Beelzebub The Benign scum win

[Gavial]

Interesting progression

Yup, what do u think of that?

I don't think you believe it

I dont "believe" what?

I don't think you believe I'm scum.

I don't like Falcon's responses to a clearly non-serious vote.

Why isn't it serious? You know something I don't?

This is also good convo to look at.
Definitely convinced there’s a scum within these 3 but I don’t wanna hit wrong.

[Gavial]

ill agree with Falcon that Samu is sorta fakeish but it is also too early in the game for anything to be completely certain.

[Gavial]

I think it’s important to note that while Sean (-) Sam
Sam (-) Sean flipping doesn’t entirely make it W/W I do see it as a probably.
I can also see either of the 3 as scum buddies or solo scum V 2 Town.

[Gavial]

@Alison I'll take a tarot read if you wanna do one

yeah ok I was asking for that wasn't I

I mean they are random so.

[Gavial]

I dont "believe" what?

I don't think you believe I'm scum.

I don't like Falcon's responses to a clearly non-serious vote.

Why isn't it serious? You know something I don't?

He voted you off a tarot card, and you are being very defensive about it.

I said I didn't believe he thought I was scum, his response to that def pings me, not gonna lie. I don't feel he's approached the vote as tho he were joking, including his follow up to my response.

Do you usually interpret naked early D1 votes as super serious?

Now for me Sean, I don’t find his vote pingy but rather the response post on Falcons first post that makes me pinged.

[Gavial]

Okey, Falcon is town.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Interesting progression

Yup, what do u think of that?

I don't think you believe it

I dont "believe" what?

I don't think you believe I'm scum.

Thats weird dude, are u assuming that i have read something scumness from your post without thinking that i reacted voting to that post cause i dont like how is writted that specific post without thinking that you are scum but i do it to see how do u react?

Well, your response have been giving me a scum lean cause i voted u, thats it, i my vote is well fundamented now.

A town in this moment of the game prob will look for my thoughts to understand why i do that or if i really read something more than he doesnt also if there ir a problem with what is said, a scum is going to take advantage of the fact that I have contradicted myself in a short space of time to put a scumlean on me, that's what I think.

I’m honestly still trying to comprehend what the first paragraph says, honestly this seems very poorly writen.
Either this guy has problems typing what they say or they are just not being genuine here.
Because this legit looks like it was a thrown together response with no heart given into it.
While I understand what is being said and know a town can think like this, I just can’t comprehend why they wrote it like this.

[Gavial]

Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

Yeah I can agree with this thought but I can’t say I would go through with that thought RN, still considering the possibility though.

[Gavial]

But if that’s Urist’s opening post...
That’s like kinda lame.
Not really AI, just lame.

[Gavial]

Won't be posting much for the next 24ish hours. Wife and I are taking turns on the toilet.

Um.
.....
Ok?

It’s not like you were posting much anyway.

[Gavial]

Just post more when you get back and do your catch up!

[DaughterOfOmega]

This person is talking a lot

[Gavial]

Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

What looks wolfy from Samu?

What looks Townie from Samu? ignoring that Falcon interaction that you seem to make AI for Samu.

[Alison]

Samsamu is a scum lean for sure, not for OMGUS reasons, but his read progression on me and his follow up "don't believe what?" when I said he doesn't believe his own progression

What's wrong with exaggerating a read you don't really believe in early?

[Alison]

Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

Elaborate. I think Samusamu looks very town.

[Gavial]

BK come back here and explain yourself.

Sorry bud the tarot cards don't lie.

Messed up the quote the first time. Blaming it on the beers.

BK/Marmot I think aren’t W/W.

[Alison]

If this is scum theatre this is the best I’ve ever seen.

Spoiler: show

That hasn’t been done by me.

I find this hard to believe. I don't think there was anything special about Marmot's interaction with me. I think you are just pulling up random posts and slapping some semi-defensible comment on them to look solvey.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

[Gavial]

I am flavourless town. Behold ye mighty and despair

Okey, Falcon is town.

I'm game

Oh dear. The flavor doesn't tell us much, but "death" can only be a scum flavor, and it's associated with fallen angels, too.

Oh, well I do have a job interview on Monday at a new company I'm excited about, maybe that's what the change is

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Interesting progression

Eh I don’t really wanna say what I feel because it could hurt the game state, but I will say I do think both these players are important to look at.

How does withholding information hurt the game state?

It doesn’t take an Einstein to figure that answer out but let’s drop it for now.

[Gavial]

If this is scum theatre this is the best I’ve ever seen.

Spoiler: show

That hasn’t been done by me.

I find this hard to believe. I don't think there was anything special about Marmot's interaction with me. I think you are just pulling up random posts and slapping some semi-defensible comment on them to look solvey.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

I GTG eat, I’ll get back to this post later.

[Alison]

I think it’s important to note that while Sean (-) Sam
Sam (-) Sean flipping doesn’t entirely make it W/W I do see it as a probably.
I can also see either of the 3 as scum buddies or solo scum V 2 Town.

Congratulations, this is the first time I've seen someone make a salad with only two people.

[Alison]

I GTG eat, I’ll get back to this post later.

Tell the rest of the scumchat they can take as long as they like to workshop your response.

[Long Con]

The other 6 Princes of Hell are Satan, Lucifer, Leviathon, Mammon, Belphegor & Asmodeus

Did you get that from your scum chat?

No, I recently watched Constantine and then went deep into Wiki on some demonology stuff.

We talkin' Keanu Reeves or Matt Ryan?

Why isn't it serious? You know something I don't?

He voted you off a tarot card, and you are being very defensive about it.

Hi, flame-fanner. That's what qualifies as "very defensive" these days? Looks casual af to me.

If you say so... Falcon looks mighty uncomfortable given the context in that exchange if you ask me though.

Well if you believe that, then by all means pursue it. How do you read Samusamu's follow up? Can you understand what he's trying to say?

I could be wrong, but I think he is saying his vote was a reaction test and that you didn't react well, which I agree with.

More than a reaction is a shit test, there is not a good or bad reaction or response to that per se, but i can make reads from that. The result is far to say, falcon is scum, but is something that i really dont like and i will take it in consideration in the progression of falcon's game, cause i dont know falcon and i dont know if it is something normal in his game approach (if anybody know it, it will help me).

So i wanna conclude this topic.

Know there are other interesting things

I don't like this post, this explanation, and most of all, this backstep into a *very reasonable* callout for helpful meta on this strange person you've encountered.

[VOTE: samusamu] aubergine

[Alison]

I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.

[Alison]

Oh, what a coincidence, LC wants to join the club too.

[Long Con]

Oh, what a coincidence, LC wants to join the club too.

You think I'm a wolf because I think Samu is suspect?

[Seanzie]

Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

What looks wolfy from Samu?

What looks Townie from Samu? ignoring that Falcon interaction that you seem to make AI for Samu.

I don't remember anything from Samu other than that interaction, so idk how to answer this question.

[Seanzie]

I think it’s important to note that while Sean (-) Sam
Sam (-) Sean flipping doesn’t entirely make it W/W I do see it as a probably.
I can also see either of the 3 as scum buddies or solo scum V 2 Town.

Congratulations, this is the first time I've seen someone make a salad with only two people.

What exactly is a salad? I think someone explained it to me once, but I don't really get it.

[Seanzie]

The other 6 Princes of Hell are Satan, Lucifer, Leviathon, Mammon, Belphegor & Asmodeus

Did you get that from your scum chat?

No, I recently watched Constantine and then went deep into Wiki on some demonology stuff.

We talkin' Keanu Reeves or Matt Ryan?

He voted you off a tarot card, and you are being very defensive about it.

Hi, flame-fanner. That's what qualifies as "very defensive" these days? Looks casual af to me.

If you say so... Falcon looks mighty uncomfortable given the context in that exchange if you ask me though.

Well if you believe that, then by all means pursue it. How do you read Samusamu's follow up? Can you understand what he's trying to say?

I could be wrong, but I think he is saying his vote was a reaction test and that you didn't react well, which I agree with.

More than a reaction is a shit test, there is not a good or bad reaction or response to that per se, but i can make reads from that. The result is far to say, falcon is scum, but is something that i really dont like and i will take it in consideration in the progression of falcon's game, cause i dont know falcon and i dont know if it is something normal in his game approach (if anybody know it, it will help me).

So i wanna conclude this topic.

Know there are other interesting things

I don't like this post, this explanation, and most of all, this backstep into a *very reasonable* callout for helpful meta on this strange person you've encountered.

[VOTE: samusamu] aubergine

Why don't you like samu doing something that is very reasonable in your mind?

[Long Con]

I intended to convey that Samu was trying to sound reasonable, not that I thought it was reasonable.

[Alison]

Oh, what a coincidence, LC wants to join the club too.

You think I'm a wolf because I think Samu is suspect?

Not necessarily, but you're someone that deserves scrutiny. What don't you like about Samu's explanation exactly?

[Seanzie]

I intended to convey that Samu was trying to sound reasonable, not that I thought it was reasonable.

Okay, that makes more sense.

[Long Con]

Oh, what a coincidence, LC wants to join the club too.

You think I'm a wolf because I think Samu is suspect?

Not necessarily, but you're someone that deserves scrutiny. What don't you like about Samu's explanation exactly?

I tried to explain it in the post I identified it, I was hoping that would answer such questions. I don't buy the evolution of the seeming joke vote blossoming into a big Gotcha that I don't agree with in the first place, and I don't like that he walked it back and asked the thread for falcon meta.

[Long Con]

AND I guess I have to reread, because I thought those other guys were going after falcon and no one had the same POV I did on it, and now you're saying that I'm jumping on the Samu train or something.

[hollowkatt]

If this is scum theatre this is the best I’ve ever seen.

Spoiler: show

That hasn’t been done by me.

I find this hard to believe. I don't think there was anything special about Marmot's interaction with me. I think you are just pulling up random posts and slapping some semi-defensible comment on them to look solvey.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

funny, I was gonna call him town lol

[hollowkatt]

I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.

not sure I'd lump Tim into that archetype. He's way more feisty than Michelle. Maybe call it the Michelle-Wisdom archetype and I'm in.
yes that means I think samusamu might be town. I'm not getting the weirdness from that conversation others are

[falcon45ca]

I dont "believe" what?

I don't think you believe I'm scum.

I don't like Falcon's responses to a clearly non-serious vote.

Why isn't it serious? You know something I don't?

He voted you off a tarot card, and you are being very defensive about it.

I said I didn't believe he thought I was scum, his response to that def pings me, not gonna lie. I don't feel he's approached the vote as tho he were joking, including his follow up to my response.

Do you usually interpret naked early D1 votes as super serious?

I definitely take naked early D1 votes from players I have no experience/rapport with seriously, yes.


When do you take votes seriously?

[falcon45ca]

Urist looks pretty oppurtunistuc pouncing on Samu's and my interaction, calls us a w/w team before announcing he won't be back for awhile.


How do others see that?

[falcon45ca]

LC looks towny w/ his take on Samu's & my interaction, not w/w LC & Samu.

[hollowkatt]

Urist looks pretty oppurtunistuc pouncing on Samu's and my interaction, calls us a w/w team before announcing he won't be back for awhile.


How do others see that?

somewhere between weak and lame

[Seanzie]

I don't think you believe I'm scum.

I don't like Falcon's responses to a clearly non-serious vote.

Why isn't it serious? You know something I don't?

He voted you off a tarot card, and you are being very defensive about it.

I said I didn't believe he thought I was scum, his response to that def pings me, not gonna lie. I don't feel he's approached the vote as tho he were joking, including his follow up to my response.

Do you usually interpret naked early D1 votes as super serious?

I definitely take naked early D1 votes from players I have no experience/rapport with seriously, yes.


When do you take votes seriously?

It depends on context. Early D1 votes are rarely permanent and are often just RVS or reaction tests, so unless it is very clear someone is placing a vote they are adamant about, I rarely take such votes seriously.

[Long Con]

Urist looks pretty oppurtunistuc pouncing on Samu's and my interaction, calls us a w/w team before announcing he won't be back for awhile.


How do others see that?

I thought that was arbitrary.

[hollowkatt]

why not take votes seriously though?

[Seanzie]

why not take votes seriously though?

I mean, votes should always be considered for their meaning. I think the word "serious" isn't quite right. Samu's vote didn't look at all like it was meant to contribute to a TK of Falcon, and rarely are early D1 votes meant in that way. Instead they are more used to generate content and reactions. Samu naked voted Falcon, and then when pressed, asked Falcon what he thinks of that. That vote looks "non-serious" to be in the sense that I don't really think Samu was thinking about TKing Falcon there. If Samu is town, it was a reaction test, and if he is scum, I don't think he would cast a vote meant to stay there this early in D1.

Doing reaction tests like that IMO is >rand town, and Falcon taking the vote seriously enough to OMGUS Samu I think is >rand scum.

[hollowkatt]

why not take votes seriously though?

I mean, votes should always be considered for their meaning. I think the word "serious" isn't quite right. Samu's vote didn't look at all like it was meant to contribute to a TK of Falcon, and rarely are early D1 votes meant in that way. Instead they are more used to generate content and reactions. Samu naked voted Falcon, and then when pressed, asked Falcon what he thinks of that. That vote looks "non-serious" to be in the sense that I don't really think Samu was thinking about TKing Falcon there. If Samu is town, it was a reaction test, and if he is scum, I don't think he would cast a vote meant to stay there this early in D1.

Doing reaction tests like that IMO is >rand town, and Falcon taking the vote seriously enough to OMGUS Samu I think is >rand scum.

basically there's a difference between "I intend to kill you with this vote" and "I wonder what happens if I vote you here". There's also "this vote is literally for laughs" but that category is generally really obvs.

Can see how ppl are getting to wolfy falcon off of that.

[Gavial]

If this is scum theatre this is the best I’ve ever seen.

Spoiler: show

That hasn’t been done by me.

I find this hard to believe. I don't think there was anything special about Marmot's interaction with me. I think you are just pulling up random posts and slapping some semi-defensible comment on them to look solvey.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

Ok I’ll admit maybe I was exaggerating a bit there but Marmot’s comment that was basically saying next person to post is scum without entirely saying it and then his response to you I feel would be well done scum theatre.
I’m not pulling up random posts. I’m not just going into a hat and being late oooooo I wonder what post I’ll pull today. I’m just reading through the thread and giving my thoughts and takes.
So if I’m reading this correctly your practically saying that “semi-defensible comment I made was trying too hard at being solvey” could you like give me a brief example regarding this?
I mean maybe you just don’t like my thoughts and takes to the point your considering it AI?
Maybe there’s a take you don’t like of mine that you believe is sus.
Please show me what appears to be bothering you.

[Gavial]

*Like not late

[Gavial]

Forgive me, I’m not one to reread what I’m posting before I post it.

[Gavial]

I think it’s important to note that while Sean (-) Sam
Sam (-) Sean flipping doesn’t entirely make it W/W I do see it as a probably.
I can also see either of the 3 as scum buddies or solo scum V 2 Town.

Congratulations, this is the first time I've seen someone make a salad with only two people.

Not sure what this means but alright.

[Gavial]

I GTG eat, I’ll get back to this post later.

Tell the rest of the scumchat they can take as long as they like to workshop your response.

If you want I can take a picture of my dishwasher and show you I just finished cleaning up my dinner dishes.

[Gavial]

I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.

“Easy ML” isn’t a reason to assume someone’s town.
Mafia can simply be playing poorly to the extent they look like one.
As for myself, I’m not confident in either as that is exactly what I believe.
They are Willager or Wolf. Least IMO.
I’m not pushing him at all I’m just giving my take and input.
Urist just said 1 take and then pretty much said he had to dip, definitely a very powerful push there eh Alison?
Am I not allowed to contribute my thoughts?
Like you don’t seem to be a fan on those that intervened in the conversation between Falcon/Samu yet I still have yet to hear your take on the matter and if I missed it please redirect me to your post that I missed.
Not to mention you seem to have no opinion on Sean at all, he defended Samu (not that well IMO) and sus’ed Falcon.
Also if you don’t agree on my takes then respond to them with your own take, like what is your own take on Sean’s comment regarding Falcon’s first post.

[Gavial]

Like I’m not going to deny it.
They could be TvT I've seen it.
But it’s just a possible to be TVS.
And not entirely far off to be SvS.

My point is nothing is AI as of now.