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#1001

Whats giving me pause about Porscha is that sure, the default thinking is if shes a wolf, she shoots Lily over Scotty N3.

But what if she decides to gamble.

Maybe they didn't expect TSP to be cleared. If nobody is cleared, Porscha can surf this soft confirm to victory.

But they should have had expected a chance of a clear. The messages were there and heck, Scotty had the same plan as me, wasn't that hard to come.up with.

And theres Porscha trying to save Lily D2 which is so townlike tbh.

I'm scared, but also somewhat confident.

#1002

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 5:25 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:47 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 12:08 am I supposed there's the off chance DDL actually learned about the hood through the wolf role cop, which the matrix says should be itg, so Lily isn't dead not because she's pocketed but because wolves (in this scenario, DDL and Abi) didn't actually know she was the neighborizer until yesterday. And of course that argument also applies to me or you could just assume I'm bullshitting when I say "yeah I suspected Lily had hooded Porscha and that's why Porscha was so adamant about not yeeting Lily a few days back" but like come on, its pretty obvious in Porscha's iso.

If wolves knew Lily was the neighborizor prior to last night, Porscha just has to be a wolf.

If wolves knew last night, they maybe shoot Tony anyway. Tony was confirmed town. However, it would mean Lily alive helps more than Tony alive, which points to Porscha wolf anyway. Does DDL+Abi think TSP is a bigger threat than Lily? Dunno. Need to read yesterday.
no shot wolves knew before yesterday, it was the only day I softed anything in case lily died last night

I really didn't think I was THAT obvious

they probs just assumed one of us was neighborizer, copped us, found out one of us was whichever today with day start. taking the 50/50 blind shot on a suspected neighborhood is likely worse than just killing tsp who "confirmed himself" through messages imo. cuz if you shoot someone not in the neighborhood and miss on a vt you could have pushed or you miss and hit the vt in the neighborhood (me) then you're left with the pr (lily) who can't be pushed either. its always safer to kill tsp there
It started being obvious after N2. Though personally I wasn't sure of it.

Sorry, obvious after D2.

#1003

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 5:43 am Whats giving me pause about Porscha is that sure, the default thinking is if shes a wolf, she shoots Lily over Scotty N3.

But what if she decides to gamble.

Maybe they didn't expect TSP to be cleared. If nobody is cleared, Porscha can surf this soft confirm to victory.

But they should have had expected a chance of a clear. The messages were there and heck, Scotty had the same plan as me, wasn't that hard to come.up with.

And theres Porscha trying to save Lily D2 which is so townlike tbh.

I'm scared, but also somewhat confident.

The TSP thing is cuz if he or more ppl are cleared, Porscha goes down in the PoE and her soft confirm gets a bit too soft. While if nobody is confirmed, she is safer.

But eh all of this is a bunch of wifom.

#1004

Also if Porscha isn't mafia, shooting Lily early can make Porscha look bad (though I would be one to dispute it since again, it was obvious they were neighbors).

#1005

Im only speculating on Porscha cuz if shes clear, the game is solved to me and honestly I don't have huge reasons to trust or suspect the other two. Or the motivation/time to ISO them looking for those (and as I said in my debate with Scotty, chances are I'll run into confirmation biases).

#1006

Hey Lily maybe vote Abigail cuz if you do, next day we get a complete switch of the lylo scenario from my last game here, where I was the last wolf and won the game when Jack voted Porscha.

It will be fun.

(Assuming Porscha doesn't just vote me for revenge)

#1007

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 8:09 pm ALRIGHT GAMERS

I SHALL LEAD THIS LYLO

I AM THE 1 SHOT NEIGHBORIZER

I NEIGHBORIZED PORSCHA N1

WE ARE BOTH CLEARED BECAUSE IF SHE WAS A WOLF I WOULD BE DEAD. THIS MAY BE INSUFFICIENT BUT THAT'S OKAY YOU CAN AT LEAST CLEAR ME

I believe this

#1008

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

I think Jack is alive

Probably

#1009

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 5:54 am Hey Lily maybe vote Abigail cuz if you do, next day we get a complete switch of the lylo scenario from my last game here, where I was the last wolf and won the game when Jack voted Porscha.

It will be fun.

(Assuming Porscha doesn't just vote me for revenge)

If you think my wolf strategy is piss off the people in the game by refusing to follow their demands after switching in you have no idea how I play mafia

In fact if you think that's anyone's strategy than like GGs tbh please reeval how you read mafia

Wolfs don't play to maximize the hate they receive they play to survive

#1010

@DrWilgy is game over?

#1011

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:51 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 11:51 pm I feel like a big dumb idiot for thinking DDL is town rn but I do.
yeah maybe you should feel that way

lol thanks

#1012

Well, I mechanically have to

[VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

Which ya know, is probably the player I was never coming up with as the townie in Porscha/DDL/Abi anyway.

#1013

At least now the wolf in DDL/Porscha is motivated to either bus (yay wolf yeet) or out themselves by coming up with a reason I’m more sus than Abi even though they spent more time talking about Abi.

And it’s convenient I now get to ignore Abi because if that’s the townie, we already lost and I can just solve in Abi+X worlds and look like a dink on the off chance both DDL and Porscha are wolves.

#1014

And if we already lost, it’s not my fault. It’s everyone’s fault for bringing Abi to lylo.

#1015

But for now? We continue with month end close.

#1016

I'm only voting for whoever Lily votes for.

Baaaaaaaaah

#1017

Game hasn't ended yet.

And if Jack/Abi are both scum this is great. Thanks scum for the dual bussing!

But this makes me even more paranoid about Porscha.

#1018

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 8:23 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 5:54 am Hey Lily maybe vote Abigail cuz if you do, next day we get a complete switch of the lylo scenario from my last game here, where I was the last wolf and won the game when Jack voted Porscha.

It will be fun.

(Assuming Porscha doesn't just vote me for revenge)
If you think my wolf strategy is piss off the people in the game by refusing to follow their demands after switching in you have no idea how I play mafia

In fact if you think that's anyone's strategy than like GGs tbh please reeval how you read mafia

Wolfs don't play to maximize the hate they receive they play to survive

Girl. I don't care.

I have had my fair share of experiences with players who chose to arbitrarily ignore various aspects of the game. I argued enough with those to know it's futile. I don't get involved with this stuff anymore.

You do you. If we lose the game, you will know what you did to help your team and what you did not.

I only wanna find scum. And rn? You are not even my big suspect. I personally think Jack is worse. I made the post you are quoting as a joke, if it wasn't obvious.

#1019

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 10:33 am At least now the wolf in DDL/Porscha is motivated to either bus (yay wolf yeet) or out themselves by coming up with a reason I’m more sus than Abi even though they spent more time talking about Abi.

And it’s convenient I now get to ignore Abi because if that’s the townie, we already lost and I can just solve in Abi+X worlds and look like a dink on the off chance both DDL and Porscha are wolves.

You look worse cuz I have no particular reason to townread you even after a whole game. You have said a lot but nothing was impactful. Sig d1 had more of an impact than you did all game. And Abi has had none either, but I suppose it could be a risky play by mafia to do what shes doing. Your activity doesn't speak in your favor, it speaks against you because you haven't done much with it.

But honestly? 90% chance you are both wolves.

#1020

I've read everything

thonking

#1021

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 11:37 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 10:33 am At least now the wolf in DDL/Porscha is motivated to either bus (yay wolf yeet) or out themselves by coming up with a reason I’m more sus than Abi even though they spent more time talking about Abi.

And it’s convenient I now get to ignore Abi because if that’s the townie, we already lost and I can just solve in Abi+X worlds and look like a dink on the off chance both DDL and Porscha are wolves.
You look worse cuz I have no particular reason to townread you even after a whole game. You have said a lot but nothing was impactful. Sig d1 had more of an impact than you did all game. And Abi has had none either, but I suppose it could be a risky play by mafia to do what shes doing. Your activity doesn't speak in your favor, it speaks against you because you haven't done much with it.

But honestly? 90% chance you are both wolves.

Now that's just hurtful and objectively incorrect.

#1022

Sorry don't mean to hurt you.

But seriously. If I try to draw from my memory what your stances on things have been or what you have participated in all game, all I get is blank.

Maybe I should ISO you to double check but for now that's Lily's job lol. Save till I have to tinfoil you and Porscha, assuming you live today.

#1023

[VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

sorry if wrong, lack of trying into snap voting feels like agenda'd scum

her iso and sig's iso do not inspire anything in me

no reaction to game going on after she voted too :c

i feel like if she tried and is town I could find her but meh let's just get this over with

@Porscha
@Dragon D. Luffy

hammer if wolf ggs

#1024

[VOTE: Abigail] aubergine

YOLO

#1025

@DrWilgy hammer

#1026

locked

#1027

END OF D5

Abigail pondered what they'd make their Doctor, who is most definitely a hostage, say tonight. Some meme? Something about the bad hostage takers? Unfortunately, neither would happen, as Abigail was grabbed by an eight foot two frog man. The frog man then ran away and jumped into the sun with their victim.

Princess Abigail has been killed, they were Vanilla Town.

The frog man, alittle singed, returned from the sun and removed their costume and mask, revealing they were actually the two bad hostage takers all along!

@Porscha and @Jackofhearts2005 were the frog man and the mafia! they then proceed to eat the remaining players...

MAFIA WINS! and wilgy breaks out and finally sneaks away...

Porscha has won, they were Mafia Role Cop!

Jackofhearts2005 has won, they were Mafia Goon!

Good game, and a huge thanks to the mod @Epignosis, players, and subs!

Spoiler: show

Thread unlocked.

#1028

Meh.

Good game, wolves. And thanks for hosting, Wilgy!

#1029

Still goated

#1030

Told ya Sig was town.

#1031

Would have been nice to have a chance to talk things out after I got off work but whatever

#1032

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 3:56 pm Would have been nice to have a chance to talk things out after I got off work but whatever

Would also have been nice to talk things out the first few times we asked you to, but we can't have everything.

Either way, I voted you but the game was already over when I did, since Porscha would also have.

#1033

OM NOM NOM NOM

#1034

Great job, Porscha. I feel like you did a good 90% of the work to get us this win.

#1035

We need to create a Pocketing of the Year socky just to give to Porscha tbh.

#1036

Bruh.

#1037

Well played, wolves! You took out the people that you needed to, and pocketed the ones that you needed to!

All of us in spec chat just trying to will the living town to vote jack for the past few phases lolol

Porscha pocketing lily was a no win even if that happens I feel, however. So well done

#1038

As is tradition.

#1039

Why didnt I just vote Jack

I wanted to vote Jack

But I also wanted to build goodwill so people didn't vote me final 3,so I let the confirmed townie pick first.

See? Thats what happens when I play boy scout.

#1040

Though I'm not sure if I can bring myself to vote Porscha over Abigail in final 3.

#1041

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 6:14 pm Why didnt I just vote Jack

I wanted to vote Jack

But I also wanted to build goodwill so people didn't vote me final 3,so I let the confirmed townie pick first.

See? Thats what happens when I play boy scout.

It’s because of my avatar.

#1042

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:09 pm We need to create a Pocketing of the Year socky just to give to Porscha tbh.

haha thank you. you played a good game with your reads but I felt able to exploit things you said and did which was huge for me

#1043

Congrats for the winners!

Thanks for hosting DrW!

#1044

*to the winners

#1045

Jack is now 16-5 (.76) as mafia on The Syndicate.