The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:12 pm Good afternoon. I will not backread anything except Scotty's ISO.

[VOTE: motel room] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:19 pm I am sorry but you will not get top form Alison this game. I was on a month break from mafia for personal reasons and I only subbed into this game to help Syn out. JJJ killed a scum D1 so I will sheep him. Mac is probably scum for voting town JJJ. Nanook is probably scum for sheeping Mac onto a bad vote. motel room is probably scum because Scotty treated him really awkwardly. tutuu says there's some interactions with falcon and I think she's town so I'll trust her.

That's all I have for now.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:22 pm NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
falcon45ca
motel room
NotAnAxehole
MacDougall

I took out the names I cleared. This is the POE that remains. If anyone has a reason to clear one of these names or to un-clear someone I cleared, speak up.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:29 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:23 pm I also easily could've saved OR bussed scotty at eod, so whichever you think my meta is i should be a relatively easy townread atp

Meh. W/T wagons means someone who's off both wagons is more suspicious. Lots of wolves don't want to make a hard choice between looking really bad by outing to save a teammate or sealing their fate by bussing so they sit on a vanity wagon and pray. Tell me why you wouldn't be one of those wolves.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:30 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:28 pm Prediction: Scotty doesn't die if Dyson is town.

I also have a narrow Poe I'm ok voting in. Lomo/Alison makes a lot of sense for a mafia slot if Dyson is town due to the lack of self preservation.

If you're referring to LoMo not showing up at EOD to self pres, he is a chronic slanker and will happily afk as both alignments without regard for his survival.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:45 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:43 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:40 pmI'm serious.

I don't think I've ever given a shit about looking bad in that way

Like

I either bus scotty for the cred or I save him, I dont leave it to rand, that's the worst of both worlds

I could've easily justified either choice

This is exactly what you did in Modern Family.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:39 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:37 pm Iirc my PoE after flip was

Alison
Dyson
Misery
Nanook (only if also with Dyson)

I might be forgetting someone, but I think all of the mafia are in the above list. Maybe Alison / misery are the optimal kills today then, not Dyson.

I think only one person on this list is likely to be mafia and it's the person with the caveat, so

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:47 pm For those not familiar with the meta: in Modern Family, T&T (scum) was tied with BT (town) in 4-4. Nanook (scum) voted Mana, a smaller wagon also on town, pushing it to 3 votes instead of making a hard call whether to bus T&T or save them. It is quite literally an exact replica of the situation here.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:26 pm so basically if it's not NAA/Falcon or TSP/Falcon then it's probably ?

Then it's probably just motel and nook

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:26 pm so basically if it's not NAA/Falcon or TSP/Falcon then it's probably ?

Then it's probably just motel and nook

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:37 pm Hi.

I don't have much to add from what I've said before. motel has contributed 0 to the collective attempt to hammer out a POE that has been going on today. They pop in, OMGUS me, pop out. I am still very happy to kill them.

I have read nothing from TSP. I don't think any of Falcon's posts today has moved me greatly one way or another, and I haven't read his D1. If there are particular D1 posts from him you found townie, TSP, please highlight them.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:53 pm NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
falcon45ca
motel room
NotAnAxehole

Here's where I stand as far as POE goes. Amongst these five players, there is a sentiment that Nanook is town expressed by Axe, tutuu, and Jay. I don't buy the argument that he definitively would have committed to a push on either Scotty or Dyson if he was mafia. Axe seems to believe this narrative. tutuu and Jay are townreading him for other, unknown reasons - presumably he posted some townie things D1 or something.

I don't have a strong reason to especially scumread Nanook other than the fact that he was parked on a bad wagon. I don't believe the story that he would never do that as scum; I think he is well capable of doing so. But most of the people in the POE were parked on bad wagons, and if other people say his posts are townie, or have a GTH villager read on him, I'm content to place him higher (ie. less of a priority) in the POE.

I've spoken about motel. TSP is a blank for me; I'm not great at reading him in general and he hasn't given me much to work with here either. Falcon's poor interactions with Scotty has been highlighted. I'm fairly good at getting there when Falcon is town, even if he's under suspicion; I don't see anything that would lead me to think he's being wrongly suspected here. He can go in the lower POE for that.

NAA is pushing bad reads, but this is NAI for him. He had a slight spark of townieness in the contrarian way he approached the POE, slotting Dyson and Mizery in and clearing Falcon. I think this is townie for him. I don't think he hardpushes me if motel room is his partner; motel gets auto'd off my legacy and then he is in trouble for taking that stance. If motel room is his partner I'd expect him to try to keep me alive a bit to keep the outcome of that suspicion uncertain (a la dizzy and alison in basic mafia). If he's partners with nook it would be strange of him to hardclear someone who is very easily exeable before nook is. That I can plausibly read him as being non-aligned with two other people in the POE (one of whom is my strongest scumread) is a plus point for him.

I'd order my POE as follows, towniest to scummiest:
NAA
Nanook
TSP
Falcon
motel

I continue to feel satisfied with my clears, and I think following this POE should win the game.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:22 pm Something of note: both TSP and Axe, who are in the POE, (both mine and the game's collective POE) seem eager to clear Falcon, who is currently a major suspect. I don't think they would do this if they were teamed with someone else in the POE that wasn't Falcon since in that world Falcon is town and they need his misexe. So if they are mafia they are most likely teamed with Falcon.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:36 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:34 am Six confident town reads, if correct, mean the game is locked and everything else is just time spent waiting for the inevitable. It'd be cool if folks could gimme six town reads or more if they've not already.

JJJ, Rondo, MR, tutuu, Dyson, Mac. I'm confident in all of 'em.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:40 pm LC
MR
axehole
rondo
TSP
scotty
mac
probably nook

my town reads as of 6.40pm on august 11

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:07 am dunya
Lime Coke/JJJ
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime
RondoDimBuckle
Master Radishes
Mizery
MacDougall
NotAnAxehole

^ pretty confident in reasons to call these folks town in that order, with possible error on one who would be in the bottom three of that tier.

Dyson sphere

^ will shield for at least day 1 and day 2 cos i haven't played with dyson in YEARS and will not allow him to be mischopped. also i think he's more likely town here from his response re: motel room.

motel room

^ probably just town here, i trust jay's analysis on everything that isn't the discord stuff specifically. i jumped the shark there. interesting would to be note the reactions of people who didn't correct me. ill iso later too now that my red colored glasses are off

tutuu
lost monkey
falcon45ca
Scotty

^ my poe as of august 12 11.05am

tonally, scotty is still the worst of them. LM probabbbbbly just town, but it's so hard for me to ever read a low poster confidently.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:40 am rondo
falcon
scotty

i dont think all three of them are mafia, but i am 100% sure mafia lies within those three.

don't like the whole reaction of scotty, i dunno why jay moved off him for silly reasons, but undermining my genuine case on him the way he did is defo something wolves have done with me before just cos i can't articulate my suspicions in big shiny cases like most ccan

falcon feels like the mischop if thread activity is anything to go by.

if falcon is town, it could mean rondo and scotty are both w. or one of them still is. if falcon is mafia, then rondo is likely town based on voting patterns i think.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:43 pm i think tutuu is just town here based on her last mega mammoth post.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:46 pm @Dyson sphere definitely play at your pace and how you like; no one can ask anything else from you! you're already doing a great job cos i actively town read you, your progression on jay is believable, you're basically Innocent Child walking now. half the game is about not being chopped and the other half hunting for the right scum.

jay isn't mafia, and i'll watch 1 season of whatever show you want if he flips mafia.

but let me ask you something else since you said everyone but jay seems town-- who is your biggest Town read from everyone else or if you can biggest TWO?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:21 am

Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:16 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:06 am

Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:49 am I think everyone in this game is town, except JJJ. He is clearly mafia. If a player gets replaced, do they get a new alignment or is it always the same one the original player had?

it is the same role card, dyson. i've played many games with jay over the last few years and what if i told you i'm certain he's town?

Wait, so if JJJ is mafia, then you are either mafia too or you are mistaken

yes, if jjj is mafia, i'm mafia too. willing to bet on that.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:09 pm Town:
Tutuu
Mizery
Radish
Scotty
Axehole
Lime
Uhhh music symbol guy

Gut town:
TSP
Dunya
Island. Motel?

Null:
Mac
Nook

Gut scum:
Monkey
Dyson
Falcon

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:54 pm tutuu
radish
jay
rondo

dyson
mizery

axehole
nook
motel
mac
TSP

alison
falcon

also a pocket scum world of some weird shit like dyson + mizery (mizery sees both partners tied at max votes, says fuck this shit)

Why did NAA & motel move from town to null?


TBH, I'm not seeing much in the way of read progression here...your town is still by and large your town, and your scum is still by and large your scum. This is over 12 pages of gameplay.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:38 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:19 pm falcon's D1 is villagery in tone and approach - I agree with Tony on this. As town he shotguns out a lot of pokes and prods. Most will miss and be smoothed over. A few will hit the mark and he will leap on them. As scum he does the same thing, but instead of a shotgun it's an aimed rifle, and all of the bullets miraculously hit the mark so he has a reason to vote out townies. (See: Bee Mafia.)

The following two posts are to his credit:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:18 pm I just called Ms Cleo, and LC, Dyson, & motel are all Maf.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:05 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:08 am Are you implying that dyson and lomo are potential mischops?

Like, we’re not chopping like lomo today even if he doesn’t post any more, but I always prefer content over no content. Don’t you?

Are you implying they are not potential mischops?

The first one is just vintage town Falcon, tonally. He's capable of being aggressive as scum but I don't think it's aggressive to the extent that he comes out fearlessly swinging at three people.

The second one was Scotty trying to cast shade on MR (who I think is town) and falcon poking at Scotty/undermining it.

This post is not to his credit:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:14 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:06 pm I literally don’t know what to make of dyson. He is…actually a vaccuum.

My favorite is falcon needling him, then immediately voting for Mizery. Very easy to touch and back off for cred if dyson is bad

I stand by my falcon vote

This reads like a soft shade of Dyson & attempt to label a top tier town as teammate should Dyson get flipped.


I like the pun at the start, helps sell the whole thing

Because he seems to believe that Scotty is setting him up for a misexe, but votes Dyson three posts later over Scotty without anything in particular happening that should push him there. He does seem to believe that Dyson/Scotty are teamed in this post, but I'd expect town Falcon to more aggressively bury Scotty here - he's temperamental, and he hates being set up by mafia. Also, his own logic ("soft shade of Dyson") seems to suggest that scum Scotty/town Dyson is a possibility, so it's strange to me that he chooses to vote Dyson over Scotty.

My end verdict on Falcon is that I agree with TSP's read that he's been townie D1 on play alone. He has a good looking interaction with Scotty to his name. He also has a couple of bad interactions and his voting patterns haven't been the best. I would bump him to the upper POE for that, but I wouldn't take him out of the POE entirely.

I asked Syn what was the repercussion of posting beyond the cap, and was handcuffed by losing my vote. I asked for a 10 post forgiveness and was told no.

Alison is like an xray machine on my meta to which I have no lead cape. I wish I could meet her in person. Beluga Whale and 112 are the only others who read me as accurately.

It makes me smile tbh, and since I'm not nearly as good at reading her, it's only mildly immasculating.