Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

[KZA]

I'd like to make sure everyone read the OP and knows that failed kill attempts will be reported in the NF if they happen. Also that factional kills can be roleblocked so Esooa might be an absolutely monstrous doctor?

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime @Oddmerta

Does it make any flavor sense for Ed to be a member of Kansas City or Gerhardt or whatever? Or a hostile 3P role?

No.

[TonyStarkPrime]

3P is ~possible

[staypositivefriend]

i can mechanically confirm myself as a villager today.

or, at least, i can use my role in such an undeniably pro-town way that i should just short of being a mechanically confirmed villager

i have no issue with outing this information because i think the wolves have several juicier kills to make tonight that aren't me, and removing myself as a suspect will make the wolves feel more boxed in than they already are

[TonyStarkPrime]

here is what i will say:

Proclick

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... gonly&ch=0

Search keyword marmot

Ez wolf pelt

yeah ted is an obvious wolf

ed and peggy smh

tony posted this right after i agreed with mac. at the very least he clearly theorized (either correctly or incorrectly) that mac and i were masons/lovers or mechanically linked in some way, which would give him incentive to shoot mac. that being said, this is not the only reason one might shoot mac so it doesn’t make tsp a wolf. but i think based on mac’s flip tony was clearly fishing for something here

I thought it was Alison and Odd :P

[falcon45ca]

Alright falcon is outter town core and Hally is group in with Odd and Alison

Over half of all your posts from all your games on Syndicate come from this 1 game.



BK so happy not to be Maf again, he's like a puppy running thru the meadow

[TonyStarkPrime]

here is what i will say:

Proclick

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... gonly&ch=0

Search keyword marmot

Ez wolf pelt

yeah ted is an obvious wolf

ed and peggy smh

tony posted this right after i agreed with mac. at the very least he clearly theorized (either correctly or incorrectly) that mac and i were masons/lovers or mechanically linked in some way, which would give him incentive to shoot mac. that being said, this is not the only reason one might shoot mac so it doesn’t make tsp a wolf. but i think based on mac’s flip tony was clearly fishing for something here

I could see Mac being killed simply because he is MacDougall and was universal town read.

so could i. i still believe tony was role fishing though. alison said that tony’s wolf meta is fishing for info. he seemed like he was trying to do that with alison and i think he was trying to do that with mac

maybe it’s wrong though. it’s just a theory

This is not Tony’s wolf meta

[Alison]

i can mechanically confirm myself as a villager today.

or, at least, i can use my role in such an undeniably pro-town way that i should just short of being a mechanically confirmed villager

i have no issue with outing this information because i think the wolves have several juicier kills to make tonight that aren't me, and removing myself as a suspect will make the wolves feel more boxed in than they already are

Do it!

[Sloonei]

that is definitely not a puppy, falcon.

[KZA]

Also WTF is an avocado surplus? Are we supposed to read in to that?

[Alison]

TSP I know for a fact you rolefished the ever loving shit out of both Mysterious Universe and Fallout 2 because I was scum in the first game and 3P in the second and did the rolefishing with you.

[falcon45ca]

that is definitely not a puppy, falcon.

Pffffft, ageist

[TonyStarkPrime]

how does it make sense to have a village role that directs other villagers but no wolves? don’t you just assume the villagers will use their actions in a pro-village way? why would they need to be directed?

also roles are clearly multifaceted in this game. every role flipped so far had more than one ability. just because alison knows one of each troopers abilities and can direct that ability doesn’t mean she knows their full role, correct?

Correct, I have their abilities but not their role cards.

What do you think about having all four troopers out and we hunt in those four? If only three claim we treat them as ICs?

Don’t do crazy bs

[TonyStarkPrime]

Marmot's role was a crooked cop.

No?

[falcon45ca]

Marmot's role was a crooked cop.

No?

What?

[Sloonei]

Also WTF is an avocado surplus? Are we supposed to read in to that?

It's when you have too many avocados, I reckon.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The four people confirmed to be townies are JJJ, Alison, Hally and MacDougall. I'm sure tutuu will get mad at me for saying this but I believe that indicates that the D1 POE is extremely accurate, especially with wolves helping us legitimately hunt and the fact that it blasted a mafia D1.

Based on the strength of this I veto any exe significantly outside the boundaries of yesterday's POE. No, I don't care if you feel oppressed that you're "not allowed" to push on your pet scumread or that Syndicate is enforcing its heinous hierarchy again.

A POE being generally on point does not mean it's 100% accurate. I'm still open to kicking the tires on the folks who aren't in the POE.

that said, I share your confidence that yesterday was heading in the right direction.

When I said significantly outside, I meant you aren't allowed to push on people like Michelle or SPF. But you can explore people like LC or KZA even if they didn't garner any votes at EOD yesterday. Make sense?

Both of these people are in poe

[TonyStarkPrime]

Mac pointed out some interactions that make Marmot and KZA look unaligned.

If we believe in that analysis then KZA would be town because I don't think he's Gerhardt.

His cop claim doesn’t do it for you?

[TonyStarkPrime]

It doesn't matter anyway because Tony the Gerhadt member who knows the show inside and out will figure out KZA's role from that clue and anti-claim kill him to resolve him.

If you think this were remotely true then why are you floating ideas where bajillions of people claim

[TonyStarkPrime]

Should Mac's mason claim?

They probably can’t

Keep reading.

They did anyways

[BoKnows]

Alright falcon is outter town core and Hally is group in with Odd and Alison

Over half of all your posts from all your games on Syndicate come from this 1 game.



BK so happy not to be Maf again, he's like a puppy running thru the meadow

I know I feel so free spirited

[BoKnows]

Also WTF is an avocado surplus? Are we supposed to read in to that?

It's when you have too many avocados, I reckon.

The price of Avocados is plummeting right now. Demand is low and supply is high. They can't even sell them they're giving them away to us!

[TonyStarkPrime]

TSP I know for a fact you rolefished the ever loving shit out of both Mysterious Universe and Fallout 2 because I was scum in the first game and 3P in the second and did the rolefishing with you.

In which Alison fails intro stats and asserts that correlation is causation

[TonyStarkPrime]

Pretty sure I did zero role fishing in Mysterious universe too

[TonyStarkPrime]

And I rolefished in fallout because I got copped and needed not to die

[Sloonei]

i’d like to kill jay’s poe and then reevaluate. i would be very surprised if we don’t bag multiple wolves just nuking his bottom tier

How would you personally rank the players in that POE, and what will you be looking for to help you determine which is the best option for us today?

i’d like to kill jay’s poe and then reevaluate. i would be very surprised if we don’t bag multiple wolves just nuking his bottom tier

yup

Same question.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Marmot's role was a crooked cop.

No?

What?

He was not

[TonyStarkPrime]

here is what i will say:

Proclick

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... gonly&ch=0

Search keyword marmot

Ez wolf pelt

yeah ted is an obvious wolf

ed and peggy smh

tony posted this right after i agreed with mac. at the very least he clearly theorized (either correctly or incorrectly) that mac and i were masons/lovers or mechanically linked in some way, which would give him incentive to shoot mac. that being said, this is not the only reason one might shoot mac so it doesn’t make tsp a wolf. but i think based on mac’s flip tony was clearly fishing for something here

I thought it was Alison and Odd :P

@Hally

[Sloonei]

This probably doesn't need to be said, but it appears both mafia teams are capable of killing on the same night.

[Strawhenge]

Let's see if I can scrub some rust off of my ISO skills.

@Long Con
An ISO by Straw J. Henge, PhD DDS MSW

POST-BY-POST COMMENTS:

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• 'I voted for 8PM!' — Some people thought this was scummy. I didn't really see anything scummy about it; just weird. Why talk about your vote in this kind of poll? The weirdest thing about this is his explanation: that he figured people had discussed it and wanted to weigh in. If the initial '8PM' post had occurred on, like, page 25, I would understand. But it didn't. It occurred on page 4. IF TOWN: Just a weird moment. IF SCUM: 'I better post something substantial!'

• I wasn't a fan of criticizing tutuu's spelling when Alison did it, and I don't like it here. Seems reachy, but it was D0 and based on meta that I don't have. It doesn't help that when Alison elaborated on her suspicion there, LC parroted it. IF TOWN: A more-informed meta read than I have. IF SCUM: 'I better find something wrong with someone who's not on my team!'

• Buddies up with Alison again with, 'I indeed kinda agree.' Does it again, later, here. IF TOWN: Just not putting in the effort, and is tailgating on someone else's higher momentum. IF SCUM: Buddying with classic scum noncommittal language.

• Goes off topic regarding tedxtr's pfp gif. IF TOWN: Bored. IF SCUM: Bored and wanting post count.

• Kinda weak case and vote on BoKnows. Not a fan of how he again tailgates on someone else.

• If the sirengif didn't mess up the flow of this list, I'd drop it here, for this little contradiction So, Long Con doesn't base his suspicions off of other people vouching for someone, but will twice jump on the noncommittal wagon, as noted above. IF TOWN: I don't know. Nervous, maybe? IF SCUM: Is deliberately trying not to be part of a conversation that could give people a scum read.

• A bunch of nothing-posts follow. Same IF statements as the last off-topic item.

• In his longest post thus far in the game, he takes a multi-pronged reaction to Jay, MacDougal, Sloonei, and myself. It should be pointed out that two of those people are now dead. Most of it seems fairly null, except for his tone with Mac in the first part of his post. It's basically, 'What's wrong, Mac, why are you reading me as a wolf, when I'm town? You're better than this.' The tone feels yucky and I don't like it. This is mostly a gut read. IF TOWN: Feels like he is indeed playing a town game and is genuinely confused as to why Mac doesn't agree. IF SCUM: Pulling mind games.

• Re: the item above, Jay and Mac discussed how Long Con behaves when accused, depending on alignment, and Long Con agreed. I'm all for meta reads, but I'm also all for the possibility that someone can be aware of their own meta and willingly change it. I've done it, and I've seen a lot of other people do it over the years.

• More noncommittal language in his AL_sama vote. Can someone with a stronger meta on LC tell me if he just always uses noncommittal language? It's all over his ISO.

• His whole 180° on Alison is weird and there's a lot to parse through that I don't understand. Something about Oddmerta's flavor claim and how Alison was vouching for Odd. It feels very weird that LC would tailgate Alison several times throughout the thread, sort of leaning on her for good reads, and then puts her in his POE when she vouches for Odd, whom LC was trying to get chopped on D1. DISCLAIMER: At this point in my ISO, my eyes started to cross in fatigue of reading a computer screen. Consider this more of a gut weird-read at least, not necessarily a scum read.

LONG CON & MARMOT
Already detailed by Jay here. Long and short of it: Marmot didn't acknowledge LC much, and when he did it read as forced. LC mentioned Marmot once. Doesn't look good.

On that note, LC said he looked into Marmot's ISO and all he came up with is that SPF is probably not scum. Unless this was a response to something many pages back, this was unprompted. That was all he got from Marmot's ISO? Really? Why?

LONG CON & MACDOUGAL
As detailed in the list above, MacDougal was suspicious of LC, and LC pulled some weird head-game shit on Mac. I'm not a fan of the tone at all. Saying, 'I'm town, and the fact that you can't see that means there's something wrong with you, and you've read me accurately in the past, so what's wrong now,' is so scummy feeling to me.

LONG CON & JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
Nothing really of note. Jay pushed LC on a couple things and LC responded like anyone would. Jay didn't seem satisfied with the answers, but also didn't seem to think them very important.

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In short, Long Con seems to lack conviction in the way scum tends to: glomming onto others' takes and votes, and using a lot of noncommittal language. And he was almost completely hands-off when it came to Marmot—before and after Marmot's flip.

[Hally]

i can mechanically confirm myself as a villager today.

or, at least, i can use my role in such an undeniably pro-town way that i should just short of being a mechanically confirmed villager

i have no issue with outing this information because i think the wolves have several juicier kills to make tonight that aren't me, and removing myself as a suspect will make the wolves feel more boxed in than they already are

sounds juicy

[falcon45ca]

I'm very much in favour of TSP, Ted, Al Sama, Nanook POE this RD

[Hally]

here is what i will say:

Proclick

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... gonly&ch=0

Search keyword marmot

Ez wolf pelt

yeah ted is an obvious wolf

ed and peggy smh

tony posted this right after i agreed with mac. at the very least he clearly theorized (either correctly or incorrectly) that mac and i were masons/lovers or mechanically linked in some way, which would give him incentive to shoot mac. that being said, this is not the only reason one might shoot mac so it doesn’t make tsp a wolf. but i think based on mac’s flip tony was clearly fishing for something here

I thought it was Alison and Odd :P

i may believe you. possibly

[Sloonei]

The Marmot Files, part II:

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@Marmot die thundercat die

Give me the sweet release!

Nothing interaction with KZA. Maybe slight point in favor of the Canuck. He is vaguely threatening toward Marmot, Marmot playfully begs for death.

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Am I really that much of a contrarian? I wouldn't have described myself as such.

Maybe you are a contrarian and you're not describing yourself as such because you are a contrarian.

math.gif

And a nothing interaction with Strawhenge. Okay.

Gonna ignore posts involving "confirmed" town players. That means Hally and Alison right now. Also Jay and Mac, I guess.

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im not sure if me and marmot have ever been t/t actually, at least since I returned

Fortunately, I'm aware of the fact that our relative alignments in previous games have no impact on this game.

I sense a bit of annoyance from Marmot here. That would imply TSP is not his partner.

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I think tutuu and spf are both scummy, but I'm having trouble with a world where they're teammates.

False.

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I think tutuu and spf are both scummy, but I'm having trouble with a world where they're teammates.

why is tutuu scummy? why am i scummy? can you break down both of those reads for me?

Some of your posts I've read I've felt good about the explanations. But there are other posts like this one where you used the word "particularly" more times than necessary, which I didn't like.

There was another thing I saw in your ISO yesterday that I'm forgetting atm.

SPF is not Marmot's teammate. You don't sandwich a partner in with a civilian to say "I think these two are kinda suspicious" and then, when said partner throws a generic prod your way, respond with a big flat shrug. If Marmot wants to distance from Teammate SPF here, he swings harder.

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My only experience of marmot is that he is silly when mafia and pretty serious when town. My sample size is only three games so I acknowledge i need more data.

I've realized this as well and am attempting to make them more consistent.

My gut says this exchange doesn't exist if JPIC is Marmot's teammate, but I guess there's no reason that needs to be the case. I do not think that it is, but it could be. JPIC calls Marmot out directly for a thing he's presumably doing right here and now. Marmot responds with a juicy WIFOMburger w/ cheese. Feels like a pointless and risky exchange for teammates to stage.

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[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

What moved you?

i no longer felt comfortable with my vote on fingersplints, and the concerns that i had about marmot yesterday have not been alleviated in the slightest by his posting today.. i got the impression that he may have been trying to play up the dichotomy of tutuu/myself

I had mild suspicions of both of you, and then you starting butting heads, or at least tutuu starting calling you scum. That's when I happened to voice said suspicions.

But of course tutuu's back to townreading you (as of this post of yours), which is also my qualm with her.

Alright yeah, SPF is never Marmot's partner. Locking that read in and ignoring posts about her for the rest of this ISO.

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[VOTE: Oddmerta] aubergine

What are you doing?

Playing Fargo Mafia... What are you doing?

Lol I dont like this post. I do like Oddmerta here tho.

Oddmerta's behavior here isn't anything to write home about

Good look for Odd.

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This game feels like Jay and I are mafia teammates. I wonder if anyone has made that observation yet.

I think a majority of scum rn is active

What's the point of this post if the following is your readlist?

Falcon-town
2. Tedextr-towny, lacking
4. Odd-fine but needs to make actual content
5. Sloonei-whatever
7. Strawhenge-town
8. JaggedJimmyJay-town
9. Staypositivefriend-town
10. KZA-probably town
11. MacDougall-probably town
13. Marmot-no thoughts
14. TSP-scummy
15. Long Con-no thoughts
16. Fingersplints-towny
17. Tutuu-playing different to her scum game from when I've seen her twice but in a way that is more scummy so idk what to think exactly
18. JPIC-whatever
19. Michelle-town
20. Alison-null
21. BoKnows-towny
22. Al Sama-scummy

Marmot calls Esooa out for A Thing. Let's see what comes of it, shall we?

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[VOTE: Oddmerta] aubergine

What are you doing?

Playing Fargo Mafia... What are you doing?

Lol I dont like this post. I do like Oddmerta here tho.

Oddmerta's behavior here isn't anything to write home about

I agree but what do you stand to gain from this comment

I'm interested in why Mac liked Oddmerta over such a simple statement.

Another decent indicator that KZA and Marmot are not partnered. This is a driveby slapping from KZA that never needs to exist if they are on the same team.

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My list of 9 goes as such, and I will only expand on a player when asked/prompted.


Alison, Al Sam, nanook, tutuu, LC, Marmot, Ted, Michelle TSP

All of them please.

How would you rank those 9 names?

I can't rank them because I have no read on several of them, but the ones that I do have input on:


Nanook - slight scum
tutuu - slight scum
TSP - town

The Rule of 3. Mafia's holiest dictum. TSP is "town", Nanook is "slight scum." Previous interactions with Nanook were as hollow as could be and gave no indication of suspicion on either side. TSP has looked pretty good.

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@Marmot could you elaborate on those nanook and tutuu reads?

Tutuu's been an active presence in the thread, but changing her reads on a whim.

Nanook said he's not going to read JJJ until Day 3-4, but he's made multiple posts like [url[https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 91#p760791]this one[/url] and this one that look like mild attempts at shade.

This is a fairly specific thing to call Nanook out for. I pointed out that it was not entirely accurate. But it's a thing. Sometimes wolves have an easier time spotting the holes in their partners' games than they otherwise would. Perhaps this is an example of that. At any rate, Marmot has done very little to this point to promote a nanook suspicion.

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she's way more scummy than her previous scum games. Which I'm fine just saying mafia, but I've not seen her play town so I'm not completely sure how to approach that. I generally read her outside of that as scummy

Technically you saw her as town in 8-Ball for all of one day

Nothing interaction with Esooa. Meh.

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I legit have no clue what you're attempting to say with this

Why did you say that the majority of mafia are among the active players, but post a readlist where all most of the active players are townreads or something that isn't a scumread?

Esooa's bluntness does not feel like the kind of response one teammate would give to another, but Esooa is a clever when it comes to these types of things, from what I've seen and heard.

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I know JJJ has this thing for maintaining a certain thread state, but it still irks me.

Jay is quite very town.

:audible fart noise:

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Who are your strongest town reads in the game so far?

JJJ, Mac, BK, yourself

You listed me twice.

Can you substantiate that Bo read? I want to agree with it, but I'm having trouble articulating a reason.

I don't see how JJJ, BK, Mac, and you is listing you twice, but whatever.


BKs posting is light and easy, stress free. I think he'd be more focused on appearing solvey if he randed scum (again). It's like a weight's taken off his shoulders not having to scum again.

These are the same vibes I've felt on BK this game.

Good look for Falcon; I don't think mafia partners are usually in the habit of blankly sheeping one another on unprompted on Day 1. Probably a good look for Bo as well, for similar reasons. If Marmot is going to provide a read on a partner, he'll probably do it in his own words rather than nodding and saying "yeah" when somebody else says something.

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marmot, when you get the chance, do you mind quickly breaking down your reads for me? just hearing your view of the game rn would be helpful for me

Sure. I'm about to go to bed, but here's where I'm at.

I think some of the players who are steering the thread and maintaining a cohesive, team-oriented approach are town. This includes JJJ and Sloonei. There are probably other such active players that I haven't had the chance to interact with, but these two are standouts.

Tutuu has been high activity, but low commitment to her reads, I don't think there's much sincerity behind it. I can dig into it tomorrow to see if I still feel that way.

I've already explained my read of you. Some good posts. One icky post.

Nanook is in a slightly similar boat, one post that I didn't care for, but overall has been fine. I expressed suspicion of him earlier, but when I think about it, I'd expect more slanking from him as mafia.

TSP and Bo I think are town due to volume and content. Bo in particular seems extremely comfortable and fluid here to an extent that I've never seen from himn, and he's been the Day 1 yeet in multiple recent games.


These are the players that have stood out to me thus far. Thanks for asking, this was a useful exercise for me too

Hey, that nanook suspicion is back. I have a crystalized Read to make this time: Marmot is only bringing up Nanook as a suspect when he is directly prompted to name suspects. He is doing no active work to promote this read, but any time he is compelled by others to provide a suspect, Nanook's name slips out. I think this is something that could exist purely for the sake of distancing. Both nanook and Marmot were hanging around in the POE pool on Day 1. It would make sense for either/both of them to want to try to snag some townie points in the event that one or the other flipped that day.
I'll note also that Marmot throws TSP and Bo together as town reads here. He lumps them together, but emphasizes Bo more. I think these could both be honest reads from Marmot. So far I have not felt like either one looks like a partner, but neither of those are definitive reads to this point.

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Not only am I mafia, but I am on all of the mafia teams.

@TonyStarkPrime this sounds like Simone Gerhardt

Y’ain’t wrong

What is this?

Oh right, this is a mafia game about a TV show named Fargo.

Right on cue. This is real confusion. TSP is not Marmot's partner.

End of Page 2. [VOTE: nanook] aubergine

[Hally]

that is definitely not a puppy, falcon.

it’s a big chonk

[Hally]

i’d like to kill jay’s poe and then reevaluate. i would be very surprised if we don’t bag multiple wolves just nuking his bottom tier

How would you personally rank the players in that POE, and what will you be looking for to help you determine which is the best option for us today?

i’d like to kill jay’s poe and then reevaluate. i would be very surprised if we don’t bag multiple wolves just nuking his bottom tier

yup

Same question.

i don’t know how i would rank them. as for how i’ll determine the best option, i plan to read people’s posts and then kill the person who has the worst ones

[Sloonei]

i’d like to kill jay’s poe and then reevaluate. i would be very surprised if we don’t bag multiple wolves just nuking his bottom tier

How would you personally rank the players in that POE, and what will you be looking for to help you determine which is the best option for us today?

i’d like to kill jay’s poe and then reevaluate. i would be very surprised if we don’t bag multiple wolves just nuking his bottom tier

yup

Same question.

i don’t know how i would rank them. as for how i’ll determine the best option, i plan to read people’s posts and then kill the person who has the worst ones

My god, what a plan! Have at it, Confirmed Town Hally.

[Hally]

I'm very much in favour of TSP, Ted, Al Sama, Nanook POE this RD

not lc?

[Sloonei]

Strawhenge town.

[Long Con]

Let's see if I can scrub some rust off of my ISO skills.

@Long Con
An ISO by Straw J. Henge, PhD DDS MSW

POST-BY-POST COMMENTS:

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• 'I voted for 8PM!' — Some people thought this was scummy. I didn't really see anything scummy about it; just weird. Why talk about your vote in this kind of poll? The weirdest thing about this is his explanation: that he figured people had discussed it and wanted to weigh in. If the initial '8PM' post had occurred on, like, page 25, I would understand. But it didn't. It occurred on page 4. IF TOWN: Just a weird moment. IF SCUM: 'I better post something substantial!'

• I wasn't a fan of criticizing tutuu's spelling when Alison did it, and I don't like it here. Seems reachy, but it was D0 and based on meta that I don't have. It doesn't help that when Alison elaborated on her suspicion there, LC parroted it. IF TOWN: A more-informed meta read than I have. IF SCUM: 'I better find something wrong with someone who's not on my team!'

• Buddies up with Alison again with, 'I indeed kinda agree.' Does it again, later, here. IF TOWN: Just not putting in the effort, and is tailgating on someone else's higher momentum. IF SCUM: Buddying with classic scum noncommittal language.

• Goes off topic regarding tedxtr's pfp gif. IF TOWN: Bored. IF SCUM: Bored and wanting post count.

• Kinda weak case and vote on BoKnows. Not a fan of how he again tailgates on someone else.

• If the sirengif didn't mess up the flow of this list, I'd drop it here, for this little contradiction So, Long Con doesn't base his suspicions off of other people vouching for someone, but will twice jump on the noncommittal wagon, as noted above. IF TOWN: I don't know. Nervous, maybe? IF SCUM: Is deliberately trying not to be part of a conversation that could give people a scum read.

• A bunch of nothing-posts follow. Same IF statements as the last off-topic item.

• In his longest post thus far in the game, he takes a multi-pronged reaction to Jay, MacDougal, Sloonei, and myself. It should be pointed out that two of those people are now dead. Most of it seems fairly null, except for his tone with Mac in the first part of his post. It's basically, 'What's wrong, Mac, why are you reading me as a wolf, when I'm town? You're better than this.' The tone feels yucky and I don't like it. This is mostly a gut read. IF TOWN: Feels like he is indeed playing a town game and is genuinely confused as to why Mac doesn't agree. IF SCUM: Pulling mind games.

• Re: the item above, Jay and Mac discussed how Long Con behaves when accused, depending on alignment, and Long Con agreed. I'm all for meta reads, but I'm also all for the possibility that someone can be aware of their own meta and willingly change it. I've done it, and I've seen a lot of other people do it over the years.

• More noncommittal language in his AL_sama vote. Can someone with a stronger meta on LC tell me if he just always uses noncommittal language? It's all over his ISO.

• His whole 180° on Alison is weird and there's a lot to parse through that I don't understand. Something about Oddmerta's flavor claim and how Alison was vouching for Odd. It feels very weird that LC would tailgate Alison several times throughout the thread, sort of leaning on her for good reads, and then puts her in his POE when she vouches for Odd, whom LC was trying to get chopped on D1. DISCLAIMER: At this point in my ISO, my eyes started to cross in fatigue of reading a computer screen. Consider this more of a gut weird-read at least, not necessarily a scum read.

LONG CON & MARMOT
Already detailed by Jay here. Long and short of it: Marmot didn't acknowledge LC much, and when he did it read as forced. LC mentioned Marmot once. Doesn't look good.

On that note, LC said he looked into Marmot's ISO and all he came up with is that SPF is probably not scum. Unless this was a response to something many pages back, this was unprompted. That was all he got from Marmot's ISO? Really? Why?

LONG CON & MACDOUGAL
As detailed in the list above, MacDougal was suspicious of LC, and LC pulled some weird head-game shit on Mac. I'm not a fan of the tone at all. Saying, 'I'm town, and the fact that you can't see that means there's something wrong with you, and you've read me accurately in the past, so what's wrong now,' is so scummy feeling to me.

LONG CON & JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
Nothing really of note. Jay pushed LC on a couple things and LC responded like anyone would. Jay didn't seem satisfied with the answers, but also didn't seem to think them very important.

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In short, Long Con seems to lack conviction in the way scum tends to: glomming onto others' takes and votes, and using a lot of noncommittal language. And he was almost completely hands-off when it came to Marmot—before and after Marmot's flip.

Actually I looked at SPF's ISO, not Marmot's.

[Sloonei]

My new strongest scumread is AL_sama.

Discuss.

I indeed kinda agree.

Strawhenge highlighted this post. I want to highlight it even more. @Long Con why did you word this sentence exactly the way that you did?

[Strawhenge]

Actually I looked at SPF's ISO, not Marmot's.

I misread that post. Alright, new question: Why SPF at that point?

[Hally]

i’d like to kill jay’s poe and then reevaluate. i would be very surprised if we don’t bag multiple wolves just nuking his bottom tier

How would you personally rank the players in that POE, and what will you be looking for to help you determine which is the best option for us today?

i’d like to kill jay’s poe and then reevaluate. i would be very surprised if we don’t bag multiple wolves just nuking his bottom tier

yup

Same question.

i don’t know how i would rank them. as for how i’ll determine the best option, i plan to read people’s posts and then kill the person who has the worst ones

My god, what a plan! Have at it, Confirmed Town Hally.

i’m a revolutionary

[Long Con]

My new strongest scumread is AL_sama.

Discuss.

I indeed kinda agree.

Strawhenge highlighted this post. I want to highlight it even more. @Long Con why did you word this sentence exactly the way that you did?

It was definitely referencing something. Someone else said "indeed kinda" and it was scrutinized.

[Long Con]

Actually I looked at SPF's ISO, not Marmot's.

I misread that post. Alright, new question: Why SPF at that point?

Kind of arbitrary, someone I didn't have a read on maybe? Maybe something she said in the thread triggered me to push her button.

[Sloonei]

My new strongest scumread is AL_sama.

Discuss.

I indeed kinda agree.

Strawhenge highlighted this post. I want to highlight it even more. @Long Con why did you word this sentence exactly the way that you did?

It was definitely referencing something. Someone else said "indeed kinda" and it was scrutinized.

Can you wrangle up there where & when from your memory?

[Long Con]

@tutuu is it just me seeing things or you're indeed kinda acting pumped up??

2 question marks? What's the extra punctuation? Seems forced. The whole phrasing of this post is passive... "indeed kinda"

??

This ^

[Strawhenge]

My new strongest scumread is AL_sama.

Discuss.

I indeed kinda agree.

Strawhenge highlighted this post. I want to highlight it even more. @Long Con why did you word this sentence exactly the way that you did?

It was definitely referencing something. Someone else said "indeed kinda" and it was scrutinized.

Can you wrangle up there where & when from your memory?

I just searched for it. It was from an AL_sama post.

LC, what about how, regardless of its referential nature, you saying 'indeed kinda' meshes with your general tone in this game?

[Sloonei]

@tutuu is it just me seeing things or you're indeed kinda acting pumped up??

2 question marks? What's the extra punctuation? Seems forced. The whole phrasing of this post is passive... "indeed kinda"

??

This ^

okay. I was gonna make the same observation that "indeed kinda" is super awkward wording. I am less worried about it coming from al_sama, and I don't care much about LC referencing it here. Maybe it might mean something that LC was conscious of this seemingly minor detail, but that's whatever right now.

[Long Con]

My new strongest scumread is AL_sama.

Discuss.

I indeed kinda agree.

Strawhenge highlighted this post. I want to highlight it even more. @Long Con why did you word this sentence exactly the way that you did?

It was definitely referencing something. Someone else said "indeed kinda" and it was scrutinized.

Can you wrangle up there where & when from your memory?

I just searched for it. It was from an AL_sama post.

LC, what about how, regardless of its referential nature, you saying 'indeed kinda' meshes with your general tone in this game?

Pleased to meet you, Strawhenge.

"Not a fan of how he again tailgates on someone else."... why "again"? What was the first tailgate?