The Syndicate

Paopan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:07 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:57 pm Not voting today: Gav, CR, Porscha.

POE: MissC, MightyQ, Pao
Logically speaking, out of my PoV. For everyone. This is how the PoE should be.

MC> Falcon=Paopan

I do believe MC is the correct lynch for today.
As for the next day. You can either lynch me or falcon. But I'll vote falcon.

if you're presenting reads as objective truth (e.g. you're putting yourself on the same level as someone whose alignment you do not know in falcon) you'd damn well better make a case for them

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:01 am who would have benefitted the most by killing mac?

In the scenario where me and wilgy are both wolf, mac was one of the only people townreading me so I wouldn't have a good reason to off him if wilgy flipped instead of me - which was is what happened

i think after the flip most people are townreading you. i have said i think you're the most likely person outside of my poe to have been bussing wilgy but you're still not in my poe

my poe is pretty solidly pao-falcon-MQ but i will spend the next couple days trying to decide if someone bussed wilgy, where i would lean porscha.

as i have said.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:45 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:43 pm i swear to god it's just MightyQ and any reading of any content is a waste of our time
Oh I’m sure it’s probable but here’s a question, What about Falcon?
I honestly believe he is the wolf here.

You know what how about an even better question.

Paopan eliminated flips town, who’s most likely wolf?

read my posts? i think paopan is the most likely wolf and i would most likely kill falcon after that if pao flips town

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:43 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:42 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:40 pm I now actually think Miss Caro is more likelier wolf then MightyQ.
I still think Falcon is most likely wolf though.
you desperately need to stop clinging to one read and basing the entire rest of the game around it
The read of which Wilgy is Wolf?

that paopan is lock town and immediately moving me down your list because i just said i don't think paopan's town

i swear to god it's just MightyQ and any reading of any content is a waste of our time

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:40 pm I now actually think Miss Caro is more likelier wolf then MightyQ.
I still think Falcon is most likely wolf though.

you desperately need to stop clinging to one read and basing the entire rest of the game around it

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:37 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:35 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:34 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:33 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:31 pm @Paopan
@CRichard
@MightyQ
@falcon45ca
@Porscha
@Miss Carousel

I’d like to request you all to make your full reads from most confident to least confident.
Here’s mine:
Paopan
Porscha
CRichard
Miss Caro
MightyQ
Falcon
most to least confident:
Not Paopan
Paopan
No, absolutely not.

Paopan is town, I don’t believe both scum vote with me EoD1.
why not
Because CRichard is just an absolutely better ML for them in that regard.
Paopan stays on CRichard, Wilgy votes CRichard, CRichard goes over.
So why vote the zero poster with me that doesn’t give anyone nothing?

killing a 0 poster (who would be blamed on you specifically) and keeping alive a player who a lot of people are scumreading is helpful for the wolves. (turns out everyone scumreading CR flipped on it.)

there's an argument for what you're saying but not enough of one to lock paopan town just because you don't think it's what the wolves would have done

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:34 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:33 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:31 pm @Paopan
@CRichard
@MightyQ
@falcon45ca
@Porscha
@Miss Carousel

I’d like to request you all to make your full reads from most confident to least confident.
Here’s mine:
Paopan
Porscha
CRichard
Miss Caro
MightyQ
Falcon
most to least confident:
Not Paopan
Paopan
No, absolutely not.

Paopan is town, I don’t believe both scum vote with me EoD1.

why not

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:33 pm Hey does anyone know if there is anything that proves CRichard couldn’t have bussed Wilgy?

Like Wilgy joined my vote on the zero poster instead of allowing it to tie between him and CRichard.

i don't think the way wilgy voted for CR was partnered

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:31 pm @Paopan
@CRichard
@MightyQ
@falcon45ca
@Porscha
@Miss Carousel

I’d like to request you all to make your full reads from most confident to least confident.
Here’s mine:
Paopan
Porscha
CRichard
Miss Caro
MightyQ
Falcon

most to least confident:
Not Paopan
Paopan

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:19 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:25 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:43 pm
What's your take on Porscha & Pao now?
a wilgy/porscha team hard bussed each other resulting in wilgy's death when they had opportunities to try and save him (they were competing wagons but probably with enough time in the day to have done something) so it looks unlikely, though if i get outside of the obvious poe (pao, you, MQ) somebody HAS to be bussing and i might come back to porscha being the most likely.

i went through pao's ISO on this page and gave opinions on their content. i think they're the easy kill today. i already wanted pao dead yesterday, and i think the way wilgy and pao talked about each other but didn't really commit to wanting each other dead does pao no favors.
By hard bussed each other, do you mean we are both wolf and hard scum read each other as a tactic that backfired into us being in a tied vote?

my top 3 scum reads all game in order have been:
wilgy
pao
falcon

glad I still voted for him day 2 after missing my chance day 1 to make the difference. I am glad I was not persuaded off of him, but also annoyed with pao that he randomly hard pushed to have me voted off, as it felt like retaliation against me scum reading him all game

not backfired, i mean that if you are wolves together you just bussed very very very hard and were not afraid of one of you dying

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:04 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:24 pm Yes they can both still be mafia.

Are they? Probably not.
Could I have a list from you that has most to least likely town?
I read Wilgy's iso and he's made an effort to spew everyone clear to some degree. He solidly kept Falcon in his townlist the entire game in spite of Falcon pushing him. Given how washed he was I would have expected him to try to spew him.

Essentially I have no idea of an order. There's still work to do.
I feel like Wilgy paid very little attention to MissC. A couple blind town reads w/o follow up or push.

Take a look and see if you notice it as well
I kinda just feel like she's town tbh. I've felt Paopan was pretty anti town most of the game.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:03 pm MacDougall has died. He was Moemura (Vanilla Town).

Day 3 starts now.

i would imagine wilgy didn't want to push me because i was pretty universally townread up until eod2 and i was townreading him and the simplest thing to do is just let the universally townread player who is townreading you keep doing so.

i had like 4 people at least that i preferred over wilgy yesterday and was clearly absent from the game for a while so i wasn't really going to reevaluate yesterday. had he stayed alive and we flipped porscha town obviously today is a different case.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:17 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:14 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:41 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:38 pm sig is a fucking insane kill here. i'm not voting gavial or mac today because i'm not knocking out the most active players on d1 of a mountainous game. CR almost qualifies for this even though i scumlean him because he is participating in the thread and is helpful for us if town, but i'm still fine killing him today.

killing sig makes no god damn sense. cool, 20% chance we hit a wolf with a completely blind shot. if we hit a town we literally gain the least information possible and we just lose a kill for no reason. it's a complete unforced error. killing sig is a completely -ev play
I see... Well CR pinged me earlier. I'll entertain that.

[VOTE: CR] aubergine
this is a dogshit post if me and wilgy are partnered lol
Interesting that you're upset at the Sig kill, of which Wilgy was a part, but don't push his slot

the way he self pres'd is perfectly acceptable as town. (it was 2/2/2, he was the second wagon, and he was voting the third already.) i didn't and still don't really consider him responsible for sig's death in the same way as gav and pao

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:15 pm MissC, Pao

I'll look at other worlds after those two flips. Feels like the solve tho

say some words about MightyQ

replying to your partner making a real post with "huh i see....." to vote a ml with them is pure braindead. the much simpler explanation is that he's setting up to say he was following me if we flip CR town

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:41 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:38 pm sig is a fucking insane kill here. i'm not voting gavial or mac today because i'm not knocking out the most active players on d1 of a mountainous game. CR almost qualifies for this even though i scumlean him because he is participating in the thread and is helpful for us if town, but i'm still fine killing him today.

killing sig makes no god damn sense. cool, 20% chance we hit a wolf with a completely blind shot. if we hit a town we literally gain the least information possible and we just lose a kill for no reason. it's a complete unforced error. killing sig is a completely -ev play
I see... Well CR pinged me earlier. I'll entertain that.

[VOTE: CR] aubergine

this is a dogshit post if me and wilgy are partnered lol

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:43 pm
What's your take on Porscha & Pao now?

a wilgy/porscha team hard bussed each other resulting in wilgy's death when they had opportunities to try and save him (they were competing wagons but probably with enough time in the day to have done something) so it looks unlikely, though if i get outside of the obvious poe (pao, you, MQ) somebody HAS to be bussing and i might come back to porscha being the most likely.

i went through pao's ISO on this page and gave opinions on their content. i think they're the easy kill today. i already wanted pao dead yesterday, and i think the way wilgy and pao talked about each other but didn't really commit to wanting each other dead does pao no favors.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:56 am
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:00 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:02 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote
Odd.

Why would the loss of Dr Wilgy, if town, hurt a lot? By his own admission he's not been very engaged this game
i find that he says a lot of things that line up well with my thinking so i would like to keep him around if town
Can you be more specific? Do you have 3 examples of insights Wilgy has had that line up w/ your thinking?
i can but i’m on mobile so it’ll have to wait
Are you able to give us those 3 examples of Wilgy insights that lined up w/ your thinking?

had similar progression on CR as me, quoted same set of porscha posts that made me scumread them, wanted pao dead.

poe was pao/gav/porscha/MQ all of whom i wouldn't have really shed a tear at dying yesterday.

i guess pao falcon MQ is just the poe for me and i can stop thinking about it for now but i don't feel amazing about just settling on that and calling it a day

i don't feel much strong from falcon's ISO. i feel like i really just wanna flip paopan and go from there if town.

i do think wrt falcon that it makes more sense for him as wolf to push me today than pao. i think pao 100% is dying in this game and i think i'm harder to kill. i think the winning play is to try to ml me first

game like 90% ends w paopan then falcon, but if not i feel really really gross about mightyQ as the third person in the poe. their posts just aren't even really game related. it feels dirty for the game to rely on any real read on them right now

but it really just boils down to i townread him more than other people and i didn't think the d1 votes were a strong enough reason to override that

replying to the above mac post i just don't wanna quote like seven nested quotes

wilgy's posts at that point in time shared my view of the game, i.e. let's flip paopan and porscha and also maybe gav even though he's probably town just because his posts suck to read.

i didn't like voting out a possible town who was seeing the game similarly to me only because of votes. (e.g. being told that he was inevitably going to flip because he was the cw d1 so we might as well do it now.) i felt like he was townier than several people (meh. it happens and i don't really feel bad about it) and if we wanted to just kill someone based on d1 votes paopan was right there.

i think as of d2 there were a lot of slots in this game that were unhelpful for town. gav's posting is not very helpful, mightyQ not really providing any content is not very helpful, and at that point i found pao and porscha's posts fairly scummy. i much preferred to vote out a slot that felt like it was making solving more difficult for me than one that i thought was A. not the scummiest player and B. would actually be helpful to me if town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:08 am
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:48 am
Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:04 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:53 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:52 pm Let me ask you something Mac.
You willing to go over if your wrong on Paopan?
No. I am not willing to be the game losing flip on day 3 if Paopan flips town on day 2.
Lol ok
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:55 pm Like as I said.
I’ll throw and vote an Obvious Town which is Paopan if at that point people will stop throwing and vote you next.
Well yeah, I'm towny that you really don't need to look at my slot. I "accidentally" confirmed myself as town.
And when it comes to who's getting the L on the day 2. I'm okay with Porche and MightyQ.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:25 am I really do stuck at the early stages of the game. But I'm seriously considering starting a new train on Porsha and MightyQ even though it's soo bad.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:27 am Okay okay... chill a bit. Let's see our options.
What would we gain if we get rid of either Gavial or DrWigly today?

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:52 am I am okay to vote for one of the 4 persons I have mentioned today.
Stop at AtE on Gavial Mac and start to think logically. Thanks.
ok with voting wilgy

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:11 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:20 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:18 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:18 am Paopan Gav is voting you today after insisting you were town earlier. Your comments on that?

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:22 am
Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:21 am
Where?
I voted you because Mac was calling you confirmed scum and I wanted to smite him in the face.
Now he’s trying to turn you against me, classic scum deception right there!
This however I mixed up CRichard and Mac and I apologies.

But I’ll say this.
CRichard did you even look why? Did you see I wanted to shove in Mac’s face his solve is completely wrong(
You wanted to show up Mac in case Paopan flips town. Though I have to wonder why you'd vote on Paopan if you're sure they're town.
Still, I have Paopan as unaligned with everyone except Wilgy.
I don't think DrWigly is a good lynch for today. I mean for sure let's lynch DrWigly.
But if he flips town, are you ready to take the L the next day?
not really ok with wilgy and weirdly trying to talk someone else out of it

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:00 pm DrWigly. Stop lurking if you're town smh.
weird post

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:26 pm Ok. I have changed my decision.
Instead of relying on the hand of God. I'll vote for DrWigly.
Hope he flips beta wolf.
willing to vote for wilgy again

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:23 am I am very suspicious of Porsha. He/she won't vote makes me deduce he/she is a low lying scum.
I am okay to change my vote onto her.
doesn't actually want to vote wilgy and doesn't finish the day there
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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:37 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:00 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:02 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote
Odd.

Why would the loss of Dr Wilgy, if town, hurt a lot? By his own admission he's not been very engaged this game
i find that he says a lot of things that line up well with my thinking so i would like to keep him around if town
Can you be more specific? Do you have 3 examples of insights Wilgy has had that line up w/ your thinking?
i can but i’m on mobile so it’ll have to wait
Extra curious what you have to say now

that i'm a better wolf player than townreading my partner and not explaining it when they're the top wagon

every single paopan mention of porscha

Spoiler: show

Paopan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:46 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:20 am
Paopan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:27 am I just realized. My alignment starts with M
It is clear already that the town alignment is what it is via the flip. Attempting to angleshoot yourself town in an Alison game is quite the risky proposition.
Hih. I'll withdraw the scam.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:27 am tl;dr Gavial + Wilgy to die. If both are town we deserve to lose.
That's a bold statement you have there, ma'tey.

Mmm. Let's think outside the box for a while and assume a Porsha, MC, and MightyQ scum.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:25 am I really do stuck at the early stages of the game. But I'm seriously considering starting a new train on Porsha and MightyQ even though it's soo bad.

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:23 am I am very suspicious of Porsha. He/she won't vote makes me deduce he/she is a low lying scum.
I am okay to change my vote onto her.

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:15 pm Here' my top 3 POV atm. (in order)

1. DrWig + Porsha
2. falcon + CRich
3. MC + Gav

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:23 pm 5-6h till EoD.
To be honest. Lynching me would yield no result.
You can lynch me tomorrow if Porsha flips town.
I don't feel too good about DrWigly. There seemed to be little to no resistance at all which I don't like.
Scum! falcon might be saving his teammate Porsha. Regardless of her POE. Mafia only needs 2 ML, 3 NK to win.

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:24 pm It's funny how falcon became way more active into the game when I targeted Porsha.

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:25 pm Did I touch the correct part of the doll?
Is it really Falcon-Porsha?

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:23 pm I do solemnly sincerely and truly declare and affirm that the statement I shall give shall be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth

I am not a wolf.

My top 2 is Porsha and falcon.
But I have a gut feeling that CRich is not the town.
For now, it doesn't make sense. But surely the ff days would narrow down the list.
But regardless, I seriously think yeeting Porsha today and him/her flipping "mafia" would benefit us in the long run.

For now,

there is not even a small hint of a reason for a scumread. not even a suggestion of an explanation, but apparently confident enough to offer to be flipped if porscha flips green.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:04 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:53 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:52 pm Let me ask you something Mac.
You willing to go over if your wrong on Paopan?
No. I am not willing to be the game losing flip on day 3 if Paopan flips town on day 2.
Lol ok
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:55 pm Like as I said.
I’ll throw and vote an Obvious Town which is Paopan if at that point people will stop throwing and vote you next.
Well yeah, I'm towny that you really don't need to look at my slot. I "accidentally" confirmed myself as town.
And when it comes to who's getting the L on the day 2. I'm okay with Porche and MightyQ.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:25 am I really do stuck at the early stages of the game. But I'm seriously considering starting a new train on Porsha and MightyQ even though it's soo bad.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:27 am Okay okay... chill a bit. Let's see our options.
What would we gain if we get rid of either Gavial or DrWigly today?

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:52 am I am okay to vote for one of the 4 persons I have mentioned today.
Stop at AtE on Gavial Mac and start to think logically. Thanks.

ok with voting wilgy

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:11 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:20 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:18 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:18 am Paopan Gav is voting you today after insisting you were town earlier. Your comments on that?

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:22 am
Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:21 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:18 am Paopan Gav is voting you today after insisting you were town earlier. Your comments on that?
Where?
I voted you because Mac was calling you confirmed scum and I wanted to smite him in the face.
Now he’s trying to turn you against me, classic scum deception right there!
This however I mixed up CRichard and Mac and I apologies.

But I’ll say this.
CRichard did you even look why? Did you see I wanted to shove in Mac’s face his solve is completely wrong(
You wanted to show up Mac in case Paopan flips town. Though I have to wonder why you'd vote on Paopan if you're sure they're town.
Still, I have Paopan as unaligned with everyone except Wilgy.
I don't think DrWigly is a good lynch for today. I mean for sure let's lynch DrWigly.
But if he flips town, are you ready to take the L the next day?

not really ok with wilgy and weirdly trying to talk someone else out of it

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:00 pm DrWigly. Stop lurking if you're town smh.

weird post

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:26 pm Ok. I have changed my decision.
Instead of relying on the hand of God. I'll vote for DrWigly.
Hope he flips beta wolf.

willing to vote for wilgy again

Paopan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:23 am I am very suspicious of Porsha. He/she won't vote makes me deduce he/she is a low lying scum.
I am okay to change my vote onto her.

doesn't actually want to vote wilgy and doesn't finish the day there

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:29 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:50 pm Mac and Falcon are probably both town.

So with those 2 plus Miss Carousel that's a good 3 person towncore.
Any chance I can hop onto your list?

Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:58 pm
MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:53 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:23 pm
MightyQ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:07 pm Just like sex, vanillia is the best way to play mafia

Change my mind
That's nice, where's your head at on everyone who has posted so far?
I said this the first game I was in and I'll say it again. There's literally no solid evidence out there right now for anyone. I've been at school most of today and am only now really even paying attention. Also last game I was voted out for having this opinon, so go kill me for all I care. My point is town members are expendable, but how you expend them is important.

Youch now that I think about this you probably already know that. I'm tired af rn.
Hey there. I didn't vote you that day. Sooo Make me your town core, I make you mine aight?

Paopan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:55 pm Not much going on here...

But if you're making half the pop your town core on mid-day 1, you're probably scum.

these posts feel icky

guess i'll read some ISOs

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:00 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:02 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote
Odd.

Why would the loss of Dr Wilgy, if town, hurt a lot? By his own admission he's not been very engaged this game
i find that he says a lot of things that line up well with my thinking so i would like to keep him around if town
Can you be more specific? Do you have 3 examples of insights Wilgy has had that line up w/ your thinking?

i can but i’m on mobile so it’ll have to wait

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:02 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:51 pm i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote
Odd.

Why would the loss of Dr Wilgy, if town, hurt a lot? By his own admission he's not been very engaged this game

i find that he says a lot of things that line up well with my thinking so i would like to keep him around if town

i don’t really want to vote wilgy today. he makes a lot of posts that line up with my thinking, which, i could just be reading the game poorly. but he’s not near my top wolf for today and killing him if town hurts us a lot. pao or porscha are basically my only two choices right now. gav is tough because i don’t really feel good committing to keeping him alive the whole game and i don’t think he ever gets nk’d. i don’t think his posting is helpful for threadstate.

tldr i feel fine with my current vote

sorry mac you and gav are heading to f3 have fun

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:23 am full disclosure I'm super drunk

are you a wolf if you're a wolf you legally have to tell me

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:49 am Because ultimately, whether wilgy is town or wolf, he is going to vote in a way to ensure he doesn't get voted off the island. so while his excuse makes sense - it would be the same move whether he was rightfully town, or got caught early wolf.

I also understood your concern that a strong player might fill into a wolf role, but I do agree with the couple others who were outspoken against that play when we had more sus players who - no matter what they flipped - would have provided better info than the 0 poster. I didn't see an explanation you provided for this that made me agree with your decision. which is why I understand that you/pao could easily be partnered with wilgy to save him from the day 1 vote. Not sold on any explanation you've provided for this.

extremely hedgy post and again just kinda talking to gav. not actually pushing him in any way

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:45 am gav, in this interaction,

"Mac said:
“At multiple times during day 1 you had viable reasons to go with me and scumread Wilgy but you stopped short and instead just handled him with kid gloves? Why?”

My Response:
Because you literally called both people who voted you is scum!! That’s why!
I had no reasons to go with you, I didn’t see anything wolfy about Wilgy but I did see wolfy things regarding you.
Why would I scum read someone that shouldn’t be scum read? Your read is bad, it’s basically “PL due to emoji posting” which is wrong."

I agree with mac here. while wilgy's emoji posting may not prove him to be wolf, it does literally nothing to help town. it's neutral at best, covering wolf behavior at worst. I also wanted to vote wilgy off but didn't get to it before day ended.

In general, I'd like to say I hard read mac as town right now. yeah I don't have that previous game play with him, but I really respect his answers in his master post towards you. I don't understand how you think paopan is CONFIRMED town - doesn't make sense. he voted with you day 1 - so what? if pao was trying to get wilgy out of day 1 vote, then yeah of course he's gonna happen to vote with you. but I haven't seen you give any other single reason pao should be considered a hard town read. he hardly adds anything worthwhile and I don't view the post that you are reading as a "town slip" as a town slip. And maybe this next reason is just showing my naivety for this game style, but wouldn't any town be *ACTIVELY TRYING* to prove themselves town in a no power game?
I was specifically told to try and make myself obvious town, so why would pao be "slipping" as town? Are you *SURE* you aren't reading a basic wolf tactic of trying to appear town as him being real town? I don't know - not adding up for me here. MightyQ isn't actively posting so i'm not sure what to make of them. but I'm also still not sold on wilgy. In fact, it sounds like multiple of us are still on board for flipping wilgy - cuz if he flips wolf, we can likely deduce from day 1 wagon voting last minute who would be wolf there. doesn't seem like a bad play to me. I appreciated more of what wilgy said once he actually started speaking words, like a town player should, but I'm absolutely not sold on him being a hard town read here. I'm just not convinced.

don't think there's a healthy and necessary level of suspicion in this post for someone considering gav's alignment. reads like porscha knows gav is town and is criticizing a read not actually evaluating

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:08 am and now I can't and won't scumread or vote porscha... this game is an omega clusterfuck

hard disagree lol

i think falcon's town

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:24 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:20 pm my legacy is kill paopan if this flips green, never ever kill gav or paopan if this flips red
I can understand not killing Gav if they're mafia , why would Pao be town fypov in a Sig mafia world?

because hopping on this vote if sig is their partner seems wildly stupid to me. drwilgy can conceivably bus when they're tied with sig but i see absolutely no reason for pao to do that

my legacy is kill paopan if this flips green, never ever kill gav or paopan if this flips red

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:13 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:09 pm A 0 poster? Wow

Just wow
What if I said this post here makes you have the biggest chance out of everyone here to be aligned with the zero poster.
What would you say?

this is a bad post

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:05 pm
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:00 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:00 pm 9 town 2 mafia

Everyone is Akemi Homura.

Town = Moemura
Mafia = Homulily

No excessive AtE. Follow the usual mafia rules.

48/24. Open nights.

EOD at 10pm EST

@sig
@MacDougall
@Lime Coke
@Paopan
@CRichard
@Miss Carousel
@DrWilgy
@falcon45ca
@Gavial
@Porscha
@MightyQ
eod is in an hour
Yeah but the polls closed lol.

well shit

this kill sucks

if we completely randomly hit a wolf cool

but this kill sucks

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:05 pm @Paopan what is your read on CRich

@Paopan ebwodp

@Paopan what is your read on CRich

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:00 pm 9 town 2 mafia

Everyone is Akemi Homura.

Town = Moemura
Mafia = Homulily

No excessive AtE. Follow the usual mafia rules.

48/24. Open nights.

EOD at 10pm EST

@sig
@MacDougall
@Lime Coke
@Paopan
@CRichard
@Miss Carousel
@DrWilgy
@falcon45ca
@Gavial
@Porscha
@MightyQ

eod is in an hour

immediately starting the game butting heads with mac and then pushing this kill feels like a losing play for w!Gavial so i think it's a bit more likely to be coming from town. Paopan can easily be scum voting it

sig is a fucking insane kill here. i'm not voting gavial or mac today because i'm not knocking out the most active players on d1 of a mountainous game. CR almost qualifies for this even though i scumlean him because he is participating in the thread and is helpful for us if town, but i'm still fine killing him today.

killing sig makes no god damn sense. cool, 20% chance we hit a wolf with a completely blind shot. if we hit a town we literally gain the least information possible and we just lose a kill for no reason. it's a complete unforced error. killing sig is a completely -ev play

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