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- Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:18 am
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
I wasn't able to cheese a cheap win after a D1 mafia elimination in FTL, so I'll cheese a cheap win this time instead. I have 8 more posts.
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:30 am
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- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Interactions of DS and dunya
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Conclusion:
It's not a completely sterling report. The things that speak to me loudest are to her credit, however. Gun to my head she is not DS's teammate.
Interactions of DS and Duskfall
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Conclusion:
I think this works favorably for Duskfall. Even his own silence on DS does not strike me as the stuff of teammates -- those kinds of one-sided interactions tend to come in via suspicions being ignored or the like. In this case it looks like Dusk is ignoring a mafioso who is actively trying to ingratiate himself to him.
Interactions of DS and Epignosis
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Conclusion:
I don't think Epignosis is DS's teammate.
Spoiler: show
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Conclusion:
It's not a completely sterling report. The things that speak to me loudest are to her credit, however. Gun to my head she is not DS's teammate.
Interactions of DS and Duskfall
Spoiler: show
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Conclusion:
I think this works favorably for Duskfall. Even his own silence on DS does not strike me as the stuff of teammates -- those kinds of one-sided interactions tend to come in via suspicions being ignored or the like. In this case it looks like Dusk is ignoring a mafioso who is actively trying to ingratiate himself to him.
Interactions of DS and Epignosis
Spoiler: show
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Conclusion:
I don't think Epignosis is DS's teammate.
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:29 am
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Interactions of DS and JiwonMeganPark
Conclusion:
Jiwon is a compatible teammate of DS. I think the case for her can be isolated to that hammer, so I hope others will speak to their perspectives on that.
Interactions of DS and Long Con
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Conclusion:
I wish I had more to talk about, but I like it anyway -- especially LC's handling of the lover claim. I dig.
Interactions of DS and MacDougall
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Conclusion:
Mac is a compatible teammate of DS. None of this moves me at all.
Spoiler: show
Conclusion:
Jiwon is a compatible teammate of DS. I think the case for her can be isolated to that hammer, so I hope others will speak to their perspectives on that.
Interactions of DS and Long Con
Spoiler: show
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Conclusion:
I wish I had more to talk about, but I like it anyway -- especially LC's handling of the lover claim. I dig.
Interactions of DS and MacDougall
Spoiler: show
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Conclusion:
Mac is a compatible teammate of DS. None of this moves me at all.
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:08 am
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
[mention]Epignosis[/mention] my assumption is that my post limit picks up where Jack left off. I will verify.
Interactions of DS and nutella
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Conclusion:
This is a mixed bag. I am not inclined to remove nutella from the POE pool.
Interactions of DS and TonyStarkPrime
Conclusion:
What little there is to talk about is lacking in substance. I'm not inclined to remove him from the suspect pool.
Interactions of DS and nutella
Spoiler: show
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Conclusion:
This is a mixed bag. I am not inclined to remove nutella from the POE pool.
Interactions of DS and TonyStarkPrime
Spoiler: show
Conclusion:
What little there is to talk about is lacking in substance. I'm not inclined to remove him from the suspect pool.
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:12 am
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
On the basis of those interactions, I'd split it this way:
dunya
Duskfall
Epignosis
Long Con
JiwonMeganPark
MacDougall
nutella
TonyStarkPrime
Mac is my top suspect. His being crammed into DS's POE is probably my least favorite thing among all those reviews.
dunya
Duskfall
Epignosis
Long Con
JiwonMeganPark
MacDougall
nutella
TonyStarkPrime
Mac is my top suspect. His being crammed into DS's POE is probably my least favorite thing among all those reviews.
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:22 am
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
I paid only cursory attention to the game, but no I didn't have any suspicions of DS. leetic is a hero to us all, and may he rest in glorydunya wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:17 am i love Jay! <3 i'm wasting a post to say that. welcome to the game boo.
but jay, did you think DS was bad? i need to know for my ego, pls. cos in hindsight, his angleshooting was such an obviously scummy thing and i'm mad i didn't pursue all the bad tings it made me feel more.
my top suspects are still nutella and mac, but i can't take LC out of the pool like Jay does. i do retract my town read on jiwon, though, and think she deserves some more scrutiny from me.
also thanks hi dunia! Tell me all of your worries about fears about Long Con.
I'll respond to this because you're dunia and I'm literally right here. Given the tight restrictions on posting, however, I will be conservative about saying anything through the remainder of the night. If folks have questions/concerns about shit, put 'em in here and I will respond in bulk.
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:23 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
I saw nothing to support that assertion anywhere in the thread. Mac's a boob.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:27 am Hey Jay's in this game. Jay what do you think about Mac claiming to have been town cleared from the DS death?
I've one question stemming from your nutella review -- what about nutella's handling of the angleshoot crap is suggestive to you that she knew what's going on and/or what about it does not resemble a town nutella that is pissed?
Also regarding your review of LC, you covered a decent amount of ground and I cannot discern what your conclusion is. Is he a suspect or no?
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:14 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
I looked at your ISO to learn about your Jiwon suspicion and was confronted with a "multiquote post felt off", "lol hmm", and "weird vibes".
Please miss can I have some more
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:18 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
I can understand your perspective in a roundabout way in that I think what you describe applies to Mac in parallel. He paid more attention to Mac than to nutella, but he did nothing with it and stuffed him awkwardly into the POE pile next to leetic and Epignosis -- two players for whom he could more easily justify that placement given his posts. I got the impression that DS cared about Mac's existence but not Mac's posts.dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:09 pm ftr this is all reached in hindsight after DS. flipped. and then i notice how he ignored all her posts directed to him. isn't that odd too? she quoted him maybe 4 times (3 times about the angleshoot and once about discrediting his epi read) and not once did he directly respond to her, she who was a solid town read for him. he didn't seem to ignore TSP, Epi, or me or anyone who placed him unfavorably in their rainbows or voted for him (jaggedjack and mac respectively). it doesn't fit my mold of DS. to ignore criticism which made me wonder if he's ignoring nutella cos he literally didn't care or feel threatened by her.
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:35 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
I get two more posts!
I have nothing to say about Jack's posts. I will snort though that you're suggesting any instance of Jack shoving one of his fecking gifs in someone's face is cause for suspicion. You fakennnn
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:53 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
No, I'm drawing a parallel in DS's treatment of nutella as you described it to what I interpreted from DS's treatment of Mac. I have no reason off-hand to dissociate the two of them so you could be right. The only immediate question I have on that front is whether a mafia team of more than two is ever balanced in a game of 11 that already hampers the civilians with post count restrictions. Nanook comes from a different culture though, and in his Mafia 451 game I believe the ratio was unusual (17:6 if I recall correctly), so if anyone builds that game he could.
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:33 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Welp wouldja look at that.
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22 posts is a puny number, so I am going to do my best to consolidate everything I do into multi-quotes and larger posts. I apologize in advance to your eyeballs, but it is necessary.
What in the piss are you talking about nutellanutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:32 pmLMAO thanks for the scumclaim, makes my job easier.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:35 pm I get two more posts!
I have nothing to say about Jack's posts. I will snort though that you're suggesting any instance of Jack shoving one of his fecking gifs in someone's face is cause for suspicion. You fakennnn
This is confirmed mafia yall.
[VOTE: jaggedjimmyjay] aubergine
.....i wrote this before the night post and im pissed i cant vote him. likely mafia ability tho so we'll get him eventually
You're a hard person to read Jiwon, so please clarify whether or not you're serious. I wouldn't put it past Nanook to put two of these in a game; he is an agent of chaos. Why do you want to send Mac to his grisly demise? Please tell me everything, Jiwon. Everything.JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:53 pm I am platonic lovers with mac, DKDK'ing Mac will solve all of our problems~
Vote: Macdougall
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22 posts is a puny number, so I am going to do my best to consolidate everything I do into multi-quotes and larger posts. I apologize in advance to your eyeballs, but it is necessary.
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:59 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
nutella I don't believe your suspicion of me is real. You were sat in a Night 1 taking a rash of shit from at least dunya and I within a narrow POE pool. So you decided to fill the gap with the last interactive review (mine) and end up with this extremely convenient conclusion:
You're not exploring the alignment of my player slot. You picked an alignment for it. That has gotten worse now, where I get this "LMAO" and "confirmed mafia" horseshit. You're fake.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
You want to stick my slot into the POE pool because you don't see conclusive evidence for dissociation in that review? Fine. I don't think that's what you did. You collected an assortment of nitpicky shit, selected the bad interpretation without fail, and landed at the conclusion that you frankly need if you are a mafioso. Anything that broadens the POE pool is gold, and I represent an available means to do that as a replacement into an uncleared slot.
You're not exploring the alignment of my player slot. You picked an alignment for it. That has gotten worse now, where I get this "LMAO" and "confirmed mafia" horseshit. You're fake.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:32 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
I probably put a slot with a bunch of nothing in the POE pool, yes. Again, this is not what you did. You went straight to hot garbage, and at my first incredulous reply you took it to 11 and said I "claimed mafia". That's not "going hard". That's bullshitting.nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:06 pm linki: it's not a bullshit read. your slot's interaction with DS is hot garbage and you know this. if you were reviewing that slot from a neutral position you would have it as orange, I am certain. sure there's nothing really conclusive, but to me it fits the exact mold of a teammate pairing, partially because of the lack of material.
No two games are the same. I had nowhere to go but to trust you in FTL, where literally my entire faction went to sleep for the whole game. You were the only other person doing anything, and credit to you for taking proper advantage of that environment. This environment is not the same, and the dynamic changes accordingly. You're a quality player with a diverse skillset that does not limit you to treating me in identical ways in every game, particularly when they are consecutive. So that is not going to cut it.
Why is Tony town?nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:06 pmBesides, you are the one who broadened the POE pool too much. You concluded your interactive exercise with a 50/50 split, which is not your typical pattern. You are leaving your options open. I have exactly three suspects.
Damn I so wish I could vote for you. But I think Jiwon is pretty likely your partner here so it's ok.
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:42 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
I'd like thoughts on this thing. leetic was the subject of much grief throughout Day 1, and DS contributed to that:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:29 amSpoiler: show
Mac has earned a spot in the POE of three alongside the day's greatest sufferer of pressure (leetic) and DS's target for louder suspicions (Epignosis). Mac stands out in that regard. Not a fan.
Click
Click
Click
etc
DS also gave Epignosis a bunch of crap:
Click
Click
Click
Click
The presence of leetic and Epignosis in the POE pile at the bottom of DS's reads list is consistent with all of the above. DS did not show the same antipathy to Mac:
Banter
??? reasons
Generic prod for a vote
Jokes
Mac stands out in that POE pile.
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:33 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
dunya is the reason I'm off the poll. I was notified I'd been buffed which is precisely what her role does.
Both of my top suspects have tried to play that against me now. Even if I cannot receive votes, I can be discredited.
I feel very comfortable with the state of this game. nutella and Mac could just be the team.
Both of my top suspects have tried to play that against me now. Even if I cannot receive votes, I can be discredited.
I feel very comfortable with the state of this game. nutella and Mac could just be the team.
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:03 pm
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- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Apparently your suspects are the same as my own nutella, with yourself replaced with me. You refer to Tony as a sort of “alternate” for the POE pool, which doesn’t strike me as a significant departure from my own pool. What does this say to you?
[mention]MacDougall[/mention], did Jiwon give any indication of suspicion of you in your BTSC?
[mention]MacDougall[/mention], did Jiwon give any indication of suspicion of you in your BTSC?
- Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:13 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Also, Cats vs. Dogs is at least one gigantic ugly-ass spot.
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I will likely be hampered in my ability to remain active during this day phase. I have an extremely busy weekend ahead with work, a podcast, and my father’s 60th. Use me up now folks.
One thing I haven’t done is read the thread in full sequence. Down with ketchup. It’s short enough to bother, so I’ll see how that impacts my view of things.
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:51 am
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
nutella’s claim can be corroborated by at least two others (Mac being one), which means to me that there is no immediate urgency to eliminate her. The role as described would not have great utility for the mafia, but could for the civilians.
[mention]Epignosis[/mention], you asked for “evidence” regarding dunya’s buff. All I know is what I was informed of and what her role card says. It’s technically possible some other mechanic is in play; it would be quite a coincidence. Also let me know if this updated tagging/mention feature still gives you problems.
[mention]MacDougall[/mention] you resisted outing the role. nutella leads the poll and is two short of the hammer as I type this. Did you have a plan to intervene?
[mention]JiwonMeganPark[/mention] did your suspicion of Mac increase in BTSC? What did that man say to you? It’s okay you can tell JJJ.
[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
I’m on my phone so fuck quotes
[mention]Epignosis[/mention], you asked for “evidence” regarding dunya’s buff. All I know is what I was informed of and what her role card says. It’s technically possible some other mechanic is in play; it would be quite a coincidence. Also let me know if this updated tagging/mention feature still gives you problems.
[mention]MacDougall[/mention] you resisted outing the role. nutella leads the poll and is two short of the hammer as I type this. Did you have a plan to intervene?
[mention]JiwonMeganPark[/mention] did your suspicion of Mac increase in BTSC? What did that man say to you? It’s okay you can tell JJJ.
[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
I’m on my phone so fuck quotes
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:00 am
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
[mention]Long Con[/mention] it does my heart proud when you play to solve. I appreciate your legwork in casing nutella. However she may look, however, her claim is a strong one. If she has a civilian role then she is a civilian.
If anyone feels that role is appropriate for the mafia team, you should speak up.
If anyone feels that role is appropriate for the mafia team, you should speak up.
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:59 am
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] why Duskfall?
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:42 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
You look like DS's teammate and have given nothing that suggests you're not.
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:44 pm
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- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Indeed, you suggested before that you ought to look good with respect to DS, Mac. If you explain why that's the case I will listen. I believe you mentioned earlier that he was "tilted" about your vote being on him -- I don't interpret much "tilt" in his handling of you and I don't view that as interesting anyway.
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:47 pm
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
[mention]Duskfall[/mention] I have no idea what your reads are right now.
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:50 pm
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
What about Mac's interaction with this role cop stuff gives you a positive impression?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:25 amBut I'm not sure if Mac interacts about being given a role cop as he did if he's scum. So I changed my mind. Gonna wait on Jiwon I guess.
- Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:22 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
That's definitely Mafia 451.Duskfall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:20 pmIdt you need to rnJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:47 pm @Duskfall I have no idea what your reads are right now.
re: Mac and the role cop thing -- if he received that information from another player, can he justify withholding it? Player X has him under surveillance.
- Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:14 am
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Okay then
F o l l o w
T h e
R u l e s
G a n g
F o l l o w
T h e
R u l e s
G a n g
- Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:15 am
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Tony I have read this multiple times and still cannot figure out what you’re talking aboutTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:03 am So look at this from my perspective. I’m clearing dusk for getting a bad role, which was NAI exactly until DS flipped vanilla. We’re at like 4 civ power roles? 5? Actually could be 8 Civ w/ power against 3 vanilla. I take back this argument, but I also recall Duskfall being pretty heavily involved in setup balance debates in favor of 8-3. This would seem like an unnecessary risk to scum in that 3, they’d feel like they’d risk giving something away. I’m on my phone now and there’s a post limit and I can’t check all of these interactions, but I have a generally good feel about Dusk. I know it’s not me. So I’m not really a fan of your POE, Mac. (Don’t bother replying to this if you’re low on post, you can fit something in later)
- Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:17 am
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- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Whatever [VOTE:
No kill] aubergine
[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] that should be hammer
[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] that should be hammer
- Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:35 am
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- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
No.
I’ll say more when I get home.
Attend my concert!
I’ll say more when I get home.
Attend my concert!
- Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:45 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Nevermind my concert, I forgot half of my role. Had at least half of you attended it would have automatically redirected the night kill to me, which would have been wonderful. But it doesn't work entering a Mimlo/Limlo so meh
- Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:49 pm
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- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
I am considering a dialogue I had yesterday in the spec chat with our friends Ranmilla and Arapocalypse about Mimlo situations -- they suggest it is optimal to engage in no hunting during this period (essentially right now for us in this open night phase) as a means of 1) saving energy for the Limlo hunt with almost all of the same information available, 2) removing one player from the focus of that hunt, and 3) limiting information for the mafia to decide their kill. It's compelling and I am inclined to give it a try here.
I still intend to review the game on my own and determine where I stand on everything. I may not share it though. I am open to dissent there. It's counter to my usual methods, but I am rather fascinated by it as a chance for personal growth and experimentation.
I still intend to review the game on my own and determine where I stand on everything. I may not share it though. I am open to dissent there. It's counter to my usual methods, but I am rather fascinated by it as a chance for personal growth and experimentation.
- Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:42 pm
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
If I am alive, I will stop at nothing. I'm JaggedJimmyJay.
- Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:45 pm
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- Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:25 pm
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- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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- Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:58 am
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
All two-way interactions
Note first that these analyses come embedded with a presupposition -- that Duskfall spoke truth about our arrival to Mimlo. If Duskfall is town, then there must be two mafia remaining. If Duskfall is mafia, there still could be two remaining, but not necessarily.
Duskfall and Epignosis
The theme between these two is mutual trust without a great deal of development or elucidation. They have supported one another and left to the reader to discern why. Much of this content is superfluous, i.e. talk of setup balance blah blah. They would be quite compatible as mafia teammates.
Duskfall and Long Con
There are a few isolated moments in this dialogue that I think are telling -- I have highlighted them. If Long Con is a mafioso, he has taken some angles against Duskfall that I don't think look like distancing. That "KYLO" thing would be a pretty meaningless gotcha, for example. I don't think these two are likely mafia teammates.
Duskfall and nutella
The most telling stuff here is Duskfall's commentary about nutella's role and asking for a hard claim after the hard claim had already been made. That doesn't strike me as something a mafia team cooks up for the sake of appearances; it is a bizarre interchange that to me suggests dissociation.
Duskfall and TonyStarkPrime
There's really not a lot going on here. None of this speaks to me, and I would call them technically compatible as mafia teammates.
Epignosis and Long Con
I have concerns here. Epignosis has never provided a read on Long Con in this game. He hedged in that "would/would not eliminate" list, made a note about one DS interaction without a conclusion, and has left the read undeveloped. Long Con has been predominantly pro-Epignosis, albeit with at least one hedge of his own (highlighted). I would call these two compatible as mafia teammates.
Epignosis and nutella
These two are not mafia teammates. Epi's aggressions against nutella bear no resemblance to the behaviors I would tend to associate with his mafia play -- particularly his attack upon her in the way of dunya being killed and his "but why" responses to her hatred of my guts.
Epignosis and TonyStarkPrime
Tony's entrance into the game speaks to me here. He voiced displeasure with the state of affairs and placed the finger of blame squarely on Epignosis. Whether that was fair or not, I don't think it looks like the stuff of teammates.
Note first that these analyses come embedded with a presupposition -- that Duskfall spoke truth about our arrival to Mimlo. If Duskfall is town, then there must be two mafia remaining. If Duskfall is mafia, there still could be two remaining, but not necessarily.
Duskfall and Epignosis
Spoiler: show
The theme between these two is mutual trust without a great deal of development or elucidation. They have supported one another and left to the reader to discern why. Much of this content is superfluous, i.e. talk of setup balance blah blah. They would be quite compatible as mafia teammates.
Duskfall and Long Con
Spoiler: show
There are a few isolated moments in this dialogue that I think are telling -- I have highlighted them. If Long Con is a mafioso, he has taken some angles against Duskfall that I don't think look like distancing. That "KYLO" thing would be a pretty meaningless gotcha, for example. I don't think these two are likely mafia teammates.
Duskfall and nutella
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The most telling stuff here is Duskfall's commentary about nutella's role and asking for a hard claim after the hard claim had already been made. That doesn't strike me as something a mafia team cooks up for the sake of appearances; it is a bizarre interchange that to me suggests dissociation.
Duskfall and TonyStarkPrime
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There's really not a lot going on here. None of this speaks to me, and I would call them technically compatible as mafia teammates.
Epignosis and Long Con
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I have concerns here. Epignosis has never provided a read on Long Con in this game. He hedged in that "would/would not eliminate" list, made a note about one DS interaction without a conclusion, and has left the read undeveloped. Long Con has been predominantly pro-Epignosis, albeit with at least one hedge of his own (highlighted). I would call these two compatible as mafia teammates.
Epignosis and nutella
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These two are not mafia teammates. Epi's aggressions against nutella bear no resemblance to the behaviors I would tend to associate with his mafia play -- particularly his attack upon her in the way of dunya being killed and his "but why" responses to her hatred of my guts.
Epignosis and TonyStarkPrime
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Tony's entrance into the game speaks to me here. He voiced displeasure with the state of affairs and placed the finger of blame squarely on Epignosis. Whether that was fair or not, I don't think it looks like the stuff of teammates.
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:59 am
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Long Con and nutella
The animosity between these two has recently amped up to 11. Under the circumstances, if either of them is a mafioso, their aggression toward the other looks like opportunism to me. They've been mutually contained with the general POE pool and opened fire with visible wrath. I don't think they're likely mafia teammates.
Long Con and TonyStarkPrime
This is nothing whatsoever. They could be mafia teammates.
nutella and TonyStarkPrime
Considering the amount of content here, I don't feel much of anything from it. There is at least technical compatibility in that nutella has sustained Tony as a middling or low-end read without making him a priority. Tony's handling of her is rather bland too. It's possible if not necessarily moving.
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The animosity between these two has recently amped up to 11. Under the circumstances, if either of them is a mafioso, their aggression toward the other looks like opportunism to me. They've been mutually contained with the general POE pool and opened fire with visible wrath. I don't think they're likely mafia teammates.
Long Con and TonyStarkPrime
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This is nothing whatsoever. They could be mafia teammates.
nutella and TonyStarkPrime
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Considering the amount of content here, I don't feel much of anything from it. There is at least technical compatibility in that nutella has sustained Tony as a middling or low-end read without making him a priority. Tony's handling of her is rather bland too. It's possible if not necessarily moving.
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:59 am
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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~ nutella looks the cleanest with respect to game-building, and that's fitting given her role claim. She should be challenged anyway.
~ I do not boast the same confidence about anyone else.
~ Epignosis and Long Con fit together. Gun to my head, that's the team. Duskfall also warrants closer inspection; the standard must be higher at Limlo and he hasn't done anything that provides him conclusive clearance.
~ Tony is an enigma. Again at the Limlo standard he demands attention and interrogation. Don't let anyone off easy.
~ General note: ensure you are solving the other players and not solving the host. We can never know exactly what Nanook had in mind with this setup, and there are strict limitations to purely mechanical solutions. Take your evidence seriously, but leave no stones unturned.
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:28 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Okay then
I am dealing with a completely dead phone and will need to spend much of today getting it fixed. I can only be here when I am at my computer unless I can make that happen. Expect me later this evening
I am dealing with a completely dead phone and will need to spend much of today getting it fixed. I can only be here when I am at my computer unless I can make that happen. Expect me later this evening
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:30 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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[mention]Epignosis[/mention] believe it or don't, but if you're a civilian it's imperative you get your vote off of me immediately. If two mafia live, they're going to hammer me and there is nothing I can do to prevent that. I am dragging my laptop around on my back and can only find sparse wi-fi right now. Let me do my thing in the evening.
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:57 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
This is horseshit.Duskfall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:36 pm Ok jjj's role is not what he claimed if he get's the concert vote he becomes immune (fails going into lylo) so he has lied multiple times this game, including coming into lylo. So jjj is either scum here or we get to blame the game on him for fakeclaiming for no real reason last night, trying to get immunity.
Aside from that i am going to accept long con as town for sending me jjj's role pm and sending town a role pm n1 also. Epi is probably town due to relations with jjj today, apparently voting and unvoting jjj makes it unlikely scumpartner. So team here is almost definitely just jjj + tony
My claim was true, and I only provided it because why the hell not -- by the point I wanted to make use of it, we had been double-modkilled into Mimlo and neutralized it. Duskfall has crafted this fake claim out of the real role I provided and melded it with my having been removed from a poll most likely by dunya.
Epi popping in now with a new view that my claim was "bogus" probably means those two are the team. They fit together in my review, and I will expand on that now.
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:10 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
I bet Long Con did send him the role. As I understand it, he doesn't see what the role is. His target does.
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:18 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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- Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:20 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Forgive my abysmal spoilers. That's another experiment.
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:21 pm
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- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Yes. Right. Agreed.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:14 pmThat is right, but I'm not the one counterclaiming you.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:10 pm I bet Long Con did send him the role. As I understand it, he doesn't see what the role is. His target does.
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:33 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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It's an efficient manner of compiling content into one place and making judgments without tirelessly commenting on every single post when I don't even know who is going to be night killed. It's a baseline, a platform to spring from, and if necessary a legacy. The highlighted thing is not a good faith assessment of what I did.
The second line is garbage. You don't give a shit about distance. The last time I caught you, it was because you treated your GOC partner Sloonei like a fucking mime. You didn't distance shit.
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The "essential question" is "how do we win the Mafia game?". You're playing dumb here. There's a reason I take this approach to solving so often -- it is effective. This isn't some novel shit. You know this.
Relationships with DS are important and should be considered. When the game state clearly demands reassessment however, as you illustrate this one does with your strikethroughs, then this split no longer holds water. There must be something wrong in that green pile. That's why I have to charge myself with the task of figuring it out by way of interactions beyond just DS. Because it was DS that led me to that split in the first place. Which is why this is trash:
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You know better than this. You behave as if I am meant to plop my ass on the reads I made four days ago and hope for the best. Civilians don't win that way.
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I don't care what you think of this approach. You are the world's least graceful receptor of change or new ideas. Whatever your alignment you're going to gripe with this because it's not what you know. That's what you do. I want to improve my play, and sometimes that means trying approaches that I wouldn't have otherwise considered. This is not the last time I will try this one.
1. I wonder why.
2. You don't give a shit how many posts I make. You know I can make 500 if I want to make 500.
The non-quoted shit in the spoilers is Epignosis, not me. It's a pain in the ass to fix.
- Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:35 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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- Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:27 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
I would lynch DFaraday, Sorsha, or mayyyyybe... Dragomir.
- Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:44 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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- Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:45 pm
- Forum: Previous Rackets
- Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
Long Con my dude I cannot believe it worked.