PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [END]

[Vulgard]

I lean V on Dizzy after some consideration. I think a wolf doesn't break the flow of the thread like this just to brag that they won't play the game. Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play. Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play. People call this type of thing wolf WIFOM but I've never actually seen someone like this flip W.

I don't actually know Dizzy's wolfrange, but I wouldn't expect this "maneuver" from any wolf. You can invite people to yeet you without breaking threadflow and magnetizing attention. Wolf!Dizzy wouldn't pop into the thread just to scream "yeet me" and shitpost. In fact, there's even a comparison to be made when you look at KZA's entrance. I brought this up earlier. KZA's entrance is the type of "shitpost wahaha I may or may not care about this game" posting I'd expect from a wolf. Rather than what Dizzy did.

Arete latching onto Dizzy and considering a yeet there, especially calling it "policy..." Rubs me the wrong way. Sure, if Dizzy's a wolf playing like this, losing to it would suck, but this shouldn't be v!Arete's first thought. This feels more like pointing a finger and calling attention. "Hey guys, there's this one dude who posted stuff about wanting to get killed. Maybe we should do it somewhere down the line, idk." It's a very subtle suggestion and I think it's very wolfy.

Since it's one wolfy thing in a string of passable posts by Arete, I'm still content not tunneling them to the death. But this isn't the way of thinking I expected from v!Rete.

[Vulgard]

I HARD SHIELD GAVIAL.

do you think his posts are town-indicative, or is this a meme

Do you have an independently formed idea why Gavial is wolfy?

[Vulgard]

I lean V on Dizzy after some consideration. I think a wolf doesn't break the flow of the thread like this just to brag that they won't play the game. Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play. Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play. People call this type of thing wolf WIFOM but I've never actually seen someone like this flip W.

I don't actually know Dizzy's wolfrange, but I wouldn't expect this "maneuver" from any wolf. You can invite people to yeet you without breaking threadflow and magnetizing attention. Wolf!Dizzy wouldn't pop into the thread just to scream "yeet me" and shitpost. In fact, there's even a comparison to be made when you look at KZA's entrance. I brought this up earlier. KZA's entrance is the type of "shitpost wahaha I may or may not care about this game" posting I'd expect from a wolf. Rather than what Dizzy did.

Arete latching onto Dizzy and considering a yeet there, especially calling it "policy..." Rubs me the wrong way. Sure, if Dizzy's a wolf playing like this, losing to it would suck, but this shouldn't be v!Arete's first thought. This feels more like pointing a finger and calling attention. "Hey guys, there's this one dude who posted stuff about wanting to get killed. Maybe we should do it somewhere down the line, idk." It's a very subtle suggestion and I think it's very wolfy.

Since it's one wolfy thing in a string of passable posts by Arete, I'm still content not tunneling them to the death. But this isn't the way of thinking I expected from v!Rete.

Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play.
Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play.
Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play.
Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play.
Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play.

Point and laugh.

[staypositivefriend]

I HARD SHIELD GAVIAL.

do you think his posts are town-indicative, or is this a meme

Do you have an independently formed idea why Gavial is wolfy?

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 24#p797958

^^^^^

[Dyslexicon]

I HARD SHIELD GAVIAL.

do you think his posts are town-indicative, or is this a meme

I think they are null indicative and he should stay in the game.

[dyachei]

I HARD SHIELD GAVIAL.

do you think his posts are town-indicative, or is this a meme

I think they are null indicative and he should stay in the game.

what are your thoughts on alison?

[nutella]

Arete latching onto Dizzy and considering a yeet there, especially calling it "policy..." Rubs me the wrong way. Sure, if Dizzy's a wolf playing like this, losing to it would suck, but this shouldn't be v!Arete's first thought. This feels more like pointing a finger and calling attention. "Hey guys, there's this one dude who posted stuff about wanting to get killed. Maybe we should do it somewhere down the line, idk." It's a very subtle suggestion and I think it's very wolfy.

had the same initial reaction to that yeah

would wolf arete be so upfront about going after a policy thing like that? idk

i and i think a couple other people got to a tonal v read of dizzy's first few posts anyway and it feels like arete is the contrarian one here -- dizzy had made more actual posts by the time arete posted, but on the other hand it was a catchup post where they were just reacting to the first couple and they may not have seen the later ones

[Vulgard]

I HARD SHIELD GAVIAL.

do you think his posts are town-indicative, or is this a meme

Do you have an independently formed idea why Gavial is wolfy?

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 24#p797958

^^^^^

.

I literally just read that post by SPF.

You can probably tell I'm distracted doing something else.

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The reason I wolfread Arete for that post also extends to the context. On our homesite, at least when not playing against me, I'd expect wolfrete to post more agenda. They would feel they can get away with it because other players are not as good at spotting it as I am. But here, the Dizzy read feels more subtle. Just like the way I'd expect wolfRete to formulate their pushes in this game. Lots of competent players, and I know Arete thinks the players are competent, too. You can't be too blatant with your agenda, especially since Vulgard is in the game and randed town.

[Vulgard]

I have a preflip read based on it but I don't like preflips. I'm still going to leave it in the thread if I die and Arete turns out to be a wolf, but don't put much stock in it otherwise.

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Spoiler: show

If Arete's a wolf and I'm not alive to tunnel them when I become 100% certain of it:

Dizzy's just a villager. I've never seen wolf!Arete treat a partner like this so early in the game. They are not stalwart against bussing but they prefer not to. And bussing wouldn't do them any good when I'm in the game unless I die at night before I get them killed. Besides, what Dizzy's doing doesn't seem to have invited much scrutiny. Aside from Arete's cold take. Wolf!Arete wouldn't feel the need to provide that scrutiny. They wouldn't feel the need to imply they wouldn't mind the yeet going Dizzy's way. Not if Dizzy was their partner, at any rate.

THIS IS ONLY IF ARETE IS A WOLF. Don't exploit this for anything else if I get nightkilled.

Also posting this in the thread as my own point of reference if Arete ever flips red. I tend to forget the reasons I wolfread people as the game goes on.

[Vulgard]

Townread. Not wolfread.

I'm tired.

[Vulgard]

The last two pages have been me forgetting posts and asking questions that have already been answered.

I should go to sleep. See you.

[Dyslexicon]

what are your thoughts on alison?

I've only seen one post from her, her first one where she said she had no reads. I had a response to it, but I have no read of Alison. I remember having the thought of maybe being able to read her after last game, though she had low activity because she was sick. This may be hubris on my part. If I read her posts, I'll let you know.

[Dyslexicon]

I lean V on Dizzy after some consideration. I think a wolf doesn't break the flow of the thread like this just to brag that they won't play the game. Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play. Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play. People call this type of thing wolf WIFOM but I've never actually seen someone like this flip W.

I don't actually know Dizzy's wolfrange, but I wouldn't expect this "maneuver" from any wolf. You can invite people to yeet you without breaking threadflow and magnetizing attention. Wolf!Dizzy wouldn't pop into the thread just to scream "yeet me" and shitpost. In fact, there's even a comparison to be made when you look at KZA's entrance. I brought this up earlier. KZA's entrance is the type of "shitpost wahaha I may or may not care about this game" posting I'd expect from a wolf. Rather than what Dizzy did.

Arete latching onto Dizzy and considering a yeet there, especially calling it "policy..." Rubs me the wrong way. Sure, if Dizzy's a wolf playing like this, losing to it would suck, but this shouldn't be v!Arete's first thought. This feels more like pointing a finger and calling attention. "Hey guys, there's this one dude who posted stuff about wanting to get killed. Maybe we should do it somewhere down the line, idk." It's a very subtle suggestion and I think it's very wolfy.

Since it's one wolfy thing in a string of passable posts by Arete, I'm still content not tunneling them to the death. But this isn't the way of thinking I expected from v!Rete.

My wolf range is huge. It's been said that I don't even have a range, but of course, that isn't true.

That said, I have hardly ever had low effort in my wolf games, at least not in years. However, I have had low effort as town.
This is probably because I often feel I would be the strongest or one of the strongest wolves in a given team.
However RNG decided to rand the game, I know there are strong town here.
I'm also a decent town player, though town is a much harder alignment to play well as imo.

I think I could play like this as wolf.
I don't necessarily plan to "play like this" forever. But I'm very tired right now.

[Dyslexicon]

I have no thoughts on Arete's take on me. Town can be annoyed at me. If it's hard to shade other people or if she's struggling to have "enough" scum leans, then maybe it's shady. Haven't read her other posts.

[Dyslexicon]

The length of Nut's posts suggests she is town. This is a serious read.

[Marluxion]

sorry dHAA

dya
Hally
Alison
Amy

why tf is the d lowercase
just write names you madman
when i go "A to e4" you're not gonna know if i mean Alison or Amy and it's easier to type out the names than do this song and dance every time

[Marluxion]

I HARD SHIELD GAVIAL.

do you think his posts are town-indicative, or is this a meme

it's a meme
he hasn't towntold even remotely yet

[Marluxion]

I lean V on Dizzy after some consideration. I think a wolf doesn't break the flow of the thread like this just to brag that they won't play the game. Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play. Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play. People call this type of thing wolf WIFOM but I've never actually seen someone like this flip W.

I don't actually know Dizzy's wolfrange, but I wouldn't expect this "maneuver" from any wolf. You can invite people to yeet you without breaking threadflow and magnetizing attention. Wolf!Dizzy wouldn't pop into the thread just to scream "yeet me" and shitpost. In fact, there's even a comparison to be made when you look at KZA's entrance. I brought this up earlier. KZA's entrance is the type of "shitpost wahaha I may or may not care about this game" posting I'd expect from a wolf. Rather than what Dizzy did.

Arete latching onto Dizzy and considering a yeet there, especially calling it "policy..." Rubs me the wrong way. Sure, if Dizzy's a wolf playing like this, losing to it would suck, but this shouldn't be v!Arete's first thought. This feels more like pointing a finger and calling attention. "Hey guys, there's this one dude who posted stuff about wanting to get killed. Maybe we should do it somewhere down the line, idk." It's a very subtle suggestion and I think it's very wolfy.

Since it's one wolfy thing in a string of passable posts by Arete, I'm still content not tunneling them to the death. But this isn't the way of thinking I expected from v!Rete.

I got a similar vibe from Dizzy
Still not positive on Aroot but i can see what you mean
their push on hally felt a little weh earlier as well like i mentioned when i first caught up

[Marluxion]

I lean V on Dizzy after some consideration. I think a wolf doesn't break the flow of the thread like this just to brag that they won't play the game. Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play. Re: their LOUD BOMBASTIC ENTRANCE where they DECLARE they will NOT play. People call this type of thing wolf WIFOM but I've never actually seen someone like this flip W.

I don't actually know Dizzy's wolfrange, but I wouldn't expect this "maneuver" from any wolf. You can invite people to yeet you without breaking threadflow and magnetizing attention. Wolf!Dizzy wouldn't pop into the thread just to scream "yeet me" and shitpost. In fact, there's even a comparison to be made when you look at KZA's entrance. I brought this up earlier. KZA's entrance is the type of "shitpost wahaha I may or may not care about this game" posting I'd expect from a wolf. Rather than what Dizzy did.

Arete latching onto Dizzy and considering a yeet there, especially calling it "policy..." Rubs me the wrong way. Sure, if Dizzy's a wolf playing like this, losing to it would suck, but this shouldn't be v!Arete's first thought. This feels more like pointing a finger and calling attention. "Hey guys, there's this one dude who posted stuff about wanting to get killed. Maybe we should do it somewhere down the line, idk." It's a very subtle suggestion and I think it's very wolfy.

Since it's one wolfy thing in a string of passable posts by Arete, I'm still content not tunneling them to the death. But this isn't the way of thinking I expected from v!Rete.

My wolf range is huge. It's been said that I don't even have a range, but of course, that isn't true.

That said, I have hardly ever had low effort in my wolf games, at least not in years. However, I have had low effort as town.
This is probably because I often feel I would be the strongest or one of the strongest wolves in a given team.
However RNG decided to rand the game, I know there are strong town here.
I'm also a decent town player, though town is a much harder alignment to play well as imo.

I think I could play like this as wolf.
I don't necessarily plan to "play like this" forever. But I'm very tired right now.

For someone who's first post said they are going to refuse to play you sure are doing a lot of playing

[Dyslexicon]

Aroot haha. That made me lol

[Marluxion]

I love the smug cloud man emoji
it is now my son

[Dyslexicon]

For someone who's first post said they are going to refuse to play you sure are doing a lot of playing

Are you unhappy about that?

I'm doing playing. I'm not doing a lot of reading. It's the reading I find insufferable at this point. Not that you all aren't great writers.

[Dyslexicon]

I love the smug cloud man emoji
it is now my son

NO THAT IS MY THING.

But I use it to express love.



We can both use it for different things. It's cool.

Lux and Lex

[Marluxion]

For someone who's first post said they are going to refuse to play you sure are doing a lot of playing

Are you unhappy about that?

I'm doing playing. I'm not doing a lot of reading. It's the reading I find insufferable at this point. Not that you all aren't great writers.

Absolutely not, play all you want
I was just pointing it out before people attempt to case you for being low effort just because you said you were gonna be in your post 1, when that is clearly not going to be the case

[Dyslexicon]

I HARD SHIELD GAVIAL.

do you think his posts are town-indicative, or is this a meme

it's a meme
he hasn't towntold even remotely yet

Gavial is a bad chop regardless of if he has town told or not.
I would be much more comfortable to give him space and time.
I think he's an easy read over time.
This is why I hard shield him.

I'm a good chop strictly strategically, because I'm a very hard read if I was mafia here.
However, I am town.
If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

[Dyslexicon]

I can high post and low read. It's probably quite annoying. I will try not to. But I'm not inspired to read yet.

[staypositivefriend]

If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

how does that work?

[Dyslexicon]

If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

how does that work?

Gavial is very expandable if he's mafia. He will probably get caught. Scum wants to get the cred when they can get it. If Gavial is mafia, they are probably already spooked. That is how that works.

[staypositivefriend]

If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

how does that work?

Gavial is very expandable if he's mafia. He will probably get caught. Scum wants to get the cred when they can get it. If Gavial is mafia, they are probably already spooked. That is how that works.

imagine for a second that gavial is a 100% mechanically confirmed wolf. who is the wolf on his wagon right now?

[Dyslexicon]

Hally why was your entrance bad and scummy? Yes, that is scummy AND bad.

If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

[VOTE: Hally] aubergine

Though to be clear, I do not yet have a read on Gavial.

[Dyslexicon]

imagine for a second that gavial is a 100% mechanically confirmed wolf. who is the wolf on his wagon right now?

I don't have much of a clue about this, since I have not read the game. But in ISOing Hally just not to check out their vote, it was blank and that is an ok enough shot for me to take.

You would probably be second place for absolutely no reason.

[Dyslexicon]

I hope that Arete will accept her nick name, Aroot, from now till eternity. What to you think, @Arete ?

[staypositivefriend]

aroot is a state of mind

[Dyslexicon]

And a destination.

[Amy]

yeah ok i'm feeling pretty good on dizzy

"i'm not going to play! i'm so burned out!" => plays anyways, outposts half the thread

addicted villager/10

[Dyslexicon]

Well, that was easy.
I will keep this in mind for when I actually rand wolf.
I have also lost the war on the word "wolf".
Cursed be, cursed be.

I have more posts than SPF!
If she is also not controlling the thread or her image very much, she may be town. I wouldn't put it past her to rand town lol!

[Amy]

the gavial vote that looks most like a bus is

Spoiler: show

mine

Spoiler: show

but yeah i like hally's the least

[Dyslexicon]

If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

how does that work?

Gavial is very expandable if he's mafia. He will probably get caught. Scum wants to get the cred when they can get it. If Gavial is mafia, they are probably already spooked. That is how that works.

@staypositivefriend Do you think this perspective makes sense or not?

[bronana]

If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

how does that work?

I came into this game gavial would get bussed hard if he's a wolf, based on how his meta has been described.

Plus any random grouping of five players has approximately a 75% chance of having at least one wolf, if my math is right.

Spoiler: show

1 - (13 / 17)^5 = 73.85% of at least one wolf

if you want to assume "I am town and I am not one of those five players" = 1 - (12 / 16)^5 = 76.3% of at least one wolf

There are some underlying assumptions about votes on a wagon being independent events which isn't really true, but whatever, close enough. Been awhile since I took any stats or probability courses though. Yes this a useless post a wolf could easily make, sue me.

[Gavial]

I think SPF is scum over Hally.

[sunbae]

dyslexicon is posting how i post when i begrudgingly join a game because the player list looks fun, rand town, decide to just mess around, then find myself actually trying to solve things because i cant help myself and kinda hate myself for it a little but its too late im in now

[Gavial]

Why do I have 5 players voting me?
Not that I really care much anyway since I’m multi-balling and I’m only VT.
Just a shame people don’t like me that much.

[staypositivefriend]

If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

how does that work?

Gavial is very expandable if he's mafia. He will probably get caught. Scum wants to get the cred when they can get it. If Gavial is mafia, they are probably already spooked. That is how that works.

@staypositivefriend Do you think this perspective makes sense or not?

it's reasonable enough, yeah. there are usually wolves that try to bus their partner(s) early if they feel like they're going to inevitably get chopped, so it's not unreasonable to assume that someone would already be bussing gavial in a world where gavial is a wolf

i questioned you about that read initially because it seemed a little too definitive/strong, but i think that your perspective is fine after you explained it more

[Amy]

If you believe Gavial is mafia, we should chop someone on his wagon right now. There will be mafia there if Gavial is mafia.

how does that work?

I came into this game gavial would get bussed hard if he's a wolf, based on how his meta has been described.

Plus any random grouping of five players has approximately a 75% chance of having at least one wolf, if my math is right.

Spoiler: show

1 - (13 / 17)^5 = 73.85% of at least one wolf

if you want to assume "I am town and I am not one of those five players" = 1 - (12 / 16)^5 = 76.3% of at least one wolf

There are some underlying assumptions about votes on a wagon being independent events which isn't really true, but whatever, close enough. Been awhile since I took any stats or probability courses though. Yes this a useless post a wolf could easily make, sue me.

[Dyslexicon]

Excuse my manners, by the road.

I have not played with all of you, though I know most of you by name.
It is a pleasure to play with you all.
Though it is a displeasure, just for me, to be too sick of reading mafia games to feel inspired to read it right now.
Hopefully, this will pass.
This too shall pass.

[staypositivefriend]

I think SPF is scum over Hally.

why's that?

[Gavial]

Funny enough I still don’t see them pinging in a case on me lol.
Wouldn’t be surprised if more then 1 scum is on me tbh.

[Gavial]

I think SPF is scum over Hally.

why's that?

Because Hally more Town then you are Foo!

[bronana]

Why do I have 5 players voting me?
Not that I really care much anyway since I’m multi-balling and I’m only VT.
Just a shame people don’t like me that much.

dude what is this weaksauce

where's the seth that's like "these are the wolves BLAM these are the town BAM im a GOD sheep me" ?

[Gavial]

I liked Hally’s SoD posts if I remember correctly and I didn’t like the game State you were in SPF.