The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:22 pm But now here's the kicker... I just went and read the post-game from that game... and weird thing is... people weren't "shocked by his performance"... many people did congratulate LC on his game, and he did really well, but from what I could see, no one mentioned anything about being "shocked", one person (Alison) did mention that LC was polarized before that, but again... we're now talking about you having remember a very very specific post from a very very specific game... or the occam's razer explanation that you heard about it in scum chat...

And the way that you say it... it REALLY feels like how LC would describe what happened, because LC has the background on himself to know that people congratulating him on that game were surprised by how well he did, not just saying "good game" (because all they were doing was saying LC had a good game, not that they were shocked).

very likely it was the alison post in particular that stuck with me

I may or may not be a sucker for madoka magica

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:14 pm Okay, fair point.

Let's go the opposite direction and make this easier, who do you feel is town?

list hasn't changed except add mac ig

Seanzie feels like he's putting on an appearance of trying to question me while not actually doing so

Mac feels like he's pushing buttons (and I am biased but some of them are good buttons)

that is

exactly what I said

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:00 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:56 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:54 pm fr tho seanzie I saw you pinging me but saw no effort to ask questions or do anything that would help you get in my head

it was a few questions about what games I'd looked at and when with no change in your viewpoint or approach

seems incongruous with your insistence that I talk in realtime because literally none of those questions are things where my answer would change if I had time to think about and plan out an answer
If you were town, I think you'd know that I was trying to not allow you time to go do research on other games. If you would have mentioned details from a few other games right away, I would have immediately backed off you, but you didn't.
the fuck

why would it be towny of me to go look for details from other games to cover up the truth with a lie
I typo'd "not" into "now".

okay but like is having no memory of the other games I lightly skimmed a few posts from several days ago actually alignment indicative to you

because I don't think it is and I also am not convinced you think it is

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:00 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:00 pm anyways I'm biased but definitely not seeing a genuine attempt to solve from Seanzie when just shouting "lockwolf" seems to do

meanwhile mac is pressing my brain's dopamine button

help
Then...work with me...I don't get what you're doing.

elementary my dear LimeCoke

I have seen my rolecard and I have not seen yours

Ergo I should always attempt to flip you if we assume that people in general believe the team is you and me, rather than let myself go over

That being said I think that assumption is incorrect and don't plan to stick to a world where it holds true

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:00 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:54 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:53 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:50 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:48 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:45 pm

Okay, thank you. This essentially confirms that you're mafia as well to me. I was a bit worried that maybe Fext had heard that from someone else in scum chat, but nah, you're doubling down on defending him and not willing to acknowledge that his knowledge about you is extremely suspicious (which it REALLY should be extremely suspicious from a town!LC perspective).
It was obvious post game in Molly Maguires that everyone was shocked that I played a strong wolf game. He said he saw it, I believe it.

When Fext flips town then you better be going after Mac, otherwise you're just outing yourself even more.
frankly I'm going to do my damndest to get you lynched before I ever go over

but that's neither here nor there
Lol, *need towncred now!* *bus!*
ehhhhhhhhhhh
How not? Fext was townreading LC pretty hard up until you outed that little tidbit that ties them together. Now when the heat is on, Fext all the sudden wants LC to be chopped?
I mean...this but more just Fext's turnaround on me being just out of nowhere.

also bruh

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:54 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:53 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:50 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:48 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:45 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:42 pm

Not at all. The point to mafia is to lynch wolves. Not towns.
Okay, thank you. This essentially confirms that you're mafia as well to me. I was a bit worried that maybe Fext had heard that from someone else in scum chat, but nah, you're doubling down on defending him and not willing to acknowledge that his knowledge about you is extremely suspicious (which it REALLY should be extremely suspicious from a town!LC perspective).
It was obvious post game in Molly Maguires that everyone was shocked that I played a strong wolf game. He said he saw it, I believe it.

When Fext flips town then you better be going after Mac, otherwise you're just outing yourself even more.
frankly I'm going to do my damndest to get you lynched before I ever go over

but that's neither here nor there
Lol, *need towncred now!* *bus!*
ehhhhhhhhhhh
How not? Fext was townreading LC pretty hard up until you outed that little tidbit that ties them together. Now when the heat is on, Fext all the sudden wants LC to be chopped?

bruh

anyways I'm biased but definitely not seeing a genuine attempt to solve from Seanzie when just shouting "lockwolf" seems to do

meanwhile mac is pressing my brain's dopamine button

help

LongCon is an objectively great name for a Mafia player in particular

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:56 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:55 pm as I mentioned though I'm not exactly planning to constrain myself to 1v1ing LC
You were...literally townreading me...until 2 minutes ago?

get backstabbed

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:56 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:54 pm fr tho seanzie I saw you pinging me but saw no effort to ask questions or do anything that would help you get in my head

it was a few questions about what games I'd looked at and when with no change in your viewpoint or approach

seems incongruous with your insistence that I talk in realtime because literally none of those questions are things where my answer would change if I had time to think about and plan out an answer
If you were town, I think you'd know that I was trying to now allow you time to go do research on other games. If you would have mentioned details from a few other games right away, I would have immediately backed off you, but you didn't.

the fuck

why would it be towny of me to go look for details from other games to cover up the truth with a lie

god it's so hard to not read LC as LightCastle

as I mentioned though I'm not exactly planning to constrain myself to 1v1ing LC

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:53 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:50 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:48 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:45 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:42 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:42 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:40 pm

You're just making this town vs town wagons...like why?
This is a serious question though. Do you understand why I strongly believe one of you or Fext absolutely has to be the chop today?
Not at all. The point to mafia is to lynch wolves. Not towns.
Okay, thank you. This essentially confirms that you're mafia as well to me. I was a bit worried that maybe Fext had heard that from someone else in scum chat, but nah, you're doubling down on defending him and not willing to acknowledge that his knowledge about you is extremely suspicious (which it REALLY should be extremely suspicious from a town!LC perspective).
It was obvious post game in Molly Maguires that everyone was shocked that I played a strong wolf game. He said he saw it, I believe it.

When Fext flips town then you better be going after Mac, otherwise you're just outing yourself even more.
frankly I'm going to do my damndest to get you lynched before I ever go over

but that's neither here nor there
Lol, *need towncred now!* *bus!*

I mean presumably if LC does indeed flip red then I would follow in short order

but A at least it'd be funny and B I'm 100% sure I'm town and the same is not true of LC so there's no chance I let myself go over instead of him if it really does come down to this exact pair by EoD

fr tho seanzie I saw you pinging me but saw no effort to ask questions or do anything that would help you get in my head

it was a few questions about what games I'd looked at and when with no change in your viewpoint or approach

seems incongruous with your insistence that I talk in realtime because literally none of those questions are things where my answer would change if I had time to think about and plan out an answer

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:51 pm Lime Coke if you're town omgussing me because I am calling you and fext outed based on nothing is a pretty bad way to convince me of such

oh I meant uh

how dare you mac

mac scum

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:50 pm I believe there is a better immediate omgus.

presumably you mean Alison

and why her over like Wilgy

feels to me like both are operating in a similar manner but at least alison is putting some skin in the game?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:48 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:45 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:42 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:42 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:35 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:33 pm

Also Fext appears to be the only one objectively reading me this game, so I'm thinking it's not mafia agenda oriented. Like why the fuck would this dude be pocketing me when I have attention on me?
You understand why one of you or Fext absolutely has to be the chop today, right?
You're just making this town vs town wagons...like why?
This is a serious question though. Do you understand why I strongly believe one of you or Fext absolutely has to be the chop today?
Not at all. The point to mafia is to lynch wolves. Not towns.
Okay, thank you. This essentially confirms that you're mafia as well to me. I was a bit worried that maybe Fext had heard that from someone else in scum chat, but nah, you're doubling down on defending him and not willing to acknowledge that his knowledge about you is extremely suspicious (which it REALLY should be extremely suspicious from a town!LC perspective).
It was obvious post game in Molly Maguires that everyone was shocked that I played a strong wolf game. He said he saw it, I believe it.

When Fext flips town then you better be going after Mac, otherwise you're just outing yourself even more.

frankly I'm going to do my damndest to get you lynched before I ever go over

but that's neither here nor there

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:26 pm @Fext since you're here, talk to me. Do it in that fast-posty way you usually do.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:27 pm @Fext?

what was even the point of double-pinging me if you're putting literally zero thought into what I say afterward

not even from a "you should believe everything I say" perspective but from a "you should not be 100% convinced that this tinfoil theory is correct" perspective

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:46 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:44 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:38 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:37 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:35 pm You go after Fext for having me in top towns and you on the bottom.

Like...have you actually done anything?
No. I have given almost no reads, but you think the non-existant reads are garbage... even though I haven't given them... because you're just trying to discredit my push on you and don't have real thoughts about me.
I think if I get lynched at this rate I want you lynched right after.
I'll buy into that
I'm switching it, should be Mac after Sean tbh.

With how Sean is playing this, could just be teamed with Mac but I think Mac is just wolfier in comparison.

not sure I agree for reasons just stated but idk mac

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:45 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:42 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:42 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:35 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:33 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:25 pm

Didn't he say that he read that game and everyone during and post game was saying that they were shocked?

I was super polarized before that game. Then I changed it with MM mafia.
Also Fext appears to be the only one objectively reading me this game, so I'm thinking it's not mafia agenda oriented. Like why the fuck would this dude be pocketing me when I have attention on me?
You understand why one of you or Fext absolutely has to be the chop today, right?
You're just making this town vs town wagons...like why?
This is a serious question though. Do you understand why I strongly believe one of you or Fext absolutely has to be the chop today?
Not at all. The point to mafia is to lynch wolves. Not towns.
Okay, thank you. This essentially confirms that you're mafia as well to me. I was a bit worried that maybe Fext had heard that from someone else in scum chat, but nah, you're doubling down on defending him and not willing to acknowledge that his knowledge about you is extremely suspicious (which it REALLY should be extremely suspicious from a town!LC perspective).

why do people keep telling me I'm suspicious for having reads and then demand more reads from me

like

lol

everything you need is right there

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:17 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game
found Lime Coke's partner, game is over

that all being said

I do think this thought is novel and clever in a way that's probably townier than not?

not sure how good mac is at faking stuff like that, I know rag absolutely could

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:38 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:37 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:35 pm You go after Fext for having me in top towns and you on the bottom.

Like...have you actually done anything?
No. I have given almost no reads, but you think the non-existant reads are garbage... even though I haven't given them... because you're just trying to discredit my push on you and don't have real thoughts about me.
I think if I get lynched at this rate I want you lynched right after.

I'll buy into that

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:42 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:40 pmYou're just making this town vs town wagons...like why?
This is a serious question though. Do you understand why I strongly believe one of you or Fext absolutely has to be the chop today?

no

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:41 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:39 pmWhy are you trying to convince him of the source where he found the information?
Because we just caught two scum and I'm ecstatically laying out the case.

I don't think I'd ever use the word "ecstatic" to describe you

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:39 pm Just because you're all bad at wolfhunting doesn't mean whoever is good at wolfhunting is TMIing.

ha

I wish

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:07 pm I don't think Wilgy's read is that objectionable. He's just saying "there's no real reason to put Creature up high, which means you know something about Creature we don't and have an outside agenda regarding him".

lol

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:01 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm also it's not a nitpick if you're pushing me because "regardless of whether creature is scum or town, you reading him in your townier group is always malicious" to call that out as being gross

he can either be one or the other and you choosing to always ascribe that to pointing towards me being evil is senseless at best and outright malicious itself at worst
[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

This is nonsense. If you have an incoherent or illogical read on someone, that is suspicious behavior regardless of the alignment of the person you were reading.

bruh

although I suppose that's probably why your vote is on LC instead of me lel

Except they aren't because why would it have been mentioned and why would I have talked about it lmao

If you know anything about me it's that I'm not new to the concept of mafia and I'm not an idiot

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:32 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:31 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:31 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:28 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:27 pm

Honestly don't remember what I looked at or why

Wasn't really a rhyme or reason to it

All I vividly remember is people congratulating Lime Coke for an awesome and unexpected game

Most of the rest was just looking at the OP and skimming to gauge what the general temperature was here (being a new site and all)

If it helps you can go see that I was originally trying to sign up for Urist's game and it filled just before I actually inned

So now I'm here
aproximately how many games did you look at?
Can you give me any details from other games that you looked at?

Did you look at this game specifically because LC was in it, or just because?
I don't remember which game it was

also why would I care about LC in particular
Did you look at other games? Do you remember anything from any of them if you did?
probably and literally not a thing
Weird how well you remember this very specific detail about LC though... it seems like you had to have read that game pretty closely, but the rest of the games you didn't read closely?

I didn't read any game closely

I picked that up purely from the postgame

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:35 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:33 pm @Fext did you read LC's game before or after you got your rolecard for this game?
before I inned to urist's game
Really?

p sure yeah

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:35 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:33 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:23 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:19 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:18 pm Mac is actually mafia then...got it.
Ah yes the old mac is mafia because argument. I love that one.
You're obvious.

It's a town L because people aren't paying attention but at least I got you right.
Do you think it's weird that Fext knew you had just won a mafia game, that you were polarized before that, and that everyone was surprised by how well you played that mafia game?
Didn't he say that he read that game and everyone during and post game was saying that they were shocked?

I was super polarized before that game. Then I changed it with MM mafia.
Also Fext appears to be the only one objectively reading me this game, so I'm thinking it's not mafia agenda oriented. Like why the fuck would this dude be pocketing me when I have attention on me?
You understand why one of you or Fext absolutely has to be the chop today, right?

no because the argument it's impossible for me to know this other than being exactly LC's partner is silly

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:33 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:31 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:29 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:29 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:28 pmDid you read any of my high quality content?
not that I can remember

although I get the impression "high quality" is a generous label
Based on what?
just the feeling I get from your approach and how people talk about you

(if banter isn't welcome lmk and I can lay off)
Banter is fine, in fact, as long as you can take a punch, you are welcome to disrespect me as much as you want and I won't think ill of you. (but site rules indicate you can't, so maybe keep it to mild banter or you'll be hearing from Dunya)

likewise and noted

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:33 pm @Fext did you read LC's game before or after you got your rolecard for this game?

before I inned to urist's game

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:57 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:51 pm if the rest of y'all wanna fight me on LC that's fine but I'd imagine somebody under pressure to perform from just having won a scum game that surprised everyone would probably feel a bit more... crafted? specific? in their posting

NAA made me

and after last game I am hesitant to give you too much cred sorry not sorry (although do feel free to elaborate on what makes you obvtown, by all means :P)
#91 and #92 strike me as crafted, specific posts that emanate a strong desire to be townread and explain/justify his actions (which would jive with someone who's under pressure to perform well as scum).

In #89 and #91, he talks about his response to Seanzie questioning his Mac read.

I took a "I'm going to prove you wrong for doubting my read and lock Mac town in response to make myself look good by correctly reading him after 5 posts" approach.

In terms of the stuff talking to Seanzie...that's again me deciding to become arrogant and double down on someone doubting my read ability, and since it's Mac I figured I can make reading him look easy.
Again, this points towards someone who has an "out to prove myself" mindset, and suggests that his brash attitude towards Seanzie was artificial to at least some extent.

What about LC's posts strike you as organic and free flowing?

I wouldn't say organic/free-flowing so much as I'd say "unfiltered"

like I'd expect more censorship/self-editing before posting

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:31 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:28 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:27 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:17 pm

found Lime Coke's partner, game is over
Actually this is a really good point...

@Fext exactly where did you poke around, and how much of each game you looked at did you read?
Honestly don't remember what I looked at or why

Wasn't really a rhyme or reason to it

All I vividly remember is people congratulating Lime Coke for an awesome and unexpected game

Most of the rest was just looking at the OP and skimming to gauge what the general temperature was here (being a new site and all)

If it helps you can go see that I was originally trying to sign up for Urist's game and it filled just before I actually inned

So now I'm here
aproximately how many games did you look at?
Can you give me any details from other games that you looked at?

Did you look at this game specifically because LC was in it, or just because?
I don't remember which game it was

also why would I care about LC in particular
Did you look at other games? Do you remember anything from any of them if you did?

probably and literally not a thing

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:29 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:29 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:28 pmDid you read any of my high quality content?
not that I can remember

although I get the impression "high quality" is a generous label
Based on what?

just the feeling I get from your approach and how people talk about you

(if banter isn't welcome lmk and I can lay off)

as for other games

I know there was another mountainous hosted by Alison

and that might be about it

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:28 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:27 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:17 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game
found Lime Coke's partner, game is over
Actually this is a really good point...

@Fext exactly where did you poke around, and how much of each game you looked at did you read?
Honestly don't remember what I looked at or why

Wasn't really a rhyme or reason to it

All I vividly remember is people congratulating Lime Coke for an awesome and unexpected game

Most of the rest was just looking at the OP and skimming to gauge what the general temperature was here (being a new site and all)

If it helps you can go see that I was originally trying to sign up for Urist's game and it filled just before I actually inned

So now I'm here
aproximately how many games did you look at?
Can you give me any details from other games that you looked at?

Did you look at this game specifically because LC was in it, or just because?

I don't remember which game it was

also why would I care about LC in particular

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:28 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:27 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:17 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game
found Lime Coke's partner, game is over
Actually this is a really good point...

@Fext exactly where did you poke around, and how much of each game you looked at did you read?
Honestly don't remember what I looked at or why

Wasn't really a rhyme or reason to it

All I vividly remember is people congratulating Lime Coke for an awesome and unexpected game

Most of the rest was just looking at the OP and skimming to gauge what the general temperature was here (being a new site and all)

If it helps you can go see that I was originally trying to sign up for Urist's game and it filled just before I actually inned

So now I'm here
Did you read any of my high quality content?

not that I can remember

although I get the impression "high quality" is a generous label

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:26 pm @Fext since you're here, talk to me. Do it in that fast-posty way you usually do.

lmao

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:17 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game
found Lime Coke's partner, game is over
Actually this is a really good point...

@Fext exactly where did you poke around, and how much of each game you looked at did you read?

Honestly don't remember what I looked at or why

Wasn't really a rhyme or reason to it

All I vividly remember is people congratulating Lime Coke for an awesome and unexpected game

Most of the rest was just looking at the OP and skimming to gauge what the general temperature was here (being a new site and all)

If it helps you can go see that I was originally trying to sign up for Urist's game and it filled just before I actually inned

So now I'm here

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:19 pm @Fext How do you typically approach a game with new players (new to you), what are your go-to things to scum read / town read? Top 1-2 things you look for.

Well I have yet to play a game with players who aren't new to me (at least mostly)

Generally I would look for people who are skating by and not actively contributing, as in ToS these are the slots that are scum probably like 75-80% of the time

This backfired horribly in my first game on ZD and although we still won I honestly got played p hard

Arguably same in my third game, wherein I subbed in and although we did lynch the non-contributing scum I went into LyLo with the exact wrong team and only figured it out just before EoD through the actual scum (including Seanzie) focusing way more on myself and the other active townie than on each other (and we only won that game through what I will describe as complete bullshit, it absolutely should have been a loss)

So I guess this is just a long way of saying I haven't decided on one or two things that seem to actually work consistently yet

But I'll call stuff when I see it and see where my gut takes me

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:48 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:07 pm no wait it clearly is and I'm dumb for thinking you didn't think it was bs aren't I

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:09 pm putting that ploy aside

if it helps you any NAA I am in fact town
What the fuck does this mean? What is the "ploy" referenced?

I thought NAA was making up having read my last game without having actually searched a game out

It turns out he just found three games ago rather than my actual last game (and given I had subbed into my last game, I knew that he wasn't using it as a point of comparison based on how he was approaching it)

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:43 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:29 am It's a matter of how people think, really

If you're gathering early votes as mafia in a game with no PRs in particular I'm sure the very last thing you want is to avoid giving people a fact that may help to lower their suspicion of you. Ergo, I would have found NAA not doing that to have been quite towny.

Basically, it's not a matter of me thinking he'd not have an explanation for why he voted me, but instead just the fact that if he chose to essentially redirect pressure on himself into positive force elsewhere without including a semi-relevant fact in his defense that doesn't actually do anything to help determine anyone's alignment, it would be indicative to me of a focus on solving over self-defense at a time when that would conventionally be completely unnecessary to go out of your way to project.

Considering he did not, and so I have not made any definitive statements on his alignment, I'm confused what you're all up in arms about - even if you disagree with my logic there, I'm not using it to make any actual reads in this game at the moment lol
So you're saying that NAA is town for not defending himself when he could have, because as town he'd care more about solving than defending himself, and as scum he wouldn't care about solving and would only care about defending himself. Except that's a false dichotomy, because as town he could easily go "Well, I voted Mac first, but if you wanna know why I voted Fext, here's why: blah blah".

I'm "up in arms" about your logic because I think it doesn't make sense. You were presenting it as part of your thought process, a conditional you were using to evaluate NAA's alignment. If your thought process/conditional isn't coherent, then I'm inclined to think it was never part of a genuine solving process and was just something you made up to look like you were trying to solve NAA.

Yeah and my point is had he not done that and just said the bit about me I woulda found it towny

This is a conditional that doesn't apply because it isn't what he did

So arguments about how I'm applying it in solving NAA are invalid because I'm expressly not applying it to solve NAA

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:40 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:23 pm also Alison came in, threw shade on people I think are townier and townread somebody I don't and then dipped

what part of that makes it so that I simply must townread her
Who are the townier folks in your mind? Why are they towny?

Who do you see as scum currently?
bruh
I mean, you've got LC at the very bottom of your town list, and Alison has thrown sus their way. Why are you town reading them?

bruh

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:51 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm what I have on creature is that he feels similarly to me despite others bashing him for expressing his thoughts

as I already said

not sure what deeper meaning you're searching for but it doesn't exist

also it's not a nitpick if you're pushing me because "regardless of whether creature is scum or town, you reading him in your townier group is always malicious" to call that out as being gross

he can either be one or the other and you choosing to always ascribe that to pointing towards me being evil is senseless at best and outright malicious itself at worst
Now let me say this partner, I reckon you have nothing to put him in your town leans. You putting him in your town leans is a take that I don't like and feels malicious regardless if you're right or wrong. That was the point.

well they're my reads not yours so you can kindly take a hike

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:23 pm also Alison came in, threw shade on people I think are townier and townread somebody I don't and then dipped

what part of that makes it so that I simply must townread her
Who are the townier folks in your mind? Why are they towny?

Who do you see as scum currently?

bruh

what I have on creature is that he feels similarly to me despite others bashing him for expressing his thoughts

as I already said

not sure what deeper meaning you're searching for but it doesn't exist

also it's not a nitpick if you're pushing me because "regardless of whether creature is scum or town, you reading him in your townier group is always malicious" to call that out as being gross

he can either be one or the other and you choosing to always ascribe that to pointing towards me being evil is senseless at best and outright malicious itself at worst

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