The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:04 pm How was Gavial anti-town? He was right that HK isn't town.

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:00 pm So here are my initial thoughts and reads:

Finding the vibe here very different to MU. If MU is like afternoon tea at Claridge’s, this place is like a pool bar coming up to closing time

WIML – Feels pretty towny as usual (although he is generally towny). Likely to resolve later on
Esooa slot – Lean town. Esooa gets more wound up when she is town
Alison – getting good vibes so far (although I haven’t seen her wolf yet)

HK – 3p as claimed

Ender – several of his posts have pinged me but I am not quite sure enough to scum read yet

Falcon – early town PR claiming is anti-town
Gavial slot – his behaviour was massively anti-town
Nanook – His claimed PR sounds incredibly suss to me (do day cops even exist?) Feels like a good way to get a cheap town read

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:48 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:37 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:15 pm My role is a one shot day cop I targeted hk and it said he was town, I asked and was told I'd be informed if he was 3p so

Let's flip Nanook to confirm?

I'm also a death miller

See Syn post 1: This game is not bastard. There are no elements that lie to the players. There is no godfather, miller, insanifying, or alignment shifting.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:32 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:14 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:01 am Feels like Long Con had just consigned himself to just getting elimned at some point during the game and I want to call that towny.

Going to read the meta they linked when I get chance.

LC/Wiml team?

Well, no, but... when did I do that anyway? I missed that post from Wiml earlier. I'm not consigned to getting elimned.

Don Wurzeloni wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:28 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:31 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:04 am I think it's notable how ender has shied away from saying things that reflect a town mindset

"ender caring about poking inactives is town indicative"

"nope it's nai"

"what did you hope to rand and how is it?

"nothing but I got wolf"

or whatever.

idk what to say about it but it's notable. The "I randed wolf" thing I dislike because it's easier for wolves to say that, but at the same time it'd be pretty simple and probably beneficial enough for wolf ender to answer along the lines of "I wanted town and I'm very glad I am," similarly with the it'd be easy and beneficial enough to not say that him caring about inactives is nai, which he's done at least 3 times now

I mean, I'd be a little egotistical to say none of that is AI ever for me.

But I'll say that my previous meta as town was very open to making silly jokes. I actually got picked off as PR a few times because I had a bad habit of NOT being jokey when PR.

That being said I'm also 6 years from my last game of mafia so who knows how terrible I've gotten at pretending to be town now.

I know Ender is generally being town read and is posting a lot but this post pinged the hell out of me: "pretending to be town"

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:21 pm

Ydrasse wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:16 pm hello everyone! nice to meet you all!

i’ll be catching up here soon.

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:47 am Esooa feels performative in her reaction to Gavial tbh

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:46 am Okay duskfall is mafia

Ender is town for secret reasons

[VOTE: duskfall] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:13 am

Herm wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:08 am I'm open to the idea of HK and Falcon being scumbuddies tbh.

First time playing with them though.

Herm wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:26 am Squeezing the afk players for now until HK and Falcon reappears!!!

Herm wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:29 am I was going to vote Falcon, but changed my mind in the middle of posting.

I would like to see more game thoughts from him before I decide if I want to vote him or not.

Herm wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:50 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:29 am

Herm wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:29 am I was going to vote Falcon, but changed my mind in the middle of posting.

I would like to see more game thoughts from him before I decide if I want to vote him or not.

Can you explain what made you scumread falcon please?

Unvoted and didn't move it anywhere after being pressured.

It's a very soft scumread. I waffle back and forth on him since he claimed out of nowhere.

Attributing the HK/Falcon pairing that other players have seen to my suspool.

Herm wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:24 am

Glavial wrote:Ok good chance glavial is incorrect townie I think

Glav buddy, from a scale of 1 to 100, how certain are you that HK and Falcon are scumbuddies lol?

Whole lot of pageantry here w/o anything real happening no genuine pressure.


My fav post is the "adding HK/Falc that others have paired into suspool"...the other player is only Gav. There's something Trump-esque about his posts, or am I the only one seeing that?

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:01 am Feels like Long Con had just consigned himself to just getting elimned at some point during the game and I want to call that towny.

Going to read the meta they linked when I get chance.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:49 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:47 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:45 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:44 am If we're talking about unproductive then I think spending 5000 words arguing about the definition of possible is pretty unproductive.

I have no concerns about Ender, he came in after 6 years of not playing mafia and immediately proceeded to be one of the highest volume solvers in the thread.

I really don't think it's that hard to not get rusty in mafia so idk about factoring that in. It sounds like you're considering him to be new

I fully expect to have to patch holes in my scumhunting quality and my ability to hide things.

maybe I'm just such a conniving bitch that my daily life includes enough wolfing to not get rusty

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:48 am tbh if we want to talk about useless things what's about this

"We can only trust the truth. Everything else is a lie."

it's not true because lying is intentional and sometimes people can unwittingly say false things

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:45 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:44 am If we're talking about unproductive then I think spending 5000 words arguing about the definition of possible is pretty unproductive.

I have no concerns about Ender, he came in after 6 years of not playing mafia and immediately proceeded to be one of the highest volume solvers in the thread.

I really don't think it's that hard to not get rusty in mafia so idk about factoring that in. It sounds like you're considering him to be new

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:44 am If we're talking about unproductive then I think spending 5000 words arguing about the definition of possible is pretty unproductive.

I have no concerns about Ender, he came in after 6 years of not playing mafia and immediately proceeded to be one of the highest volume solvers in the thread.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:34 am

It wasn't a literal is it possible, it was a do you think this situation is likely, I believe the context of me asking for someone's opinion on it makes it clear I wasn't actually asking is this literally possible in any world

Unless I'm the biggest idiot in the world (possibly) I obviously knew this was possible, therefore you must apply context to what I actually mean in this instance. As far as I can tell the only person who actually didn't understand what I meant was you, consideirng esooa or no one else so far has even agreed with you or mentioned something similar to what you are saying now. Esooa went down the cool not bothered to interact route.

The problem here isn't my question, it's that you appear to take everything absolutely literally which is ok but displays a general lack of comprehension in my opinion. Not trying to be toxic about it but you're digging deeper so it forces me to point it out atp. When speaking human communication often has incidences where what someone says literal and the clear intention are different, it is up to the reciever to grasp what is intended relevant to the context and respond. Clearly you could not do this here and to be honest that a big load of not my problem. Unless you vote me. That would be my problem. Dont vote me please.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:04 am I think it's notable how ender has shied away from saying things that reflect a town mindset

"ender caring about poking inactives is town indicative"

"nope it's nai"

"what did you hope to rand and how is it?

"nothing but I got wolf"

or whatever.

idk what to say about it but it's notable. The "I randed wolf" thing I dislike because it's easier for wolves to say that, but at the same time it'd be pretty simple and probably beneficial enough for wolf ender to answer along the lines of "I wanted town and I'm very glad I am," similarly with the it'd be easy and beneficial enough to not say that him caring about inactives is nai, which he's done at least 3 times now

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:26 am

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:24 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:23 am

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:23 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:19 am

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:16 am I will use this space to say esooas posting is very very bad and their scum equity is rising

Thank you for listening

but how mad are you

I can assure you I won't be the mad one at end game

so you admit to being mad

Are we playing a good natured game of mafia or starting a cat fight I'm confused get on with the game friend no need to make it personal

I'm saying that to discredit your read because I'm a wolf

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:09 am I think most my concerns with ender are actually not important enough to mean anything outside of worry tbh. I think he's at worst=rand town. Possibly more just because of his depth of engagement in reads. However he's supposedly good and a largely unknown quantity so yeah

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:06 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:58 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:16 am duskfall is probably town for being stubborn about pushing his reads and interrogating those who believe otherwise

I have a feel that I disagree with this but don't have anything solid against Duskfall.

Is it just because he aggressively defended his question on Esooa when I attacked it?

I actually found your attack on it weird, not scummy just a weird form of attack that was kind of unwarranted still

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:06 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:58 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:16 am duskfall is probably town for being stubborn about pushing his reads and interrogating those who believe otherwise

I have a feel that I disagree with this but don't have anything solid against Duskfall.

Is it just because he aggressively defended his question on Esooa when I attacked it?

don't you already have an explained reason you didn't like it. What happened to that

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:11 am if it matters the town read on me I dislike the second most is actually enders. His reasons were fine but not something I found to be justified under any real scrutiny. Though that's sometimes just how early game reads go

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:13 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:23 am Wrt my hk read:

It's mostly for meta/tone reasons. I've been looking for another HK wolf game to compare it to but you can't find them through his MU account for whatever reason.

Gavial is obvious town and HK is pushing him for bad reasons.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:16 am duskfall is probably town for being stubborn about pushing his reads and interrogating those who believe otherwise

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:16 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:14 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:28 am being annoyed at creature is NAI because I get annoyed at stuff creature does regardless of my alignment. I still want townies to play even if I'm mafia. I'm saying why I feel that way because it probably applies to Ender too

I don't, I feel warm and happy inside when townies troll the game and I am wolf.

I think ender poking inactives so often the way he does indicates he feels differently regardless of alignment

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:53 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:18 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:17 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:15 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:14 am I'm not confident HK is town but I don't like his wagon and I certainly wouldn't go there today.

Who would you go for?

ATM? Herm.

I feel like you've already answered this, but if you haven't, gib reasons plas

I think his entrance was really awkward (particularly the "what kind of scum are you?" question as well as "Damn son!"). Feels like he's trying way too hard to try to fit in and failing (which was why I made my original vote since I never explained it at the time).

I also don't like his reaction to my vote. Given that myself and Herm have never spoken or interacted at all before this game / my vote on Herm, the fact that Herm doesn't ask me for any sort of clarification on my vote but immediately says that I'm wilding (I'm not quote sure what he means here but I'm assuming it means that my vote is crazy) but not any sort of scumread on me if it's a bad vote feels really ingenuine to me (and I'm pretty sure this TMIs me town if Herm is a wolf) and then the insistence that I would come round on him (again, despite never having interacted with me before this exchange - I had barely posted at this point either and could be any random) doesn't feel like a genuine thought process at all.

Also something I thought was interesting from Herm's reaction was that he seemed to have implicitly known my vote on him was serious without any sort of explanation (and overreacted)? This is weak but it makes me feel like Herm is already feeling guilty/paranoid about posts they've made (which fits my narrative of struggling to fit in as a wolf) and reacted weirdly as a result?

Not as much to say on his later posts but a lot of of them (almost all of the earlier ones) are awkward-feeling fluff, questions that don't really go anywhere or just commentary. I also think that having his only scumreads being pretty much "because Gavial said so" is nagl (especially because I might be missing this but I don't think Herm actually outed a TR on Gavial anywhere?).

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:17 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:15 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:14 am I'm not confident HK is town but I don't like his wagon and I certainly wouldn't go there today.

Who would you go for?

ATM? Herm.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:16 am Right now the second best wagon is on a slot with 3 posts that has done nothing AI.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:14 am I'm not confident HK is town but I don't like his wagon and I certainly wouldn't go there today.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:07 am
It really isn't lmao and even if was, highlighting it's a trap is better than nothing and would've been townier than avoiding any type of conversation or conflict outside their own terms

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:08 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:07 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:04 am Does anybody know of a HK wolf game where he came into the thread and actually engaged with fluffposting?

beezelbub the beningn on the syndicate

Thanks! Unfortunately it's probably not AI then.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:01 am
I was clearly looking for more lmao, town shouldn't give the absolute minimum because they are trying to be constructive and develop the conversation/content not shut it down with as minimal answer as they can get away with no?

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:56 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:40 amyes

You also said the opposite is possible?

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:53 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:51 am

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:46 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:40 amyes

I can't remember much of what you said from read through, which do you think is more likely and why?

gav town

Can I get a bit more, you're being very non committal here and it's pinging me a lot

If Gav is town that's fine but to say oh well Gav is town going after scum BUT it could also be the opposite is like ?? Unless you have VERY good reasoning that I can't forsee. You're just clearing not committing to a read and laying out how your townreads can be scum?

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:41 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:40 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:29 pm Hey look at me, getting involved in conversations that started before I woke up.

If I can do it, you can.

Give me a read. I don't care if it's as weak as a nerd on first gym day.

I think this post expresses genuine annoyance at Creature's behavior, which is townie.

Not to ruin people townreading me, but I genuinely wasn't annoyed there. Just poking their response back at them.

I double down on town read (unlike Alison apparently oopsie its my read now)