The Syndicate

I let my confidence on meta blind me. That's a feels bad.

Good job breaking your meta LC.

Now I have to catch you next time to prove to myself I can still read you.

Idk if there's lock votes or a hammer tomorrow but don't snap vote. It's a bad meme.

[VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

I'm sorry Esooa. Turns out it was a really dumb tunnel.

In the effort to be impartial I'll review LC again, but I'm pretty sure he's in town meta.

I'm ngl I feel like people are more emotively invested in this game than I am.

Wait no it was final 10m. I'm bad with time.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:10 am I literally offered to self and if your fucking vote was even on me ender I would have been but you didn't vote your wolf read so you have no right to say anything about anything tbh unless you're a wolf

I stayed on you until final 5m.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:08 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:06 am apparently not realizing that a large amount of irl days into a game people would know the rules of the game is wolfy

you are here voting wilgy for no reason other than because he voted Alison while not believing it's him and LC just didn't really do anything and Alison didn't even fucking vote

wilgy and I were the only people who actually showed up and voted our wolf reads

Wilgy is the 2nd wolf if you're actually green for me.

That being said, not knowing the rules is my bad. Absolutely should've read it instead of assuming at game start.

but you don't believe I'm town

so no you didn't vote your wolf rea

It Randing to Wilgy > Alison getting sniped by my two wolf reads.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:07 am continue to conf bias though

True.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:06 am apparently not realizing that a large amount of irl days into a game people would know the rules of the game is wolfy

you are here voting wilgy for no reason other than because he voted Alison while not believing it's him and LC just didn't really do anything and Alison didn't even fucking vote

wilgy and I were the only people who actually showed up and voted our wolf reads

Wilgy is the 2nd wolf if you're actually green for me.

That being said, not knowing the rules is my bad. Absolutely should've read it instead of assuming at game start.

Esooa knowing this and not changing back to Wilgy is kinda anti-town. =P

... Ties are not kills?

Well fuck me.

I pinged him in this thread, yes.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:56 pm Wait what the hell is going on?

I wanted to know that.

Lol no. I will vote you if you do that.

Inb4 Alison is the wolf and we're punking ourselves.

Alison has the choice and isn't even here.

Nihilistic mafia reading style. =P

@Alison
@Lime Coke

You guys around?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:42 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:42 pm How is Mac Kill a Wilgy shot? Out of curiosity.

I'm not trying to convince you lol

I wanted to hear your reason for calling that but eh.

How is Mac Kill a Wilgy shot? Out of curiosity.

I never kill Mac after convincing him that I'm town after he's been condemning me for days. Wasted effort.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:39 pm ender needs to be a wolf or else he's played this game unlike any town ever should is my opinion

Sounds like me.

The fact that it's just us at EOD rn is sad.

You know what, I kinda agree. I just wanted to press buttons.

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

[VOTE: Dr Wilgy] aubergine

I think the current voting has been frozen too long

Inb4 only 3 votes in F5

I'm not saying pressure eased off because of a teammate. I'm saying pressure eased off and it seemed like your effort dipped after you didn't have to defend yourself.

Lemme know if you have time to do the ISO or take a look at me vs Esooa.

Cause I'm not gonna lie, the main doubt I have with my Esooa tunnel is how when the pressure eased off you, your activity/intensity dropped like a stone.

Wilgy, did you ever finish my ISO?

Other than the supposed "Burying of LB", is there anything else you have on Esooa being town? (Look Esooa, I'm solving you with other people)

@Alison

To me it looks more like Wilgy's takes in Akemi Homura mafia are surface levels and designed to build around discussion, where his depth in this game makes me think he's more involved. It's also different from Witcher where he was town but the drive certainly isn't bad.

I'm gonna go check that Wilgy game that Alison mentioned now.

Taking a moment for what-about-isms...

If you're willing to assume that we're just town smashing heads right now because I'm being lazy and think I'm way smarter than I actually am:

Would you agree that Wilgy is the only other option or do you think one of LC/Alison might not be town?

I actually don't disagree entirely on that. Usually, I like to play much more open-book in terms of my reads but haven't had the energy for that.

Also my whole pointing at Esooa has been really light and sketchy because I've been busy/lazy lmao. Which probably doesn't help if she is actually town and I'm just wrong.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:59 am Ender says "he can't read me"

He is using one singular method then to try to

He's not trying to solve me with other people... Mac, Alison, LC, anyone. He apparently can't read me, but is singularly focused on pushing the person he "can't read"

The only time Ender ever let up on this was when I was pushing mischops that he needed

He is not doing really any solving and he's not trying to make sense of his world view

At the *very minimum,* even if he uses it to wolf read me, I'd expect him to have some thoughts about the Mac kill

But he literally said nothing. He just came into thread to continue along the same path he has for literal days. He isn't trying to solve the game

I have had a bad record of reading you. That's not the same as "Can't read" but anyway.

And I'm not using one method. My read comes from:
How you treat partners. How Luckbox treats partners. The gamestate. My reads on the other 3 slots.

I have repeatedly reached out to people about their reads and thoughts on gamestate. I'm not going to tell people to give me a conclusion to come to about another slot as that just... isn't how I've ever operated. Remember when we were working together in Buckets? I asked a lot about your reads but I also never took your reads as fact over mine.

I haven't asked about your slot as it's been fairly obvious what other people think about your slot. People haven't exactly avoided your slot.

Also "Not solving" is because I'm moderately sure I've solved the game.

Mac kill is irrelevant. He was instant-town as soon as wolves hit iaafr. Idk if the rest of town or wolves realised that but that's how it works. What am I supposed to say about it? "Welp, Mac dead now." "I guess my soon-to-be town brother for life died on me."

If you think I kill Mac after I've finally fought through his tunnel to make him swap his read on me that's just lol.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:57 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:47 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:44 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:33 am Ender you do realize that with the way you're playing this game your read on me is about as meaningless as it can be because there's no given reasons I couldn't do what I've done as town, and with the way you treat it approaching lylo you're giving me one answer which is killing you (which I can very easily be successful in as either alignment)

I know.

Tbh I wasn't intending to play any mafia due to irl until after Christmas so this effort is pretty good for me.

I'm not saying that to call the read bad

Just pointing out your method of reading me is prone to being wrong, the rate of that, I don't know or care, but the times that it is wrong you leave yourself completely no outs--and also if that's not compelling there's a bit of a threat in there which is that you doing this will lead to you being exed which is never pro wincon

I posted this

Ender ignored it

He didn't even reply

So okay, I guess he's chosen to die

I'm never unvoting him

I'm never going to respond to threatening responses to my read?

"If you keep reading me this way without casing me I'll just push you until you die no matter your alignment" is a great response to my push.

That being said, my tunnel hasn't entirely been great, probably, as I've kinda just sat inside it 70-80% of the game so far.

If LC or Alison is wolf this is the point I'm starting to apply the clownpaint.

I lie, I would have had the clownpaint already on for SOD.

Also I just think you're towny in the end after I tried to turbo you SOD1

If it's not her then fmpov it has to be Wilgy but that's more just moving up in my list of "People who are townish" rather than actual reasons.

Because if LC is wolf then he's managed to buck the meta I've pinned him down with which would be impressive and cool.

And if it's you then LB managed to fully anti-spew like a god.

Also this plays into Esooa's wolfplay (Other than maybe the ragequit she did just before but idk.)

The other 30% is my gut which wavers around every 24 hrs.

As much as I'm projecting confidence, though, I am not completely sure in this push. This is like 10% I want my D1 guess to be right, 20% Don't want to pay emotive plays, 40% I think it's her due to how Luckbox traditionally treats partners. (He susses them but backs off from hard-pushing them traditionally. Check out how his EOD D1 involves him having Esooa in his bottom 3 POE and then also trying to tell people not to vote her.)

Comparatively, LC and you both get much more points for actually being the votes that turned LB into a random push to a wagon that stuck.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:19 pm Can you summarize the Esooa case? FMPOV she buried LB and got the Mac seal of approval for most of the game. The only person who scumread her was Kami and Kami TRed LB so I dunno if she can be trusted. I read Esooa by results a lot and a 50% pelt rate isn't too bad for her.

Buried LB?

She voted him on D2 with a "I guess LB can die", questioned why Kami townread him, and then as soon as it became an actual wagon swapped off to Mac. Then when LB picked up steam there was like a "I guess he's doing nothing so should die over other people."

Despite being the first to vote him I can't remember her tangibly adding anything to the case.

Now, I could be wrong and there could be a bit I missed where she actually pushed him. But if my memory is right idk why she gets any points for being on the wagon.

Happy Birthday.

What's the problem with what's going on?

Tbh same.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:35 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:55 pm [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

Free wolf pelts. Free wolf pelts.

based on your lazy super shitty tunnel on someone you're pretending is impossible to read

Nah. Not impossible. I've just had a bad time of it in the past.

I have had a very good rate on LC (I should probably check this to make sure I'm not wrecking myself but I'm also pretty sure he's town rn.)

A decent rate on Alison.

Wilgy is the one I'm a bit iffy about my ability to read them which is why I'm gonna double-check Alison's stuff first.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:33 pm he's also had the same reads since day 1

I mean, returned to them multiple times after trying other options but yeah, I'll admit, this was my EOD 1 reads and I'll stick to em.