PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [END]

[Vulgard]

I think Marl is a villager for a reason completely unrelated to the supposed derpclear. I think his attempts to bang his head against the wall with annoyance over how he's being perceived when he's not in the focus of the thread are very villagery. It's like a villager who's trying to get into game but keps being gatekept for reasons he doesn't understand. It's possible I'm misframing this but that's how I interpret the situation.

Oh.

I still think Alison's a villager.

[staypositivefriend]

im annoyed that you claimed at all but i understand why you did

[outed wolf]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

prob gonna save posts unless anything seems particularly important to respond to at this point

fine with either alison or dya going over (think a good chance both a w/w or at the very least 1 between (i hope pls))

[nutella]

people who have experience playing with alison:

would wolf!alison fake being unaware of when EoD is and self-pres without a PR claim? shes locked into a VT claim now pretty much
isnt she one of the people who thinks fakeclaiming PR for the cc or potential to live another day is almost always optimal or am i mixing her up with someone else

hmm

ugh i dont *think* she faked it but i also didnt like that whole thing at all lol

but like if she had wanted to fakeclaim and genuinely thought she was 3 minutes from being chopped... hm. idk i cant think about this tbh

[Chloe]

oh god i have things to say but they're probably -EV aadiakjdnjkwadjwdjkw

i'll hold off but my brain is mega niarbing rn over something
weh

[Amy]

im annoyed that you claimed at all but i understand why you did

if the cap lifted at eod i would have held off

but momentum wasn't moving away from me as fast as i'd like, and if i'm gonna be forced to claim i wanna do it while people still have a double digit number of posts left lmao

still sucks but it is what it is

[nutella]

i'm tired and i wanna make sure people still have posts

@Alison
@Arete
@bronana
@c4e5g3d5
@dyachei
@Dyslexicon
@Gavial
@Hally
@Marluxion
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@nutella
@outed wolf
@staypositivefriend
@sunbae
@Tangrowth
@Vulgard

hardclaim tracker

n1 zack no visit

be here in earnest in like 10 minutes

oh lol ok

(pings dont work like that here btw you have to click the name when it pops up or manually type mention tags)

[Vulgard]

I have the sinking feeling the wagons are v/v. I don't think Alison's a wolf but I also think dyachei's push on her came from a genuine place. I'll probably vote dyachei over Alison when it comes down to it, though, if the wagons don't change. I think my reasons for townreading them are worse than my reasons for townreading Alison.

A part of me wants Amy to get counterclaimed so that at least I wasn't wrong again.

I'm not CCing.

[nutella]

assorted thoughts

I think the way outed wolf's approached me is pretty consistent with how he tends to approach me as a villager, speaking as someone who has been pushed by town!him a LOT (as both alignments, as we've now established!) I don't have a super confident read on him outside of that, but I'm kinda willing to ride the selfish read for the time being. I'm ASSUMING bronana/Sunbae would notice weirdness from him before I would, anyways (no pressure c:)

I had some thoughts about Zack near EoD yesterday along the lines of "I really haven't put a lot of effort into reading Zack yet" but they didn't go anywhere, and in light of KZA's flip I don't think I'm suuuuuuper concerned about him?

I've had misgivings about how much of a pass I've given Sunbae, too, simply because he feels like he's been more on the sidelines than he typically is. Entirely possible that I simply haven't made enough of an effort to engage him yet, and I feel fairly confident that I'll be able to lock him in as a more confident townread sooner or later if he really is town.

nutella, spf, and Vulgard are simply villagers, nothing more; my c4 read is largely sheeping spf, but having now read his wall (lol) I think there are a lot of astute points in there that display a villagery mindset, so I'm not too worried about doing further diligence.

dya... I will talk more about dya should it remain pertinent later on today. I'm not hard town on them, but the kind of read I have on dya is the kind I'm usually correct on. I do agree with a lot of the points against them re: tone and thread presence. Haven't looked at the Alison push in too much detail.

Chloe's opener felt very "I just joined in a villager slot and am hyped to start putting thoughts into the thread". No concerns here.

Marl I am voting for "he is whelming" reasons + sheeping Chloe reasons.

Arete is a player in this game and I still have no real idea what to do with them.

god fucking damn it you nerd

[outed wolf]

so where do you want to look if you think the wagons are v/v then?

you have three wolves and neither are alison or dya?

[Amy]

i'm tired and i wanna make sure people still have posts

@Alison
@Arete
@bronana
@c4e5g3d5
@dyachei
@Dyslexicon
@Gavial
@Hally
@Marluxion
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@nutella
@outed wolf
@staypositivefriend
@sunbae
@Tangrowth
@Vulgard

hardclaim tracker

n1 zack no visit

be here in earnest in like 10 minutes

@Alison
@Arete
@c4e5g3d5
@dyachei
@Dyslexicon
@Marluxion
@sunbae

skipped the people who were already here

also i didnt even proofread the first list so probably for the best that i get a mulligan

[nutella]

aight.

alison or dya i guess now

would consider zack for sure

but prob staying on alison for now


i have like 27 more posts for eod gonna go sleep

[bronana]

yall suck

you bastards finally broke me down after thirty-whatever-the-fuck hours of this shit to get me to consider one or both of amy/dya as wolves and if they're v/v then please pull up google maps and allow me to show you the directions to my butthole

[Arete]

claim acknowledged

I'm pretty sure Dya hasn't been in the thread since I asked them my last question but if I vote them maybe they'll be more likely to show up and answer it?

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

[Vulgard]

so where do you want to look if you think the wagons are v/v then?

you have three wolves and neither are alison or dya?

I'm not sure?

I've been thinking about Zack lately (no sexual). The no visit result from Amy (assuming this doesn't get CC'd) makes him a bit less likely but yeah.

Also you but where I have some reasons for Zack I have no reasons for you other than distrust/paranoia.

[Amy]

ok i'm here in earnest

i still very much do not like dya's treatment of my slot today; if i ignore tonal markers then i really just like... don't have a reason to townread them

zack's vote on me felt very "momentum is slowly shifting away from this villa wagon, let me fix that" when i read it, not sure if others feel the same way

my thoughts on alison haven't changed since she was here last, my primary issues are the gav weirdness and her general bleh-ness

so that's amy's thoughts re: the PoE

[sunbae]

blah i was trying to walk the votes back to dya and alison cause i was pretty sure you were a pr (plz dont maj, how did this get to amy, playfully telling you case me so i could clear you, i didnt think id have to spend brain power on amy today, etc) I really hope this isnt a fake claim cause i dont wanna look stupid lol

but the absolute "zero f's given" approach just screamed pr to me

Sorry for not being able to do better at it

[Arete]

Amy claiming to be the tracker doesn't influence my Dya read at all because my Dya read wasn't based on preflipping Amy

[Arete]

I've been thinking about Zack lately (no sexual).

I ... assume this is a typo ... but I have no idea what it's a typo for

[Vulgard]

I think Alison, Arete, c4 (?), Chloe, Dizzy, Marl, Nutella, SPF (?) are villagers.

I am not as sure about dya. Zack/Visor/Sunbae are the remaining three players.

I'll 100% vote dya over Alison or Amy if she doesn't get CCed, mind you.

[outed wolf]

[VOTE: dyachei] aubergine

last post for today, see you fellas tomorrow maybe

gl everyone.

[Amy]

i do not think the PoE is w/w/w

i think zack/alison have w/w equity based off the timing of zack's vote on me; i know people thought zack/dya was a possible team earlier but i kinda don't wanna think that the only 2 people even remotely sharing my perspective itg are wolves?

i think spf's wack and dya/alison is like never in a million years a team, MAYBE reconsider that in lylo. maybe.

[Vulgard]

I've been thinking about Zack lately (no sexual).

I ... assume this is a typo ... but I have no idea what it's a typo for

It was a stupid joke, disregard that.

[Vulgard]

i do not think the PoE is w/w/w

i think zack/alison have w/w equity based off the timing of zack's vote on me; i know people thought zack/dya was a possible team earlier but i kinda don't wanna think that the only 2 people even remotely sharing my perspective itg are wolves?

i think spf's wack and dya/alison is like never in a million years a team, MAYBE reconsider that in lylo. maybe.

Elaborate on SPF, please. I have SPF as town for vague "I like her posts and I like SPF so I want her to be town" reasons but yes.

[Amy]

side note: i would like to stop randing pr

p sure i've randed pr in 3 of my 4 last villa games, and i subbed out of the vt game...

[Chloe]

alison/dya isnt a world unless the plan is to send exactly dya deep
but like why the hell
they'd be down a partner *already* and its extremely suboptimal
and dya would have to explain being freakin alive in lylo after dunking on alison

its not really a world in my mind

[Amy]

i do not think the PoE is w/w/w

i think zack/alison have w/w equity based off the timing of zack's vote on me; i know people thought zack/dya was a possible team earlier but i kinda don't wanna think that the only 2 people even remotely sharing my perspective itg are wolves?

i think spf's wack and dya/alison is like never in a million years a team, MAYBE reconsider that in lylo. maybe.

Elaborate on SPF, please. I have SPF as town for vague "I like her posts and I like SPF so I want her to be town" reasons but yes.

think you're misinterpreting me

"spf's wack" = "spf's theory about dya/alison being w/w is wack"

not a read on spf

[sunbae]

I'm really annoyed at myself over this one

[Vulgard]

Oh.

Well then, yeah, I was. Do you townread SPF?

[Chloe]

wait what the fuck do my remaining posts carry over to tomorrow?

i've never played with something like that

this is amazing

[Arete]

ftr the mechanically optimal play for the jailkeeper is to flip a coin and protect Amy if it comes up heads

since Hally died, the jailkeeper getting a single save gives us an extra miselim relative to them not getting a save, which means they can't risk attacking Amy if the jailkeeper does this but also can't just wait until tomorrow night

and it also means that if hypothetically speaking Amy is Mafia and the hypothetical tracker, whoever they are, chooses not to counterclaim her, Mafia can't just count on having her carry the kill

[bronana]

zack's vote on me felt very "momentum is slowly shifting away from this villa wagon, let me fix that" when i read it, not sure if others feel the same way

what in the name of tony romo are you even implying amy

that i have been bussing alison all day and then decided to switch to you for the lols and then immediately went back to bussing alison? this sentence doesnt even make sense if you don't think alison is a wolf, no one else was a serious wagon at the time

why would you even track me n1 (the "why are you posting like cuth?" question has an unfortunate new meaning now) why would i ever be carrying the n1 kill or any wolf night action after dizzy's posts at eod?

[Amy]

Oh.

Well then, yeah, I was. Do you townread SPF?

she's in my "i THINK you're town but i think a lot of people itg are town and you're one of the people i could conceivably be wrong on" tier

i... honestly don't remember why i dropped her, though. i think there was a post she made about me that felt opportunistic in the moment? but she wasn't one of the people going after me when i claimed so i'm not 100% sure that fits

shrug she may just be town

[nutella]

hello people who know sunbae better than me is it dumb that i want to wolfread sunbae for making a pr read

[sunbae]

Yes

[Amy]

zack's vote on me felt very "momentum is slowly shifting away from this villa wagon, let me fix that" when i read it, not sure if others feel the same way

what in the name of tony romo are you even implying amy

that i have been bussing alison all day and then decided to switch to you for the lols and then immediately went back to bussing alison? this sentence doesnt even make sense if you don't think alison is a wolf, no one else was a serious wagon at the time

why would you even track me n1 (the "why are you posting like cuth?" question has an unfortunate new meaning now) why would i ever be carrying the n1 kill or any wolf night action after dizzy's posts at eod?

the alison point is a fair one

and i'm not super happy about the track target shrug. i sent it in like 10 minutes after eod as a "who have i been kinda lazy in reading that is conceivably deep enough to carry the kill" with the intent of thinking about it more later, and then i didn't

dizzy's posts didn't even cross my mind

[Vulgard]

Village:

Alison
Amy (IF she doesn't get counterclaimed)
Arete
Chloe
Dizzy
Marl
Nutella

Village with reservations:

c4 (I don't understand his POV sometimes and his progression on Gavial-related reads day 1 doesn't track in a really odd way.)
staypositivefriend (I have no concrete reasons to townread her beyond just liking her posts, vibing, and internally wanting her to be town so we can solve the game together.)

Leaving:

Dya (I'm going to sheep thread consensus on this one, especially if the other alternative is still just Alison)
Sunbae
Visor
Zack

[Amy]

sunbae do you remember when it was that you started pr reading me

[sunbae]

I'm just going to mason with Amy and nobody - not even her - can stop me

sunbae do you remember when it was that you started pr reading me

.

[sunbae]

Also read through my iso and look at how I talk to you compared to literally anyone else

I just didn't know how to shift it

[Amy]

well, i'm baffled

but also i believe it

[bronana]

after how long of hearing people insist i am w/w with amy

how long did i spend resisting amy wolfreads before finally giving in like an idiot

now amy is lack claire town and everyone including her STILL insists i am a wolf

sorry i should just step away i don't have many posts left and i'm tilted at the stupid way this day has gone down

[nutella]

wait what the fuck do my remaining posts carry over to tomorrow?

i've never played with something like that

this is amazing

i don't...think so?? what?

it's just 100 each day phase plus the extras from prizes

zack's vote on me felt very "momentum is slowly shifting away from this villa wagon, let me fix that" when i read it, not sure if others feel the same way

what in the name of tony romo are you even implying amy

that i have been bussing alison all day and then decided to switch to you for the lols and then immediately went back to bussing alison? this sentence doesnt even make sense if you don't think alison is a wolf, no one else was a serious wagon at the time

why would you even track me n1 (the "why are you posting like cuth?" question has an unfortunate new meaning now) why would i ever be carrying the n1 kill or any wolf night action after dizzy's posts at eod?

the alison point is a fair one

and i'm not super happy about the track target shrug. i sent it in like 10 minutes after eod as a "who have i been kinda lazy in reading that is conceivably deep enough to carry the kill" with the intent of thinking about it more later, and then i didn't

dizzy's posts didn't even cross my mind

yeah thats fine reasoning imo

i'm not loving zack's reaction here

I'm just going to mason with Amy and nobody - not even her - can stop me

sunbae do you remember when it was that you started pr reading me

.

Also read through my iso and look at how I talk to you compared to literally anyone else

I just didn't know how to shift it

...lmao ok i believe this i guess

[bronana]

site broke for a few minutes dunno if that was jsut me

I'm just going to mason with Amy and nobody - not even her - can stop me

sunbae do you remember when it was that you started pr reading me

.

you knew amy was a pr in post #68? i feel like i'm being trolled

[outed wolf]

i dont think zacks posts here are wolfy shrug

[sunbae]

No, that's when I started thinking it (which is what was asked) and then it strengthened over time and stuff. Just felt that the posting style was one that was nowhere close to being worried about being chopped this game and that it probably meant pr. Now, I'm really hoping I don't end up looking really dumb and it was just a fake claim (though I feel a fake would have been jailkeeper?). But yeah, like idk what to tell you. Just felt "thats a pr" shrug

[Amy]

holding posts for tomorrow

[sunbae]

I was gonna try to rebatch the game in some tiers but ended up not really loving where I ended up so I'm going to sleep on it and get it done tomorrow

[Dyslexicon]

Gone over to skimming.

1. I kind of want to leave Zack alone.
2. Zack, I see your point on Tangy, but I don't think Tangy tends to be like "I don't know what to do!" about teammates, I kind of hold her to a higher standard. Not a super strong opinion honestly, but I think Chloe has been towny as well.
3. SPF more towny. Also I'm not even mad at the Dya/Alison theory, cause it's been in my mind as well, though it feels like it should be dumb.
4. I liked c4's retort to Dya when Dya pushed him to "prove it with quotes!" cause that just felt a bit unrealistic tbh.
5. So many people have mentioned nobody is engaging with their content. Same. Few people have engaged with mine, though I don't know if it's very worthy of engagement lol. It does feel like people are solving a lot on their own, and then reading others on their content, but not fully engaging all the time. Don't even know if that's a horrible thing.
6. I've seen me referred to as nullish or hard to get a grasp on by quite a few. I think it's then time to look at my iso or look at my post. I don't think it should be hard to get a read on me and that read should be town. When I'm town I'm just town.

Both of the wagons are in my PoE, and I have less good feelings about both than most others.

Not the worst thing to have Amy self clear when she was a wagon. Lol claim and all. But whatever.

I like Sunbae when we were around at the same time. I do have too many town reads though. Or actually, Dya/Alison/Zack only non town reads. And that's probably not the team. Vulgard, c4 and Arete are town reads I mostly Sponge.

[Chloe]

continuing through d1:

multiple people have brought up c4's shortened readslists and asked him to please stop using that formatting. it actually kinda rubs me the wrong way that hes pretty much ignoring requests to cooperate. maybe hes smug town that wont change his playstyle to appeal to the masses but i feel like he'd state that somewhere?

just had a really dumb chloe moment
thought someone tmi'd their buddy but then realized i just suck at reading
lol

dizzy's treatment of seth is a big ol' whatze fuck but so incredibly unnecessary and against the grain as a wolf that i feel it's villagery

spf actually bothering to interact with seth and trying to dig into his brain is a good look as it seems the consensus is to just brush him off as wolfy and accept that he's the chop. no dunk-fest or painting him in a bad light. this doesnt feel like the spf i saw in CoV either. no indication of hardbussing for the c r e d, and her posts dont feel overly padded? also a distinct lack of lampshading which is good
(i'll also add on that her progression on me doesnt give me any bad vibes)
tossing out the How To Find SPF As Town guide pretty early on initially felt premature to me and very out of place. didnt like it. im usually not a fan of that type of thing. though upon re-read im actually leaning in the opposite direction now. its ever-so-slightly townie to break the flow of the thread willingly.. and at the same time doing something blatantly gross (self-meta! woo!) yet her post doesn't feel like shes using it as a crutch or gaslighting (for lack of a better word) the thread into thinking shes been villagery af bro! (either of which i'd expect from a wolf more than just a 'hi heres a little thing on how to figure me out. do with it what you will i guess' and leaving it at that)
reading the whole sunbae/spf interaction with a clearer mind makes me realize i was pretty damn conf-biased my first time around just because of how icky i found the guide in general, and i kinda.. wanted her to be a wolf a little bit? still think sunbae DIVING in and going ham, as well as the follow-up discussion with spf, is fairly villagery

this isnt really the type of associative-read i'd expect from a woofer? this is a read i think applies *much* more to anyone newer to wolfing, or fm in general, but it goes a level deeper than what i'm used to seeing from wolves so ye its a good vibe

pretty much every new nut posts just solidifies my read there
on a related note i didnt mention this earlier i dont think (?) but i think the fact that dya hasnt found nut when im like.. really confident there, is concerning? im see-saw between it being wolfy and it being villagery but i dont really understand it at this point - and from what i saw it was mostly based on the fact that shes not as.. bouncy as they're used to? @dyachei i can you expand on your nut read for me please? i could be getting snowed, but i really dont think i am. i'd appreciate a more fleshed out post or two that i can dig into please (will check and make sure i didnt miss anything from you wrt nut after im done with this)

im reading through alison's take regarding seth and i can see an argument for it being tmi - but i dont get why she would do that and what she thinks she gets from his flip? she'd have to know she'd look bad? like, if shes a wolf i cant help but get the feeling shes positioning herself to be bussed and put the other wolves in a better position, but also.. we're down a wolf and thats super risky and not optimal. im preflipping a bit but if alison flips wolf PR i think dya is just lickity lock. if she flips goon i think theres a chance she could be being bussed *i guess* (heavily heavily doubt tbqh) but i dont fully feel like fully entertaining either of these worlds without a flip. i personally think shes flippin v.

lol @ nut just assuming seth is a wolf lmao - then in the next post remembering wolf prs exist. like cmonn the girl is a villager

feel like arete would just be contributing to the dunk-fest on seth and moreso trying to stop people from finding him, rather than bringing up actual legitimate points in his favor. not a very strong read of mine since i didnt see a lot of action to back up their words and this is mostly based on What I Expect From Wolfrete but yeah its a better look than not tbh. and their fear that they'll be paired with seth if he flips w is kinda pure yeah

this post from hally has good thoughts wrt marl - i vibe with them
the series of posts here has some of the upbeat chaotic energy i expect from villamorl

i'm a HUGE sucker for emotions and seeing dya get upset at how people are treating them is hard for me to not assign some townpoints. otherwise i dont have many thoughts on them wrt d1 (but ugh this feels TMI-y considering their read on nut :/)
if wagons stay like this i'll probably be going dya just because of a few things i find as somewhat townie from alison
dya is my first iso to look into in the morning


ohmygod im finally caught up on everything
i finally understand what the hell is happening in this game lmao
i can see clearly now, the rain is gone

bye