The Syndicate

lol, gg everyone. <2

Oh wait, I guess it wasn't your plan for us BOTH to get chopped? Is that it?

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:02 pm Moon are you intending to vote out dizzy rn

Shouldn't you have asked me this ten minutes ago? Instead of two minutes before voting closes?

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:58 pm If Moonwink does end up voting out Dizzu that is very aaaaaa tbh

Unless dizzy is just randomly w

Maybe we should have talked about this earlier, hmm?

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:56 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:55 pm @Dolby
unvote: Rondo
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

How about now?
You and Mac have been expertly distancing since the start of the game, forming the MM team

@Dolby
unvote: Rondo
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

How about now?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:52 pm Yeah, so Moon is town.
And my only hope is that Rondo is somewhat randomly mafia. Which is doubtful, unless it's Rondo/Wilgy or Rondo/Ender. It's possible, but doubtful.

HK/Dolby/Ender <-- something in there is not right. Gl gl

I'm down to make something happen with you, me, and Dolby. Down to get HK, definitely.

@Dolby
What do you think of this?
unvote: Dolby
[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

Moonwink wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:49 pm Y'know, the saddest part of all this?

At this point at EoD, this is when I'd usually suggest flash wagoning someone completely random.

However, I don't even think we've got enough people here to do that with.

This game is stupid.

If we had enough people, I'd probably suggest Mac just so that I could see his reaction post-game.

Y'know, the saddest part of all this?

At this point at EoD, this is when I'd usually suggest flash wagoning someone completely random.

However, I don't even think we've got enough people here to do that with.

This game is stupid.

I think people just like to argue with me and see me get chopped.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:47 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:45 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:44 pm moon’s voting behavior here makes me think she’s a wolf with dizzy or trying to spew dizzy as her partner
Yes
Are you wolf though?

Nope

Moonwink wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:45 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:44 pm moon’s voting behavior here makes me think she’s a wolf with dizzy or trying to spew dizzy as her partner
Yes

Or...

BIG OR...

I could be doing what I said I was going to do, and try to give my townreads another day -- Wilgy and Dizzy

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:44 pm moon’s voting behavior here makes me think she’s a wolf with dizzy or trying to spew dizzy as her partner

Yes

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:37 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:37 pm unvote: Mac
[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine
Moon/Dizzy team stocks rising tbh

lol

unvote: Mac
[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

I'm done posting. Later.

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:40 pm When and why did you start wolf reading hk

After that stuff he said about my interaction with Mac. That stuff I called BS on.

As long as Dizzy and Wilgy do NOT get chopped, I'm happy with any chop at this point. I'll try to find more town tomorrow.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:37 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:35 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:33 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:32 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:31 pm @Moonwink Do you still stand behind your Mac vote, the null read?
Yes, I'm doubling down on it.
You said that.

I was wondering if you were ok voting him, seeing as he is a null read so not really a wolf read. Do you have any wolf reads?
Yes, I am okay with voting him, because my votes right now don't even mean anything. I never lock in any of my votes THAT early. In fact, anyone who has played with me know that I'll use my votes just to mess with people up until, like, the last 30 minutes of the day. I've placed votes on people I've townread in the last 15 minutes just to see if anyone would move and why.
As for wolf reads? I don't have anything outside of what I gave earlier, and those were weak reads. I guess Porscha, Dolby, and HK?

Like, to me, the bigger things I got out of today were townreads on you and on Wilgy. I feel way more confident using my townreads to eventually PoE people than I am to actually scumhunt.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:35 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:33 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:32 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:31 pm @Moonwink Do you still stand behind your Mac vote, the null read?
Yes, I'm doubling down on it.
You said that.

I was wondering if you were ok voting him, seeing as he is a null read so not really a wolf read. Do you have any wolf reads?
Yes, I am okay with voting him, because my votes right now don't even mean anything. I never lock in any of my votes THAT early. In fact, anyone who has played with me know that I'll use my votes just to mess with people up until, like, the last 30 minutes of the day. I've placed votes on people I've townread in the last 15 minutes just to see if anyone would move and why.

As for wolf reads? I don't have anything outside of what I gave earlier, and those were weak reads. I guess Porscha, Dolby, and HK?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:33 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:32 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:31 pm @Moonwink Do you still stand behind your Mac vote, the null read?
Yes, I'm doubling down on it.
You said that.

I was wondering if you were ok voting him, seeing as he is a null read so not really a wolf read. Do you have any wolf reads?

Yes, I am okay with voting him, because my votes right now don't even mean anything. I never lock in any of my votes THAT early. In fact, anyone who has played with me know that I'll use my votes just to mess with people up until, like, the last 30 minutes of the day. I've placed votes on people I've townread in the last 15 minutes just to see if anyone would move and why.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:31 pm @Moonwink Do you still stand behind your Mac vote, the null read?

Yes, I'm doubling down on it.

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:23 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:19 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:04 am
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:24 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:23 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:12 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:10 pm

Porscha reads like she's struggle-posting would be the best way to put it. Like nothing is seriously wrong but her posts read like they took effort to make.
Sure.

I asked about Moon though. =p
lol that you did. I had Porsches on the brain.

Moon... it's their mac posts and the way they interacted with you. it doesn't *feel* good.
I call BS on the Mac stuff. What Mac did is no different than what he usually does to me on D1 when he's trying to get a feel for me. He's done this as both alignments to me.
re: he's done this as both alignments to you

do you feel like he's trying to vote you off or trying to get a feel for you an what does getting a feel for you entail from scum him
Moon misses my point there as well. It's not how Mac treated Moon, it's how Moon backed off of how they were reading mac and saying "oh I was just trolling".
Then there's this:
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:24 pm I don't really have anything to say about Mac at the moment. I got the reaction that I thought I was going to get, but I don't think it's anything I can read into this early. Straight up null.

I've liked my interactions with Dizzy so far in spite of the read I gave out earlier? I'd probably put them higher in my reads list than Mac atm.
If you were trying to get a reaction, and you thought you might get the reaction that you did get, null as a conclusion seems really not great.
Yeah I had both of those thoughts, didn’t say anything about them but did have them.

Actually kinda did say the first one with addressing moon’s null read on Mac to dizzy

Again, the interaction didn't continue after he voted me back. Even after I threw another troll vote at him. I don't know why he's chosen to not interact with me. Fuck, I've been busy myself and haven't been able to post much -- he could be in a similar situation. Based off the limited interaction I had with him, he is null. I'm doubling down on it.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:19 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:04 am
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:24 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:23 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:12 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:10 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:09 pm @hollowkatt Why is Moon slop? His buddying of me is beautiful tbh

I don't know anything. I want everyone to post way more
Porscha reads like she's struggle-posting would be the best way to put it. Like nothing is seriously wrong but her posts read like they took effort to make.
Sure.

I asked about Moon though. =p
lol that you did. I had Porsches on the brain.

Moon... it's their mac posts and the way they interacted with you. it doesn't *feel* good.
I call BS on the Mac stuff. What Mac did is no different than what he usually does to me on D1 when he's trying to get a feel for me. He's done this as both alignments to me.
re: he's done this as both alignments to you

do you feel like he's trying to vote you off or trying to get a feel for you an what does getting a feel for you entail from scum him
Moon misses my point there as well. It's not how Mac treated Moon, it's how Moon backed off of how they were reading mac and saying "oh I was just trolling".
Then there's this:
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:24 pm I don't really have anything to say about Mac at the moment. I got the reaction that I thought I was going to get, but I don't think it's anything I can read into this early. Straight up null.

I've liked my interactions with Dizzy so far in spite of the read I gave out earlier? I'd probably put them higher in my reads list than Mac atm.
If you were trying to get a reaction, and you thought you might get the reaction that you did get, null as a conclusion seems really not great.

I didn't miss your point though. I was explaining to you WHY I was reading them null, because that was pretty much my only genuine interaction I had with them. I gave him a poke, expected a poke back, then what usually would have happened was we'd continue bantering with each other until we properly felt each other out and got an initial read on each other. That did NOT happen. So, I don't know if he's reaction testing me or if he's actually pushing me. It literally didn't go anywhere, even after I revoted him.

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:17 pm Ok Moonwink

Talk to me about why Ender is towny

Talk to me about how me fucking around at start of day is meaningfully different from what Rondo did

Idk I’ll think of other things

Oh yeah

Convince me why Porscha Dizzy/you stuff should have been read as bad

Based on the limited exposure I had to Ender at the point where I made that read, I just got more of a towny vibe from them than others.

As for you, it wasn't you fucking around at SoD. I fucked around, too. Your fucking around though just felt more awkward and stilted to me.

As for the Porscha stuff, again, it came down to vibes. I was simply throwing out stuff that I thought weird and could be AI.

The first 24 hours of any game for me comes down to just vibes, because that's really all I've got at that point.

I don't have a lot of time to play today before EoD, so please here me out.

Give me at least another day.

I don't feel like I've done or said anything unreasonable. I'm doubling down on Mac = null read because, again, he does this "Hyena is scum <vote hyena>" routine in almost /every/ game I'm in with him regardless of alignment. There is absolutely NOTHING alignment indicative about it from my PoV.

I've tried to give out reads on everyone based on what I could find in the read. I think it's magnitudes better than what other folks have had to offer so far, if not in accuracy then definitely in attempting to get people talking.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:29 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:24 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:23 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:12 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:10 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:09 pm @hollowkatt Why is Moon slop? His buddying of me is beautiful tbh

I don't know anything. I want everyone to post way more
Porscha reads like she's struggle-posting would be the best way to put it. Like nothing is seriously wrong but her posts read like they took effort to make.
Sure.

I asked about Moon though. =p
lol that you did. I had Porsches on the brain.

Moon... it's their mac posts and the way they interacted with you. it doesn't *feel* good.
I call BS on the Mac stuff. What Mac did is no different than what he usually does to me on D1 when he's trying to get a feel for me. He's done this as both alignments to me.
I'm not talking about Mac posting towards you, I'm talking about you posting about Mac after that.

The null read I gave on him, right? That reason above is WHERE it came from.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:52 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:24 pm I don't really have anything to say about Mac at the moment. I got the reaction that I thought I was going to get, but I don't think it's anything I can read into this early. Straight up null.

I've liked my interactions with Dizzy so far in spite of the read I gave out earlier? I'd probably put them higher in my reads list than Mac atm.
I guess let me ask you this, if you were reaction fishing, how do you get the reaction and then feel null.

There's gotta be somethin right?

Because the reaction I got was no different than what I usually get from Mac. See my above post to HK.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:23 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:12 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:10 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:09 pm @hollowkatt Why is Moon slop? His buddying of me is beautiful tbh

I don't know anything. I want everyone to post way more
Porscha reads like she's struggle-posting would be the best way to put it. Like nothing is seriously wrong but her posts read like they took effort to make.
Sure.

I asked about Moon though. =p
lol that you did. I had Porsches on the brain.

Moon... it's their mac posts and the way they interacted with you. it doesn't *feel* good.

I call BS on the Mac stuff. What Mac did is no different than what he usually does to me on D1 when he's trying to get a feel for me. He's done this as both alignments to me.

Final ordered read list for me:
Dizzy
Wilgy
--gap--
Ender
HK
Falcon
Mac
Rondo
--gap--
Porscha
Dolby

Ender sheeping Mac came off as towny to me. I'd put them above HK and below Wilgy, but there's a huge gap between Wilgy and Ender.

Porscha is under Rondo for the aforementioned stuff regarding the vote on me and the non-vote on Dizzy.

Falcon didn't vote for me. Don't have anything else on them. Probably between HK and Mac in my reads.

I don't know anything about Rondo. My vote on them was to see how they'd react. I don't have enough data yet to understand how they're playing yet. I'd put them in the Mac+HK cluster, and in that cluster, I think I'd order it HK > Mac > Rondo. HK because, selfishly, I'm going to like people who townread me more. Rondo because I know the least about them.

I feel like Wilgy's votes were designed to get a reaction specifically out of me.

Even if that's not the case, I'd probably put him right below Dizzy right now in my reads.

Current order:
Dizzy
Wilgy
Mac/HK
Dolby

I'd probably put Dolby below Mac in my reads for the heavy focus on Ender earlier. It didn't feel natural to me.

HK is on the same level as Mac -- nothing really jumped out as scummy to me, but I also don't feel like I've got much to read off of him just yet.

I don't really have anything to say about Mac at the moment. I got the reaction that I thought I was going to get, but I don't think it's anything I can read into this early. Straight up null.

I've liked my interactions with Dizzy so far in spite of the read I gave out earlier? I'd probably put them higher in my reads list than Mac atm.

@Dyslexicon, can you place some votes? And please don't vote me. ;-;

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:16 pm @DrWilgy, your votes are tilting me. The feel towny, but holy fuck stop voting me.

Don't move it to Dizzy, but at least move the one on me somewhere else.

@DrWilgy, your votes are tilting me.

The feel towny, but holy fuck stop voting me.

lol

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

Also, Falcon is town for not voting for me.

@Dolby, talk to me about your heavy focus on Ender early game. Those posts felt kinda stilted to me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:02 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:59 pm I'm moving my vote off of Mac and on to Porscha. I just wanted to troll Mac.
Why Porscha?

Because I didn't like that she voted me for Mac, but didn't vote for Dizzy.

I'm moving my vote off of Mac and on to Porscha. I just wanted to troll Mac.

lol

I kinda did ask for it, but I'm surprised that I've already garnered five votes.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:21 am
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:13 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:53 am
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:26 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:58 am hell, I put my second vote on HK for fun (for now)
HK vote good.
Moonwink vote bad!
Why do you think the HK vote is good?
It's good compared to the Moonwink vote!
I wanted you to say something more interesting.

Like start panicking and try to distance from HK.

Why? :3 Wouldn't the better strat be to strongly townread your partner so that you don't BOTH end up as the chops for D1?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:57 am Someone utter a read on me, one way or the other please.

Your bantering with Dolby last night seemed a little too over the top for me, which is why I kinda laughed when Mac brought up yours and my bantering.

I think one or both of you could be scum?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:53 am
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:26 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:58 am hell, I put my second vote on HK for fun (for now)
HK vote good.
Moonwink vote bad!
Why do you think the HK vote is good?

It's good compared to the Moonwink vote!

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