The Syndicate

I think there was some logic to Sig being tracked even if I didn't go through with it.
If it was successful I would have honestly just said I wont say who was tracked because the last thing I want is Mafia to know they were tracked doing the kill.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:20 pm LP you do realize that you all but claimed warrior on D1 right?

Yeah, but I did say D2 I was actually a druid.
My main reason for hintingI was a warrior was to not draw attention to myself in the event that someone claimed Pal1 D1.
If someone claimed Pal1 D1 I would have stayed as Druid 1 and tracked them to see if they acted N1 and if they did called them out.
And if somoene did claim Pal1 D1 I did not want them thinking they may have been tracked and attacked me.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:19 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:14 pm it could be w/w except it's clearly not
Yeah, I didn’t read to the point where LP began clearly leaning into making a thunderdome

I've done that a few times this game.
It's good for establishing reads. I mean I accurately sussed out Duyna was Town, so that's 1 point for it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:00 pm Something’s not sitting right with the votes right now.
Too many hands in each other’s cookie jars. Mafia is definitely voting another mafia member right now

This seems like a very convoluted way to say one of the only 2 wagons is Scum.
And really the dynamic doesn't look different from D2.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:53 pm You intentionally outed a Roleblocker, you can die.

Dya outed it you moron.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:49 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:49 pm I do not believe you believed I wasn't druid.
That is such a non possibile thing to believe.
this is equivalent to "I do not believe you believed I wasn't town"

but a lot of people believe you aren't town! are all of them lying?

See that's the thing.
IF she believed I wasn't Town she would use Lv3 on me.
IF she believed I wasn't Druid she would use Lv2 on me or Lv3.
She cannot believe I wasn't Druid because that makes no fucking sense.
She has to be Mafia here. She would use Lv3 if she was Town. ALWAYS.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:49 pm Also, I'm pro-kill LP since D1, so that helps.

Yeah but you are always pro never being useful so your opinion has been invalidated since the very first game I've played with you.

I do not believe you believed I wasn't druid.
That is such a non possibile thing to believe.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:44 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:43 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:41 pm because you cant use level 3 and level 4 consecutively

if my action failed i could have had no usable abilities
OK, but you roleblocked me so that I couldn't use the Lv3 Druid ability and would have to wait 2 nights before I could track again.
This is objectively an antitown action even if you assume that you're paranoia about missing is valid, which it shouldn't be if you are Town.
that requires me to believe that you're actually a druid

You cannot legitimately believe that I am anything but Druid.
You are just lying to yourself as that was never anything that is realistic even if I am Mafia as fakeclaiming Druid is impossible.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:44 pm lp any block on town is an antitown action the whole point is that they didn't believe that you are town

No, that is wrong.
Blocking a Town Warrior isn't anti-town.
Blocking a Town Druid objectively always is.
You are trying to stop information from being given to Town.
That is anti-Town.
Stopping a vigilante from possibly missshooting isn't.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:41 pm because you cant use level 3 and level 4 consecutively

if my action failed i could have had no usable abilities

OK, but you roleblocked me so that I couldn't use the Lv3 Druid ability and would have to wait 2 nights before I could track again.
This is objectively an antitown action even if you assume that you're paranoia about missing is valid, which it shouldn't be if you are Town.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:41 pm lp you're making jumps that just aren't warranted but I think that the percentage drop from p2 to p3 means that the role has marginally less utility with four wolves alive

No, this is very legitimate.
Lv2 paladin is not somehting a Town would pick if they wanted to RB me.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:39 pm And again why would you not want to stop me from committing a Factional Kill only stop what might be a single Warrior 1 action if that's what you believed I was?
Your reasoning for blocking me doesn't make sense from a Town PoV? What reason does Town have for blocking Information roles let alone Tracker?
Even assuming you legitimately believed I faked results and just guessed you would at least go to lv3 and stop me from using the factional kill since a Warrior Lv1 ability isn't that important to RB.

I guess to clerify the first question.
The way I see if Mafia would remain Lv2 because they don't need Lv3 since they wont stop thier own kills and can RB a Mafia and claim it was a Lv3.
So Lv2 is a very Mafia thing and I don't seee why Town would willingly do that let alone use that to stop gathering of information which is delayed so it doesn't really help mafia to take Druid anyways.

And again why would you not want to stop me from committing a Factional Kill only stop what might be a single Warrior 1 action if that's what you believed I was?
Your reasoning for blocking me doesn't make sense from a Town PoV? What reason does Town have for blocking Information roles let alone Tracker?
Even assuming you legitimately believed I faked results and just guessed you would at least go to lv3 and stop me from using the factional kill since a Warrior Lv1 ability isn't that important to RB.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:34 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:31 pm Because level 3 is bad
Wrong
Dya being Level 2 willingly is very suspicious.
Level 2 palading can only block actions while level 3 blocks kills.

Dya knew I was a level 3 Druid since I claimed that yesterday.
So why would Town!Dya block a Tracker and not try over trying to stop the Factional Kill or any of the Warrior attacks?
Level 2 is quite a suspicious thing to choose for Town and be targeting non Warriors.
because i didnt believe you and you are one of my wolf reads

That doesn't make any sense.
Why would anyone lie about having the ability to Track players?
That is so easy to figure out it's a lie.

Dya is saying they are choosing to not stop the factional kills and are targeting peopel they know to be Information roles.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:31 pm Because level 3 is bad

Wrong
Dya being Level 2 willingly is very suspicious.
Level 2 palading can only block actions while level 3 blocks kills.

Dya knew I was a level 3 Druid since I claimed that yesterday.
So why would Town!Dya block a Tracker and not try over trying to stop the Factional Kill or any of the Warrior attacks?
Level 2 is quite a suspicious thing to choose for Town and be targeting non Warriors.

I guess in hindsight I should have realized Lv3 would have informed me I was blocked and not given the action failed.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:30 pmlevel 2

Ah, good.

Now. Why are you not level 3?

It's the exact same thing I did in Fortune of Lies where I convinced Mafia I was a Redirector when I was just a Loyal Bodyguard.

plus like 8 people scum read me atm.
So me dying at night to Mafia is a very strong thing.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:19 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:17 pm FTR real target was NAA and yes it did fail.
The Sig gambit was to see if Mafia would kill me tonight thinking it was real.
how getting you killed helps us?

It meant Mafia believed I tracked Sig and didn't want it outed who he visited aka 90% confirms Sig is Mafia.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:21 pm i dont get why a sig peek would encourage the wolves to kill you

What paladin level are you?

FTR real target was NAA and yes it did fail.
The Sig gambit was to see if Mafia would kill me tonight thinking it was real.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:43 am I don’t think scum LP comes out of the gate today claiming Druid Lev 2 actions. I believe she used those how she used those.

Mafia aren’t picking Druid class
I think scum LP does just that because I blocked them yesterday and they're full of shit

So You knew I was baiting Mafia into killing me, so why say it publicly that it was a bait?
Where is the town motivation in that?

Ok. I do really want to know your reasonings for those reads though. I want you to convince me that you actually reached those reads legit and don’t just throw names togetherz

Like I had to put in a ton of work to even reach the conclusion Duyna was town. Petit Scotty and Syn have also been hard reads. Wilvg is still an implausible read. Jack has been off and on scum and town posts. Urist is also someone you said was just fluffing

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:59 am more seriously

LP/Wilgy w

Rask/Scotty/Syn v

Dya/Jack/Marmot less v

Wow I was making a joke that you town Read the whole games
But you actually do.
That is unironically just scum TMI.

Wait who is rask?

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:57 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:56 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:53 am I'm still in the Twilight Zone
What is your scum list anyways? Is it just me?
I believe that the wolf team is

LP/LP/LP/LP

Ok yeah you are just scum. I don’t believe you are town reading the whole game. A lot of people this game have been very hard to read. That’s some mafia TMI pov if I’ve ever seen one.

Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:53 am I'm still in the Twilight Zone

What is your scum list anyways? Is it just me?

Syn not Sig. Sorry. I’m leaning on Syn might be town actually
Sig I’ll hopefully know to ihht

Mmm. I kind of doubt that honestly.
There is still actually a kind of large PoE.
I think I may be wrong about Sig though. I’m thinking the more I reread some people the more I like Petit as pretty good town lean too.

Though I think if we assume Mafia TSP is healed. That mafia can’t act tonight as it’s the same cycle. Unless I misread how P1 works.

Ironically that isn’t untrue. He was extremely active in GoV as Mafia.

That’s frankly easy for an outed Druid to day though.

Honestly I’m thinking we should just all out what we are. It’ll make it harder for someone to slip an anti-town action through like a the warrior kills or healing a mafia of poison or role locking a town.

Also Hk was fairly townie so. Yeah he’s kind of an expected kill tbh

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:37 am wouldn't it be funny if I said LP was town

Is the sky also blue?

I mean it’s possible Mafia visited Duyna and didn’t want HK outing they have a [role].

Actually I also did forget to even put Jack into the POE or Town reads. So I’ll officially say he is PoE.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:34 am hey who did HK track N1

I think Hk said Duyna

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:33 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:33 am y'all have 15 minutes to ask me anything
do you think lp is town

I mean I could tell you that Dolby would say no they have voted me like every day.

Jack actually now that I go over their earlier posts today are a bit odd.
Their reaction to Sig being alive seems a little fowpah (ill be honest I have no idea how to spell that).
They also had an almost unhealthy obsession on of Town or Mafia poisoned TSP with multiple theories and that we should heal TSP.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:26 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:23 am I death-tunneled my teammate relentlessly in a wolf game on MU and won handily

this was also a part of the building wolf case on me d2 about how dunia and I were w/w because I was pushing her but always conveniently ending up off wagon when she was in the lead

all that matters if that your tunnel never go over

That interpretation fell off when I realized Duyna was practically guaranteed town.

Wait Urist and TSP on the same team?
Why is that? Urist has deathtunneled him all game.

OK maybe I need to sleep because I can't understand a metaphor about time.

I mena I've read it 5 times now.
I don't understand what it says then.
Like the power of linear means half of my reads are wrong if I die and flip Town.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:54 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:48 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:46 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:42 am
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:40 am this is so contrived
No, this is how this game works.
The players who are Mafia's biggest threats are who Mafia kills.
You cannot be a player who was as Townie day 1 as you and still be alive today.
why would I die

what threat am I posing to the wolves, do you think

did I kill a wolf d2? doesn't seem like I did

HK was the second name in the wolf team i proposed

well, that ain't right either
So you do not think your scumreads are accurate?
Do you think everythign you posted D1 was scummy?
Like you make no fucking sense.
You cannot have both the status as IC and Mafia leave you alone.
How can you unironically believe that you are not someone that the mafia would kill without thinking you have been scumsiding with your reads or posts.
I'm not IC, and mafia aren't leaving me alone

through the power of linear time I am able to determine that at least half of my hypothetical wolf team is town

I know this because they died and flipped town, therefore I can deduce that some of my scum reads are not accurate

these last two lines.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:08 am anyway I am of course in the unique position of knowing my alignment and knowing that I am being kept alive for a reason

I don't need to ironically or unironically believe that, since from my perspective, that is the basic truth

my reads are going wrong somewhere in a way that makes other people more optimal for kills, and my "objectively towniest person" and "IC" statuses as you kindly describe me will become irrelevant

OK, but how do you reach the conclusion that if I flip Town half of my reads have to be wrong and thrown out?
That just seems so dismissive and backwards.
That's why I don't believe you care about anything I say if regardless of my alignment you're going to just assume I am horribly wrong.

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