The Syndicate

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:56 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:54 pm Dya kinda defending Dunya, but not really... Feels really scummy and has very suspicious thread chemistry with TSP
I think the reasons for pushing her are bad. At least, the ones in the thread. I dont have her as town though. She's not...she's not like she was in CoV where we mindmelded hard and won the game for town

So, reading people based on what they've done in game to this point is bad?

Like we're talking a need for 4 votes.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:54 pm Actually that's a good point. With it being hammer its pretty odd that the votes are tied.
Mafia don't have an insensitive to split votes in a hammer scenario. And if Mafia could easily just switch wagons and hammer right now if both Duyna and me are Town.
Conclusion Duyna is even more likely to be Mafia since Mafia voting her or me could hammer right now if they wanted by just switching wagons, but their not so they have incentive to keep Duyna alive.

Do you actually believe people on this site would hammer?

Dya kinda defending Dunya, but not really... Feels really scummy and has very suspicious thread chemistry with TSP

Tbh TSP and LP are both wolves, but I still wanna kill Dunya.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:57 am why do you keep yoyoing back and forth between me and LP @NotAnAxehole

I can't ensure that you live through the day unless people think I'm scum reading you.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:52 am
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:50 am
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:48 am i don't even think drwilgy is scummy yet. he's not particularly townie either, so i'm testing the waters with his manageable iso.

please no one follow me anywhere. like fuck, take responsibility for your votes and vote where you think is wolf and stop with the "i followed dunya there" narrative pls.
but but how are we going to lunch you then???
lunch me cos yall are jealous of my pretty hair

You're not dying today with how hard I'm defending you rn.

Prediction: it's going to be highly effective

Dunya trying to pocket people & push DrWilgy in the same way she pushed Creature D1.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:38 pm Ok NAA has derped so hard that he’s lock town now

Ok, in my defense, the wording doesn't make any sense. Why would you start with 1 CP and gain 1 CP before you had to perform any actions? Why not just start with 2 CP? LOL

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:37 pm Reading the next line would have helped

LOL

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:11 pm Class Points (CP) are required to advance levels. Everyone starts the game with 1 CP. You gain one CP for successfully targeting someone (passing the Hit Rate check and not being roleblocked).

I stopped reading here tbh @TonyStarkPrime

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:25 pm Ok NAA this counts as a dumb tell from you but it’s NAI because TBH I don’t understand how you’ve done it

I only had 1 CP at the start of N1 to my knowledge.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:23 pm Yeah level 2 warrior couldn't kill anyone. They can only kill fewer than 10 posters.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:21 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:21 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:20 pm I think it’s you I read the setup this time
How do you propose Sig would have died?
Level 2 warrior

I'm not aware of a way for anyone to have been level 2 warrior last night.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:20 pm I think it’s you I read the setup this time

How do you propose Sig would have died?

The intentional & continuous dumbtelling by TSP seems weird, or maybe it's me who's dumbtelling.

I had to go check the OP to see if we could expect / hope for a modkill.

There's no minimum post count, so I assume Sig will just die at some point once there's a level 2 warrior.

Why would mafia kill sig?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:00 pm Ok seriously someone tell me why is sig alive

Because nobody had the ability to kill Sig?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:54 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:48 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:32 pm Moving jack into my Scumread pile.
Moving dunya up a bit in my Townlean pile.

Dunya made a very odd switch from voting me to basically calling me IC that, the more I think about it, is TWTBAW. That jack, TSP and LP are still sitting on dunya as a possible mischop today only solidifies that dunya is the scapegoat of the day.

Now NAA just needs to go watch some Reading Rainbow to get better reads and we’ll be in business
Yes, the classic play wherein the wolfteam combines to try to misyeet town Dunya D2.

Weren't you voting Dunya earlier? Now she's town.

The Dunya/Scotty mutual read progressions read super awkward.
"All of the people who were voting against the creature wagon yesterday are also voting together today. It was towny yesterday, but now it's scummy."

You shouldn't have switched to Creature yesterday... Jack.
Hindsight is 20/20.

I mean, sure but Creature is arguably always a bad D1 yeet.

This game feels like a game where wolves are numerous enough to just bulldoze a town that doesn't want to vote together.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:48 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:32 pm Moving jack into my Scumread pile.
Moving dunya up a bit in my Townlean pile.

Dunya made a very odd switch from voting me to basically calling me IC that, the more I think about it, is TWTBAW. That jack, TSP and LP are still sitting on dunya as a possible mischop today only solidifies that dunya is the scapegoat of the day.

Now NAA just needs to go watch some Reading Rainbow to get better reads and we’ll be in business
Yes, the classic play wherein the wolfteam combines to try to misyeet town Dunya D2.

Weren't you voting Dunya earlier? Now she's town.

The Dunya/Scotty mutual read progressions read super awkward.

"All of the people who were voting against the creature wagon yesterday are also voting together today. It was towny yesterday, but now it's scummy."

You shouldn't have switched to Creature yesterday... Jack.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:38 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:35 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:44 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:05 pm I've just skimmed Mac's iso:

I think:

Most likely to be mafia in orange

Players higher on the list are more likely to be mafia with people who are low on the list / not on the list.

LPP
TSP
Urist
Scotty
HK
Syn
LP
Dolby
Marmot

Players not really mentioned / not in the above ranking:
Sig, Jack, Dya, DrWilgy
Why do you wolf read me NAA?

Like is this something you've suddenly come to?
I town read you, but I'm giving some respect to Mac's ISO
Ok, so if you town read me but respect macs ISO enough to put me literally at the bottom of your POE does that mean your town read is bullshit or does that mean you believe in mac more than you believe in yourself?

I'm currently hard defending the other two "most likely to be wolves" on your list. Do you think that I think I have the chutzpah to do that to my, according to you, likely team mates? As in if your oranges are correct flipping me gives you the entire team right?
Do you think that little of my wolf game? (don't answer that b/c I don't want to be sad)
I don't think anything in particular about your wolf game.

For the rest...
c'mon man, you've got to have some kind of opinion there. Otherwise your fancy shmancy color coding is worth bupkis.

If I were respecting Mac's reads & combining them with my own thoughts on the game, I would kill Scotty.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:35 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:44 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:05 pm I've just skimmed Mac's iso:

I think:

Most likely to be mafia in orange

Players higher on the list are more likely to be mafia with people who are low on the list / not on the list.

LPP
TSP
Urist
Scotty
HK
Syn
LP
Dolby
Marmot

Players not really mentioned / not in the above ranking:
Sig, Jack, Dya, DrWilgy
Why do you wolf read me NAA?

Like is this something you've suddenly come to?
I town read you, but I'm giving some respect to Mac's ISO
Ok, so if you town read me but respect macs ISO enough to put me literally at the bottom of your POE does that mean your town read is bullshit or does that mean you believe in mac more than you believe in yourself?

I'm currently hard defending the other two "most likely to be wolves" on your list. Do you think that I think I have the chutzpah to do that to my, according to you, likely team mates? As in if your oranges are correct flipping me gives you the entire team right?
Do you think that little of my wolf game? (don't answer that b/c I don't want to be sad)

I don't think anything in particular about your wolf game.

For the rest...

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:32 pm Moving jack into my Scumread pile.
Moving dunya up a bit in my Townlean pile.

Dunya made a very odd switch from voting me to basically calling me IC that, the more I think about it, is TWTBAW. That jack, TSP and LP are still sitting on dunya as a possible mischop today only solidifies that dunya is the scapegoat of the day.

Now NAA just needs to go watch some Reading Rainbow to get better reads and we’ll be in business

My reads don't matter because I have a 0% chance of getting a majority to vote with me.

Case in point, Mac and I had nearly identical D1 reads and it certainly felt like there was no way we could end up on the same wagon:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:35 pm [VOTE: the small fish] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:01 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:06 am OK, my one non-meta read: I think Le Petit Poussin is >rand mafia.
So here we, again, have a situation where you're making similar reads to me ala the previous game. And yet you are going to just continue to suspect me until we get to a point in the game where you and I are the only ones left alive and the mafia manages to mischop one of us to win. Bet.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:00 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:44 pm rask is still scum fwiw
i disagree bruh
his explanations for his reads are insincere

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:59 pm I think Scotty is mafia. Froze eod. His wagon dissolved into nothing. Creature is hitting his melancholy notes. Dunya wagon is just big game hunting derpiness nothing more.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:24 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:23 pm is the case on dunya as simple as i think it is? My understanding is she's a really good wolf and i don't think she'd get caught that easily
This is only true if you think she’s likely to flip here

This... I fully expect that regardless of Dunya's alignment, we will be killing town today.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:05 pm I've just skimmed Mac's iso:

I think:

Most likely to be mafia in orange

Players higher on the list are more likely to be mafia with people who are low on the list / not on the list.

LPP
TSP
Urist
Scotty
HK
Syn
LP
Dolby
Marmot

Players not really mentioned / not in the above ranking:
Sig, Jack, Dya, DrWilgy
Why do you wolf read me NAA?

Like is this something you've suddenly come to?

I town read you, but I'm giving some respect to Mac's ISO

I'm going to pretend Scotty isn't naked mafia today.

Ah, I forgot Dunya. LOL

Dunya is on the list with Urist/Scotty/HK.

I've just skimmed Mac's iso:

I think:

Most likely to be mafia in orange

Players higher on the list are more likely to be mafia with people who are low on the list / not on the list.

LPP
TSP
Urist
Scotty
HK
Syn
LP
Dolby
Marmot

Players not really mentioned / not in the above ranking:
Sig, Jack, Dya, DrWilgy

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:28 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:24 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:21 pm ah yes, "behaviour must be punished" reads
I make plays based on probability. It's how we won that game where Mac and Alison were mafia. Creature doesn't seem like that difficult of a read... AND Creature forfeited their last mafia game, yeeting them incorrectly day 1 is worthy of killing off any strong players who voted there. I consider Dunya to be a strong town player and I think yeeting her here is an acceptable play.
sometimes even the greats make mistakes.

rub it in a bit more, but it took 6 others to yeet him too

I mean, I think you understand & don't fundamentally disagree with the methodology. We'll see, it's a long day, I might change my mind.

Also, the more TSP pretends to be useful, the more I think he could be a wolf with some strong spew.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:21 pm ah yes, "behaviour must be punished" reads

I make plays based on probability. It's how we won that game where Mac and Alison were mafia. Creature doesn't seem like that difficult of a read... AND Creature forfeited their last mafia game, yeeting them incorrectly day 1 is worthy of killing off any strong players who voted there. I consider Dunya to be a strong town player and I think yeeting her here is an acceptable play.

Killing Scotty yesterday would have been optimal for win probability I think, but instead we went on a bad meta read that needs to be punished today.

How many people are going to angleshoot dumbtell the game mechanics?

bye Creature

Ok so Dolby, did you not understand the case on Dunya I posted?

I think Dunya and Jack are both mafia... Maybe Mac too.

There is at least one mafia in each of these 3 lists:

List 1:
LinearPoint
TSP
Mac
Hollowkat
Urist
Le Petit Poisson

List 2:
Dolby
Dunya
Urist
Le Petit Poisson
TSP
Mac

List 3:
Dunya
Hallowkatt
Scotty
Le Petit Poisson
Dolby
TSP
Mac
Urist

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:50 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:49 pm tbh, the odds of successfully axing Dunya today are pretty low.
you have 10 minutes to sell me i guess

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:07 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:01 pm Le Petit I've hydraed with, been in countless games together, wolfed with and against him, been town against his wolf (I think), and generally there's just a ton of history there, maybe more than anyone else in this thread. I'm not claiming to be a Le Petit god reader. I am claiming to have a lot of insight into how he's going to approach a game and I believe this to be his town game.
i dunno, i think town rask is more aggressive and tunnels---at least that's my experience wit him when i was wolf and he wouldn't let me go ;p

he's been a bit too much "ok then" *unvotes* here for my liking.

i shall continue to observe, but thems the feels.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:01 am BREAKING UNFAKE NEWS: rask isn't a tunneller. he accurately tunneled me in a game when no one else listened to him about me being scum (i was scum). people are misinterpreting that take. so i would like the records to show, i am not saying rask is tunneled. just that he did that one time to me....

tbh, the odds of successfully axing Dunya today are pretty low.

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:47 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:44 pm I have found a game where I would have incorrectly scum read Scotty D1 based on my tell (of course it's a town tell, so he doesn't necessarily always do it day 1).

I would give Scotty another day maybe... For science.
this is what i was saying yesterday

I know you were saying this, but I didn't want to put in the work, and Scotty was being counterproductive.

I could kill Dunya though.

I want to kill Jack for continuously asking people to make cases, not presenting his own opinion and acting like he should have no responsibility for where his vote falls.

I have found a game where I would have incorrectly scum read Scotty D1 based on my tell (of course it's a town tell, so he doesn't necessarily always do it day 1).

I would give Scotty another day maybe... For science.

I would kill Dunya tbh.

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:20 pm doesn't jack typically post more as scum?
also can someone give me the reason for killing lp?

Jack does have a content tell, but it's hard to tell due to variability in volume.

Also, @Dolby we can agree to disagree on methods, but I think objective metrics are better than content-based metrics.

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:10 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:08 pm GoC
FoL
LOTR
pitpm
RPG
DowntonAbbey

T
M
M
T
?
T
I have very mixed feelings about even potentially using this, let alone what it means

I know it's confusing because I'm giving you the output of a metric that I found is alignment indicative for Scotty. I haven't seen a single game where Scotty violated the rule.

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