The Syndicate

GTH LC is town and I am not about to egg myself.

The only main tinfoil is that LC hasn't locked himself town, which he usually does as town.

But he also subbed in.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Reading over Alison's past games this does have some similarities to Batman where she was scum

Idk how outing that is or if my brain is even accurate atm.

Watch me convince myself LC is town in three easy steps

Okay actually why was LC's EOD so bad?

They:
1. Mention they feel like neither wagon is a hit
2. Put a vote down elsewhere
3. When people pressure on them they vacillate and seem unsure.

This is vastly different from an LC who is wolf who is more likely to happily bury a villager. Especially someone like Dizzy he thinks is strong. (See Buckets D2 where he was one of the biggest voices in the "flip Mac" crowd.)

I'm getting distracted from my Alison metadive lmao.

It'd be on the upper edge of LC's wolf-game to make this game so far.

That being said, apparently the EOD was bad for LC but I'll check that and see what I think.

Bear didn't get tdomed tho so that's the major difference where things change.

Bear was town in that one.

Okay this game actually reads similar to one of the Bear games in terms of the way LC has approached it tbh.

Fun fact:
BEAR almost never does the town thing lmao.

Reading these games is a treat ngl.

Okay that's hilarious I love it.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:47 am @EnderWiggin What alt?

You said you had a gimmick account for appearing 12/24 hours into a phase and making lists?

Or did I misread that.

Now I'm going to try pulling Alison's ISO/Previous games apart.

I keep reversing my opinion on it and I really am annoyed at myself.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:44 am I finally got to backreading everything but I took Benadryl because my hands were itching for some reason, and a sleep pill and I got drowsy and I skimmed the last like...3 pages.

Mizery being Illwei throws my read on them actually because I thought she was wolfy but like....her town game is wolfy in general?

Towniest to scummiest list:

Falcon - Weird early push on the "Color/claim" stuff. Follows up and responds to others questioning him on it strongly and doesn't back down. Feels like he believes what he's saying.

Ender - He's writing in poems, what the fuck. I agree with his townread on Luck. Him talking about the Nanook stuff sheeping Gavial is towny from him since I don't think a mafia member in general would talk about the reasoning someone's doing something weird as a wolf.

Luckbox - His opening and game in total doesn't feel as stilted as I saw watching Band Mafia on MU.
Ender - He's writing in poems, what the fuck. I agree with his townread on Luck.

Gira - The spat with Alison earlier and his reactions might be coming from town!Gira.

Allison - Town leaning for now because she seems to be changing views and reads accordingly in a way that I understand.

Nanook - Him coming to Wisp's defense and the description of Wisp's game is a good look since I doubt scum would even try defending someone who might be a designated misyeet for the game if Wisp is town.

Dizzy - At the least they weren't pockety like they were in Fleabag mafia? (( I say this seeing Dizzy literally do just that to Illario last game )) I didn't totally comprehend their posts.

Tess - Hasn't done much.

DrWilgy - The only thing I remember is him wolfcasing Luck. Otherwise remember nothing else about his game.

Mizery - Awkward SOD. #371 #372 #373 #374 #375 Spends about 5 posts talking about Esooa's entrance? Then leaves.
I just saw that Mizery is actually Illwei...that might change a few things?

Wisp - SOD mostly talks about not wanting to "Towncore" anyone.
#320 weird post. A lot of complaining about "grandstanders" and gimmicks. Finally does metadives and comes up with quick conclusions.

Gavial - #216 #221 #232 #234 These were his catch up posts and there's a lot of questioning and responding to things that aren't like...game advancing?

I keep re-reading over the ISO cause I don't want to get LC wrong here and like:

This post is both out of his wolf range but also kinda weird for LC.

@Lime Coke

What was the Alt that you would join later and do reads list? I think that actually will be better for Meta in this game then the usual meta I use for your game.

I'm gonna honour Alison's wishes here. Make sure we flip between LC and Alison.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:33 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:26 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:02 am @EnderWiggin
I’m going to bed and when I wake up your vote should be off the wagon that isn’t happening today.

Why isn’t it happening?
Because we are still going to be left with chaos tomorrow until we resolve Alison.
The contrarian side of me kinda wants to leave my vote there now.
Ender, for the love of god, if you're town, stop wolf siding. Seriously it's annoying when people that are supposed to be great end up doing this shit when I'm town.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:28 am There's part of my gut that worries this is t/t
If Alison is town here, then holy shit the state of her scumhunting.

Dw I'm not actually going to do it.

I just want to lmao.

There's part of my gut that worries this is t/t

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:05 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:52 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:27 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:20 am AtE can literally be fucking townsided, holy shit, again, stop fucking lying.
AtE is literally a wolftell and I have said this both in and out of game. People who have strong arguments for their being town present those arguments; those without any arguments why they're town rely on deflection, emotion, and bluster.
Towns literally can fucking use AtE Alison. Plus I've already stated reasons I'm never a wolf here. The fact that you found a shit excuse to discredit those and NOT try to even solve me or evaluate my alignment just means that you're a wolf.
I don't care about your reasons LC
@Gira @Wisp @falcon45ca @Mizery @EnderWiggin @Luckbox Inc

Explain to me how this is town?

Alison is self-centric viewpoint and has clearly said in previous games as town that she's happy to try and prevent viewpoints from people she believes is a wolf.

Is Alison a wolf in this game? Possibly. Is that a wolf-tell for Alison? Nope.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:02 am @EnderWiggin
I’m going to bed and when I wake up your vote should be off the wagon that isn’t happening today.

Why isn’t it happening?
Because we are still going to be left with chaos tomorrow until we resolve Alison.

The contrarian side of me kinda wants to leave my vote there now.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:27 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:20 am AtE can literally be fucking townsided, holy shit, again, stop fucking lying.
AtE is literally a wolftell and I have said this both in and out of game. People who have strong arguments for their being town present those arguments; those without any arguments why they're town rely on deflection, emotion, and bluster.

Town people get emotional.

This is what I said when we were discussing being unfairly tunnelled in team mafia dvc

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:24 am Technically though it’s just gonna get worse the longer Alison is alive.

@falcon45ca
Tess ain’t gonna happen, vote Alison.

@EnderWiggin
Why are you on a non-competing wagon?
It’s Alison or LC and logically the correct choice via game state is Alison.

@DrWilgy
Why LC over Alison?

I like seeing what happens when I poke votes around.

Fall of Numenor is the most recent relevant Gav wolf game from what I can find.

I have now ISOd and Meta-checked half the players. Gira/Luckbox/Alison/DrWilgy are the big glaring holes although I HAVE ISOd Gira.

I also haven't fully ISOd Gav if I'm honest. I need to actually knuckle down and do that.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:24 am Just so you guys know AtE is well within LC's wolf range and you are extremely guillible if you fall for it

AtE has nothing to do with my read.

LC's solving process and thread interaction as wolf has a different tendency to it. He didn't do what locks himself town but I will say his reads list + early interaction being solvy is not his standard wofly mo.

Offer also open to Wisp.

Solve with me. I'm not 100% on Tess town. Walk through worlds with me. I'll pretend you're lock-clear for a while and we can work out what worlds could exist.

Luck, you're assuming I'm not still here and doing ISOs.

I missed a LOT of content, some 30ish pages of this game.

I'm running from behind and on low sleep and I'm chugging away around irl.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:10 am idk why it seems like nobody will vote Dr Wigly...
its like the only wagon that doesn't seem to stick

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Oh yeah, Falcon is kinda more town than wolf this game.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:09 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:16 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
bad Ender

Why?

If I read Tess as town, LC as town, Wisp as town, Gav as town...

I mean Dr Wilgy maybe but that implies Alison's POE is terrible.

Which might be the case.

Also weird the way these wagons are sticking. Alison may not be a wolf but there's something funky going on.

Mizery wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:10 am guys im watching twilight rn wtf is this stuff

Stalking with extra steps.

Gira definitely feels worse D2 vs D1.

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:29 pm Alison pushing LC
w/w in your mind
but Alison calling Wigly really townie, above a majority of others
is W/T to you

you confuzzel me

To be fair wolves often don't hard-defend partners.

I also reserve the right to change that read btw.

tessepia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:23 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:16 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
why

Because it makes sense and also a vote is pressure is nice.

I am building my town and Alison feels oddly outside that gamestate.

Which is usually an impression I only get when she's scum.

Re: Baby Mafia (D2) Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:22 pmowo owo

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:22 pmowo

owo

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:21 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:25 pm Wisp is probably still town?

I'll reiso them but I had them at like "Town enough to sleep on" kinda levels.
Wait when did you go from a scum read to a town read on wisp again?

Back on D1.

I posted it in thread when and why.

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:17 pm ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
i hate u all

y tho

Honestly, I feel Gav would've kept Nanook alive. Would seem a weird kill if Gav is one of the wolves.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

That kill still makes NO sense to me.

Actually who the fuck killed Nanook N1.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:06 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:58 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:57 pm what towntell

did i do

I want to know bc i am not town so it's funny
"Not being towny" is a dumb read. Anyone without PIS will show it by their thoughts and interactions. Not being Towny is an excuse for people who want to pretend getting someone wrong just because they act different isn't a bad indicator of their play. =P
"Not being towny" is pretty much how to use POE.

I mean yes. But also it gets misused a lot.

There were a few people who were traditionally slanky/hard reads that I sorted out in the old days.

And my moderately successful reads on Nanook as well.

It was the original TMI before it became TMI.

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:59 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:59 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:58 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:57 pm what towntell

did i do

I want to know bc i am not town so it's funny
"Not being towny" is a dumb read. Anyone without PIS will show it by their thoughts and interactions. Not being Towny is an excuse for people who want to pretend getting someone wrong just because they act different isn't a bad indicator of their play. =P
when did i say i was not towny
and what is PIS

Perfect Information Syndrome.

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:59 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:58 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:57 pm what towntell

did i do

I want to know bc i am not town so it's funny
"Not being towny" is a dumb read. Anyone without PIS will show it by their thoughts and interactions. Not being Towny is an excuse for people who want to pretend getting someone wrong just because they act different isn't a bad indicator of their play. =P
when did i say i was not towny

... I misread lmao. I thought you said "I'm not towny so it's funny".

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