The Syndicate

I was going to save Nanook, yeah.

Having a green check on Nanook there would have been game winning tbh.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:54 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:43 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:46 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:45 pm NAA was the doctor?

I am confuse
I have no idea what NAA's play this game was and I have also been confused the whole time.

@NotAnAxehole
It wasn't a gambit, CCing in a Jester game didn't make much sense to me, Scotty was my top Jester read. If I appear to be the only one to not say anything / not believe Scotty's claim, I might as well out with a hard claim. I wanted to force mafia to shoot Nanook by saying I PR read him - he would be protected and would have lost as it turns out, but town decided to CFD him instead?
I see.

I guess the cop thing was trying to control mafia's kill too?

Yeah, I wanted to direct the night kill onto Nanook who was protected every night.

Nanook played well - but town should have understood that once you're on a target that isn't PR and isn't Jester, you kill. Idk if people had a Jester read on HK, but... I commented on that being unlikely yesterday.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:58 pm Oh btw.

This has been bothering me the whole game.

The mafia does NOT get to use the jester as shield in case of a red result.

All town has to do is demand the mafia to kill the red result next night. If they are still alive next day, it means either that was the goon, or mafia is gamethrowing. Mafia has to kill the result if they are the jester, because if town fulfills their promise and yeets the jester, the mafia loses too.

So the cop is actually pretty damn effective against jesters, unless they make the reveal in LyLo.

I wouldn't fault a mafia team for not killing the Jester in that situation.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:46 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:45 pm NAA was the doctor?

I am confuse
I have no idea what NAA's play this game was and I have also been confused the whole time.

@NotAnAxehole

It wasn't a gambit, CCing in a Jester game didn't make much sense to me, Scotty was my top Jester read. If I appear to be the only one to not say anything / not believe Scotty's claim, I might as well out with a hard claim. I wanted to force mafia to shoot Nanook by saying I PR read him - he would be protected and would have lost as it turns out, but town decided to CFD him instead?

Though, if nobody CCs, I guess he's probably actually the Doc, which makes Nanook probably mafia...

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:02 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:34 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:21 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I've been trying to out that you're PR all game, and nobody has killed you yet, so you don't have to vote me over it.
Which is funny considering I’m the doctor
Can't decide if this is a jester or mafia claim lol

Scotty has been actively claiming Jester, his vote on HK shows that Scotty town reads HK.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I've been trying to out that you're PR all game, and nobody has killed you yet, so you don't have to vote me over it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:25 pm Is there a world in which HK is jester here?

He's trying too hard to give off a Jester read.

Nanook is still probably PR and isn't being killed because he's everyone's top scum read outside of Hallowkatt.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:54 pm NAA, what do you think of me clearing Falcon here from being godfather?
I know I said spewed town but then realized wolves don't know who the jester is so I'm walking that part back, but I do think they're not the GF

If you're Jester *shrug*

If you're town, Jester is not voting you.

I know this goes without saying, but if Jester makes it to F3, I'm kingmaking Jester.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:46 pm It might be star but im not gonna push it today

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:47 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:46 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:29 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:25 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:23 pm Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.
yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them
For the record, nothing you post will sway my vote... But I will consider legacy.

Busing the goon pre-cop flip is bad because it risks outing the Jester to town. Which now is likely Marmot due to DrWilgy doc flip.
I'm not posting to change your mind, I'm posting to find a solve. If I die I die nbd but if I die with a proposed solve I feel good about and can articulate reasons for that's a win in my book.
Ok, I just want you to know where I'm at.

Also, to help your solve, I've never bussed a player who I have a bad relationship with in all of my time playing mafia.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:46 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:29 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:25 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:23 pm Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.
yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them
For the record, nothing you post will sway my vote... But I will consider legacy.

Busing the goon pre-cop flip is bad because it risks outing the Jester to town. Which now is likely Marmot due to DrWilgy doc flip.
I'm not posting to change your mind, I'm posting to find a solve. If I die I die nbd but if I die with a proposed solve I feel good about and can articulate reasons for that's a win in my book.

Ok, I just want you to know where I'm at.

Also, to help your solve, I've never bussed a player who I have a bad relationship with in all of my time playing mafia.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:25 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:23 pm Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.
yeah I'm not here like "this clears falcon" but I think it's worth thinking about. I am paranoid about you and nanook tbh but without a smoking gun I know I can't get either of you across today. Regardless tonight I'm isoing and doing some thinking and I'll share my results when I have them

For the record, nothing you post will sway my vote... But I will consider legacy.

Busing the goon pre-cop flip is bad because it risks outing the Jester to town. Which now is likely Marmot due to DrWilgy doc flip.

I gave Nanook a clear path to railroad Hallowkatt yesterday, and he didn't take it.

Without me, LC doesn't get a wagon.

Scotty considered switching and didn't, if he wanted to he could have tied it without really taking all that much heat for it because it was clear he didn't believe in the kill.

Nanook could bus, but... Not in the mood to consider this.

Marmot just last second joining wagons, could have easily jumped onto Falcon last second because Falcone to wasn't self preserving.

Level 1 plays are often right, don't overthink it. There as was no reason to bus LC, if town allowed an LC bus with that vote logic, it's on them.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:48 pm My surface level read is that LC didn't get bussed. Which leaves two options for today, one slightly more likely due to vote logic.
About that other one:
What say you of falcon’s voting yesterday?

I say kill all non-LC voters (falcon and Hallowkatt) and if by chance they're both town and didn't vote the outed mafia player, *shrug*.

My surface level read is that LC didn't get bussed. Which leaves two options for today, one slightly more likely due to vote logic.

Like, you're saying I deliberately targetted my partner, who hates me... I gave no case and I specifically targetted players who would be most likely to join me with no attempt to case the game as a whole... And he had no reaction to that.

If you're town, i see one reasonable idea to push, and it's not Lime Coke + NAA.

Lime Coke is an emotional player who hates me, the lack of an outburst from him is clearing for me.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME thoughts? Is this just easy mode?

I think this is just a case of Nanook and StarV both right on D1.

Also, if Marmot was checked by DrWilgy, he is confirmed Jester. But we don't know that.

Vote logic indicates Hollowkat mafia.

Hollowkat floating NAA bus sounds like desperation.

Marmot could have saved LC, I don't think he's mafia.

I knew DrWilgy wasn't vanilla...

Billboard

Second time lucky.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:11 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:10 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:07 pm My only qualm with this game is that I'm worried we're going to end up in a kingmaker situation, because the gamestate, barring a PR solve, is likely to lead to a town loss. I guess we'll see how it plays out, but I hate kingmaker situations.
Are you speaking as the kingmaker or
I am the king, regardless who is making the king, my team should win.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:01 pm Ok, now that the game has officially started, I hard claim Jester, never rescinding.

I haven't rescinded.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:07 pm My only qualm with this game is that I'm worried we're going to end up in a kingmaker situation, because the gamestate, barring a PR solve, is likely to lead to a town loss. I guess we'll see how it plays out, but I hate kingmaker situations.
Are you speaking as the kingmaker or

I am the king, regardless who is making the king, my team should win.

Mooooood

This is a mafia flip, lets gooo

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:05 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:02 pm Idk how your argument makes sense.
Yours haven't either.

"Mafia is defending him this page."

Okay who is defending me? Seeing that my wagon only got more votes since you keep saying that.

You've also switched between "he doesn't care" to "he does care" so are you actually doing something or what?

I was talking to Scotty

Stay the course, wait for Nanook to get good cop checks.

Scotty is the Jester, he's picking up on me saying I think Marmot is the Jester, which I don't. Never did.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:02 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:59 pm I’ve just had the greatest idea known to man/marmotkind! Let’s leave the vote tied on who we think is most likely to be jester/scum. The tie would always err on the side that isn’t jester.

Like…why did we not do that yesterday?
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

That's not how it works. Ties are just randed.

Yeah, I had to double back and read it, it only matters at 4

Idk how your argument makes sense.

Scotty, I appreciate that you're trying to get yeeted here, but it's not happening.

Scotty could be Jester too tbh, weird play from him unless he wants a CFD to land on him.

Listen, worrying about losing to Jester on day 2 is not a productive way to play.

@falcon45ca self preservation please.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:55 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:54 pm We need a PR win, so basically, Lime Coke is a safe kill here.

I completely agree. I also hope that when the PRs come out, they do so in a way where a cc is impossible.

Cc being possible is actually not bad, it could turn a 33% into a 50/50. If you coin flipped CC, I think CCing would almost always be bad.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:54 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Y’all I’m getting antsy

Stop that.

We need a PR win, so basically, Lime Coke is a safe kill here.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:51 pm I just have "blah" feelings when I open up this game thread, I dunno how to proceed forward.

I get that, but when Lime Coke flips mafia, I think the game becomes a lot more interesting. If he's not playing and is town, I don't really know what to say, game is lost.

Literally the entire last page is people defending Lime Coke and saying "nobody is defending him"

It's like y'all are gaslighting me, I have no clue how to read that.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:08 pm I'm inclined to think that mafia are likely to protect each other in some capacity from elims. Because otherwise, in order to win, they could end up in an F4 or F3 scenario where there is a single mafia, and they have to elim the townie (who might be a claimed PR at that point) over the jester if the jester is still alive. Odds are stacked against them incredibly.

With 2 mafia alive, they can do that in an F5 or F6 scenario, and the chances of hitting a townie are higher.

This is also why I tossed out the idea that mafia probably weren't around at EOD1 if no mafia were in danger, because they didn't need to be.

Marmot was defending him, although Marmot now voting him inspires confidence that they're not together.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:25 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

See, a Maf might try and take advantage of the "Jester could be slanking" mentality, and the lack of fight from LC is less than ideal. He tends to get upset when he's getting pushed, I find his lack of care disturbing

He cares

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