The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:52 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:47 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:42 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:34 am Fext/LC were T/T with some of the tunneliest/loudest players on the game pushing them. We know this for a fact.

Mafia doesn't sit there and join in the tunnel. Mafia just drops a townread on Fext that's weak enough it won't change the outcome of the day, sit on the counterwagon, and roll in free towncred then gets town to sleepwalk on the players pushing Fext for being wrong once. If I die the game is almost certainly lost and all mafia has to do is allow town to murder each other.

This is exactly how NAA has been playing, and he's jumped straight to the "kill everyone on Fext's wagon because they're just such good players they can never be wrong on a single player ever" line the moment D2 opens.
"some of the tunneliest/loudest players on the game pushing them"???????? there is exactly one person that fits that description. Use my name please. Do not pretend like this was an effort of the group. I own up to yesterday, and I know I am obvtown because of it, granted for all the wrong reasons, but meh, still.

How about the mafia that were scumreading Fext before the tunneliest/loudest player started strongly strongly pushing for Fext's elim? Do they backtrack or go along with it?
Me. You. Mac.

Three loud, tunnelly players. All pushing Fext, until the point Mac recanted the scumread.

As I pointed out earlier, I think they either backtrack completely and flip to weakly shielding Fext for cred (which is pretty much what I think NAA is doing here), or they go along with it and blame a scapegoat. I don't think they do what Mac did, which is adopt some weird middle ground stance where they townread someone they want dead but don't gain any towncred for it.
Oh wolfy wolfy Alison...

1. Mac did not tunnel Fext, Mac tried so soooo soooooo hard to back off.

2. In what world am I supposed to believe the proud Alison describes herself as tunnelly unless she feels caught?

nah nah nah nah nah nah nah

sorry nah

I mean on D1 she said "Alison, mac, Seanzie all scum reading someone can't be wrong"

D2: "Everyone is wrong sometimes, scum had TMI"

My guess is Lime Coke also must have had TMI on Fext.

Football or futbol?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:34 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am you asked one question and you literally disqualified the only logical argument I can make against yours for an arbitrary reason?

i have no other answer for you.
Wait, wtf, what is "arbitrary" about the fact that you had done the same shit? That is not arbitrary at all.
Yours is honestly worse because I had to beg Creature to vote Fext. You just went along with it even though clearly you were townreading them.

Creature was never voting Alison.

Yeah, people kill their town reads... Well, just Mac

@MacDougall voted 4 socky.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:13 am From my perspective even if Alison is mafia, it's still probably just Creature.

Right, but from your perspective even if it's creature its probably Alison, yeah?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:09 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:04 am Alison has articulated valid reasons to do things she has. Creature has ... not.
The difference?

Expectations.
I just towned with Creature and he was near top town in content and solving and it was in a mash. Your expectations of him are too low.

I'm not setting the bar too low, I'm not saying that Creature can't play good mafia, I'm saying the low end of their town game is... Well this. (Though they could very well be mafia here)

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:09 am But yeah, I'm going to use examples that don't play on site because I don't want to offend anyone.

If Chesskid3 is wrong D1 on someone he reads generally reads well... Worse on 2 players, I would instantly kill him. GTacc could get an ape to play for him and I would still kill Chesskid3 over GTacc.

Btw I love you guys and I hope we get a game on 451 sometime.

But yeah, I'm going to use examples that don't play on site because I don't want to offend anyone.

If Chesskid3 is wrong D1 on someone he reads generally reads well... Worse on 2 players, I would instantly kill him. GTacc could get an ape to play for him and I would still kill Chesskid3 over GTacc.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:06 amSpiderverse

K

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:05 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:03 am Hey, I think I have the best record among newcomers right? #sockys you can trust that I will legitimately reevaluate you when the time comes if you vote Alison.
I expect your MVP and best town and best scum vote regardless of what occurs here sir.

Uh I think I did best town, but I have votes left for MVP and best scum. Which game should I put you for best scum?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:04 am Alison has articulated valid reasons to do things she has. Creature has ... not.

The difference?

Expectations.

Hey, I think I have the best record among newcomers right? #sockys you can trust that I will legitimately reevaluate you when the time comes if you vote Alison.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:02 am Sometimes. Then sometimes you're NPC.

NPC is better than me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:00 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:58 pm Also, @MacDougall I said kill Alison, mac, creature.

You said:

Falcon town
Wilgy town
Seanzie town
NAA town

Which read has wavered or insincere?
none?

Ok, so we're in agreement. Why you throwing a fit about my reads?

Also, @MacDougall I said kill Alison, mac, creature.

You said:

Falcon town
Wilgy town
Seanzie town
NAA town

Which read has wavered or insincere?

I'm not even pushing you mac, so if you're town, let me know once you've realized I'm right and we can talk.

If we kill creature today, one bad vote loses the game

I'd rather kill outed scum today.

Speed run Alison & Mac, I bet the game ends... Alison due to day 1 is just outed and Mac is just lolcat hoping we kill creature to give them a shot where they convince either Wilgy or Falcon to vote me or you (Seanzie).

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:28 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:25 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:18 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:33 pm

Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.
You're both making me think Creature is town.
I haven't said a single thing about Creature and legit have like no thoughts on the slot as of yet, but sure? lump me in there.
It's more about you than Creature tbh.
Ah, yes that makes sense. You do you NAA, you do you.
Why are you working so hard to discredit me when from your perspective I almost have to be right?
So it took me a while to get there, but I think I misinterpreted you.

I thought your post "It's mroe about you than Creature tbh." was you saying that you scumread me, but it isn't, is it?

I was waffling on you, then I realized that I don't care about this game if Alison, creature, mac are town.

Anyway, this is pointless, I'm sticking to my alison/creature/mac plan.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:25 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:18 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:15 pm

Oh this question. The first time I played with Gavial I believe was in the Fallout game and I believe he was mafia.
Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?
Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.
You're both making me think Creature is town.
I haven't said a single thing about Creature and legit have like no thoughts on the slot as of yet, but sure? lump me in there.
It's more about you than Creature tbh.
Ah, yes that makes sense. You do you NAA, you do you.

Why are you working so hard to discredit me when from your perspective I almost have to be right?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:18 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:15 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:11 pm @MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?
Oh this question. The first time I played with Gavial I believe was in the Fallout game and I believe he was mafia.
Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?
Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.
You're both making me think Creature is town.
I haven't said a single thing about Creature and legit have like no thoughts on the slot as of yet, but sure? lump me in there.

It's more about you than Creature tbh.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:15 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:11 pm @MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?
Oh this question. The first time I played with Gavial I believe was in the Fallout game and I believe he was mafia.
Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?
Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.

You're both making me think Creature is town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:56 pm no of course im not giving up lol

Let's just kill Alison and see what happens.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:19 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:56 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:52 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:13 pm So we're still lynching Host/Spec today, right?
I've been called a straight shooter before, so I'm not gonna beat around the bush. You aren't a contribution to town and I reckon we need to get rid of you before f5.

Hustles ain't the place for this, we need to get that pool of people down.
Can you please move to Fext though? If Fext is wolf, the wagons are in a perfect position for a save right now, and I really don't like that.

Also, LC seems more-or-less deflated at this point, which again strongly suggests LC/Fext. We just need to flip Fext. If that is wrong, we need to seriously re-evaluate, but if we don't flip Fext, tomorrow is going to be insanely unproductive.
Why is Seanzie getting a free ride when he was the captain of the Fext wagon and pushed the LC/Fext world actively?

Listen, Seanzie doesn't need to get a free pass at LyLo, but when you have a player who gets the benefit of the doubt in every 1v1 because they're considered a strong player, when they're wrong on 2, you kill them... No questions asked. Also, Seanzie is known to have the occasional bad tunnel from what I know of his town game.

I mean, Mac is straight-up lying through his teeth by saying he didn't read and also arguing that my explanation of what happened isn't reality.

Also, my thoughts on specific players being generally polarized are not unsupported and aren't something Mac should be balking at (even if he thinks it's a bit unfriendly).

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:45 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game
I used to clear him for having a pulse. Now I don't.

That's about it.

Also, gamestate items:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:56 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:55 pm as I mentioned though I'm not exactly planning to constrain myself to 1v1ing LC
stop town telling when i'm trying to get you mischopped

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:32 am Seanzie, myself and Mac are all projecting strong scumreads on Fext.

We are all well known for having accurate D1 reads and we can't all be wolves.

We should just throw Fext into the sun and then turbo LC if he flips mafia.

I should probably just stop interacting with Mac.

I still think it's Alison / Mac though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:06 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:04 pm Well the way you are describing things is not painting a very clear picture for me. It's like trying to tell me the plot of episode 3 without telling me what happened in the first two episodes.
Go read it, or take the L
Read what though? I'm not even sure that your description of what occurred is lining up with events because you're suggesting things that I know for a fact didn't happen and describing people in belittling ways that do not describe them.

Polarized players are generally celebrated as being good town players, I'm not belittling anyone.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:07 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:48 pm Damn though

I was trusting Alison, Mac and Seanzie had good reads yesterday.
Anyone else read this & think it's genuine?

It was basically impossible to think that given the wagons IMO

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:04 pm Well the way you are describing things is not painting a very clear picture for me. It's like trying to tell me the plot of episode 3 without telling me what happened in the first two episodes.

Go read it, or take the L

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:00 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:49 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:43 pm Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.
If you believe that you made the correct play, then you don't need to ask the question that you did coming into the thread:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:20 pm Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

How about answering the question for a change... that'd be quite helpful to me.
I don't know what there is left to say... An obv town player was axed on D1 of a game that has 2 miss-elims. The logic was that he was mafia with a polarized player that had one good game in which people didn't force anything alignment indicative out of him.
I barely paid attention day 1 so you're really going to have to be verbose with me here.

I don't think I do.

Like, I'd love to provide you with more answers Mac, but how on earth do 2 experienced players go to town on some of the most polarized players in the game D1 and expect to not get called out?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:49 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:43 pm Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.
If you believe that you made the correct play, then you don't need to ask the question that you did coming into the thread:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:20 pm Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

How about answering the question for a change... that'd be quite helpful to me.

I don't know what there is left to say... An obv town player was axed on D1 of a game that has 2 miss-elims. The logic was that he was mafia with a polarized player that had one good game in which people didn't force anything alignment indicative out of him.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:48 pm Damn though

I was trusting Alison, Mac and Seanzie had good reads yesterday.

Their top town read was voting against them in a game with 7 town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:43 pm Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.

If you believe that you made the correct play, then you don't need to ask the question that you did coming into the thread:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:20 pm Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

10 - Told you so.

I'm voting Alison, Likely would flop onto creature or Mac if needed.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:58 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:58 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:57 pm The Fext wagon strikes me more confidence than the Alison wagon
I don't think you should attempt to form logic to justify your vote, since it's clearly of character preference.
What?

What?

Bye Fext, I tried.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:57 pm The Fext wagon strikes me more confidence than the Alison wagon

I don't think you should attempt to form logic to justify your vote, since it's clearly of character preference.

@DrWilgy @Fext would you CFD creature?

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