PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [END]

[dyachei]

Can someone explain why everyone's so confident on Amy idgi

I wouldn't call myself confident, I just think her approach to the game and solving has been decent. Some of its also meta for me. amy and I have hydra'd together as both alignments

[c4e5g3d5]

Alison's ISO is entirely Alison-indicative

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Amy's Zack read is alright, shows some amount of effort to get whatever she can on paper.

I was pretty disengaged from the org game. I'm pretty engaged with this one. I assume both of these things are pretty self-evident.

In the org game I kinda just skimmed the general shape of Sunbae's posts, said "yeah none of this looks particularly clearing", and was surprised when other people disagreed with me. A lot of this was borne from me knowing generally that Sunbae is a great wolf but not necessarily knowing what that actually LOOKS like (which, ftr, is still true lol), so a disengaged Amy was inevitably gonna be cautious about her read there. Other people being less so spooked me.

This game I'm actively reading and following along and paying attention, which... is probably an improvement lmao. I think the way Sunbae led off today with his "lemme just mason Amy" shenanigans felt super pure and I think him replying to you calling him v by specifically saying "I'm annoyed that you can soulread me so well" is a very... it's not what a wolf's first thought would be in that situation, I don't think.

+ I like his big wallpost re-entrance. I haven't really nitpicked it super hard, but on first impression it feels like the wallpost of someone who was trying to take it easy but wound up with too many thoughts, rather than someone forcing thoughts to look towny or whatever

I'd say this is a lot of irrelevant words but she did for me.

that was a lot of words to say "good vibes" and "i played like ass in the org game" tbh

but i do feel good about making the read

With that bit of self-consciousness added, it looks like she knows she's in a game with people with meta on her and wants to force the v!Amy perspective for a townread.

Rest of the ISO is a bunch of "this post is technically ok"

sV AA

[Vulgard]

Does someone want to talk to me about how to find spf as town (or scum, for that matter)? I saw her play in some of Jay's games I spectated but beyond that I'm at a loss for what she's said so far, it was... thorough. But I don't think I'd call spf a town read or anything.

The best way I can describe it is

As town, she thinks
As wolf, she writes

In her wolf posts, there's some sense of architecture to the ideas, and she writes for show a lot. As town she plays by discovery, and her posts make it obvious she's thinking out loud. She's one of the easiest reads out there if you know what you're doing.

You think this a couple hours into D1?

you think the wolves are trying to shove through a cheap misdunk... 3 hours into a 48 hour d1?

Welcome to Alison
This is a thing that'll happen, don't mind it for now.

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Caught up, strongest reads off of memory are sunbae and Vulgard always town

Noting the bolded. What's your read there now, then?

[Vulgard]

You can barely see the bolded, actually. I mean specifically the statement that "she's one of the easiest reads out there if you know what you're doing."

You seem to have a good grasp on reading SPF. Are the things I brought up things she does as town? I've talked about SPF at length already.

By the way, if someone can link her wolfgames other than CoV, I would still be delighted.

[c4e5g3d5]

She's one of the easiest reads out there if you know what you're doing.

Noting the bolded. What's your read there now, then?

Off the top of my head, her treatment of Tang was kinda sorta like town spf because of the dynamism alone.

[c4e5g3d5]

You can barely see the bolded, actually. I mean specifically the statement that "she's one of the easiest reads out there if you know what you're doing."

You seem to have a good grasp on reading SPF. Are the things I brought up things she does as town? I've talked about SPF at length already.

By the way, if someone can link her wolfgames other than CoV, I would still be delighted.

I'll need to go back and check the things you've said about spf first.

Here's a game where spf and I were w/v. The distinction between her ranges was especially clear in this one.

[c4e5g3d5]

You seem to have a good grasp on reading SPF. Are the things I brought up things she does as town? I've talked about SPF at length already.

So is the stuff you're referring to her takes on me/Hally/nut?

Those all seem like spf takes to me, and it's just a question of what she goes on to actually do with them.

[Vulgard]

Okay, what I thought was a tell isn't actually a tell. And SPF in the ISO you just gave me is poking fun at me through time and space for it. She wrote a post there at one point that basically nullifies the chance the thing I thought about is a tell for her.

TL;DR there's no tell and there never has been. I can't clear SPF on it and neither can I wolfread her going in the opposite direction. At least not based on it.

Thanks.

[Vulgard]

You seem to have a good grasp on reading SPF. Are the things I brought up things she does as town? I've talked about SPF at length already.

So is the stuff you're referring to her takes on me/Hally/nut?

Those all seem like spf takes to me, and it's just a question of what she goes on to actually do with them.

So the things I bolded as TMI indicators are just the way she talks?

[c4e5g3d5]

You seem to have a good grasp on reading SPF. Are the things I brought up things she does as town? I've talked about SPF at length already.

So is the stuff you're referring to her takes on me/Hally/nut?

Those all seem like spf takes to me, and it's just a question of what she goes on to actually do with them.

So the things I bolded as TMI indicators are just the way she talks?

Basically.

[Vulgard]

Something about the way Arete approached me earlier pings me as townRete shining. I don't think it's enough but it's a start.

I'll pinpoint what it is if people are curious. Just be aware I might walk back on it depending on Arete's later posting.

[c4e5g3d5]

I feel like the best way I can describe Arete's play so far is "a towny FoLer".

Had the same reaction I did to Hally's early posting
Think their Tang case is flat NAI sorry nut, it's both an easy and understandable observation.

His interactions with Tang seem genuine but also a bit... formulaic? As in, this is the part where you raise the point, this is the part where you probe further, this is the part where you tsundere. Still think it's townier than not, only thing holding me back from townreading it more is that this is a kind of interaction I've seen hundreds of times with this exact structure.

His elaboration around Hally is so pure

sV A AA

[c4e5g3d5]

Their* their* their* sorry

[Vulgard]

I feel like the best way I can describe Arete's play so far is "a towny FoLer".

Had the same reaction I did to Hally's early posting
Think their Tang case is flat NAI sorry nut, it's both an easy and understandable observation.

His interactions with Tang seem genuine but also a bit... formulaic? As in, this is the part where you raise the point, this is the part where you probe further, this is the part where you tsundere. Still think it's townier than not, only thing holding me back from townreading it more is that this is a kind of interaction I've seen hundreds of times with this exact structure.

His elaboration around Hally is so pure

sV A AA

You make it sound like being towny and being a FoLer isn't a common thing to be seen together.

Also, what's that part at the end? "sV A AA" I've seen you use it more than once and I have no clue what you mean by that.

[Vulgard]

Can you compare your takes on Arete's Hally and Tang reads? As in, tell me where/why their handling of Tang is formulaic and where/why their handling for Hally isn't. Because that's the implication of your read. "Pure" vs "genuine but a bit formulaic."

[c4e5g3d5]

Also, what's that part at the end? "sV A AA" I've seen you use it more than once and I have no clue what you mean by that.

That's my ongoing readlist.

It's a terrible idea but nobody can stop me.

[c4e5g3d5]

Can you compare your takes on Arete's Hally and Tang reads? As in, tell me where/why their handling of Tang is formulaic and where/why their handling for Hally isn't. Because that's the implication of your read. "Pure" vs "genuine but a bit formulaic."

I guess it's the actual motions they went through? With Tang there are clear indicators for what they should do and when. With Hally they just naked vote and later drop the explanation when asked. Seems like there's less room for that to be manufactured.

[Dyslexicon]

@Tangrowth You are in this game! I love you! I must ask for your assistance. While you have found enthusiasm in returning to mafia, I am completely burned out. Somehow, I want to see if there is any way I can still play and be useful. Do you have any ideas? I thought of maybe vote according to dog name theory, because that was proven effective in GoC.

If I were to sheep one person in this game, who should it be in your opinion?

Sincerely,
Dizzy.

[c4e5g3d5]

Most of Zack's stuff would be a lot townier if I didn't know he was Zack.

Kinda like the way he's building a Voltron (shamelessly stealing this phrase from whoever said it), looks like he's actively thinking about town wincon.
His probes look like they're actually meant to be helpful.

sV A b AA

[Marluxion]

@Tangrowth You are in this game! I love you! I must ask for your assistance. While you have found enthusiasm in returning to mafia, I am completely burned out. Somehow, I want to see if there is any way I can still play and be useful. Do you have any ideas? I thought of maybe vote according to dog name theory, because that was proven effective in GoC.

If I were to sheep one person in this game, who should it be in your opinion?

Sincerely,
Dizzy.

sheep me, me strong

[Marluxion]

I actually dont remember why i'm voting outed wolf
page 2 feels like it happened 800 years ago with how much text has been on the last two pages

[Marluxion]

oh right the wolfiest vote on the nutte wagon so far

[c4e5g3d5]

There is almost nothing of note to say about dya

They had a couple agreeable reads I guess? But this is definitely a "cya in two cycles" kinda slot to read for now.

sV A b dAA

[c4e5g3d5]

Sorta soulread Dizzy v.

Seth is plain bad but apparently it's a low-risk play to ignore him for now.

sV A bD dAA G

[Vulgard]

Preemptive slank cover: I'm getting my vaccine tomorrow, and also a haircut. I'll try to get here for EoD at least, but I can't promise I'll be here before then.

In case I don't make it AT ALL, my spiritual legacy is that based on the posts until now, I want to yeet Gavial to Sky Daddy and I'm sus of Hally. Never kill Amy, don't kill Marl, probably don't kill Sunbae. I am not satisfied with this legacy, though, and I'll try my best to get here.

[Marluxion]

there are very few downsides to a galvial vote ngl

[Hally]

vulgard seems like a villager

[dyachei]

c4 seems much different that CoV. They aren't fucking around as much as they did there

[c4e5g3d5]

This is my first time actually having to read Hally, and I'm so glad this is a light game.

Unfortunately their ISO just... went straight through me. Either I've been doing too many ISOs at once, there's nothing interesting to see, or both. They're completely inoffensive I guess. Gonna need to check what issue Vulgard took with them again.

sV A bD dHAA G

[c4e5g3d5]

vulgard seems like a villager

No he just is

[sunbae]

Gonna back off the Alison villa lean with a few people telling me they have that slot as null.

Wasn't in love with Marl's catch up but meh

Not really picking up what c4 has been putting down but this is another situation of not having much experience there so ill just sit back and let em do their thing

Read SPF's explanation post now that I'm awake and while I can see/understand it, still not sure I buy it but again, can just chill and see what develops

Essentially, my overall feeling is that there's a group of people I feel ok about and a group of people I'm pretty whatever on so far but it's early and I don't feel rushed or pressured to start making the difficult decisions surrounding them, so I'll just kinda meme around and let the dust settle for a bit and see what jumps out.

Am I supposed to vote in the poll every time I change my vote or does voting in thread cover it?

Dya, Re: you being eager to play, like I mentioned the thread state was weird for me when I was around at first and catchup so hopefully just got some wires crossed. I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on some of things I've been saying cause I don't really have immensely strong feelings on these alignments. So getting some chatter and interactions could help me get my head on straight

[sunbae]

This is my first time actually having to read Hally, and I'm so glad this is a light game.

Unfortunately their ISO just... went straight through me. Either I've been doing too many ISOs at once, there's nothing interesting to see, or both. They're completely inoffensive I guess. Gonna need to check what issue Vulgard took with them again.

sV A bD dHAA G

Yeah I had that problem when I tried to Iso Hally. I did it after catching up and isoing a handful of other people and it just didn't register with me as I went through it. I do feel a bit better about my ability to get there this game now that I've finally seen a Hally wolf game but we'll see. I noted some forms of peacekeeping during the time I was away yesterday that could be construed as wolfy "just say something correct during two people arguing to look good" but I don't feel that strongly about it. Was the only thing I picked up in either direction though so shrug

[sunbae]

I also read nutellas response and I can understand it. It's entirely possible I misconstrued "sunbaes entrance meh everyone else ok" as being more negative when it was meant as "it exists, whatever"

[sunbae]

Towniest thing from Vulguard was calling kza/dys not w/w for their similar approach of just kinda messing around early

I don't believe it means anything myself, but those types of thoughts out of nowhere are usually from villagers

[sunbae]

this concludes the sunbae try hard portion of day 1
we hope you enjoyed your experience

[bronana]

Most of Zack's stuff would be a lot townier if I didn't know he was Zack.

talk more about this read. We have never played together, afaik, and I doubt you've read any game where I was a wolf. Yet I don't think you've made a similar caveat for anyone else. Are you expecting me to reach out my hand like Odin and deliver a thunderously calm bolt of lightning at the entire wolf team? You made this read well before even the halfway point of d1. It just seems like BS.

Sorta soulread Dizzy v.

Seth is plain bad but apparently it's a low-risk play to ignore him for now.

sV A bD dAA G

a) did you just TMI dizzy?

b) if seth is mafia this post looks rough

c) is that notation at the bottom of your posts supposed to be the first letter for player's usernames in a readslist or something? It's confusing to read

[dyachei]

Gonna back off the Alison villa lean with a few people telling me they have that slot as null.

Wasn't in love with Marl's catch up but meh

Not really picking up what c4 has been putting down but this is another situation of not having much experience there so ill just sit back and let em do their thing

Read SPF's explanation post now that I'm awake and while I can see/understand it, still not sure I buy it but again, can just chill and see what develops

Essentially, my overall feeling is that there's a group of people I feel ok about and a group of people I'm pretty whatever on so far but it's early and I don't feel rushed or pressured to start making the difficult decisions surrounding them, so I'll just kinda meme around and let the dust settle for a bit and see what jumps out.

Am I supposed to vote in the poll every time I change my vote or does voting in thread cover it?

Dya, Re: you being eager to play, like I mentioned the thread state was weird for me when I was around at first and catchup so hopefully just got some wires crossed. I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on some of things I've been saying cause I don't really have immensely strong feelings on these alignments. So getting some chatter and interactions could help me get my head on straight

Did you read Congress of Vienna?

Might be worth a quick iso of c4 there if you havent. I think his approach to this game has been much different and he was a wolf there.

I haven't liked alison so far so I'm not really sure why you had a v read there to begin with? can you explain it a bit?

i read spf by POE so I'm not good at giving insight there. the last time I wolfread her it was because she wasn't villagery in CoV

[c4e5g3d5]

I doubt you've read any game where I was a wolf.

S2G1 because our rep was in it. But mainly general reputation.

Are you expecting me to reach out my hand like Odin and deliver a thunderously calm bolt of lightning at the entire wolf team? You made this read well before even the halfway point of d1. It just seems like BS.

No, I don't expect you to have already nuked the wolves by now. I don't expect Alison, Amy, Arete, dya, Dizzy, Seth, Hally, KZA, Marl, nut, Visor, spf or Tang to have done so either. Interestingly enough, I've locked none of them town.

is that notation at the bottom of your posts supposed to be the first letter for player's usernames in a readslist or something? It's confusing to read

Si

[Dyslexicon]

@Gavial Come play this game. You are the only one I can trust in this whole world.

[Dyslexicon]

Did you read Congress of Vienna?

Not me thinking we were talking about book recommendations.

[Dyslexicon]

vulgard seems like a villager

Hally why was your entrance bad and scummy? Yes, that is scummy AND bad.

[sunbae]

I did not read that game, no. I ... well ... how to say this. The amount of effort I want to put into this game is less than reading other games which hopefully doesn't come off as dismissive. I'd love to hear a tl;dr breakdown of the differences as that could help, but I just don't really wanna go read another game for our light game hangout fun time.

I thought Alison walking through a progression of: "People jumped on Nutella" -> "Nutella is a mischop wolves would love cause normally it'd be hard to get" -> "Wolves could be the ones pushing it then, let me look at the wagon" -> "Bronana was on the wagon and has posts that could look like an attempt to pocket Sunbae so that's the most likely wolf there" -> "Vote Bronana" is just a progression that's a step further than the early game throwaway stuff wolves typically do and instead shows a thought process of actively trying to figure out what's happening and who is doing it. Felt like wolves typically end up at "wolves pushing early wagon, let me vote someone on there, this vote looks the worst, done" instead of doing that extra step of finding which of the voters is doing other potentially wolfy things. People seem to not really agree with me there (either in principle or specifically with alison) so I'm backing off of it. I'm uh, pretty bad in my first experiences with people lol

[Dyslexicon]

sheep me, me strong

Only if Tangy agrees. She's my queen.

But if I do, I will pretend we are twins and refer to ourselves as Lux and Lex.

[sunbae]

Did you read Congress of Vienna?

Not me thinking we were talking about book recommendations.

I've been reading The Blade Itself based on some recommendations if you're into high fantasy stuff. Pretty solid so far

[Dyslexicon]

@Hally Make a read on me, do it for science!

[Gavial]

@Gavial Come play this game. You are the only one I can trust in this whole world.

BS.

[sunbae]

I just know that the first time in years that I run into wolf zack I'm just going to get owned but I just kinda don't mind currently. He's too fun and has been posting fine

[Gavial]

I GTG back to working.
Cya later

[Gavial]

What’s your cases on me?
@Hally
@staypositivefriend

[dyachei]

c4 had a lot of agenda'd posting and joking around in CoV, sunbae. Like a lot of it. It was easy to call him out as a wolf after the first wolf flipped.