The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:32 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:19 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:02 pm Kinda want to say Seanzie is my ride or die but I havent seen him as wolf so I will just say town for now

Tell me about baudib. Also, you should figure out your whole "oracle" thing.

What about Baudib do you want to know?

Full scale read. ISO them, read my posts about them, give me your thoughts.

I'm your not-quite-ride-or-die and I think Baudib is mafia. Do you agree or am I mistaken?

This will probably be my last post for the day while I am at work, I will read later tonight, if you could gather up all your issues into one post it will be helpful for me. You dont have to tho.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:45 pm FUCK, everyone on Wigly rn, mafia can hammer alison with a card, let's adjust wagons like that

No one has cards today. there hasnt been a night yet

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:47 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:45 pm FUCK, everyone on Wigly rn, mafia can hammer alison with a card, let's adjust wagons like that

No one has cards today. there hasnt been a night yet

Also no hammer

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:07 am I like both the Alison and creature votes but would prefer Allison I think. We still have 24ish hours tjough so no rush

who are the mafia on each wagon?


Alison: sig, Dennis, Jackofhearts2005, Neon
Baudib1: tutuu, Seanzie, falcon45ca
Creature: RondoDimBuckle, lucy, MacDougall, staypositivefriend

Minor Wagons: Bereft, Baudib1, Creature, Alison, Wilgy


No Voters: fingersplints, Kate, Porscha, Roxy

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:20 am Current leans

@Alison wolf === saved the best for last so you should probably be reading this bottom up (Except for Sig who I am saving for last last). Trying to look for charitable things: Dont hate the kate vote. Dont disagree with the Lucy suss atm. Probably just going to trust Alison on tutuu being town. I think I figured out why Alison is ignoring me: Post 197 outs me as town in the events that Kate flips wolf.
@Baudib1 (I had this wolf but after isoing) town === equity with sig (anyone else think that post 21 is a weird one?) probably town for wanting to off my slot with this player list and clearly has no TMI on who I am and level 0 solving. Not sure if I am confbiasing myself but post 144 is more towny as well. Apparently knows Mac so maybe I shouldnt give them so many town points.
@Bereft dunno (GTH town?) === what is porschas most wolfy post?
@Creature dunno (GTH town) === what is sigs most towny post? (anyone can answer this as well)
@Dennis town === falcon equity and sig equity maybe / Why are you wishy washing on Kate. Make a read, town or wolf? Why not voting for lucy or Neon? Why havent you voted yet?
@DrWilgy dunno (GTH no fucking content)
@falcon45ca town === Why is Bereft Mafia? (anyone can answer this one if they want)
@fingersplints dunno (GTH no fucking content) === splint some fingers
@Jackofhearts2005 wwe (GTH John Cena) === I will place you in a tomb stone hold if you dont post soon
@Kate dunno (GTH wolf) === You t hink I am town, you say my opening is identical to my 'town play' you have seen me open up saying almost nothing, you have seen me town try hard and you have seen me chaos post. How am I in any meta that isnt replicable as a wolf and just town?
@lucy towolf (GTH wolf) === Did you actually care if I ranked the people above or below the line? Why did you give up when I said no? Where is the tryharding? Possibly outed, need more data
@MacDougall town === Can you articulate why you went to ? reading me and then back to town?
@Neon maybe town === You think Mac's read on me is real? Does that mean you town read me or you think Mac town reads me? Why do you or dont you agree with it?
@Porscha town === post 204 which part are you referring to specifically? (Equity with falcon but probably just town) And what do you mean by post 61? If you town read me can you please articulate why?
@RondoDimBuckle IC af === lol my own iso
@Roxy dunno (GTH one post? town)
@Seanzie town == You scum read me on the 'fake' entrance. What if I told you that I do that as town? You can ask Kate
@sig wolf? (GTH Wolf) === Why did you try to undermine my Mac town read? Why are you defending Falcon? Why are you giving me a day 1 pass in a game about suspicion and deceit? What specifically do you like about Sean / Baud's post? When do you plan on doing any actual solving?
@staypositivefriend dunno (GTH wolf) === you have made zero posts towards me and I have been one of the most active in the game. Why? I would like to hear more about post 153? please explain.
@tutuu towolf (GTH town but I may be pocketed, can be wolf with sig or creature, tripple rule of three in post 142 and I dont like her calling me an easy town read could be TMI but she might just think she can read me easy) === You have me as town last I checked

===== read bottom up (except sig last) ==== ^
===== read top to bottom ==== v

What do you read me as and why?


Also I do not believe everyone who was "bored" after my bored post was genuine, maybe 1 wolf


I was going to drop a quick read list, then I started ISOing people I hadnt seen post and I figured while I was at it I may as well ruin my sleep schedule and hate myself in the morning and do a full ISO sweep of the game

and

while I am at it put a huge target on my back by placing a kill list

(A) Kate > (B) Sig > (C) Lucy > (D)(One of Alison/Mac)

A - if kate flips wolf, analyse spew (or lack of and continue with kill list)
B - if Sig flips wolf, analyse spew (or lack of and continue with kill list)
C - if lucy flips wolf, anal- win the game


A - if kate flips town > kill counter wagon and so on till finding wolf and then kill most towny player day 4 if 3 consecutive non wolf hits (Hence D. Mac/Alison)
B - as above but +1 day
C - as above but +2 days

Spoiler: show

Or you can ignore all of this Im not your mum

if you havent responded to this post please do. You know who you are

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:01 am alison likes going ham and neon is emotional done debate solved gg next u both town

now id look cool af if i know a wolf and be like "BUT THIS DUDE IS A WOLF KILL HIS ASS" and now u two combine and join forces BAM BAM BAM the enemies of yesterday ARE THE FRIENDS OF TOMORROW just like lelouche and suzaku in ending of code geass and u wombo combo his wolf ass jab hook jab hook hell yea

and then u shake hands and say "gg" and the sigma male grindset music plays in the background

You and Alison rushing to post cap does not fill me with confidence

Oh fuck I completely forgot I was going to ISO someone for Seanzie. Initially Seanzie was town on Bau from 12:48pm my time (Mac too)

Strongly town reads him till tutuu doesnt like it and flips at 7:06am my time (18 hours ish of town time)

Defends Jack (Who I think is fairly in both town and wolf meta) against Bau and fairly asks for a proper breakdown of his thoughts then votes

Beau proceeds to quote a bunch of jokes from Jack about how we should yeet him to determine his alignment and a bunch of meme rvs stage sus. (Mostly pushes on Alison)

Seanzie Soft/hard defends Jack depending on how you read it. (fairly pointing out that Jack is putting some good pressure on Alison. Albeit pointless pressure because Alison is likely to crack to that and Jack knows it)

Sean drops a reads list

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:52 pm lucy

tutuu

MacDougall
Roxy
Jackofhearts2005
Creature
Porscha
falcon45ca

fingersplints
Alison
Bereft
DrWilgy
sig
RondoDimBuckle
Neon

Kate
Baudib1
Dennis
staypositivefriend

TBH if he is a wolf here I would put him / alison / mac together so far possibly with two of Roxy / Neon / Jack but this is a malformed idea and just as I am going through his ISO

Seanzie fairly asking Beau to point out specific points in his argument where Jack caught Flak

Not sure if Seanzie actually feels the way he does to Bau because a lot of his pushes feel fake to me but that is just a play difference between me and him so he probably means it.

Beau doubles down on the troll comments on Jack with no actual posts to back him up. Sean comes prepared with a smack down of facts (from his pov)

Beau reasponds with nonsense and nonsense ensues

Then we have a mindmeld about Alison and he asks me to ISO Beu.

All in all fairly scummy vibes from Beau (But I will reserve judgement for after I have ISO'ed him)

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first > chivalry under pressure > calling out Lucy as Zealot not a good look > says he has experience with Lucy/Creature/Jack as well in the next post (Which probably explains why he is focusing on Jack a lot but I dont think he has piped up about creature which is strange since creature has been on the B L O C K) > offers to vote me and lose the game > defends seanzies read list (good look) > calls Mac Max lol > gets caught in my vote trap lol > Calls falcon wolf (such an easy call) > calls tutuu wolf > calls Alison town and says he will sheep her but is currently voting with [checks thread..] not Alison > pointless pfp talk > defends creature and attacks falcon who is defending creatures attack on wilgy > says Falcon should be reading wilgy as wolf (Another one, lots of wolves in this game) > says he wants to vote Mac (another wolf) > no opinions on reads list (someone says later that not having opinions on reads list that you have on wolves is weird which I agree with) > encourages Lucy / Rondo violence > Jack is apparently agressively null (???) > pulling back on his sheep of alison > Jack is now voteable (in the space of 3 posts and 20 minutes from null to yeetable?) > tries to drum up more anti mac sentiment > Then agrees to Alisons statement that Mac is off limits day 1(WHAT?!?!?!?) > Kate, Rondo, Jack, Falcon, Dr Wilgy (Ladies and gentlemen. We got him. At best I think 2 wolves in here) > Back to Alison ride or die > says wolf creature wouldnt treat him the way he has this game and then locks in a creature town read > jumps on Alison gunning for Jack > doubles down on creature town > specifically states to SPF that he is not paticularly good at day 1 but he has been gunning hard fmpov pushing people as fact so either he is lying to SPF or he is lying to himself > Just accepts the hard claim from Lucy with an off the cuff 'oh I town read her anyway' when he was previously angling to off her > says Lucy was trying to draw heat and had a trump card OBVIOUSLY and yet I did not? Interesting > feeling again for a Jack yeet > calls himself and Alison w/w which I am inclined to believe at this point > says he could be w/w with anyone > hard push on jack again (keep in mind he is bad at day 1s. Also Jack/Bau w/w feelings rising) and pushes a false if you're not with me you're against me on jack > posts a reads list:

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:36 pm I like these people:
Lucy
Alison
Creature
SPF
Bereft

Don’t like these people
Falcon
Rondo
DrWilgy
Kate
Jack

same 5 he was pushing earlier 0 deviance just a different order, does this feel like someone who is evaluating their reads or someone with an agenda? Getting pretty confbiased now.

Rolls back his STRONG Wilgy sus to a 'not so strong' wilgy sus > the back and forth of Seanzie and Bau I talked about above > tries a falcon push asking anyone calling him town to come justify themselves > pocket attempt on Mac > quotes the wrong post at mac and instead of fixing it with the next post says he misquoted and didnt even include the proper quote (????Post count wasteage?) > Another push on Jack saying he never leaves Troll mode (for someone who knows Jack well this is such a weird attack fmpov) > defends Alison again and attacks Falcon. Maybe w/w/w(?) > Attempting to pocket Mac some more to get him to talk more about Alison (Feels very: Talk more about my wolf buddy in a good light, this will be a surprise tool for later) "Mac, can you elaborate on why Alison is OK but her suspicions are based on horseshit/opportunistic? Like I kinda feel you but talk me through it.
" > pretends to not notice my claim apparently and makes a push on me. Very anti town > says everyone else is more villagery, everyone, even fingers who has posted almost nothing (maybe she had at this point) or Porscha who posted a bit and dipped > weird attack on my reads calling them non serious except he has no clue who the fuck I am but he is super confident about me talking out my ass about a read on Seanzie (Remember, he is not so good at his Day 1's) > again has no read on a reads list on someone who he wolf reads (??) > wont respond to stupid obvious answers and throws more sus at myself and Falcon > agrees with creature that the wagon of 4 on Alison of Jack / Dennis / Sig / Neon should be completely nuked (1 wolf on it, leaning Jack/Neon) > tries to drum up more Anti Rondo sentiment by saying I am holding the game Hostage for refusing to Engage on a non profitable conversation for town > Falcon may be on to something with Alison / Creature / Baudi / Wilgy + me but I know I am town post below

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:50 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:49 pm Alison, Creature, Rondo, Baudi, Wilgy



That's been the pretty consistent wagons thus far this RD. Baudi thinks these are spectacularly bad...despite SR Wilgy for sure, and certainly shading Rondo...that's 2/5 he should have no issue w/ flipping, yet he acts like we've got spectacularly bad wagons.


I don't see how a town thinks like this

Really, 2/4 wagons, cuz I'm sure he doesn't want his own flip.


Half the wagons are for players he's been shading or outright SR...I don't see that as a Town mindset at all

Bruh u cannot get me lynched.

First off it was me Creature and Alison and the town Oracle said she wanted to nuke the wagons so if you don’t think it can be a town POV take it up with our PR. Wilgy became a wagon because Lucy asked for it.

This I was quiet about at the time of the posting but I really thought Falcon hit the nail on the head here and Bau's response was not good > specifically YOU can not get me lynched is quite an interesting choice of words > Another attack on Jack and a defense on Alison and creature > says he isnt attacking seanzie in the previous post but then throws sus on Seanzie using Jacks posts > deflects a Mac(x) attack with a dismissive TMI and when Mac presses defends saying he wasnt really pocketed by Alison > Says Mac's post is 9/10 (As a pretense to....)> Defends Alisons wagon again but has nothing to say about any of the other 3 possible wagons I mention > pushes jack again > Neon states that PR's can be wrong and gets called a wolf in response > (.... do this!) flip his heavy scum read on me to a town read for an UNRESOLVED CC > takes me out of the wolf core and puts Neon in > drumming up more Jack attack from tutuu > defends Alison to Neon.

I dunno. I went into this wanting to town read him, predicting I would town read him. Not just because he is just so WRONG on my slot and pushing people for reasons I see as NAI in this climate but for things that only people who would know me wouldnt push me for and on top of that Mac town reads him so I want to just ignore the slot but Seanzie asked and I did the work and FUCK ME all I saw was Agenda.

@MacDougall
@Alison
@lucy
@Seanzie

[VOTE: Bau] aubergine

holy shit someone come rescue me from my confbias because this is atrocious

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:15 am Rondo, the problem you’re having is that Jack is an obvious wolf and I am not.

Amazing response. I spend the last hour reading through your ISO and giving a considered approach and you meme at me in response. Interesting. Not town.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:02 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:45 am [VOTE: kate] aubergine

I'd join this wagon. I don't see Baudib going over here, and while I think they should be strongly scrutinized, I'm tempted to drop them for now.

I'mma vote Kate, then ISO Kate... because that's the correct order, right? [VOTE: Kate] aubergine

[VOTE: sean] aubergine

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:27 pm [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine

You have me as scum lean yet you join me on a vote???

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:10 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:15 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:44 am Kate townslipped. She's been using the green text all game to represent stuff that's from an out-of-game perspective and that she wants to make sure people know is genuine and not speaking from her role PM. She included "it would be a bad move for town to vote me out" in green text because she was telling the truth about requesting a sub out and accidentally said too much in her "trust tell" font.

Roxy hasn't returned and is either totally checked out of the game or totally frozen mafia. We should get rid of her because we can't leave her around generating question marks forever.

Lynching slankers D1 is always suboptimal.


If only there was a recent game where Maf absolutely trounced Town cuz' of this very thing...@DrWilgy , remember?

Not for wolves. Wolf Alison loves to yeet town slankers like "We can't leave this slot around forever."

Well, ya I mean for Town. 'Natch it's a wolf strat

Which is why you should help me yeet Alison. Because she's using a strategy that makes sense for her as a wolf, not a townie.



While I'm burning a post, here are some reads.





Town
Lucy
SPF
Falcon
Sig

Townish
Seanzie
Baudib
Tutuu
Fingersplints.

Special place for players I don't have a read on but won't support yeeting D1
Creature

Scumlean
Wilgy

Scumread
Alison


These are unordered btw.

Ok the first time you ignored my wall I can understand. The second time I am miffed. you have left me out of this and have failed to interact with me all game you can be scum

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:21 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:15 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:11 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:52 pm Jack = W is probably the strongest D1 wolf I’ve had in over 100 games. T!Jack will generally find a way to make himself useful very early and be obvtown.

After that I am less sure, I’d suspect 2.5 in this group that is blatantly wolfsiding:
Wilgy
Neon (incorporating MacDougall read here)
Falcon
Seanzie
Porscha (incorporating tutuu read)

Occasionally 1 in Creature/Rondo/Alison/SPF/Bereft and even lower frequency in Mac/tutuuu (but something like 1 in 300)

I'm literally leading a yeet on a wolf right now. How much more useful do you expect me to be?

Jack: you and I both know, so just remember when we play another game for higher stakes, bub.

Your push on me is so ill advised that you've become a bigger wagon than me even without me pushing you at all.

Everything you're complaining about me doing, you're doing. I'm not doing enough by just pushing Alison? You're not doing enough by just pushing me.

Only I'm pushing a wolf and you're pushing a townie. If you really are town and you really can't get over this, at least do something else useful so people stop thinking you're a wolf.

Bub you can’t even make a half-convincing case that you’re unaware of my alignment. I’m not the one trolling the thread with useless nonsense. I have plenty of other thoughts on other people in the game, and you don’t.

You are frustrating.

What is your take on Baudib?

You asked this of me. I did the work. You prompted to ignore it and do the opposite of the outcome. Why?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:33 pm With Lucy moving to Jack, I'd guess the EoD wagons will probably end up Jack/Baudib.

Too bad I think bau is town now because of tutuus wall post.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:39 pm Greetings.

Never had the opportunity to read the past 10 pages and will be in and out during EoD.

That being the case I'm going to just review current votes and go from there while vetoing bad wagons.

Alison: Too many wolf leans to be pure I think. Jack, Sig and Seanzie are all in my realm of "could be wolf." More recent posts I've seen of Seanzie makes me doubt my earlier suspicion and I feel they are the most towny of the three.

Baudib: I town read all three of Neon, Falcon and Dennis. Good Wagon. Can be pure.

Creature: Just Mac. Could be pure.

Falcon: Bereft. While I don't have any immediate scum lean on Bereft, this is a bad wagon. Falcon is clearly in his town meta.

Jack of Hearts: SPF and Baudib. I don't really disagree with the suspicion on JoH, but I don't know if I trust Baudib as it stands. 50/50.

Porscha: Tutuu, I don't think this is a good vote, even if pure. Porscha would be an easier catch later if they do eventually wolf tell.

Roxy: Lucy, Alison, Creature. I disagree with this wagon. Likely not pure.

Seanzie: Rondo and I, though I'll likely change. Rondo is a town lean, likely pure wagon.

Who are the wolves on the porscha wagon?

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:39 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:33 pm I also wouldn’t consider Mac a strong town voice the more I think about it. He isn’t cleared, he hasn’t led the charge of a flipped mafia member ect,

And while we know Lucy is a civ that doesn’t mean she’s right so is that a strong town voice?

silly statement, i'm strong town when i town, and i'm conf town
therefore i am a strong town voice
if mac is town from rand he's been a strong town voice
but what are your scumreads sig, and i strongly believe you shouldn't go anywhere near alison/baudib so please go off them

I will support this statement. I am less confident on Alison I haven't seen anything from her but she may be capped. I know town Alison cares more about eod so she should post soon but I am backing lucy here

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:42 pm Alison - told you to try and get me elimmed but instead you got nothing accomplished. You think I left bc I was angry? Wrong, so wrong.
I just do not see a point of derailing the thread with a bunch of bullshit or arguing with someone that twists everything I say like people can't read the few posts I have to see for themselves. lolololol
Now you doubled down on me and you have back tracked on Kate with what I consider illogical reasoning.

You tried to implicate that I have "documented" anger issues. Like lol wtf hahaha

lucy is kind of misrepresenting what we discussed. We clashed as teammates during LGM. She outed herself and left me (the only other teammate alive) swinging in the breeze. She did not even try to defend. We lost big time. Then in Felt 3 I was bad she was town. We elimmed her but she wrote a bunch of stories after her death in dead red and they kinda creeped me out so I called her out on it in thread which as an adult I realized belatedly that was wrong, I should have PMed her which is what I did. I apologized to her and we had a chat on discord that had nothing to do with anger issues. I can copy it for you if you would like.

You are so new to this site. So is lucy. I've been here almost from inception. (So has kate and splints and couple of others)
As a baddie I would never argue with a teammate in thread nor try and destroy a case they made. I'm way better than that.
You would not know my meta so acting like you can out me so easily is quite funny to this old woman.

You are super aggro. Not very townie. I use words like: psychic (which I did say sorry to you), honey, sweetheart and sorry. You use words like: impolite, angry, weird, less coherent and scum.
You twist everything I say. I call it a ping you say it's a suspicion (insert one of your scummy terms). I explain my thought process and you say it is contradictory and I wonder if you are wilfully ignoring what I am saying. Nope. You call it a scumread.

I've never once said you were a baddie, but with all of your derailing the thread with Kate, me, Neon, Jack (but you won't engage with Rondo, why?) saying I've blown my top or an a frozen mafia (I've probs been playing longer than your age lmao) and I should be elimmed bc its generating question marks. ( but only to you and your pal Creature). Yes I believe you are bad. After more 24+ hours of discussion not just a few hours like yourself.

I never returned bc 1- rl
2- there is no town advantage to a thread derail by someone's tunnel vision.

You dug a hole for yourself with your aggro stances. Which earns you my vote. Enjoy.
Vote: Alison

What the fuck is this word salad? if she flips wolf I think its higher equity with Alison?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:47 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:39 pm Greetings.

Never had the opportunity to read the past 10 pages and will be in and out during EoD.

That being the case I'm going to just review current votes and go from there while vetoing bad wagons.

Alison: Too many wolf leans to be pure I think. Jack, Sig and Seanzie are all in my realm of "could be wolf." More recent posts I've seen of Seanzie makes me doubt my earlier suspicion and I feel they are the most towny of the three.

Baudib: I town read all three of Neon, Falcon and Dennis. Good Wagon. Can be pure.

Creature: Just Mac. Could be pure.

Falcon: Bereft. While I don't have any immediate scum lean on Bereft, this is a bad wagon. Falcon is clearly in his town meta.

Jack of Hearts: SPF and Baudib. I don't really disagree with the suspicion on JoH, but I don't know if I trust Baudib as it stands. 50/50.

Porscha: Tutuu, I don't think this is a good vote, even if pure. Porscha would be an easier catch later if they do eventually wolf tell.

Roxy: Lucy, Alison, Creature. I disagree with this wagon. Likely not pure.

Seanzie: Rondo and I, though I'll likely change. Rondo is a town lean, likely pure wagon.

Who are the wolves on the porscha wagon?

There isn't one most likely.

I just don't think Porscha is a correct vote as it stands and think to veto it.

Oh my bad I meant Roxy

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:48 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:46 pm god that was so scummy by roxy ngl
and rondo's last post + cc was probably town

I disagree about Rox.
Rondo seems fine so far to me

Id hope so it wouldn't be great to vote me

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:47 pm rondo is the towniest person who has expressed concerns about baub and he isn't even on the baub wagon

Yeahhhh tutuus post has really made me gun shy for it

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:48 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:21 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:15 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:13 pm

Jack: you and I both know, so just remember when we play another game for higher stakes, bub.

Your push on me is so ill advised that you've become a bigger wagon than me even without me pushing you at all.

Everything you're complaining about me doing, you're doing. I'm not doing enough by just pushing Alison? You're not doing enough by just pushing me.

Only I'm pushing a wolf and you're pushing a townie. If you really are town and you really can't get over this, at least do something else useful so people stop thinking you're a wolf.

Bub you can’t even make a half-convincing case that you’re unaware of my alignment. I’m not the one trolling the thread with useless nonsense. I have plenty of other thoughts on other people in the game, and you don’t.

You are frustrating.

What is your take on Baudib?

You asked this of me. I did the work. You prompted to ignore it and do the opposite of the outcome. Why?

Uhh... what are you talking about? You concluded Baudib was bad if I didn't misunderstand you.

Yes but common parlance is to at least acknowledge and regard a post someone makes because you asked them to and to critique and bolster. You just did some random voting and ignored it. For someone who has been critical of me all game this is an irregular outcome

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:54 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:50 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:43 pm @Roxy I am confirmed town, vote Jack

Yeah I know but that does not mean your reads are correct. I killed the Dr my first try Abbeville I was left alone. Tried to get you to see Golden as doc but you were uber focused on Kate and we missed 2 nks. Bc you would not listen about protections.


Tbh I feel my read here is far more accurate.

I'm sorry if you feel this is mean but I'm trying my best for the town.

nice one hitting at my credibility lmao
it's not that i believe alison is town
i believe alison's foreign playstyle has titled you, and if the wagons are you/alison you are always dying here and it could be v/v, so i want your vote on jack
and lynching town alison is game losing

Why is Rox always dying here if it’s Rox vs Alison?

Please go easier on Lucy she is town

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:04 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:58 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.

god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison

This post means nothing.

And no.

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine
I still want to be voting sean but I do not like your posts recently even if tutuu has been calling you town the reasons are weak

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.

have you not read the game? What is going on here?

Lucy is either Town or IC and I am either IC or Town. We have both CCed each other as Oracle and have not resulted in a dome. Lucy and I are town core. She is more productive because I love chaos so I am happy to give her the lead on the lynch while I do my own thing. Stop doubting her. Both sides of the Oracle want Alison not going over today. (But I would like more Alison posts closer to EOD so I can soul read her)

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:15 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:10 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.

have you not read the game? What is going on here?

Lucy is either Town or IC and I am either IC or Town. We have both CCed each other as Oracle and have not resulted in a dome. Lucy and I are town core. She is more productive because I love chaos so I am happy to give her the lead on the lynch while I do my own thing. Stop doubting her. Both sides of the Oracle want Alison not going over today. (But I would like more Alison posts closer to EOD so I can soul read her)

Being “either town or IC” does not mean “has info and therefore is infallible”

Sure. I have a tinfoil on Alison as well. But the way you are approaching Lucy is tilting her. I do not like it, it makes you look bad. I want to town read you, I dont know why. Be productive instead of destructive please.

@Porscha post more or be declared wolf

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:18 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:16 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:15 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:10 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.

have you not read the game? What is going on here?

Lucy is either Town or IC and I am either IC or Town. We have both CCed each other as Oracle and have not resulted in a dome. Lucy and I are town core. She is more productive because I love chaos so I am happy to give her the lead on the lynch while I do my own thing. Stop doubting her. Both sides of the Oracle want Alison not going over today. (But I would like more Alison posts closer to EOD so I can soul read her)

Being “either town or IC” does not mean “has info and therefore is infallible”

Sure. I have a tinfoil on Alison as well. But the way you are approaching Lucy is tilting her. I do not like it, it makes you look bad. I want to town read you, I dont know why. Be productive instead of destructive please.

How is questioning someone “tilting them” or being destructive?
I’ve questioned her and been respectful in my questioning. I just don’t agree with her assessment

Ok thanks for the clarification I have no issue with this

@sig
@Jackofhearts2005
@Roxy
@fingersplints
@falcon45ca

Alison flips town > who are the wolves on your wagon? Who are the town?

Alison flips wolf > who bussed? who is pure?

@Alison

Same question as above to you. But also if you try to drop a case in the last moments I am going to assume you are wolf.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:25 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:23 pm @sig
@Jackofhearts2005
@Roxy
@fingersplints
@falcon45ca

Alison flips town > who are the wolves on your wagon? Who are the town?

Alison flips wolf > who bussed? who is pure?

If Alison flips town, Jack of course needs to be looked at (and prolly should be investigated anyways)


If Alison flips wolf...well, Jack & Alison could be w/w, scum theatre is a thing after all. Sig feels pure to me tho

Can you case Jack today before EOD?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:09 pm Here's the patented Mac rub.

A lot of people are less playing mafia with a town process and more throwing out thought bubbles and have perspectives that make my lip curl up and make me wish they were playing a different mafia game I'm not in. I begrudge nobody for suspecting or hating the play of these folks.

Wilgy
Jack
Neon
Tutuu
Seanzie
Falcon
Creature

Then there are people who are just like ... not doing much of anything and aren't really redeemable but for whatever reason it seems like there's a moratorium on suspecting them.

Roxy
Finger
Kate

Then there are some players who aren't doing much but they kinda town.

Bereft
Porscha
Dennis

And then there's everyone else. We shall call them "folks who appear to be playing a game of mafia and not a game of scrabble". I like all of them and if you are voting them ur a nerd.

If your name is in the top group and you are town please have a strong coffee, freshly evaluate the game and make some posts that are designed purposefully to be read and understood by a belligerent old townie person so I can stop hating your existence.

Thanks.

Mac is this still how you feel?

Town/No yeet==
Alison (she/her)
Baudib1 (he/him)
lucy (she/her)
RondoDimBuckle (any/Rondo)
sig (he/him)
staypositivefriend (she/her)

Kinda town==
Bereft
Porscha
Dennis

null==
Roxy
Finger
Kate

scum/yeet==
Wilgy
Jack
Neon
Tutuu
Seanzie
Falcon
Creature


What are your opinions on sig, Jackofhearts2005, Roxy, fingersplints, falcon45ca for voting Alison and how does that change the above list?

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:29 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:22 pm be back in 40 minutes, to explain myself i now trust alison's read as roxy is being scummy as fuck
the level 2 reason i switched to roxy is because of the 2 votes already on roxy, since it's looking like roxy/alison wagons today
the level 3 reason is alison's alignment will become more clear after roxy flips, and roxy probbaly flips scum

You cannot read anyone.

This is not helpful to me not wanting to yeet you. Trying to antagonise Lucy is a anti-town at best and straight scum at worst. If you are trying to tilt a town that is a town leader you are trying to keep them from looking elsewhere or bait them into voting you. Roxy could be Zealot from how she is playing imho. Please fact check me anyone else.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:30 pm also i know i said i thought sig could be mafia but i ISO'd him and changed my mind

show your work

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:29 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:04 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:55 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:50 pm ftr im insecure about my vote on jack and im not sure that im going to hold there

i just prefer him over the baud/alison wagons atm

What wagon(s) would you prefer instead?

i perceive the pool of creature/splints/falcon/sig as being likely to contain at least 2 wolves

I would guess you are probably correct.

I would say of the people casing/pushing me, Rondo is almost certainly town; Seanzie feels genuine; Falcon seems extremely sus. Bereft feels pure and his casing of Falcon was solid work.

Splints/sig/wilgy are flying utr.

Roxy seems rand to me; I think the pushback on Alison is likely at least partially wolf-driven though that doesn't mean much for Roxy's alignment imo.

Pretty tough to yeet mafia in this game state with 5 living so if you want to move to another wagon please @me, i'm out of posts. Who else do you trust?

i townread mac, lucy, bereft, tutuu, you, and sig roughly in that order. i'm not willing to vote for alison today even though i'm not sure about her alignment

i had fingersplints as a light townlean but she just hopped on alison in a way that extremely rubs me the wrong way

rest of the game feels kind of inscrutable to me rn

If you town read lucy why do you not town read me? What is your opinion on all the current wagons?


Additionally Wilgy has reignited my sus on Bau.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:34 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:23 pm @sig
@Jackofhearts2005
@Roxy
@fingersplints
@falcon45ca

Alison flips town > who are the wolves on your wagon? Who are the town?

Alison flips wolf > who bussed? who is pure?

Well I’ll say it’s possible for us all to be civ unless mafia is also up to be voted off. However, I’d eye Falcon or Splints the most of us.

If she flips mafia then Myself and Jack are town for sure and I’d say roxy looks very good. But, given the game State I think it would depend on Indy player style whether they’d bus or even vote for a top wagon.


Realistically I’d say the players voting off major wagons should be eyed closely if Alison doesn’t flip mafia and we aren’t thinking the counter wagons are mafia either

I currently feel like Falcon is town, can you scum case him? I also feel like Splints is town can you scum case them?

Why is Jack town? Why not w/w Alison/Jack? or w/w Roxy/Alison? I say this because I have meta on Alison that she loves to do this kind of stuff to get unaligned with partners so when she flips it looks bad. But its just wifom I guess.

Tell me about the counter wagons then, do you think they are town? Are the people on them more or less likely wolf?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:22 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.

Do you really think Baudib is mafia? I'd love an explanation on this.

See above. I'd say it's like a 70% read.

Oh also the above doesn't even include the early Kate wagon shit. Early Kate wagon and me thinking Kate is 90% town now has me really think to solve between Creature and Baudib.

What did you think of my case on Bau?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:42 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:12 pm @DrWilgy I don't know how you go about social interactions, but i'm autistic so socializing is hard, i come into every social interaction with an agenda, usually for nothing if not for it to be normal

i am good at chess and come into an agenda before "rand"

i am strong at calculating and i've calculated out everything already, i am sorry if this is foreign play to you, but why the fuck are you doing what you're doing?

Aye, even so, if I see data pushing people certain directions, but I don't see what lead them along that path, then what am I to assume?

Like I get having a "game plan" but you've pushed for people to get off Alison and onto me for reasons I didn't see, (I asked you about these), you've jumped very quickly between multiple people and the dots do not connect to me. The only one that I have drawn a logical conclusion to you getting to is your read on Roxy, and I believe that comes from discourse in Mafia playstyle.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:43 pm Spoiler replies to mass amounts of tags

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:15 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:46 am Hello, good evening.

Just checking in as I haven't really read since I left earlier, just did some quick skimming.

@lucy, you advised people off Alison and onto me. Why me in particular? I don't think I saw the reason if it was given.

@MacDougall what's your read on Neon? How about Falcon? Why?

Why do you ask?

I don't think I need to provide a reason here. Why would I? Are we playing 5d chess?

Given I dislike the line of enquiry, unless you have a hypothesis you are going to share with me I'm not going to humour you with a response. Not that it's all that relevant anymore.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:49 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:51 am My tinfoil is that Jack and Alison are w/w.

What do you think of Baudib's assertion that Jack has done nothing but troll?

Especially in light of this read.

In this hypothetical scenario, Baudib would be pocketed by Alison not really being scummy at all (similarly to me) and is tilted by Jack pushing Alison as w/w with TMI.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:53 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:50 pm I don’t have any opinions on anyone’s reads lists.

That's concerning to the point of me doubting it's truth.

@Creature, we just going to ignore my reasons for my wr list that I posted earlier?

I think I don't know creatures wolf range well enough, I can postulate both "maybe I'm in argument with a town that communicates differently from my expectations" and "damn, creature is putting down some scummy posts."

The things you are choosing to focus on and talk about and place importance on just don't feel like relevant and town mindset things to me.

Ah, yes, let's just invalidate the data.

You're just posting weird. My focus areas and the things that I have found interesting in this game you have largely ignored in favour of things that I just don't care about. You are not alone so it's possibly a me thing.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:31 pm Creature and Alison are terrible votes today.


@MacDougall @staypositivefriend
I realize it’s inevitable but I dislike meta reads since they are obviously exploitable and mutable and regardless of what you think of Creature’s game, he is indeed playing the game and at least giving the appearance of trying to discern alignments, which is more than what 3/4 of the player list is doing. Also multiple people here claim to be master reads of Creature, who becomes obvtown or obvwolf later in the game. Let’s find a Wolfy player who isn’t doing anything.

Hmmm. Maybe I'm wrong about everything.

What the fuck did I just read? Mac flip flopping on wilgy?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:46 pm This may come across like a cop out but I don't really care who dies anymore today. I'm too turned around on my perspectives to really feel confident pushing anywhere without further information and feel like day 1 has been productive for retro already and the gamestate feels unproductive to really bother picking through in an active realtiming fashion without a flip to base myself off.

I don't really want to shield anyone either.

ok

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
+not responding to my direct question but a bunch of wilgy's

NGL I am enjoying the level of flip flopping Mac has on me this game. It feeds me. ATM I feel like it comes from town Mac not wanting to be caught again

Damn it Tutuu, I was doing a thing

40 minutes out vote count

Just a reminder that there are two floating votes:

@Kate
@Porscha


vote before 15 minutes left or dont vote. After that I will consider you wolves

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:30 pm Sorry guys been busy all day and then got called into work
Who wants my sheep vote
Bark for me for my vote

what is your actual thoughts on the game instead of just sheeping? Maybe we should flash wagon porscha or creature (He is first to blink on finger wagon)

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:31 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:19 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:27 pm [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine

You have me as scum lean yet you join me on a vote???

Why does my suspicion on you mean I can't find other people suspicious, and why does your vote matter at all

Because If I am scum the person I am voting is more or less likely as town? You should have an opinion on who I vote if you think I am scum. You have an opinion on me it should effect your opinion on what I am doing and the fact that you match. This is a strange response @Kate unpack please

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:41 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:40 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:39 pm @Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks

Why? I thought you preferred fingersplints

in an ideal world, where finger could possibly be unlynchable, i am trying to get a second wagon that isn't alison

host clarified, no lynch no second lynch, just bupkis. Alison will not be lynched

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:45 pm yeah hmmm, everone on splints
@fingersplints what's up

I would prefer some waganomics so not everyone on splints. You gotta see where other people go and we need a viable second wagon at least

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:47 pm i am going zealot hunting with my ability, zealot doesn't pick a card and essentially they get the death card every night, i find that and i find gold

I kind of disagree, what does it gain us as town? We need to hit cultists. The zealot is the most comfortable person in the game (or perhaps Roxy for reasons stated earlier) If we hit cultists they get less cards so more chances for us to get the 'anti-town' cards that I dont believe are anti-town and we can use them for our benefit. The longer we dont hit cultists the more cards they draw and the less cards town draws

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:51 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:49 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:47 pm i am going zealot hunting with my ability, zealot doesn't pick a card and essentially they get the death card every night, i find that and i find gold

I kind of disagree, what does it gain us as town? We need to hit cultists. The zealot is the most comfortable person in the game (or perhaps Roxy for reasons stated earlier) If we hit cultists they get less cards so more chances for us to get the 'anti-town' cards that I dont believe are anti-town and we can use them for our benefit. The longer we dont hit cultists the more cards they draw and the less cards town draws

the fuck are cultists?
guess i'll investigate tonight

the zealots buddies

10 and 20 minutes left top to bottom

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:52 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:51 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:51 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:49 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:47 pm i am going zealot hunting with my ability, zealot doesn't pick a card and essentially they get the death card every night, i find that and i find gold

I kind of disagree, what does it gain us as town? We need to hit cultists. The zealot is the most comfortable person in the game (or perhaps Roxy for reasons stated earlier) If we hit cultists they get less cards so more chances for us to get the 'anti-town' cards that I dont believe are anti-town and we can use them for our benefit. The longer we dont hit cultists the more cards they draw and the less cards town draws

the fuck are cultists?
guess i'll investigate tonight

the zealots buddies

oh, go on finger
and i have a smart plan for ability, hope you know it too

Well, I was doing waganomics but I guess there is no point there will be no movement from here

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:54 pm I would like to say Lucy telling people what to do makes it really easy for wolves to blend in I think

yes I personally dislike it but I am letting her do her process, Ender has told me to trust her in the past so I am exercising that in this game

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:55 pm I have already solved the entire game with my legacy, please refer to it.

Kill whoever you want, I don't care, I've already given you the path to victory and it's on you if you refuse to follow it.

if you die dont worry I will sheep

I have 5 more posts

four

three

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:58 pm lucy is top 5 town players in this list and her word should be trusted. Whether you want to blindly sheep her or not is up to you but if people go around saying that lucy is a bad player and shouldn't be trusted they are mafia. This is a big reason why Roxy is scummy that people are overlooking.

110% agree

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