The Wire Mafia [END]

[TonyStarkPrime]

I do not know that you are prone to engage in meta discussions.

Fair we’ve played together I think just twice recently.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oh come on nova. It's 4am now.

You care so much more about this game than I do or else your sleep schedule really sucks.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m here for fifteen minutes. Please say things I can react to so I can feel like a participatory member of this game.

You’re scum for lying low yesterday.

This is a WIFOM trap and I don’t like it.

Interesting. Explain.

There is basically no normal response I could give to the post that I (and presumably you) wouldn’t be able to read and create an argument for in either direction. Now you’ve played with me a few times and so I’m not doubting that as best as I try to hide it I’d give off a sort of meta tone read but I don’t think it’s consistent.
So like:

General list of defenses

Angry response
apology
Shrug off
Meta defense


I can’t say which of these I’d be more likely to give as scum or town. Probably depends more on my mood and like whatever comes to mind first. There are players who I think I would have a better idea of what they’d do but that can be manipulated too.

Scummy mindset but what do I know?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I should be less dismissive of my own reads. I correctly read Tony (and Michelle) D1 in um...that game where Nutella has a sign on her head that said “I am a wolf” and Sabie saves the day. And in Inception for that matter.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Dom [Kima Greggs] and MacDougall [Herc] have been killed.

Spoiler: show

You are Kima Greggs!

“Who we gotta f*ck in this town to get a real office?”

[Barksdale Detail] - Each night, you may target a player and role-block them, preventing them from performing any actions.

Wincon - Eliminate all threats to Town

Spoiler: show

You are Herc!

"You're fuckin' whipped."

[Surveillance] - During odd nights, you may investigate a player and discover who visited them that phase (if any). During even nights, you may investigate a player and discover which player they visited (if any).

Wincon - Eliminate all threats to Town

Day 2 starts.
A secondary lynch will take place in this phase, you may vote twice on the poll. You have 48 hours.

Bleh. Sorry, Dom.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine and [VOTE: Dunya] aubergine.

I’m not gonna base my Tony read on one post yet even if Nutella did post the exact same thing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Dunya’s reads are garbo. Lots of people suspect her a bit. She’s probably a wolf.

Rej is scum every time Drago says he is. It’s honestly like Lancer and I think Drago saying Rej is scum actually causes Rej to be scum. Plus, DDL said some shit I didn’t really follow about Rej being bad and DDL is obvious town (this is an example of Dunya’s reads being garbo and fake).

[Jackofhearts2005]

Well there goes my dom theory. I'll try better

Can I be town now?

....Yes

I'm voting boo and DDL.

[Jackofhearts2005]

My 4.20am hunches. I'll come back tomorrow to justify them or change them

See yall

Okay I take back a little Dunya suspicion cause maybe she’s just delirious from being tired.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

How do phone users play mafia even

Easy. You don't actually have to ISO people.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I think Rej is fitting what little I understand of his town meta. Drago I haven't seen enough from yet to feel strongly about.

I feel like i have seen more proactive version of Dragomir in previous games. But that includes Day 1 of Inception, when he was mafia.

True.

I might hop on just for funsies/so that my vote matters more than it does now and bc I don't really see a reason for Dom to be lynched

That sounds like a weak motivation to jump on the drago wagon which you also don't feel strongly about.

If I couldn't see the poll as I'm making this catch up I would get no indication that you suspect drago more than Dom. Or that you suspect dragon enough to give up on the speed thing you were pushing before.

Sorry, the speed thing you were moaning about before. Because the only thing you did about it was vote speed early on poorly explained grounds when spend the whole day crying "why you aren't voting speed with meeee" to people.

Wow

really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

yeah

really though jack could have let us grill creature for a bit before nullifying it. INTERESTING

??? What is this

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

But it's not a conflict if there isn't disagreement. Stating a townread should be fine for that, if you disagree you can continue on that topic.

you're

Speed discouraging people from contributing their townreads is bad.

right

What do you think it is?

I honestly don't know. Explain to me why you didn't want to hear a townread on creature this early. Disappointed that he's not going to be an easy target of suspicion?

That 'townread' was Jack neutering an early-game source of conflict, suspicion, and actual content by appealing to meta. It's the beginning of the game. Everything should be as volatile as possible.

But it's not a conflict if there isn't disagreement. Stating a townread should be fine for that, if you disagree you can continue on that topic.

I assumed Creature would disagree, and then I could say he is biased and defending himself, and we could whirl down a spiral of blame and recursive arguments and THEN Jack could stop us.

And people like you would comment on it and be all like "how scummy" and we'd have a lot to work with.

I guess that's happening anyway now, so thanks. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

No. This is total bullshit lmao. I don't see the scenario you're describing ever happening like that, and look we are still talky about this so clearly someone successfully generated content. Your assessment of my role in this makes no sense though. Are you just openwolfing?

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I haven't

oh, i think nutella is town. don't lynch her.

speedchuck is another option for me. i feel something intentional and careful in his posts and tone towards others. don't like it.

I agree with half of this post

The other half is like, what. Why.

So you don't suspect me? What did you gain from that exercise? I don't see you commenting on reactions or whatever, you seem to have just moved on.

given my reasons

Well in that case, there's not really much for me to do. Could explain my read on Rej or Mac maybe. But...nah.

wow you really give zero fucks this game, you must be a civ, you would never fuck up your mafia brethern like that? playing this jaded?

did anything else in this DP caught your attention? I haven't seen many reads about Mac. He just seems to carry some energy with him, energy I haven't seen in much of his D0/D1 plays.

Is the first half of this post a sarcasm? Because it seems like one to me.

tbh I am 50/50, it's true that Dragos overall behaviour in mafia changed, from game to game he gives less a fuck, that is reasonable if you busy yourself with other things, but still a mafia drago wouldn't make himself such an easy target I feel, tho town drago tends to do help town in any kind of form

Those two fifties have completely opposite meanings

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

So?

for suspecting speed

Speed isn't thinking critically on enough levels he's just calling things scummy that aren't really. He's scum

ever at all,

basically he's calling rej scum for not having a coherent stance on drago. I don't have a coherent stance on drago either so idk why that's sus

you got me

Oh yeah the creature thing.

Completely forgot about it since I didn't like the case much.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]

I’d give you a Creature read if you give me an iso link.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: zemmi] aubergine for one vote as a start, at this point if we have to lynch two people one of my votes is probably gonna be a policy vote, so will get it out of the way now.

Bad

Wait for a replacement. Lynching 0 posters = bad.

I agree with this. Didn’t Juliets say she was looking for a game?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: zemmi] aubergine for one vote as a start, at this point if we have to lynch two people one of my votes is probably gonna be a policy vote, so will get it out of the way now.

This is terrible.

[VOTE: Boo] aubergine

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Dragon D. Luffy

I’d give you a Creature read if you give me an iso link.

Will have to wait a few hours for that.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I feel worse about nutella today too. So much changes after 3 dead town.

Strange, I actually feel better about her today.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Even though I continue to disagree with 100% of what she says.

[VOTE: LC] aubergine the other one.

Why?

It's provocative. It gets the people going.

It's empty and safe.

Ohhh I'm proud of myself for this one.

im proud of u too

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine and [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

gottem

As in, those two are both civilians imo.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Well more confident about sloon than speed tbh

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Finished catching up and decided boo is actually civ as fuck.

He is the same as the other game I played with him. Stubborn. Impossible to reason with. Prone to tinfoiling. Arguably as big a threat to the civ faction as mafia itself.

So he's town.

[unvote]

[Dragon D. Luffy]

He does say a couple stuff I agree with, I guess.

Anyway, [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

Will decide the other one later.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.

[dunya]

I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.

from "this is terrible" to you're thinking it's a good idea.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.

from "this is terrible" to you're thinking it's a good idea.

Eh it was more related to the way boo seemed to be thinking than the zemmi thing itself.

But then I finished reading and decided the fact boo doesn't make sense is evidence he is a civ.

Last game with him I was the only person with a strong read on boo, while boo himself spent the whole game relentlessly tinfoiling me as bad. The game ended with I fighting to stop boo from getting voted while he hammered a vote on me and gave mafia the win. Point is, I think I get boo.

[dunya]

Dunya’s reads are garbo.

what the actual fuck. how are my reads "garbo" and how are yours any better.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Dunya's reads are definitelly atrocious, but I don't think that is evidence she is bad yet.

[dunya]

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

Oh come on nova. It's 4am now.

You care so much more about this game than I do or else your sleep schedule really sucks.

nah, it won't happen again. my boyfriend had a bad day so i was up till around 3am then i was like, shit, i haven't even checked the thread today. then i got inspired by my sudden sloonei is bad lead and thought i'd solved the entire game because i was really feeling it man. then i was like ok, it's nearly 3.40am i'll wait for the flip wherein sloonei kills me, then nova made me wait forever, then i forgot i had to actually wake up for work today.

today i still feel boo is bad despite never playing with them. i get very bad vibes from all his posts.

[dunya]

ya'll can kiss my beautiful ass. and give me better reads.

[dunya]

1. sig - could be mafia
2. Rej - could be mafia
3. Zemmi - town coinflip
4. JaggedJimmyJay/ sloonei - town
5. Nutella - probably mafia
6. Dunya - town
8. Long Con - probably town
9. TonyStarkPrime - probably town
10. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - the shtick is getting old, maybe the 3p
11. Creature - probably town
12. Boo - probably mafia
14. Dragon D. Luffy - stiff but getting more town vibes from him today
15. Coliniscool - town
16. Speedchuck - probably town
17. Jackofhearts2005 - could be mafia

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

Oh come on nova. It's 4am now.

You care so much more about this game than I do or else your sleep schedule really sucks.

nah, it won't happen again. my boyfriend had a bad day so i was up till around 3am then i was like, shit, i haven't even checked the thread today. then i got inspired by my sudden sloonei is bad lead and thought i'd solved the entire game because i was really feeling it man. then i was like ok, it's nearly 3.40am i'll wait for the flip wherein sloonei kills me, then nova made me wait forever, then i forgot i had to actually wake up for work today.

today i still feel boo is bad despite never playing with them. i get very bad vibes from all his posts.

Dunya you are amazing.

[dunya]

moving my ddl vote to nutella.

keeping my other vote on boo. he makes me feel icky icky. like he got bad intentions towards me.

[dunya]

i'm not sure i understand the "rej" case. is it a case of if dom and drago were both town, the third most talked about person was rej so he must have been bad? i mean it's not a terrible case, but is that the extent of it or is there more?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I wrote a bunch of stuff about him on d1 and kind of forgot about it but since then he hasn't particularly made me feel like changing my mind.

So I wanna follow it this time.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I could vote sig. He's pretty whatever in this game.

[dunya]

i like how LC contended sloonei's town read of him. it could be ballsy wifom, but i like it.

[Long Con]

I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.

Nah. Why would the Mafia team care about bussing a nonplayer member of their team? That's the easiest bus ever. I'll get on that boo vote. [VOTE: boo] aubergine

[Long Con]

i like how LC contended sloonei's town read of him. it could be ballsy wifom, but i like it.

It's a classic LC move.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Actually lets do it

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[dunya]

Actually lets do it

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

beat me to it. that actually looks correct doesnt it?

i dont wanna move off boo, i guess i could move off nutella, but i also don't wanna. good thing we have like 36 hours to decide.

[dunya]

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] it's the wire and we need a replacement. pls helppppp.

[Jackofhearts2005]

moving my ddl vote to nutella.

keeping my other vote on boo. he makes me feel icky icky. like he got bad intentions towards me.

Why on earth is Nutella scum? Her town and scum games are night and day different. She’s obviously town here. Plus we’ve mindmelded at least twice.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why is DDL scum?

Voting Boo for wanting to lynch an inactive when we have an extra lynch is the laziest damn thing (except actually lynching an inactive). Like I don’t think townDunya thinks that vote makes Boo bad.

[dunya]

i am not voting boo because he wants to lynch an inactive.

[dunya]

moving my ddl vote to nutella.

keeping my other vote on boo. he makes me feel icky icky. like he got bad intentions towards me.

Why on earth is Nutella scum? Her town and scum games are night and day different. She’s obviously town here. Plus we’ve mindmelded at least twice.

because she doesnt seem entirely town to me.

[dunya]

jack is obsessed with me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Tbh I think it would be sad to kill boo after we bonded over a mutual dislike of inactives and willingness to kill them with fire.

[boo]

Tbh I think it would be sad to kill boo after we bonded over a mutual dislike of inactives and willingness to kill them with fire.

[sig]

I could vote sig. He's pretty whatever in this game.

Rude

[sig]

I've been busy, I've given the reads I've got, and if your thinking let's go after whatever players there are some whom are alot more of that then me.

[boo]

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine since apparently people think Zemmi people seem to think will get replaced. But if not and she doesn't show up before EoD I still think we should ynch her.

[sig]

Agree with boo, mafia will never shoot an inactive and ots a waste of a big shot