The Syndicate

Gluck, I'll probably kill you in the morning.

Alison with the u-turn on their opinion on flash wagoning is kind of sus.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:28 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:41 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:40 pm Can you or someone tell me why Ender and Rondo are voting me?
Kind of cringe.
@EnderWiggin @RondoDimBuckle
I was trying to poke something to get a read on Dizzy and it worked.
I doubt it worked.

Either I'm right or you can enjoy me having you hard town for a while and laughing at me in scumchat.

Either way's a win for you, no?

I've called em town correctly before that, but I feel like calling someone town correctly isn't as good as actually changing that up (correctly) when they're wolf.

Last time they fooled me was a mountainous almost a year ago where they were wolf.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:27 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:26 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:25 pm Ender lock towning me is probably some bullshit. Nobody should lock town me, even when everyone should.

But I’m staying on Falcon anyway.

Good night for real
May I remind you of my last game with you where I called you wolf in the first day and was right.

Is this an argument that you're right here?

It's an argument that I've had a decent track record reading Dizzy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:41 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:40 pm Can you or someone tell me why Ender and Rondo are voting me?
Kind of cringe.
@EnderWiggin @RondoDimBuckle

I was trying to poke something to get a read on Dizzy and it worked.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:25 pm Ender lock towning me is probably some bullshit. Nobody should lock town me, even when everyone should.

But I’m staying on Falcon anyway.

Good night for real

May I remind you of my last game with you where I called you wolf in the first day and was right.

Lmao at the reasons for me.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:01 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:16 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:12 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:59 pm So I'm just disquieted. It's like wearing a set of clothes and feeling like they just don't fit properly even though they do. Keep tugging at them, because you can't take them off now you're out in public.

All you can do is tug.
How do you feel about the two people holding wagons right now; Creature and Falcon?
I thought one of them was wolf and I should stick to that tbh.

Who's your top 5 "People to yeet" rn Seanzie?
Can you explain a bit more? "one of them is wolf" isn't much of a take.

I will answer you after you give a satisfactory answer to me. You haven't yet this game, and I don't give to those who only take.
Explicitly I wolfread Falcon rn.

The "I thought one of them was wolf" was referencing that I was voting for one earlier in Falcon.

I wasn't saying "It's w/v"

I'm saying "Damn I sus Falcon."
Was it his Creature push that first got your attention, or were you suspicious of Falcon before then? Because I don't remember you reacting to my vote or Mac's vote.

My reaction to you guys voting him was me voting him too.

I was on him before I was on Seanzie.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:09 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:08 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:07 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:07 pm Dizzy is hard town btw.
Why?
#Reasons

It's what I was hoping to get when I voted them so :3
Likely story.

You were hoping for Netflix and chill. I’ve heard the rumors.

I mean yes, but not getting it doesn't mean you're wolf <3

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:07 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:07 pm Dizzy is hard town btw.
Why?

#Reasons

It's what I was hoping to get when I voted them so :3

Dizzy is hard town btw.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:05 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:04 pm I am still waking up, coffee tell time.
And here I was thinking you couldn’t be more cringe.

Yeah well, I live to surprise

I am still waking up, coffee tell time.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Just pretend anything that has to do with irl is NAI.

Don't judge people on their activity and just do reads on their content/reads/pushes and you won't be.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:36 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:53 am Hey folks, my allergies have been killing me all evening, and playing mafia doesn't feel feasible. I won't be around until near the deadline. I'll try to catch up and participate at that point.
>_> @EnderWiggin pls

If you have a reason that doesn't start with Allergies go for it.

Why are you asking me permission to push people now?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:39 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:34 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:31 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:29 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:28 pm [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine
Why Dizzy?
Are you going to believe my reasoning if I say it or are you just looking for more things to try sussing me for?
tbd
Reasoning for vote is tbd.
Do you have a reason for avoiding so many questions?
He might be seeing what I do when he votes someone I am voting. But I am voting Dizzy because he wont answer my questions

You, my good sir, think that I think about you more than I do. =P

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:38 pm @EnderWiggin Did you ever explain your original fingersplints push by the way? I think I asked you about it (well, obliquely, in that I wondered aloud why you haven't done anything with it) in the same post I asked you about your Rondo read, which you did respond to.

It was mostly to put pressure on for her return to see what she did with it.

I didn't answer well earlier because reading "Oh yeah I'm just putting pressure on" is different to the possibility someone has a scumread on you.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:34 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:31 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:29 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:28 pm [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine
Why Dizzy?
Are you going to believe my reasoning if I say it or are you just looking for more things to try sussing me for?
tbd
Reasoning for vote is tbd.
Do you have a reason for avoiding so many questions?

There are questions I either believe it better for town I don't answer (I'm doing a reaction test or something) or I don't have an answer to (Pressing buttons to see what happens) or I don't think it will help gamestate if I do answer.

Any of the above three categories are the reasons. If it fits in there I'm gonna just file it away.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:31 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:29 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:28 pm [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine
Why Dizzy?
Are you going to believe my reasoning if I say it or are you just looking for more things to try sussing me for?
tbd

Reasoning for vote is tbd.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:29 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:28 pm [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine
Why Dizzy?

Are you going to believe my reasoning if I say it or are you just looking for more things to try sussing me for?

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:20 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:09 pm GTH little-thoughts-knee-jerk sorted reads list. The big block in the middle is nullish. I did not sort within groups.

MacDougall

lucy

Boquise

fingersplints
RondoDimBuckle
Dyslexicon
NateTheLesser
JaggedJimmyJay

Creature
Alison

Marmot
DrWilgy

falcon45ca
EnderWiggin

I was hoping this would help me sort my thoughts better, and possibly give some insight into people I need to consider more. Unfortunately, I don't feel like it was as productive as I was hoping it would be. I do need to read Boq as I found myself sorting them more due to thread consensus than my own thoughts. I also should probably try to break that middle group up and narrow my south-of-null down into more clear suspects.
You think Ender is bussing his teammate?

Nah Seanzie wants to bus me so I'm letting him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:55 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:54 pm "There's a deep wolf."

"But I townread Alison, JJJ, and Mac."
Are you able to describe even at the level of tea leaves what gives you the impression that someone is deep?

Gamestate seems to be settling way too easily for my jimmies.

"There's a deep wolf."

"But I townread Alison, JJJ, and Mac."

Honestly I am townreading Alison surprisingly hard at this juncture.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:28 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:33 am The fact that I know him best and am not making a read should tell y'all to be more careful.

I actually do think Mac is right for now but Mac's confidence is very strong. I can tell you 100% that Rondo could fake this D1 as wolf, with the caveat that he hasn't wolfed in forum yet and I know he's not 100% confident he can do the same level of fakery first try.

But that being said he's very capable of it irl so benefit of the doubt means I'm wary to trust anything I'm not confident is town indicative of him.
You phrase this like Rondo has towntelled. You agree with Mac's townread of him but caution that he could fake it - which means that there is something to fake. What is the towntell you're referring to?

Rondo's exasperation at being correctly townread was a read I often used irl before he realised and learnt to fake it well enough to fool me.

The towntell Mac is using is near the same with regards to Rondo not liking Mac being able to accurately call him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:25 pm @EnderWiggin if you do town read Rondo to whatever degree, and your reasoning doesn't entirely align with the broader perspectives that you have resisted -- could you describe what you do like?

I won't say a huge amount because I do have reads on Rondo that I'd prefer he wasn't aware of.

But that being said his treatment of me/Mac aligns with what I'd expect from town!Rondo.

The other side is that Rondo currently isn't trying to influence the wagon state with his vote or position, which either means a partner isn't on the chopping block or he's town.

And given I reckon we have a wolf up there that also helps.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:15 pm @EnderWiggin Can you please say "I am human"?

LMAO.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:13 pm @EnderWiggin

My impression is that your town read of me is/has been a more solid, constant thing than your read on Rondo. You said at one point that we should be mindful that you weren’t giving a Rondo read given your experience with him. Is this impression accurate?

I guess that's the way it has been expressed in thread but no, I wouldn't say that's accurate to my current state.

But fair enough.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:37 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:16 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:15 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:31 pm *Scribbles down notes*

I believe this is wise.

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine
more words as to why?

Ender hasn't been particularly engaged in this game but he isnt full wolf range yet. Do you have anything you have to point at specifically that I have missed?
Do you wolf read me on my engagement?
I go into it later... ok, fine. GTH I have you as a sliiiight town lean. But your recent "disquieted" talk worries me a bit. But that could just be normal Ender. I came into this game not wanting to tinfoil so hard so I am trying to go against my better nature and goosefraba a bit

I was asking about your process not your current read on me lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:34 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:32 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:24 pm [VOTE: Enderwiggin] aubergine

I kind of don't believe his "something feels off" spiel. For someone who has been "tugging at his clothes", he didn't really seem to have given much recent thought to the two current wagons. I have a hard time thinking someone would have that gamestate read and not be wondering about if the current vote tally is on the right track or not.
I don't believe your questioning line so we can be even stevens.
What questioning line?
The line of questioning that lead you to believe I wasn't actually disquieted
If it helps, I didn't believe you were disquieted before I asked you anything.

See that just matches with my belief.

That being said you admitting it might be a better look than I gave credit for.

Stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill

Vote Falcon with me <3

It feels like you already had your end read on me before you started it and the whole thing was a process to make it look like you reached it organically.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:32 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:24 pm [VOTE: Enderwiggin] aubergine

I kind of don't believe his "something feels off" spiel. For someone who has been "tugging at his clothes", he didn't really seem to have given much recent thought to the two current wagons. I have a hard time thinking someone would have that gamestate read and not be wondering about if the current vote tally is on the right track or not.
I don't believe your questioning line so we can be even stevens.
What questioning line?

The line of questioning that lead you to believe I wasn't actually disquieted

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:28 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:25 pm I am at a level of disquiet and don't know how to functionally put that in thread.
more words please

words words words words words words

Falcon/Seanzie/Deep Wolf something something

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:24 pm [VOTE: Enderwiggin] aubergine

I kind of don't believe his "something feels off" spiel. For someone who has been "tugging at his clothes", he didn't really seem to have given much recent thought to the two current wagons. I have a hard time thinking someone would have that gamestate read and not be wondering about if the current vote tally is on the right track or not.

I don't believe your questioning line so we can be even stevens.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:18 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:16 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:12 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:59 pm So I'm just disquieted. It's like wearing a set of clothes and feeling like they just don't fit properly even though they do. Keep tugging at them, because you can't take them off now you're out in public.

All you can do is tug.
How do you feel about the two people holding wagons right now; Creature and Falcon?
I thought one of them was wolf and I should stick to that tbh.

Who's your top 5 "People to yeet" rn Seanzie?
Can you explain a bit more? "one of them is wolf" isn't much of a take.

I will answer you after you give a satisfactory answer to me. You haven't yet this game, and I don't give to those who only take.
Explicitly I wolfread Falcon rn.

The "I thought one of them was wolf" was referencing that I was voting for one earlier in Falcon.

I wasn't saying "It's w/v"

I'm saying "Damn I sus Falcon."
Why?

And what about creature?

Creature is a !rand read for me on D1 because he hates engaging.

The push on him mildly makes me wonder if he's just the LHF vote for today tho.

I sus Falcon because his reaction to pressure and his direction was mildly lacklustre, especially since it feels like he just LHF defaulted for his push once there was a wagon on him.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:16 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:12 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:59 pm So I'm just disquieted. It's like wearing a set of clothes and feeling like they just don't fit properly even though they do. Keep tugging at them, because you can't take them off now you're out in public.

All you can do is tug.
How do you feel about the two people holding wagons right now; Creature and Falcon?
I thought one of them was wolf and I should stick to that tbh.

Who's your top 5 "People to yeet" rn Seanzie?
Can you explain a bit more? "one of them is wolf" isn't much of a take.

I will answer you after you give a satisfactory answer to me. You haven't yet this game, and I don't give to those who only take.

Explicitly I wolfread Falcon rn.

The "I thought one of them was wolf" was referencing that I was voting for one earlier in Falcon.

I wasn't saying "It's w/v"

I'm saying "Damn I sus Falcon."

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:15 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:31 pm *Scribbles down notes*

I believe this is wise.

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine
more words as to why?

Ender hasn't been particularly engaged in this game but he isnt full wolf range yet. Do you have anything you have to point at specifically that I have missed?

Do you wolf read me on my engagement?

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I just remembered thanks to Rondo that I disliked Falcon's Creature push.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:12 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:59 pm So I'm just disquieted. It's like wearing a set of clothes and feeling like they just don't fit properly even though they do. Keep tugging at them, because you can't take them off now you're out in public.

All you can do is tug.
How do you feel about the two people holding wagons right now; Creature and Falcon?

I thought one of them was wolf and I should stick to that tbh.

Who's your top 5 "People to yeet" rn Seanzie?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:30 pm EnderWiggin ISO

Ender has been a read in flux for me, so I wanted to take a closer look. Click spoiler for wall.

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EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:15 pm I refuse to scumhunt on D0 so enjoy me sitting around memeing and pocketing Rondo

Shrug. Sometimes I feel this way about Day 0 (hunting is apart from the original purpose of Day 0, but people do it anyway), so I don't really hold this against Ender as long as things kick into gear by Day 1. I'm just marking it here for the sake of context.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:31 pm Day 0 has been a pleasant period of introductions and light reading. That’s healthy. Day 1 fast approaches, however, and I would love to solve the game as expediently as possible.

General query to everyone in the thread: how do you feel when I label lucy, Boq, and Seanzie town? Who else should I label town? We need seven, mmkay.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:36 pm I don't entirely like it.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:36 pm Because I think one specifically of that list is wolf

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:37 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:37 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:36 pm Because I think one specifically of that list is wolf
speak now or forever hold your peace
Can I hold it softly or just like, really hug it hard?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:38 pm I am absolutely fascinated, EnderWiggin. Oh my god. My juices are flowing. I'm sure you'll expand when you're ready in the near future.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:40 pm ...

And that reaction alone makes me half think JJJ is wolf and knows he has a partner in that list.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:43 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:40 pm ...

And that reaction alone makes me half think JJJ is wolf and knows he has a partner in that list.
Tell me more. When JJJ was "extra" (see, gang, I am not old, I used the language of the youths), what inspired this perspective?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:43 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:40 pm ...

And that reaction alone makes me half think JJJ is wolf and knows he has a partner in that list.
Tell me more. When JJJ was "extra" (see, gang, I am not old, I used the language of the youths), what inspired this perspective?
Wolves, albeit usually not ones of your caliber, have tended to over-exaggerate when someone pinpoints a partner.

That being said, the reason I said "Half" is because I half would expect you to be too experienced to fall for a simpler ploy like that, and you read as mildly sarcastic in your response to me.

But I didn't want to give you that out if you hadn't.

I extracted this full series of posts, as they serve as the first especially game-relevant content Ender had to offer. My initial reaction to this was a positive one. I thought Ender's suggested that I seemed sarcastic read authentically (and I can see how my standard goofball posting can come off as sarcasm). His replies became a bit more flippant, which fits a perception of being subjected to sarcasm. Perhaps that ought to be tempered, because authentically perceiving sarcasm doesn't necessarily preclude the mafia alignment.

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EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:49 pm Hey Nate.

Can I get you to take a look at JJJ's three clears and gimme your opinion on them?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:06 pm What do you like about Boq or Lucy specifically? Is Seanzie slipping your radar or you just don't think his posts are AI?

A little inquisitiveness never hurt. It led to meaningful content from Nate so that's fine.

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EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:17 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:07 pm I have turned into one of those "But how do you really feel" players.

How.
How we feel is important, Ender. Never be afraid to ask how we feel.
How sweet.

But tbh I've already been called out for it:
I don't actually sus your list, I just wanted to see what happened if I insinuated I did.

I think I mostly like Boq/JJJ a s my little town.

I'm wary of trusting Lucy because tone doesn't do a lot for me from chattier players and I don't think she'll struggle with that, my reservation is held until I see her talk about reads.

Falcon is rand but more rand!town so I'll agree with that.

I hold my thoughts on Seanzie.

Rondo is mildly in his townsphere but that's tentative and early so don't trust it.

The previous exchange being relegated to "reaction test" is a bit of a wet fish. The rest of this post is a bit more important to me though for a reason I will share shortly.

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EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:37 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:21 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:19 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:18 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:11 pm @RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks
It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy
Why would someone attacking you make you happy?
Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Townie schadenfreude, perhaps.jpeg tbh
It is entirely NAI for Rondo. Rondo is best read on how he positions his wagons and what sus he pushes rather than the trolling he does.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:40 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:31 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:48 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:45 pm I’m a little concerned about the potential for toxicity. We should avoid using language like “X hates the way I play”. If you have that perception, @RondoDimBuckle, we can and should talk about it. Let’s just be mindful please and thank you
yeah this message is 100% ai indicative, if a stands for age
no way, a mod is a mod, wolf or not
JJJ's approach sorta mirrors his approach in the game I played with him on MU though tbh
Jay is absolutely able to replicate his town-leader-yness as wolf. While his content or detail mileage might vary, I find it hard to believe that Jay can be read on "Is he approaching game as a 'make town collaborate' thing?" given that's almost his trademark from all that people have told me in the past.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:50 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:49 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:40 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:31 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:48 pm

no way, a mod is a mod, wolf or not
JJJ's approach sorta mirrors his approach in the game I played with him on MU though tbh
Jay is absolutely able to replicate his town-leader-yness as wolf. While his content or detail mileage might vary, I find it hard to believe that Jay can be read on "Is he approaching game as a 'make town collaborate' thing?" given that's almost his trademark from all that people have told me in the past.
That's fair tbh
JJJ is a null for me right now tbh
I have him as firmly town fwiw.
I want to be clear:
I also have JJJ as town.

I was just saying that "Is he town-leadering" isn't a good approach.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:33 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:17 am The way I see this game is fairly simple.

Mac and JJJ are both playing to their obvious town power town selves. I think they are very likely just town but even if they are I suspect they are townsiding for now because they are bringing down a lot of unnecessary bad attention if they shove blatantly bad reads down our throat here. So either way their reads are probably going to be good D1.

I am likely going to prioritize hammering on the reads we have in our Venn diagram overlap as those are the most likely to be hits. If we don't get pelts after a bit it will be obvious something is rotten.

As mentioned earlier, I find Boquise, Wilgy and Lucy townie in addition to JJJ and Mac. I am hands off Rondo for now in deference to Mac's read. Nate feels like someone a little out of their depth but trying to do the best he can to be part of the solving which I think is a pretty okay place to be in.

Seanzie has been ~fine. He started off a little weaker than usual but his ISO of me was decent. I wouldn't put him in my town squad but I don't really have interest in a Seanzie exe today.

I interpreted Ender's cryptic approach to Seanzie earlier as a way to fish for reactions with him like he did with JJJ but he hasn't really followed through on that promise which leaves me wondering why he did it. I am also unnerved by how hands-off he is with Rondo, who he knows well and even gave advice on how to read. It's weird that me and Mac have a stronger read on Rondo than the guy who knows him the best.

Loosely, I have a POE pool of Falcon, Creature and Ender. The afks remain null, maybe bump Dizzy a bit higher since he is more shameless about lurking when he is town and feels obligated to try a bit harder as scum.
The fact that I know him best and am not making a read should tell y'all to be more careful.

I actually do think Mac is right for now but Mac's confidence is very strong. I can tell you 100% that Rondo could fake this D1 as wolf, with the caveat that he hasn't wolfed in forum yet and I know he's not 100% confident he can do the same level of fakery first try.

But that being said he's very capable of it irl so benefit of the doubt means I'm wary to trust anything I'm not confident is town indicative of him.

These are the posts that I think caused the initial dissonance leading eventually to me reviewing this ISO in the first place. There's a theme here: Rondo and I are both receiving town reads, sometimes of high confidence, from various sources -- and Ender has been inclined to resist that confidence. I have a little concern that this may reflect a case of "trying to keep the box open", so to speak, and that is something I have observed from mafia with decent frequency over the last couple of years. As my own game has shifted more and more in the direction of pure POE and I have found success in that journey, the necessary mafia resistance is to stall the formation of "town cores".

I will acknowledge that Ender has provided a few town reads himself, however, including on me. That's what I referenced previously. So in this case, if my concern is valid, it would be more centered on Ender's resistance to Rondo town reads.

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Conclusion

This at least allows me to express what's in my head with respect to Ender. I don't think this ISO looks "bad" holistically, but there are some things here worth discussing that Ender can speak of as he desires. If I could summarize my perspective: Ender is doing things and the things are okay. The things don't quite inspire the confidence for me that some others on the roster have inspired to this point.

Hey Jay, why do you emphasise the townread on you as being a mitigating factor when I also have expressed a townread on Rondo?

Why do you think that my resistance to you is offset by that townread when it doesn't do the same for Rondo?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:00 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:39 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:05 am If I had to provide a GTH sorting of the game by a seven-player POE, this is about where I'd fall right now:

Alison
Boquise
lucy
MacDougall
RondoDimBuckle
Seanzie
NateTheLesser

---[POE LINE]---

Creature
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
falcon45ca
fingersplints
Marmot

Names within groups aren't ordered. Not every name above the line is a confident one (e.g., Nate is an undeveloped read, but I give him the gut read nod). EnderWiggin is another challenge that I could stand to develop with an ISO.
I think Nate sounds similar to his G1 play tbh
We pretty much have the same poe!
Wait, JJJ why am I town?

Why is nate town?

Why is Ender POE?

Hey Rondo.

Why shouldn't I be POE?

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:59 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:56 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:51 pm why do you have that feeling of disquiet? @EnderWiggin
It's like...

Gamestate feels like something's off with it.

But I have townreads on a chunk of the more active people.

But it doesn't feel like wolves are being boxed in right now.

D1 gamestate reads are bad, I know, but I just feel like I'm missing something and idk who I'm missing.
what did you expect with such a playlist, however the implications of this message is preventing a town core from being made

Honestly you should never let another player's wishy-washyness affect your ability to make or read a towncore.

It's a collaborative effort between the players in it, not the players outside.

And in this game I am very much a "Outside the towncore" box because I'm not finding a comfortable set.

So I'm just disquieted. It's like wearing a set of clothes and feeling like they just don't fit properly even though they do. Keep tugging at them, because you can't take them off now you're out in public.

All you can do is tug.

And yes I'm aware I was fingering him for sus before.

I feel like some of the townreads being thrown around are weird/weak for people who should be known to be more difficult to read and idk if I'm just bad at reading them or I'm legit just seeing shrug reads.

But it's not Mac, before you say. I have a really dumb reason to think he's town but it's a reason I legit believe sooooo I can only get burned on it.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:51 pm why do you have that feeling of disquiet? @EnderWiggin

It's like...

Gamestate feels like something's off with it.

But I have townreads on a chunk of the more active people.

But it doesn't feel like wolves are being boxed in right now.

D1 gamestate reads are bad, I know, but I just feel like I'm missing something and idk who I'm missing.

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