Cartomancy [Game Over]

[robyn]

lucy how far in your reread are you

got distracted, some hot 6’ guy stole my undivided attention

i want everyone’s reads on tutuu/sig today

[Dennis]

My recount of tutuu post count has me at 82

[Dennis]

lucy how far in your reread are you

got distracted, some hot 6’ guy stole my undivided attention

i want everyone’s reads on tutuu/sig today

Town/teeny wolf lean

[Porscha]

lucy how far in your reread are you

got distracted, some hot 6’ guy stole my undivided attention

i want everyone’s reads on tutuu/sig today

understandable, have a nice day

tutuu probs town sig ...eeeeeeeeh

[staypositivefriend]

how are u guys doing? hows ur day been?

ive been talking to a girl and ... heh ... what can i say ...

my game is on point, my rizz is unfathomable

call me a player coz im out there gaming

proud of u tbh

[tutuu]

how are u guys doing? hows ur day been?

ive been talking to a girl and ... heh ... what can i say ...

my game is on point, my rizz is unfathomable

call me a player coz im out there gaming

rondo trynna post an image be like

[Porscha]

lol boomer moment

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

Are you trying to buddy me?

If you don't think I've been SR Mac for a long time...scratch that, I know you do.

falcon what do you think of literally anyone else

Roxy, sabi, Jack, Rondo are all wagons I'm also down for

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

Honestly I think we need to kill Falcon, not because I think he is scum (though pushing me continually without re-eval is scummy) but because he will eventually vote for me and eventually he might get the numbers and we cant have that so hopefully we can get some wolves and a misex is available. Otherwise we are going to lose this game if falcon is town. Also removing my high town read on falcon he is down to just normal town lean because at this point its getting to be scummy agenda

[falcon45ca]

Honestly I think we need to kill Falcon, not because I think he is scum (though pushing me continually without re-eval is scummy) but because he will eventually vote for me and eventually he might get the numbers and we cant have that so hopefully we can get some wolves and a misex is available. Otherwise we are going to lose this game if falcon is town. Also removing my high town read on falcon he is down to just normal town lean because at this point its getting to be scummy agenda

Whole lotta justification here for OMGUS.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Honestly I think we need to kill Falcon, not because I think he is scum (though pushing me continually without re-eval is scummy) but because he will eventually vote for me and eventually he might get the numbers and we cant have that so hopefully we can get some wolves and a misex is available. Otherwise we are going to lose this game if falcon is town. Also removing my high town read on falcon he is down to just normal town lean because at this point its getting to be scummy agenda

Whole lotta justification here for OMGUS.

self preservation you have literally been on me for almost 3 days straight with 0 re-eval. Its not OMGUS

[tutuu]

@Sabiplz im the only one who townreads u for being you, so if u ever feel like chilling, letting go of all that stress, all those obligations, just relaxing and vibing....

u know who to sheep

[Dennis]

I think it's pretty funny how Rondo wants to kill one of his townreads because "nuh uh! nope! im not mafia!" if I read that right

[Sabiplz]

@Sabiplz im the only one who townreads u for being you, so if u ever feel like chilling, letting go of all that stress, all those obligations, just relaxing and vibing....

u know who to sheep

I will sheep you uwu

[Sabiplz]

@Sabiplz im the only one who townreads u for being you, so if u ever feel like chilling, letting go of all that stress, all those obligations, just relaxing and vibing....

u know who to sheep

I will sheep you uwu

Jk idk of ur town

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think it's pretty funny how Rondo wants to kill one of his townreads because "nuh uh! nope! im not mafia!" if I read that right

You are indeed misreading it.

Falcon has no signs of re-evaluating and it will come to a head sooner or later so I may as well be preparing for it now.

Seanzie was tunneling me hard at the start of the game. But he backed off and thought about it and re-evaluated, then he decided he wanted me again and then got off me. Its a towny progression.

Falcon has been 100% on me without any signs of actual thought just get him get him get him. Its not good for thread health and come to lylo it will be a misvote that will lose us the game. So why wouldnt I want to get rid of him while we can? Town want to win, Falcon is as of now wrong town. But hey I dont know he is town I have just felt like he has been towny. He could just be a wolf wanting to get possibly the oracle over and go "my bad" when I flip or just accepting the consequences of getting the only one who they cant kill.

why would you try to sus me and back him up?

[Sabiplz]

Anyway going to be afk till a hour ish before eod because no mafia at work rule.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I will be at work tomorrow so there is a chance I will just be too busy to do anything at EOD. Lucy is my sheriff 100% I know it doesnt need saying but just in case some idiot tries to push an oracle I need to say it

[Dennis]

I think it's pretty funny how Rondo wants to kill one of his townreads because "nuh uh! nope! im not mafia!" if I read that right

You are indeed misreading it.

Falcon has no signs of re-evaluating and it will come to a head sooner or later so I may as well be preparing for it now.

Seanzie was tunneling me hard at the start of the game. But he backed off and thought about it and re-evaluated, then he decided he wanted me again and then got off me. Its a towny progression.

Falcon has been 100% on me without any signs of actual thought just get him get him get him. Its not good for thread health and come to lylo it will be a misvote that will lose us the game. So why wouldnt I want to get rid of him while we can? Town want to win, Falcon is as of now wrong town. But hey I dont know he is town I have just felt like he has been towny. He could just be a wolf wanting to get possibly the oracle over and go "my bad" when I flip or just accepting the consequences of getting the only one who they cant kill.

why would you try to sus me and back him up?

Oh I thought falcon was going off on Mac too and I was paying attention to that maybe I forgot who was talking

To answer your question, because I think it's weird you want to kill one of your townreads. I townread him too so obv I don't want him killed, I guess self preservation is a thing but it still just feels kinda funky. Almost like an "I'm better than you so you should die" mindset

Also why is specifically your death gonna cause us to lose? Or did you just mean any miselim will contribute to us losing

[Dennis]

Someone remind me to flashwagon Lucy at EoD to make Rondo angry

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think it's pretty funny how Rondo wants to kill one of his townreads because "nuh uh! nope! im not mafia!" if I read that right

You are indeed misreading it.

Falcon has no signs of re-evaluating and it will come to a head sooner or later so I may as well be preparing for it now.

Seanzie was tunneling me hard at the start of the game. But he backed off and thought about it and re-evaluated, then he decided he wanted me again and then got off me. Its a towny progression.

Falcon has been 100% on me without any signs of actual thought just get him get him get him. Its not good for thread health and come to lylo it will be a misvote that will lose us the game. So why wouldnt I want to get rid of him while we can? Town want to win, Falcon is as of now wrong town. But hey I dont know he is town I have just felt like he has been towny. He could just be a wolf wanting to get possibly the oracle over and go "my bad" when I flip or just accepting the consequences of getting the only one who they cant kill.

why would you try to sus me and back him up?

Oh I thought falcon was going off on Mac too and I was paying attention to that maybe I forgot who was talking

To answer your question, because I think it's weird you want to kill one of your townreads. I townread him too so obv I don't want him killed, I guess self preservation is a thing but it still just feels kinda funky. Almost like an "I'm better than you so you should die" mindset

Also why is specifically your death gonna cause us to lose? Or did you just mean any miselim will contribute to us losing

Because I will be making it to lylo and if falcon makes it to lylo too then he will try to push me and if he is town and I am town mafia have majority or at least a tie which is enough to win the game. It needs to be resolved sooner or later. Either Falcon needs to back down and re-eval or one of us dies before lylo and I know I dont want it to be me.

[Dennis]

This checks out, if we still assume you count as IC because you lied about being oracle (which I very much question why that decision was made but okay)

I do think you genuinely believe everyone thinks you're town because you CC'd so sure, you can be town. For now.

[Dennis]

I would love to stay and talk more but I have french in a few minutes and I like french class so I'm outta here

Au revoir mfs

[RondoDimBuckle]

This checks out, if we still assume you count as IC because you lied about being oracle (which I very much question why that decision was made but okay)

I do think you genuinely believe everyone thinks you're town because you CC'd so sure, you can be town. For now.

I have two claims to IC this game one of them is oracle

[Creature]

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

Honestly I think we need to kill Falcon, not because I think he is scum (though pushing me continually without re-eval is scummy) but because he will eventually vote for me and eventually he might get the numbers and we cant have that so hopefully we can get some wolves and a misex is available. Otherwise we are going to lose this game if falcon is town. Also removing my high town read on falcon he is down to just normal town lean because at this point its getting to be scummy agenda

Whole lotta justification here for OMGUS.

self preservation you have literally been on me for almost 3 days straight with 0 re-eval. Its not OMGUS

Maybe I've re-eval'd you, and still find you scummy.


But you're literally advocating for ML a player you have as a TR for "self-preservation"...what about the other "numbers" you speak of that I'd rally to get you lynched? Surely you have actual scum reads that you'd want to go before a TR of yours, no?


In what world do I rally numbers to get my suspects lynched? Can you please link a game where I rally players to get my SR's gone, baby gone?


Is it towny to try and self-pres by killing town? I mean, it's a good strat for wolves, 'natch.


Cuz it's not like you've even said I'm Maf, I'm still a town lean for you in your latest read

[falcon45ca]

I think it's pretty funny how Rondo wants to kill one of his townreads because "nuh uh! nope! im not mafia!" if I read that right

Is it towny to try and kill your town reads for self-pres? It's not like I can get him over by my lonesome, and who actually believes I have thread clout to get numbers on his wagon?

[Seanzie]

I feel like Dennis is more concerned with just hanging out in the thread and looking helpful and less concerned with hunting as he was in his first two games.

However, it still would be quite a good scum game for a first-time scum...

gotta follow my gut though and...

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Spoiler: show

You all expected me to vote Dennis, didn't you? Tricked ya! For now it is just tinfoil... but it is tinfoil I haven't been able to shake all game, and it has come and gone in waves, and the wave right now is cresting.

[Seanzie]

I feel like Dennis is more concerned with just hanging out in the thread and looking helpful and less concerned with hunting as he was in his first two games.

However, it still would be quite a good scum game for a first-time scum...

gotta follow my gut though and...

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Spoiler: show

You all expected me to vote Dennis, didn't you? Tricked ya! For now it is just tinfoil... but it is tinfoil I haven't been able to shake all game, and it has come and gone in waves, and the wave right now is cresting.

Seanzie using a post talking about Dennis to stealthily slide onto Roxy without explanation:

[Creature]

Roxy is pretty much wolf in antispew who threw a tantrum and left. idc about the rumors Roxy is a strong wolf or whatever. This is not how a town ever plays.

Jack is pretty much opportunistically capitalizing every garbage read (like Alison and me). Someone also mentioned he was heavily in wolf meta.

Sabiplz tbh should've had enough time to have catch up here. Her posts all feel half-arsed and all she got was a crappy push on me. I know town!Sabi to be more bubbly and active.

I'm gonna be pretty pissed if any of them endgame as wolves here.

[falcon45ca]

I feel like Dennis is more concerned with just hanging out in the thread and looking helpful and less concerned with hunting as he was in his first two games.

However, it still would be quite a good scum game for a first-time scum...

gotta follow my gut though and...

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Spoiler: show

You all expected me to vote Dennis, didn't you? Tricked ya! For now it is just tinfoil... but it is tinfoil I haven't been able to shake all game, and it has come and gone in waves, and the wave right now is cresting.

Why does your gut tell you Roxy? Are you able to articulate what's giving ya the heebie jeebies on their slot?

[Creature]

Yeah I still think falcon is town. I guess wolf!falcon tends to display more agenda.

[sig]

Why is sig selfvoting?

i think he either missclicked or he's representing an emotional reaction to my emojis but he doesn't wanna go as far as to fake being too upset coz it's not very characteristic of him (hence not saying anything) (ive never seen him upset neither in mafia nor on discord)

Nah I just needed to vote somewhere for like reasons so threw it on me for the time being it isn’t staying there

[Seanzie]

I feel like Dennis is more concerned with just hanging out in the thread and looking helpful and less concerned with hunting as he was in his first two games.

However, it still would be quite a good scum game for a first-time scum...

gotta follow my gut though and...

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Spoiler: show

You all expected me to vote Dennis, didn't you? Tricked ya! For now it is just tinfoil... but it is tinfoil I haven't been able to shake all game, and it has come and gone in waves, and the wave right now is cresting.

Why does your gut tell you Roxy? Are you able to articulate what's giving ya the heebie jeebies on their slot?

Oh, no. I see the confusion here. All of that was just words that were meant to lead you to think I was about to vote Dennis, before the BIG TWIST!

I'm voting Roxy less because I have any feelings about them and more because I think it is the right thing to do to move the game forward at this point.

[falcon45ca]

Someone talk to me about Sig, if you want. I can't make you

They were one of the sketchiest votes on Alison and I kinda thought his D1 entrance was forced. Also it feels like his wolfread on me was pure OMGUS and was implying I was pushing him for being known LHF (when he's clearly not being LHF this game).

Why was I the sketchiest vote? This narrative makes no sense .


Can’t comment on forced D1 it’s how I always come in I was joking it’s whatever.

I am/was LHF and used to be frequently misvoted, this is a very odd take. Plus my name keeps getting brought up meaning I’m still in the mix/LHF this game

Is Creature weaving a false narrative in your mind? What's your read on them?

[Seanzie]

Someone talk to me about Sig, if you want. I can't make you

They were one of the sketchiest votes on Alison and I kinda thought his D1 entrance was forced. Also it feels like his wolfread on me was pure OMGUS and was implying I was pushing him for being known LHF (when he's clearly not being LHF this game).

Why was I the sketchiest vote? This narrative makes no sense .


Can’t comment on forced D1 it’s how I always come in I was joking it’s whatever.

I am/was LHF and used to be frequently misvoted, this is a very odd take. Plus my name keeps getting brought up meaning I’m still in the mix/LHF this game

Is Creature weaving a false narrative in your mind? What's your read on them?

I couldn't tell you a single narrative, false or otherwise, that Creature is weaving. If you're specific about what narrative you want my opinion on, I'd be happy to take a look though.

Creature I think is not displaying some of the stiltedness I see in his wolf games, and while he isn't as paranoid as I expect town!Creature, I'd still give him a town lean.

[Seanzie]

Someone talk to me about Sig, if you want. I can't make you

They were one of the sketchiest votes on Alison and I kinda thought his D1 entrance was forced. Also it feels like his wolfread on me was pure OMGUS and was implying I was pushing him for being known LHF (when he's clearly not being LHF this game).

Why was I the sketchiest vote? This narrative makes no sense .


Can’t comment on forced D1 it’s how I always come in I was joking it’s whatever.

I am/was LHF and used to be frequently misvoted, this is a very odd take. Plus my name keeps getting brought up meaning I’m still in the mix/LHF this game

Is Creature weaving a false narrative in your mind? What's your read on them?

I couldn't tell you a single narrative, false or otherwise, that Creature is weaving. If you're specific about what narrative you want my opinion on, I'd be happy to take a look though.

Creature I think is not displaying some of the stiltedness I see in his wolf games, and while he isn't as paranoid as I expect town!Creature, I'd still give him a town lean.

Hmm... it appears this post wasn't to me. Maybe I should read better in the future.

[falcon45ca]

Someone talk to me about Sig, if you want. I can't make you

They were one of the sketchiest votes on Alison and I kinda thought his D1 entrance was forced. Also it feels like his wolfread on me was pure OMGUS and was implying I was pushing him for being known LHF (when he's clearly not being LHF this game).

Why was I the sketchiest vote? This narrative makes no sense .


Can’t comment on forced D1 it’s how I always come in I was joking it’s whatever.

I am/was LHF and used to be frequently misvoted, this is a very odd take. Plus my name keeps getting brought up meaning I’m still in the mix/LHF this game

Is Creature weaving a false narrative in your mind? What's your read on them?

I couldn't tell you a single narrative, false or otherwise, that Creature is weaving. If you're specific about what narrative you want my opinion on, I'd be happy to take a look though.

Creature I think is not displaying some of the stiltedness I see in his wolf games, and while he isn't as paranoid as I expect town!Creature, I'd still give him a town lean.

Hmm... it appears this post wasn't to me. Maybe I should read better in the future.

n

It's no biggie, my posts are for gen pop, all may comment & critique

[robyn]

jack is not greened

[sig]

Someone talk to me about Sig, if you want. I can't make you

They were one of the sketchiest votes on Alison and I kinda thought his D1 entrance was forced. Also it feels like his wolfread on me was pure OMGUS and was implying I was pushing him for being known LHF (when he's clearly not being LHF this game).

Why was I the sketchiest vote? This narrative makes no sense .


Can’t comment on forced D1 it’s how I always come in I was joking it’s whatever.

I am/was LHF and used to be frequently misvoted, this is a very odd take. Plus my name keeps getting brought up meaning I’m still in the mix/LHF this game

Is Creature weaving a false narrative in your mind? What's your read on them?

I’d throw creature down as a scum lean, there response to me have been off for most of the game (I guess this falls more into the gut read camp) and he seems to be more actively pushing wagons than civ creature does.

I’d be curious to see if this Roxy flip is current since he’s been pushing it, but if she flips civ he’d be someone I’m eyeing a lot more.

He’s also on my ISO list so I’ll have more infor here soon

[Sabiplz]

Roxy is pretty much wolf in antispew who threw a tantrum and left. idc about the rumors Roxy is a strong wolf or whatever. This is not how a town ever plays.

Jack is pretty much opportunistically capitalizing every garbage read (like Alison and me). Someone also mentioned he was heavily in wolf meta.

Sabiplz tbh should've had enough time to have catch up here. Her posts all feel half-arsed and all she got was a crappy push on me. I know town!Sabi to be more bubbly and active.

I'm gonna be pretty pissed if any of them endgame as wolves here.

Sir you were in a hydra with me where I explainee my new job is busy and that's why I'm on a mafia break. What kinda fucking sr is this when you know the truth.

[tutuu]

Roxy is pretty much wolf in antispew who threw a tantrum and left. idc about the rumors Roxy is a strong wolf or whatever. This is not how a town ever plays.

Jack is pretty much opportunistically capitalizing every garbage read (like Alison and me). Someone also mentioned he was heavily in wolf meta.

Sabiplz tbh should've had enough time to have catch up here. Her posts all feel half-arsed and all she got was a crappy push on me. I know town!Sabi to be more bubbly and active.

I'm gonna be pretty pissed if any of them endgame as wolves here.

Sir you were in a hydra with me where I explainee my new job is busy and that's why I'm on a mafia break. What kinda fucking sr is this when you know the truth.

Well he's mafia he trynna play the game so

[DrWilgy]

Good morning friends.

I'm no longer tilted, but I'm afraid I fell off the boat when I became so. All my reads now are lingering gut reads from d1. Someone toss me a lifeline or help me get my footing.

Re main two wagons:
Creature was on the early Kate Wagon. I remember something about Creature making me want to wolf read them and then the following push back for very silly reasons and then retracting.

General vibe is that this is wolf Creature.

Roxy idk. The Wagon is unlikely pure regardless of alignment. I'm just gonna say idk how to read Roxy. Felt they got me the entire time and there were no further actions I could take against the wolves before I considered the SVS Roxy team. During G-man's game, I died, noticed an akward post from unspoiled spec and realized they were a wolf then. I haven't had any of those 'tells' appear so far this game, but who knows, I think I'm just not good at the slot.

[DrWilgy]

Oh, and I'm still of the argument that Sabi/Kate is VERY unlikely wolf. I think Kate spewed town before the bodyswap happened.

Alison saw it too and I'm thinking that's one I shouldn't reconsider until we have more data.

[DrWilgy]

@Seanzie why is your game so much different than secret player list?

You'll have to elaborate on what exactly is different. I don't feel different, except for the obvious differences.

You feel more cautious in your takes.

You were very fire from the hip in secret player list, but in this game you've expressed fear on your read of me and your processes for other players seem to take more time. They are lengthier, thus at least to me, tells of a more cautionary approach to either reading or posting.

I do not fear reading you, I just know I don't know how to.

I do not feel the other things you're saying.

Aye, I don't know if fear was correct. Uncertainty builds fear, but they are not the same and uncertainty was more likely the word to describe it.

[DrWilgy]

what are worlds where bereft/wigly/seanzie/rondo are town

I'm like 90% sure not everyone calling me Wolf can be wolf, I look forward to them feeling silly when I flip.

to be clear. I think there are worlds where you could be town but at the moment Mac is slightly more town than you and has called you sus (afaik, I need to re-read again but I am at work atm)

Why does Mac have such a say so on my alignment? If you have re-read the slot has Mac shown the actual read/tells for me?

[DrWilgy]

Where's Wilgy? I feel like he's dipped this RD, and that's somewhat troubling


@DrWilgy Are you now, or have you ever been, a Doctor? Where ya's head at? I don't see you as my town core like I used to

No, I've just been committing fraud for the past few years of my life.

What dropped me out of town core? I needed to take a break from the game and such.

So back to my original postulation that there was a wolf in the early Kate wagon. Likely just [VOTE: creature] aubergine at this point. So I'll vote there before I try to catch up now. Will likely skim and ISO for a few hours this evening.

Not being around.


Refresh me in your Kate wagon theory?

So early on, there was the 4 man Kate wagon that just kinda blooped into place d1.

This consisted of Creature, tutuu, Baudib1, staypositivefriend. My theory was such "If Kate is not a wolf, it is very likely that a wolf planted a vote here for both an easy vote drop and a means to get engaged. The game is young enough that this would be a decent way to get momentum, and thus the wagon is likely unpure."

Based on early reads, the two most likely in this group were Baudib and Creature.

Now that the game has progressed, I could potentially think of SPF as the wolf on the boat, but I think it's far less likely than Creature.

[DrWilgy]

Simply put, it was a means for me to focus while exploring wagonomics early game.

I think it still has merit when I think about it.

[DrWilgy]

@Seanzie why is your game so much different than secret player list?

You'll have to elaborate on what exactly is different. I don't feel different, except for the obvious differences.

You feel more cautious in your takes.

You were very fire from the hip in secret player list, but in this game you've expressed fear on your read of me and your processes for other players seem to take more time. They are lengthier, thus at least to me, tells of a more cautionary approach to either reading or posting.

I do not fear reading you, I just know I don't know how to.

I do not feel the other things you're saying.

Hmm.....................

@DrWilgy is that it?

Aye for now that's it. I've lost track of the game too much to have anything other than gut reads.

Questioning you on the gut read I thought may help me figure out how I feel further, but ultimately nothing changed. I'll just need to re read the slot and assess if my read was correct eventually. I have very little interest in doing so today though.