Who farted??? [Day 5]

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: lc] aubergine

[Long Con]

Looking at that list, they all seem pretty straightforward. Scotty could be because of something he said, maybe I'll just go do a scan.

What's your read on me?



You usually try and solve me when you're Town...you seem quite content to just leave me be



Or am I craaaaaaaazy?

I mean, content by which I can read you only appeared since the Day started last night, and I was out last night, and worked today. So until I appeared in the thread, I was not "leaving you be", I just wasn't there yet. And I asked you something that you haven't answered, but that's whatever. I am not ignoring you or leaving you be. I'm reading your posts and deciding what I think about them.

Epignosis did a big post against me.

This might be the first time in the game you've spoken to me. I tried to interact with you.

I'm not the Wolf here.

[Long Con]

I think that Epi is the last Wolf.

[falcon45ca]

I think that Epi is the last Wolf.

I'm listening

[falcon45ca]

Looking at that list, they all seem pretty straightforward. Scotty could be because of something he said, maybe I'll just go do a scan.

What's your read on me?



You usually try and solve me when you're Town...you seem quite content to just leave me be



Or am I craaaaaaaazy?

I mean, content by which I can read you only appeared since the Day started last night, and I was out last night, and worked today. So until I appeared in the thread, I was not "leaving you be", I just wasn't there yet. And I asked you something that you haven't answered, but that's whatever. I am not ignoring you or leaving you be. I'm reading your posts and deciding what I think about them.

Epignosis did a big post against me.

This might be the first time in the game you've spoken to me. I tried to interact with you.

I'm not the Wolf here.

I've not read his case against you, and please what was your question I missed



I find you sus for my own reasons atm...in your own words, what is Epis's beef wif ya?

[Long Con]

I think that Epi is the last Wolf.

I'm listening

Town Epi builds cases based on real arguments. What he posted on me was full of shallow attempts at flashy takes that fell apart as soon as context is considered.

I don't know how I'm supposed to see it as anything but a desperate attempt to scrape together a convincing case on *someone* in a game that is lower in content.

[Long Con]

Looking at that list, they all seem pretty straightforward. Scotty could be because of something he said, maybe I'll just go do a scan.

What's your read on me?



You usually try and solve me when you're Town...you seem quite content to just leave me be



Or am I craaaaaaaazy?

I mean, content by which I can read you only appeared since the Day started last night, and I was out last night, and worked today. So until I appeared in the thread, I was not "leaving you be", I just wasn't there yet. And I asked you something that you haven't answered, but that's whatever. I am not ignoring you or leaving you be. I'm reading your posts and deciding what I think about them.

Epignosis did a big post against me.

This might be the first time in the game you've spoken to me. I tried to interact with you.

I'm not the Wolf here.

I've not read his case against you, and please what was your question I missed



I find you sus for my own reasons atm...in your own words, what is Epis's beef wif ya?

I kind of summed it up in my last post there. It's really much better if you read his post and then you read my response.

[falcon45ca]

Am I the only one bothered by Epi's seeming inability to let go of fart puns?




Or is that too tinfoil, cuz it's def been pinging me

[falcon45ca]

I don't know what to think anymore. After listening to Falcon...I'm leaning Epi. Not because Falcon has swayed me to believe Epi is Mafia, but by process of elimination from my own thoughts of players. Falcon seems genuine. Am I allowed to ask @falcon45ca what kept him from posting for so many days? I don't know what is and what isn't allowed in mafia anymore.

Please tell me what about this is at all convincing you falcon is genuine:

Oh, and re my read on Epi, it's best described as intuition based on a few factors...but in the end, do they matter?



We'll see if he's Red at End of Game I s'pose

You can replace "Epi" with any name and it reads the same.

And, Epi posted a meme saying he farted. I can see him doing that as a joke but also to see how much he can get away with as mafia.

That wasn't me farting. That was Patrick Stewart farting, which is infinitely funnier.

May I ask what happened from your bolded posts here...

[Long Con]

Am I the only one bothered by Epi's seeming inability to let go of fart puns?




Or is that too tinfoil, cuz it's def been pinging me

That, at least, doesn't seem unusual. Guys like him and G-Man love that kind of stuff. I'm usually behind on it, like I'll forget until someone else makes a funny pun, and then I'm like "damn, I have to try and think of one now!" with varying results.

[falcon45ca]

I am inclined to believe that falcon is not mafia.

The jump into this phase voting me of all people is... a hot take.

The kills after Night 1 I do not believe were random.

Additionally, I think a mafia falcon could vote Eloh since I've been hounding her most of the game and get away with it. I feel as though falcon is just doing the bare minimum and has his "whatever" hat on.

If falcon wins and is mafia, I would join Scotty and be very disappointed in that outcome.

To this?



What's the time stamp on these posts I wonder

[falcon45ca]

Approx 60 mins...OK, I can see that time as reasonable to reevaluate a read...




I do feel the solve is in Epi/LC tho

[falcon45ca]

Am I the only one bothered by Epi's seeming inability to let go of fart puns?




Or is that too tinfoil, cuz it's def been pinging me

That, at least, doesn't seem unusual. Guys like him and G-Man love that kind of stuff. I'm usually behind on it, like I'll forget until someone else makes a funny pun, and then I'm like "damn, I have to try and think of one now!" with varying results.

Noted, I'll take it off my ping list

[Elohcin]

I do feel the solve is in Epi/LC tho

I'm inclined to agree. Yesterday, after pretty much clearing you I thought...."gosh...It's got to be LC!" But this was not because of anything he did/said, but becasue I have just had Epi pinned as civ all game. And I asked Epi who he thought was the last mafia. It took him a long while to get back to me, but I know he was working so it didn't bother me. And he came in with all these amazing points for LC being mafia. I was like, heck yeah...my POE has to be right! THEN, I read LC's response to Epi and he blows every single point UP! Now I'm thinking...."gosh...it's got to be Epi!" And this whole time I had him as civ in my head.

@Long Con You defended yourself well and I believe you. I think Epi is our last mafia.

[falcon45ca]

Sonofabitch

[Long Con]

Sonofabitch

Wazzup?

[Elohcin]

Sonofabitch

Don't leave us hangin.

[falcon45ca]

I find myself able to vote all 3 of you and not lose any sleep




I'd be shocked if you didn't feel the same about me




@Elohcin While I don't find you suuuuper scummy, I do find your about-face on my slot a bit convenient, or am I just being a paranoid android

[Elohcin]

I know I'm a bit paranoid...so maybe you are too. There's a real fear that whoever I decide I think is mafia turns out civ.

But with everything that's come to light today and all the discussions that we've all had it seems less likely that you are the last mafia.

I can believe that the kills were probably not randomized (however Epi is my lead suspect atm and he is the one that convinced me of this point).

So...there is always some piece of information holding me back from going full-on with a specific player as the last mafia.

[Elohcin]

I have a question for LC. If Epi is mafia, why would he be the one to suggest *vote sleep*? I still don't totally understand the vote sleep option, but form what he was saying, it seems like its an in-favor-of-the-civs type of thing at this point. And everyone did it...so I did too.

[Long Con]

I have a question for LC. If Epi is mafia, why would he be the one to suggest *vote sleep*? I still don't totally understand the vote sleep option, but form what he was saying, it seems like its an in-favor-of-the-civs type of thing at this point. And everyone did it...so I did too.

It's a standard strategy for the situation, one we've used before a number of times. If Epi is Mafia, then all he's doing is making sure he's the first to say it, for Town points.

[Epignosis]

If.

[Epignosis]

Why is it a point AGAINST me, but not against you? How is it even a point against me?

I'm not in the habit of making points against myself.

[Epignosis]

There's not a single honest accusation in your entire post, and I know for a fact that you know better than to make these fundamentally weak accusations.

I see.

I'm either dishonest or your knowledge of me is deficient.

[Epignosis]

I think that Epi is the last Wolf.

You think wrongly.

[Epignosis]

I think that Epi is the last Wolf.

I'm listening

Town Epi builds cases based on real arguments. What he posted on me was full of shallow attempts at flashy takes that fell apart as soon as context is considered.

I don't know how I'm supposed to see it as anything but a desperate attempt to scrape together a convincing case on *someone* in a game that is lower in content.

Desperate?

I have tied Eloh up twice now (not in that way; it's not our thing), and both tries against her were unsuccessful. Mafia me needs one more lynch to go my way. Is your perspective that in this scenario I would jab you with a stick to get you to come after me?

Nah.

Lazy ass half glances make me rule out Roxy and Scotty today.

(Sorry LC, you never get ruled out)

That's ok, brother. I get it.

Not sure you do.

[Epignosis]

I don't know what to think anymore. After listening to Falcon...I'm leaning Epi. Not because Falcon has swayed me to believe Epi is Mafia, but by process of elimination from my own thoughts of players. Falcon seems genuine. Am I allowed to ask @falcon45ca what kept him from posting for so many days? I don't know what is and what isn't allowed in mafia anymore.

Please tell me what about this is at all convincing you falcon is genuine:

Oh, and re my read on Epi, it's best described as intuition based on a few factors...but in the end, do they matter?



We'll see if he's Red at End of Game I s'pose

You can replace "Epi" with any name and it reads the same.

And, Epi posted a meme saying he farted. I can see him doing that as a joke but also to see how much he can get away with as mafia.

That wasn't me farting. That was Patrick Stewart farting, which is infinitely funnier.

May I ask what happened from your bolded posts here...

I'm not sure precisely what you are asking. I'm using today to sort out who is offending my sensitive nasal passages.

[Long Con]

There's not a single honest accusation in your entire post, and I know for a fact that you know better than to make these fundamentally weak accusations.

I see.

I'm either dishonest or your knowledge of me is deficient.

I find it quite telling that those are the two possibilities you bring up.

[Epignosis]

There's not a single honest accusation in your entire post, and I know for a fact that you know better than to make these fundamentally weak accusations.

I see.

I'm either dishonest or your knowledge of me is deficient.

I find it quite telling that those are the two possibilities you bring up.

I brought up?

Blue is dishonest. Red is you don't know me. Don't see a third.

[Long Con]

Is your perspective that in this scenario I would jab you with a stick to get you to come after me?

Is that what you were doing?

I thought you were making a case against me in order to convince falcon and Eloh that I'm Mafia. You were jabbing me with a stick??

To get me... to come after you.

Again, you are revealing a perspective here that isn't how a Civilian thinks. What you aren't saying is speaking volumes.

[Long Con]

There's not a single honest accusation in your entire post, and I know for a fact that you know better than to make these fundamentally weak accusations.

I see.

I'm either dishonest or your knowledge of me is deficient.

I find it quite telling that those are the two possibilities you bring up.

I brought up?

Blue is dishonest. Red is you don't know me. Don't see a third.

Well, I would have thought that a third perspective you might conjure up is that *I* am being dishonest.

Like I said, the fact that this perspective isn't on your mind is extremely telling.

[Epignosis]

Oh, sorry- I didn't read far enough to see this was a two part deal.

Spoiler: show

I don't know what to think anymore. After listening to Falcon...I'm leaning Epi. Not because Falcon has swayed me to believe Epi is Mafia, but by process of elimination from my own thoughts of players. Falcon seems genuine. Am I allowed to ask @falcon45ca what kept him from posting for so many days? I don't know what is and what isn't allowed in mafia anymore.

Please tell me what about this is at all convincing you falcon is genuine:

Oh, and re my read on Epi, it's best described as intuition based on a few factors...but in the end, do they matter?



We'll see if he's Red at End of Game I s'pose

You can replace "Epi" with any name and it reads the same.

And, Epi posted a meme saying he farted. I can see him doing that as a joke but also to see how much he can get away with as mafia.

That wasn't me farting. That was Patrick Stewart farting, which is infinitely funnier.

May I ask what happened from your bolded posts here...

I am inclined to believe that falcon is not mafia.

The jump into this phase voting me of all people is... a hot take.

The kills after Night 1 I do not believe were random.

Additionally, I think a mafia falcon could vote Eloh since I've been hounding her most of the game and get away with it. I feel as though falcon is just doing the bare minimum and has his "whatever" hat on.

If falcon wins and is mafia, I would join Scotty and be very disappointed in that outcome.

To this?



What's the time stamp on these posts I wonder

Answer is the same. Using the free Day phase to consider every angle.

[Epignosis]

There's not a single honest accusation in your entire post, and I know for a fact that you know better than to make these fundamentally weak accusations.

I see.

I'm either dishonest or your knowledge of me is deficient.

I find it quite telling that those are the two possibilities you bring up.

I brought up?

Blue is dishonest. Red is you don't know me. Don't see a third.

Well, I would have thought that a third perspective you might conjure up is that *I* am being dishonest.

Like I said, the fact that this perspective isn't on your mind is extremely telling.

I'm rephrasing what you said from the perspective that you are a civilian: If you are a civilian (as I am), am I being dishonest or is your knowledge of me deficient?

My accusation of you itself implies that you could be being dishonest.

Didn't think I needed to spell this out.

[Long Con]

Ok. It's two perspective slips that I identified though.

[Long Con]

If you want to see from my perspective: if you were me, wouldn't you be suspicious of the things I just pointed out?

[Epignosis]

I do feel the solve is in Epi/LC tho

I'm inclined to agree. Yesterday, after pretty much clearing you I thought...."gosh...It's got to be LC!" But this was not because of anything he did/said, but becasue I have just had Epi pinned as civ all game. And I asked Epi who he thought was the last mafia. It took him a long while to get back to me, but I know he was working so it didn't bother me. And he came in with all these amazing points for LC being mafia. I was like, heck yeah...my POE has to be right! THEN, I read LC's response to Epi and he blows every single point UP! Now I'm thinking...."gosh...it's got to be Epi!" And this whole time I had him as civ in my head.

@Long Con You defended yourself well and I believe you. I think Epi is our last mafia.

Every once in a while I get to play a certain game. It's been a minute since I've had to, so I guess I'm due.

I'll play it a little later on this evening.

[Epignosis]

I can believe that the kills were probably not randomized (however Epi is my lead suspect atm and he is the one that convinced me of this point).

[Long Con]

I do feel the solve is in Epi/LC tho

I'm inclined to agree. Yesterday, after pretty much clearing you I thought...."gosh...It's got to be LC!" But this was not because of anything he did/said, but becasue I have just had Epi pinned as civ all game. And I asked Epi who he thought was the last mafia. It took him a long while to get back to me, but I know he was working so it didn't bother me. And he came in with all these amazing points for LC being mafia. I was like, heck yeah...my POE has to be right! THEN, I read LC's response to Epi and he blows every single point UP! Now I'm thinking...."gosh...it's got to be Epi!" And this whole time I had him as civ in my head.

@Long Con You defended yourself well and I believe you. I think Epi is our last mafia.

Every once in a while I get to play a certain game. It's been a minute since I've had to, so I guess I'm due.

I'll play it a little later on this evening.

Is it Russian Roulette?

I'm 17, working in the kitchen of a pub on New Years Eve. The owner is Italian, and his niece was here from Italy. Early twenties, really good-looking, and about 80% of the way there in learning English, heavy accent, disarmingly cute.

She comes back where I'm alone cleaning up the kitchen and says "You want to do - ah, Russian Roulette?" I'm like, "Eh?" And she smiles and beckons, "Ya, Russian Roulette, come!"

It was really weird to go with her but I was 17 and she was hot. We went out to the bar where they were pouring up some flaming Sambuca concoction called a Russian Roulette.

[Epignosis]

I have a question for LC. If Epi is mafia, why would he be the one to suggest *vote sleep*? I still don't totally understand the vote sleep option, but form what he was saying, it seems like its an in-favor-of-the-civs type of thing at this point. And everyone did it...so I did too.

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 3#p1131753

I attempted to explain this earlier, but I'll give it another shot.

Suppose you are a civilian.

Epignosis
falcon45ca
Long Con

You have to vote out which one of these handsome devils has been leaving skid marks on your bed sheets (fucking better not be facon45ca or Long Con).

If you're wrong, you lose. That's because 3v1 becomes 2v1. Then a Night kill makes it 1v1. That's parity. Mafia wins.

But God gave us Sleep!

No lynch. 3v1 stays 3v1. Then a Night kill makes it 2v1. Civilians are still in it, baby.

Epi got capped.

Now you have to pick from these:

falcon45ca
Long Con

Sleep in this very specific and rare scenario reduces the civilian chances of catching an early L. It isn't a "strategy;" it's optimal play in a vanilla game with a 3v1 situation.

[falcon45ca]

I can believe that the kills were probably not randomized (however Epi is my lead suspect atm and he is the one that convinced me of this point).

[Epignosis]

I do feel the solve is in Epi/LC tho

I'm inclined to agree. Yesterday, after pretty much clearing you I thought...."gosh...It's got to be LC!" But this was not because of anything he did/said, but becasue I have just had Epi pinned as civ all game. And I asked Epi who he thought was the last mafia. It took him a long while to get back to me, but I know he was working so it didn't bother me. And he came in with all these amazing points for LC being mafia. I was like, heck yeah...my POE has to be right! THEN, I read LC's response to Epi and he blows every single point UP! Now I'm thinking...."gosh...it's got to be Epi!" And this whole time I had him as civ in my head.

@Long Con You defended yourself well and I believe you. I think Epi is our last mafia.

Every once in a while I get to play a certain game. It's been a minute since I've had to, so I guess I'm due.

I'll play it a little later on this evening.

Time for another round of "Here is All the Shit you HAVE TO BELIEVE if you Believe Epignosis is Mafia"

You have to simultaneously believe all of these things:

1. I threw sprityo under the bus (and farted in his face) Day 1.

I have always held that bussing is a counterproductive tactic. While it occasionally works, and while I have dipped my toe into those waters from time to time, it's very unwise if you've only got one partner. I do not believe I have ever had the pleasure of being mafia with sprityo, and my Day 1 would not look the same if we were partners. Anyone who has been mafia with me knows I like to keep us all alive as long as possible when feasible. I particularly preach "Survive Day 1."

2. I killed S~V~S Night 1.

Not my thing. I will murder S~V~S, but I get more satisfaction out of fooling her. Night 1 kill? Nah.

3. I killed Roxy Night 2.

I would murder her in a vacuum, but Roxy missed the Day 2 vote. If I'm mafia, I want to keep distracted persons around, especially if I'm by myself.

4. I killed Scotty Night 3.

I would totally murder Scotty Night 3. You get this one for free.

5. Eloh survived back-to-back ties led by me, and I abandoned that to poke Long Con with a fart-smelling stick.

One lynch would seal it for me. Instead of sticking with my pet suspect, I pivot to the person with the second most posts?

No.

More than that, I wanted to use this free Day phase to visit other avenues. I basically got a massive, classic NO U out of LC. I found it ironic that he called me desperate. The good news is that I don't have to process this today. I could be dead by Day 5. LC could be dead Day 5. That is the beauty of Sleep.

6. I was the first person to get everybody to vote Sleep.

Town points.

[Epignosis]

I encourage everyone else to play the game. It's more fun that way!

[Epignosis]

Come on gang. Less than an hour to go.

What horse shit do I have to believe all at once to believe you are mafia?

[Long Con]

Well, I was the second voter for sprityo, which put him up to two votes and tied for the lead. Your vote was fourth, and attached itself to a train that was already going.

I would never have killed any of those nightkills. I would have taken out Epignosis first, probably Mac next, and maybe hit S~V~S on Day 3 depending.

When Scotty and Mac had their votes stagnating on absent falcon, I noted that he hadn't been in the thread for days, and that he would have had to send in nightkills and intentionally avoided the thread entirely. They both switched soon after, so I guess they thought it was a good point. If I'm bad then I let falcon die every time. I could have hopped on that wagon as the third vote and probably sealed the deal right there if I were a Wolf.

[Epignosis]

Well, I was the second voter for sprityo, which put him up to two votes and tied for the lead. Your vote was fourth, and attached itself to a train that was already going.

I would never have killed any of those nightkills. I would have taken out Epignosis first, probably Mac next, and maybe hit S~V~S on Day 3 depending.

When Scotty and Mac had their votes stagnating on absent falcon, I noted that he hadn't been in the thread for days, and that he would have had to send in nightkills and intentionally avoided the thread entirely. They both switched soon after, so I guess they thought it was a good point. If I'm bad then I let falcon die every time. I could have hopped on that wagon as the third vote and probably sealed the deal right there if I were a Wolf.

Only problem with the underlined is that if you are mafia, it is a civilian getting killed anyway (and I would argue that a participating civilian is better dead to mafia than a non-participating civilian).

In any event, am I correct in gleaning from this that your current position is that falcon is civilian?

[Epignosis]

What I'm gathering so far is that Eloh suspects me, doesn't suspect LC.

LC doesn't suspect falcon.

falcon would vote out Jesus if he was here.

[Long Con]

Yeah, you gave that same perspective about the killing of Roxy. That she was participating less and that mafia would keep that kind of player around intentionally. That's not really how I think when I'm mafia. I prefer to try to do kills that will point to someone else.

[Long Con]

Falcon could be the last mafia but I don't know if I believe he was sending in night kills while absent.

[Epignosis]

Yeah, you gave that same perspective about the killing of Roxy. That she was participating less and that mafia would keep that kind of player around intentionally. That's not really how I think when I'm mafia. I prefer to try to do kills that will point to someone else.

Got you. Yeah, that's fair.

[Epignosis]

The good news for me is that if I'm still alive Day 5, it will no longer be the weekend, which means I'll be able to scrutinize the other two people to my heart's contentment.

Also, please kill me.