The Syndicate

Yes those are words in a post indeed.

Well words were indeed said.

Which to me implies he was worried I would CC his 3rd Party claim.

No, he just didn't like that I refuse to believe he is a Jester and took that as a sign I was Survivor.

Especially since they seem interested in finding scum and seem to think I'm 3rd party.

Well yes and no. They claimed Jester, they've always claimed Jester.
That claim is probably a lie though.

NotAnAxehole - Jester
Ruri - Reliable Giver Cop (They claim to have no idea how their role works so we can only speculate as to what that means)
MafiaMenace - X-Shot Cop (red checked Scotty, has not claimed number of shots just that they are limited)
Jackofhearts2005 - Random Doctor (heals a random player each night)
LinearPoint - Loyal Bodydouble (Bodyguard only the things that are not kills are transferred to me from my target)
Michelle - Insane Cop (red checked Alexa [meaning town])
Marmot - Something that happens D5
Paopan - Lie Detector
sig - No Claim
Alexa - 1-shot Vigilante (Shot Falcon N1)
Son of Anarch - Oracle

Notably the setup says there are only 2 roles with no modifiers.
Currently SoA and Paopan claim no Modifiers when we have 1 role with no modifiers dead.
It's possible the lie is there is more than 2, but it's worth noting that is technically a counterclaim.

I'm willing to bet most people are claiming their real role, it's a matter of figuring out which roles aren't Town.

Yeah I can throw together a claim list real quick.

I mean Sig and NAA are also dodging claiming, so I can't force you to.
But since you are here what are your thoughts on Michelle, Paopan, and Ruri right now?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:53 am Hello, it is I, a marmot

Hi Marmot, got a role? You're one of the only 3 people who haven't claimed anything.

I’m just dyslexic and cannot tell Wiggly and MightyQ apart.

Look I never said MightyQ’s vote was justified…

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:26 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:25 am OK, let me try that in a shorter way.
The Mafia were not trying to get Wiggly lynched. Most if not all that wagon was Town.
That means Mafia were either not voting or were pushing SoA making SoA less likely to be Mafia, but not impossible.

the only mafia that's flipped is scotty though so how do you know what the mafia was doing

Because everyone in the other wagon is confirmed Town except for Michelle...

SoA had me, Scotty, Sig, Wiggly, and NAA
MightgyQ had Alexa, MightyQ, LC, MM, and Michelle

OK, let me try that in a shorter way.
The Mafia were not trying to get Wiggly lynched. Most if not all that wagon was Town.
That means Mafia were either not voting or were pushing SoA making SoA less likely to be Mafia, but not impossible.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:22 am

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:20 am

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:18 am but seriously what do people think of paopon checking falcon and getting a green result last night when he was already dead town

I think that's hilarious no matter what his alignment is. Didn't he have the same report Scotty said he had? Or they checked the same person, right? Maybe Scotty stole Paopan's claim and Paopan claimed anyways without thinkin'.

yeah that was day one, but i'm referring to what pao said today
i'm just surprised no one else has commented on it

There was a brief discussion about it before.
I pointed out the possibility that Scotty just used Paopan's claim and Paopan claimed without reading possibly accidently ccing his own Mafia buddy.

Well if you look at the d1 votes.
3 people on Wiggly were confirmed Town at this point.
1 person on SoA was confirmed Mafia and 1 was 3rd Party Lyncheer.
If we assume Alexa is not a Mafia 1-Shot Vigilante then that leaves the only unknown on Wiggly's lynch Michelle. so Wiggly seemed to be a Town formed Wagon.
That implies the Mafia had no real interest in lynching Wiggly, but it seemed like the Mafia was wanting SoA dead.
If that was a bus or not is still unknown, but like I said Mafia willingly forcing SoA into a 50/50 with Wiggly is a bit risky.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:13 am

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:11 am NotAnAxehole: nothing mechanically clearing them, though i do gut TR this slot and they weirdly have a similar mindset to me despite being a troll
Ruri: claims ... cop giver? seems sketch
MafiaMenace: cop claim so should be "clear" but i had a weird dream and am slightly sketched by this slot. should be clear tho as sane cop.
Jackofhearts2005: random doctor claim
LinearPoint: very towny on play
Michelle: insane cop and TR, top town
Marmot: nada going for them
Paopan: lie detector who literally is so noob they apparently checked someone's claim from d1 who was already confirmed town?????
sig: idk
Son of Anarch: oracle, kind of sketch

SoA is basically near-confirmed Oracle though yeah, the only question is whether they are mafia.

I honestly think SoA is solved by Jack's death.
A Doc being confirmed to an Oracle is a bit suspicious to me.
I feel like this implies SoA and Jack aren't the same alignment if either is Mafia. Of course Town Oracle seeing Town Doctor may still be a thing.

Well a Town check confirms they are Town.
It's particularly really useful if say there were information roles we don't know the alignment of like a second Cop claim or Lie Detector.
For example of course, not saying that applies here.

If you think about it like this, confirming Michelle or Paopan as Town would mean we could trust their results, well if they had any I suppose.
Sure checking a random person might not be the best play, but you felt the need to check Scotty at random and that got information.
I don't see how night 2 would make you hesitate considering there were some pretty good Cop targets on the bored.

Honestly MM is confirmed as far as I see it, but yeah in the future you probably don't want to hold onto limited role uses as an outed Cop.
Like Alexa said you shots die with you and Cop is a powerful early game role even if you get a Town result it's still another confirmed person we don't need to worry about not trusting.

At this point I'm more just hoping that they are lying and didn't think that Cop Giver would be a useful role to have early on.
And all I can say to Paopon is if you are not lying, you should probably read the thread in your next games, at least check who is dead.

This transcends newbish honestly. This is a whole new level I have never seen before.
At least 1 or 2 of them have to be Mafia because even 6 TI roles seems very excessive for a game of this size.

At what point do we just draw the line and off all the informative roles for incommpitance?

I'm just thinking that they cannot all possibly be Mafia.
I refuse to believe all Mafia claim to be not only informative roles, but not very good at choosing useful checks.

Why is it every cop in this game is afraid of using their ability when the Vigilante shot someone night 1.
This feels so backwards from what I would consider normal logic.

Honestly I see no reason not to use that ability night 1 on the person you most town read.
Even if they are Mafia, they are forced into giving the Cop results since they cannot lie about having received it without being caught.

Reliable from what I could find means that they will always get the true result even if something like Framer is involved.

Insane Cop just gets the inverted results.
Paranoid would be always Mafia, Nieve would be always Town and Random is just random.

@Son of Anarch did you do a rock, paper, scissors with MigthyQ at the end of day 1 or was the vote count manipulted somehow?

I thought SoA said they did a Rock, Paper, Scissors with MightyQ.

The main reason I don't like your post was because you were pretty much just throwing shade by saying there was a traitor.
While traitor is possible, I haven't really considered it to be honest and I feel like if it were the case it would have been mentioned in either the setup or Scotty's role.
The setup mentions so many specific things includign 3rd parties I don't think they would have left out Traitor.
So the post comes across to me as pointless shade or even a slip that Mafia secretly knows they have a Traitor.

Currently feeling Michelle, Sig, and 1 of Ruri/Poapan for the Mafia team.

Then on the other hand Sig says something like that and makes me think they are Mafia.

I think I just realized something.
Michelle I don't think is Town.
He claimed Insane Cop with no restrictions other than Insane and now Paopan has said he has no role modifiers.
And the fact that Michelle did not even believe his red check on Alexa when Alexa claimed Vigilante.
How does a Cop not see a red check on a Vigilante as certain Mafia? Why just assume it was an insanity check? Then he checks the Mafia kill target as well?

But then I don't get why a Mafia would claim Giver Cop knowing there are 3 Cop claims, 2 dead Trackers, and a Lie Detector being claimed.
That's like asking to be lynched.

And the host has used Sane before so using Reliable instead of Sane to describe the Cop doesn't quite seem right.

The main thing that gets me is I'm not really certain that Reliable counts as a role modifier and is more just the role.
We were told there was only 2 roles with no modifiers and Paopan is claiming to be the 2nd role with no modifiers.

I mean the delivery for sure because I don’t see how you are told cop of any kind and not sure what to do with it. The role is only weird insofar as that makes what? 3 dead TIs, and now 4 living TI claims. That’s like 1/3rd the roles in this game are informative if that is true.

Does your role just make people sane cops?
If so, have you actually used your role since I haven't seen anyone claim to become Cops that didn't start as Cops.

The fuck does Reliable Cop Giver even mean?

Yeah redirection would be physically moving the player's target to someone else and my role doesn't actually do that.

Though that really isn't saying much since Mafia has a Loyal Hammerer.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:51 pm ngl, mafia bodyguard kind of fits with SK meta.

Mafia Bodyguard would just be a pointless role.
I mean SK or Vig would just get a 2 for 1 confirmed Mafia.

It was a calculated risk and I was correct in assuming no important roles would die, so I see no harm done here.

Like I said I believed there to be a Doctor and would expect them to be on a Cop.
I didn't care for Mac's survival as SK Cop.
While yes I do effectively have some bodyguard capabilities I was correct in assuming neither Michelle or MM.
The longer Doctor is kept alive the better it is for Town.
Of course now knowing the Doctor is random I can't really afford not to protect the Cops anymore.

Like I said I thought Sig might have been a Doctor hiding.
Was going to do Alexa, but then I rememebred 1-shot Vig so they aren't useful anymore.

Mac N1 and Sig N2

I mean my target effectively becomes immune to them and I take what would have happened to them.
I just don't really know if technically it is a redirect as I'm not sure they actually get forced to visit me instead of their intended target.
More the effects are transferred.

Truth be told I don't actually know if my role redirects or not. It's worded in a weird way in so that what would happen to my target happens to me instead.
I thought at first it was a redirect, but I actually don't think then end up visiting me for the purposes of a redirect.
Either way if I were a Survivor that'd be pretty fucked up lol.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:43 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:34 pm Btw there's a 0% chance I get yeeted today so you might as well not bother.

Why is that?

Because I'm the doctor.

Random doctor, to be specific. I'm assuming I've either accidentally stopped a kill (possibly twice) or there's no sker and the wolves are making doc dodge kills.

Either scenario confirms me town.

Ok, I mean I'm not surprised, I was very confident it was one of you, Ruri, Sig, but I also felt like the other two had to die.

Yeah I lost the bet. Mine was on Sig.

MafiaMenace - Confirmed Town
Jackofhearts2005 - Random Doctor
Michelle - Insane Cop
Paopan - Lie Detector
Alexa - 1-shot Vigilante
Son of Anarch - Oracle
NAA - "Jester"

No claims from Ruri, Marmot, and Sig.

Unfortunately we don't really have anything to go off of as far as which roles could be Mafia aligned as there is justification for any of those roles to be Mafia due to Negitive Utility roles being in play as well as useless roles.
IF Michelle isn't Mafia that would confirm Alexa as Town.
Currently leaning on Jack's role being Town as Mafia already had a Negitive Utility role flip, but 2 is possible.
Oracle I have no idea other than the 2nd night result suggests SoA and JoH can't both be Mafia.

At this point claims might just be in needed from the final players.