First screw up on my part; I got my Day 1's mixed up. D & D was the BWT lynch, AP was the Blizzard lynch. My vote was at 2:21, the poll ended at 3:43. I was in & out that afternoon shovelling. Check my Facebook, facebook friends
I was not trying to save Vompatti; there were several people left to vote after me, and I brought the vote to 4/3, and MP had 2. Far from a save attempt. Personally, I would not be surprised if Vomp were to flip bad, but I was, and am,nowhere near convinced of it. He was more off topic than on when he was forced to become more on topic by defending himself.
Answered this twice today, answering it again.
I thought they were teammates; why else would defending be suspicious? AP had votes at that time, MM did not. If I think they both are bad, it makes more sense to vote for the one with votes. I was wrong (have you looked at my voting record in all games? I am wrong more often than not as a civ. I get my brilliance in flashes of intuition, and I have not gotten one yet this game; when i get that flash I am a dog with a bone. Here I was a Bozo instead. If I was bad, I would not have touched that bandwagon with a ten foot pole to get rid of a self voting low poster, lol, and anyone who has had BTS with me knows it).
thellama73 wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:Llama, I do think closer examining the AP voters is a good idea. However, even though you feel pretty strongly about Vompatti, what if he flips civilian? Where do you think that would lead your conclusions?
My suspicion of Vomps is not tied to suspicion of other players, so his alignment, whenever it is revealed, will not influence my other suspicions at all. I suppose if he flips bad, it will make AP voters look worse, but if he flips civ, I don't see how it changes anything.
I wills ay thta right now, SVS has rocketed onto my radar, for breaking the tied vote in favor of AP, and for using MM's behavior to justify her vote for someone who is not MM.
Ricochet wrote:Snipping and highlighting the relevant part in my own post, in order for feedback on this.
Ricochet wrote:
2. I know I just voted Llama for his case on Vomps, but I'm starting to consider looking more carefully at Vomps, given that he's not helpful in his defence so far, quite the opposite. I'd like to know what other people think: in previous games, has a Vompatti pretending to be bad turned out more to actually be bad or just a cheeky civ (or was it inconclusive)? I don't mean to say I can tell right now if he's just pretending or not. But I'd be really uncomfortable if he'd survived a few more days, playing this kind of game, and turn out to be bad.
Are You Being Served, from which FZ and LC have pulled quotes, is the most recent and blatant example.
Right. And I voted for someone who I obviously thought was MMs teammate. That would be the worlds stupidest vote otherwise, and i am not the worlds stupidest person, and neither are you (perhaps the rudest, but not the stupidest). I find it hard to believe you did not understand what I was saying when i said MM was defending too hard.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Llama, thanks.
I actually will echo a sentiment that you stated that S~V~S is on my radar now as well; when examining the reasoning that people voted BWT and AP, I found S~V~S's second most suspicious during BWT's lynch and most suspicious during AP's lynch. Even though she started the suspicion against BWT, I believe I counterargued her points rather well. In addition, the logical fallacy of incriminating AP based on MM defending him also struck me as suspicious.
However, I know how terrible I am at reading S~V~S, and I'm not sure I suspect her heavily at this point. But she is one of the few I am most watching and advocating for tomorrow's lynch, at the moment. I need to do more re-reading and analyzing, but off the top of my head, both of her D1 votes have struck me as possibly sketchy, but especially the second one.
So I'm not sure whether that helps or hurts your case, Llama, but it's my opinion nonetheless.
Can you elaborate (but not too much :P )? Or did you and I just did not get to it yet. You have played with me for years; tell me, is it my practice to make overtly suspicious votes in general, and especially in the case of low posters/participators like AP & BWT? Anyone who has played with me for years & years, is making stupid votes for zero gain something I do as a baddie?
thellama73 wrote:EBWOP: AP had THREE votes when SVS voted for him. My point still stands.
And so does mine. I thought they were teammates. THAT IS GLARINGLY OBVIOUS. Why would I try to put effort into lynchin one over the other when one already had votes?
Ricochet wrote:S~V~S is statistically the only person who voted for both lynches. I may look further into this, considering I've said I believe there has been more coordinating than reasoning in the lynches, so far.
Which is just exactly what that big scary FEB SVS would do.
I am about to hit the embed limit, plus I don;t want to make this too unwieldy. Will keep going.
Linki~ I think it depends on context, Dom. I am more asking my former BTS partners what they think. Do YOU think I would make really stupid baddie votes on two bandwagons in a row on low participators if I was a baddie?