Death Note Mafia [END]

[Zombarella]

Since Yotsuba are so much more interesting than Snowman....

Is there any way that LC was a target because Kira knew his name, not because he was a particularly strategic target?

[Boomslang]

Why are you spending so much time looking for Yotsubas, Boomslang?

I'm not so much interested in Yotsuba for their own sake as I am in their usefulness to determining Epig's reasoning. I'm trying to figure out if his calling out of Long Con and Juliets was legitimate or diversionary, because both of those players have gone after him pretty hard.

Booms, I don't think I have gone after Epi at all. Are you maybe thinking of someone else?

This is what I was interpreting as "going after," which was maybe too strong a choice of words, but there was definitely something I saw as criticism:

Channeling my inner Epi he sometimes says things - like he thinks Russ is bad and will vote for him - just to see what reaction he gets, never intending to do what he says.

followed by

On Epi, he absolutely does throw things out to see what kind of reaction he gets. Whether thats what he was doing with the Russ stuff i don't know. It makes no sense to me why he didn't vote Russ unless it was something like that.

But maybe I was primed to see that based on Epi's words... this is messing with my head.

Why are you spending so much time looking for Yotsubas, Boomslang?

I'm not so much interested in Yotsuba for their own sake as I am in their usefulness to determining Epig's reasoning. I'm trying to figure out if his calling out of Long Con and Juliets was legitimate or diversionary, because both of those players have gone after him pretty hard.

Diversionary how?

Diversionary in the sense of putting other people under examination. The question now isn't just "What is Epig?" but also "What are Juliets and LC?"

[Zombarella]

I know Epi has gone to bed, but how did he go from this.

That won't happen Boomslang. I have three other people pegged as Yotsuba. I will not talk about them.

To this?

That won't happen Boomslang. I have three other people pegged as Yotsuba. I will not talk about them.

I completely understand you not wanting to reveal all your cards, especially when indicating people who might eventually get a kill. The claim that you've got three other Yotsuba suspects is at least interesting new intel. I don't expect you to name names, but can you say if you suspect them for the same reasons as you suspected LC? Would give us something to look for in possible rereads.

I firmly believe juliets is Yotsuba.

She'll deny it, and I refuse to give my reasoning, but I think I'm right.

This is a HUGE guess, but what if Epi is signalling the Yotsuba to Kira for some reason. Didn't someone say that canon has the Yotsuba killing each other? Maybe the secret win condition?

[Turnip Head]

Since Yotsuba are so much more interesting than Snowman....

Is there any way that LC was a target because Kira knew his name, not because he was a particularly strategic target?

Yes Zomberella, I think it's certainly possible that that was the case.

Just like I think it's possible that Epi is Kira, figured out LC's role, and killed him regardless of his role.

linki: Maybe Z'ella. Maybe...

[Marmot]

Since Yotsuba are so much more interesting than Snowman....

Is there any way that LC was a target because Kira knew his name, not because he was a particularly strategic target?

I doubt names have anything to do with it, otherwise players like Near wouldn't have to be unkillable for a certain period of time.

I think LC was targeted because he is a mighty good player and hadn't drawn much suspicion this game thus far.

[Turnip Head]

Boomslang, I think you are wasting your time looking for Yotsuba connections. We should be looking into Epi first, and THEN the people he namedropped, right?

[Marmot]

Boomslang, I think you are wasting your time looking for Yotsuba connections. We should be looking into Epi first, and THEN the people he namedropped, right?

But you think that Epi is a Yotsuba.

[Turnip Head]

No, I think Epi is Kira.

[Turnip Head]

Why did you vote for Epi, Marsh?

[Marmot]

Not what you said 2.5 hours ago.

Yep, I definitely believe Epi views LC as a threat. But also because Epi called LC out as Yotsuba right before his death, for seemingly no reason. I think Kira might need to know something about his victim's roles, and Epi spouting out that LC was Yotsuba might have been intended to throw us off the scent. Because we all thought Epi was Yotsuba so why would he kill LC?

[Turnip Head]

I meant that Epi was heavily implying he was Yotsuba, even as he called LC out as being Yotsuba.

That doesn't seem like a very Yotsuba thing to do.

[Turnip Head]

Why did you vote for Epi, Marsh?

[Marmot]

Why did you vote for Epi, Marsh?

Because he feels bad to me.

Linki: let me post.

[Turnip Head]

Oh I see.

[Marmot]

I've addressed a lot of his points over the past couple days. I don't feel like collaborating them all now, but I may feel like it tomorrow.

[Turnip Head]

Tomorrow sounds like it should be fun.

[Marmot]

Tomorrow sounds like it should be fun.

Today has been fun too.

But I look forward to tomorrow. I think.

[Turnip Head]

(This whole game has been a ton of fun so far )

[Marmot]

That's crazy how we're already close to passing Monopoly Mafia in terms of post count.

[juliets]

Oh I see Boomslang what you are talking about. I didn't think of that as going at him.

Also, just a shout out to boo for being hilarious.

[Turnip Head]

Tomorrow I will post my updated pointless rankings.

[Zombarella]

Tomorrow I will post my updated pointless rankings.

That's going to be my favorite day.

[Spacedaisy]

I am catching up on the eight pages you all did while I was spending time with family today and I realized im going to have to write this post as I go so here we go... Sorry if I am channeling MP this evening...

Zombrella vs. Snowman: I can understand the suspicion on snowman for not answering accusations with enough seriousness, but I guess I did not find him suspicious for that because what little I know of him in person both he and Zobrella struck me as light hearted people, a lot of fun. His responses seemed in character to me for someone who was approaching it like a light game, possibly not realizing how it would be taken. Zombrella's sudden excitement about her sudden suspicion of him is very in character for what I've seen of her. I know he has pulled the wool over her eyes in games of deception so when she goes after him for believing he is bad she is going to do it with excitement because that seems to be her personality to me. That said, I think she is going to be more paranoid about him than anyone else in the game, but she may also be able to read him better than anyone else in the game. And frankly his answer seemed fairly non-committal. He didn't want to hitch his wagon to her defense, he as playing it pretty cool. Yeah he defended her against that one suspicion but he wants to see her defend against something real before he decides on her guilt. Totally distancing himself from a Zombrella lynch result I think. Probably because even baddies don't know what someone will flip in this game I think... I started out this paragraph thinking I didn't suspect Snowman but now I think that considering it as I typed I have changed my mind and would think about a vote for him.

Another example of really bad Zeek logic:

If I said shit like that in a game I'd be called out for it, so I've done the same.

Does anyone think this is a good reason to call someone out on something? This doesn't seem like a genuine thought process in the slightest. Just because you think someone would find you suspicious for something doesn't mean you automatically have to find another player suspicious for that same thing...

One other thing I would add to this discussion of our old pal zeek is that he replaced Roxy rather quickly, and it is my belief that baddies get replaced more quickly than civvies, although this game may be an exception due to the relative lack of baddie BTSC.

I know for a fact MP is very proactive and he has replacements waiting in the wings. Rox knows when she is in over her head and I don't find it too suspicious that she replaced out quickly and he filled the role quickly. Plus MP is very attached to many roles in this game, civ and bad alike, so I doubt he would be in more of a rush to fill a bad one than a civ one. I think this logic is flawed Llama.

I haven't voiced my opinion on Yotsuba yet, so I may as well do it now.

I 100% agree with Epi that we should not make them our targets and try to lynch them. That does not bring the detectives closer to their goal.
But I also don't think a Yotsuba lynch is as bad as a detective lynch, since it does not advance the Kira win condition either. It does lose us time in which we can be NKed though.

I have typed this damn post three times now and my creaking iPad has eaten it three times. It is ticking me off. One more try...

I agree with Epi as well. He is not advocating trusting the Yatzy, as far as I can see, he is only saying we should focus on the people we KNOW we have to kill to win. If/when we find we have to kill the Yatzy later, let's cross that bridge when we come to it. Why make our win condition more difficult than it has to be, focus on killing Kiras. The longer we argue about the Yatzy group the more time we give the kiras to achieve their own goals. Why is everyone jumping his case about this? Epi has made more sense to me in this game than ever before.

I thought we were all in agreement about Yotsuba. We need one of them dead and don't care what happens to the rest.

But Epi is trying to make it sound like lynching someone for being suspected Yotsuba is wrong, and I don't agree with him there. We need one Yotsuba role dead, because Higuchi is Kira, and if we somehow come to the conclusion that a player is Yotsuba, unless we can also somehow rule them out of being Higuchi, then we still must lynch them.

Ok, I can see this point. If you are looking Higuchi and you think someone is Yatzy then maybe you consider a vote their way in order to hopefully catch Higuchi. This is the only point in this argument on the other side that has made any sense to me and I am ok with.

I thought we were all in agreement about Yotsuba. We need one of them dead and don't care what happens to the rest.

But Epi is trying to make it sound like lynching someone for being suspected Yotsuba is wrong, and I don't agree with him there. We need one Yotsuba role dead, because Higuchi is Kira, and if we somehow come to the conclusion that a player is Yotsuba, unless we can also somehow rule them out of being Higuchi, then we still must lynch them.

But Higuchi is unlynchable until he gains the DN, so lynching players we believe are Yotsuba but can't rule out as Higuchi doesn't truly serve the purpose you mention. If it lands on Higuchi, then the lynch is wasted.

Until I read this, lol. However, just going off the series (which I watched with MP just before the game started because he was really wanting me to watch it, I doubt we will know who is killing. L was able to extrapolate that information from the victims in the show, but for all intents and purposes it appeared to everyone outside the task force that it was one killer.we might not know when Higuchi has started killing, so it is hard to say when we should start looking for him. Damn it, I think my opinion changed halfway through this post again!

Without pulling posts, I had the impression that S~V~S and boo were Raye and Naomi. I no longer have that impression.

I will admit that my suspicion of S~V~S was reactionary- S~V~S would not vote for boo without a "smoking gun," but she would vote for me on a whim. While that annoys me, it shouldn't cloud my judgment. I find S~V~S to be awfully inconsistent in practice across the board. I believe that is one source of contention between S~V~S and me, or for that matter, S~V~S and thellama73. She's a "gutter," not a "caser." I can accept that, even if I disagree with her approach and even if I am the victim of that approach.

Obviously, I suspect her for ballooning the detective win condition into basically needing everyone dead to win. But I know she gets paranoid. Drive me insane, but I'm sure I have the same effect.

I think what you all need to start asking yourself is this: What would Kira do without the support of a team? Essentially, we're up against a handful of Serial Killers, one of which has a partner, and some of which that do not even have a kill.

What I mean is this: Rather than go on and on about how someone acted in this game or that game, explore how a person might act by having a vanilla Mafia role (i.e., no BTSC or kill). That person would just be looking to survive until the point when he DOES get the kill, right?

I would advise you all to do your rereads with that in mind.

Why would you say the underlined? My gut reaction to this is you we're trying to communicate to someone you don't have BTSC with. I don't like this one bit to be frank. Until this post I did not think you were Kira at all, but this post makes me wonder if you are not an inactive Kira.

I am really torn right now. Up to know Epi has made sense to me. And his current frustration reads sincere. But that post is really sketchy to me. If you no longer believe it to be true why even bring it up in the first place? It seems like a really good way to paint a target on someone you think needs taken out and yet distance yourself from it at the same time!

And I am feeling more open to the snowman case as well because I find his evaluation of Zombrella to be too non-committal. and she has been playing board game versions of mafia-esque games with him for a very long time, so her evaluation of him carries more weight. If she was bad and he just gave her a defense, she would want to keep him around because his opinion of her should carry more weight. I've done that with MP before, kept him around for the cred. Only to find out later he knew I was bad and set me up. Son of a...

Ok I'm going to go read the new role secrets everyone is talking about.

[FZ.]

This is one messed up game

If I understand, it's not that there was no kill, but rather, that the kill happened earlier in the night, right? So we're still dealing with one Kira with an DN.


My thoughts on Epi:

On the one hand, he seems frustrated as I was when people were going after me in the beginning of the game. The kind of frustrations that sometimes makes me feel: screw them. The idiots want to lynch me, I hope they lose, and I'm not going to help them. He only has two votes, but more people have called him suspicious, so I get the frustration.

Also, I can think of a way where Epig would get information and why he would be so annoyed by only two votes. Based on how he said in one post, we should look for Kiras, knowing something like this about Juliets, makes sense if I'm right.

I don't know if this made any sense to people, but I think I'm starting to feel a lot better about Epi.


I'll be back later for some more thoughts. Gotta go

[FZ.]

I do acknowledge that what I'm thinking can also be baddie Epi.

Epi, why did you feel the need to share that information regarding Julliets? Actually, I guess what I thought is wrong, because then it would be infodumping, wouldn't it. Hmm.

[zeek]

I've never played in a game in which votes are not changeable, so is it normal for such early votes?

There are a few people I need to look at closer and hopefully form some opinions about. I don't have a read on a lot of people at this point and it's worrying tbh.

On the one hand, he seems frustrated as I was when people were going after me in the beginning of the game. The kind of frustrations that sometimes makes me feel: screw them. The idiots want to lynch me, I hope they lose, and I'm not going to help them. He only has two votes, but more people have called him suspicious, so I get the frustration.

I have seen this from Epi as well which is why I'm still not overly suspicious of him.

[S~V~S]

Epi probably won't like me saying it, but there is a civ role that cannot be lynched or NK'd (as far as we know right now). It is possible that he is good. Weird, but good. I am still going to vote Snowman.

I thought you said you wanted to talk to me about it first.

I thought you were gonna talk about SVS.

Later.

Why? Do me thee common courtesy of "now".

[S~V~S]

lol, posting in bed "the" not "thee".

But in any case, waiting seems to me like just a way to get the late, "I didn't really read the thread, but there was this discussion right here on the top of this page I am reading (cause I ain't gonna read the other 14 pages posted today lol) so I am gonna vote for that person" voters to jump on your train.

Also, don't want to get accused of not addressing things. If you have something to say, please say it.

[Tangrowth]

If she was bad and he just gave her a defense, she would want to keep him around because his opinion of her should carry more weight. I've done that with MP before, kept him around for the cred. Only to find out later he knew I was bad and set me up. Son of a...

[thellama73]

SVS, I posted what I did because I thought I was about to die, and I wanted that hunch (it is only a hunch) to be on the board in case I didn't get another chance. It was the kind of minor ping I would normally keep to myself until I was more sure, but I felt I had to dump into the thread in case death came to claim me before my time.

I suspect you less today than I did yesterday, and you are far from being my top suspect. Your more recent posts make me feel better about you. I have no interest in leading a lynch on you or even voting for you today. That's really all I have to say about it.

[S~V~S]

Thank you

[thellama73]

Thank you

I'm glad we had this talk.

[Marmot]

I've never played in a game in which votes are not changeable, so is it normal for such early votes?

Not really. It would be foolish to vote early when votes are not changeable.

[S~V~S]

Thank you

I'm glad we had this talk.

[thellama73]

I've never played in a game in which votes are not changeable, so is it normal for such early votes?

Not really. It would be foolish to vote early when votes are not changeable.

Foolish like a fox. I think there are sometimes legitimate reasons to vote early. Sometimes.

[zeek]

I've never played in a game in which votes are not changeable, so is it normal for such early votes?

Not really. It would be foolish to vote early when votes are not changeable.

Why did you vote so early then?

[Black Rock]

If you ignore history and just look at posts, Long Con is a weird choice. For that reason, I think Kira took him out because of history, not his accusations. Someone who finds LC a threat wanted him out.

I agree.

I am catching up the best I can. I was like 16 pages behind. 12, today and a few I didn't catch up before the lynch was over.

[Turnip Head]

Where's Snowmang? Now he's got his wife calling him out, and I assume Llama still suspects the guy as well. Would be nice to get his POV today and see what he's thinking.

[Turnip Head]

On the one hand, he seems frustrated as I was when people were going after me in the beginning of the game. The kind of frustrations that sometimes makes me feel: screw them. The idiots want to lynch me, I hope they lose, and I'm not going to help them. He only has two votes, but more people have called him suspicious, so I get the frustration.

I have seen this from Epi as well which is why I'm still not overly suspicious of him.

This doesn't feel like civvie Epi to me. Civvie Epi is unafraid to lead the charge, throwing caution to the wind. The Epi of this game has been hesitant and wavering. It feels like he's holding something back. He reminds me more of how he played in Dr Who (his second iteration) than in any other game I've played with him.

Given how he's played this lynch so far though, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a currently unlynchable role. Or maybe that's just what he wants us to think.

[Ricochet]

Doing my best to catch-up, though busy days ahead. In fact, I'm off to a workshop in London next week and I have idea how Mafia will mix with that. Plus, the days ahead in which I have to prepare.

First off, I just have to ask the Host: are we to consider L's likelihod percentages as accurate or as tongue-in-cheek as in the show? Besides, does anyone have thoughts on L calling out Ace?

As for my other thoughts, hate to do such a rough draft, but here goes:

One lingering thing for me since D2 was the way FZ. led the BWT lynch. I think Llama called her on trying to manipulate the last hour of voting. For me, it's more the wording of her posts back then. I don't think I've ever seen so far somebody lobbying for players to "stop" voting for someone (in this case Snowman) or to "please consider" voting for the one she wants lynched (in this case BWT). Adding to that: her obvious disapproval and row with Epig, finding his wasting his vote and such. I am aware that many are feeling better about her right now, probably because she started being the more active player people expected (in which case she either is indeed warming up her usual gameplay or adapting to the requests), but what happened back then still pinged me completely, I'd say.

Zombarella's vote on Snowman, ugh, I don't even. Again, wording, but "I know my husband and can tell he's bad, you guys don't so just trust me on it"... No. Nope. Not in Mafia gaming. Plus I think they're both (Snowman for Llama D2, now Zomba for Snowman) voting for the person who accuses them as a way of deflecting, rather than making a case of them being bad.

Speaking of Snowman, is everyone happier with him now that he survived D2/N2? He said he has a lot to offer, so do you feel he's doing it?

I don't recall right now who said it, but this is a completely different TH I'm playing with for me as well, as opposed to Film. Not sure what to make of it, yet.

I need to re-read a lot on Epig, because I'm not feeling the vote for him right now. I sort of agree with his stance on Yotsubas, I don't see why he would attempt to profile them and say it out loud, if he were bad (a Kira, even). In fact, I'm also seeing a lot on what Elohcin is trying to reflect on, about not thinking as straightforward about civ/bad alignments and profiling as in usual games. Moreso now, that it has been revealed that even some detectives/civs have unlynchability or are powerless/cannot activate their roles until a certain point, so they to must adapt to the game the way we'd imagine baddies would.

Need to re-read for an idea of what LC's kill could have meant, as well.

[Ricochet]

EBWOP: I have no idea how Mafia will mix with my London workshop.

[Turnip Head]

One lingering thing for me since D2 was the way FZ. led the BWT lynch. I think Llama called her on trying to manipulate the last hour of voting. For me, it's more the wording of her posts back then. I don't think I've ever seen so far somebody lobbying for players to "stop" voting for someone (in this case Snowman) or to "please consider" voting for the one she wants lynched (in this case BWT). Adding to that: her obvious disapproval and row with Epig, finding his wasting his vote and such. I am aware that many are feeling better about her right now, probably because she started being the more active player people expected (in which case she either is indeed warming up her usual gameplay or adapting to the requests), but what happened back then still pinged me completely, I'd say.

I'd like to point out that I think FZ has had one of these "moments" in every game I've played with her, whether civvie or baddie. She'll step in and intervene in a lynch if she feels certain it's the right way to go. If she's civvie, it's because she thinks the person taking votes is civ. If she's bad, there could be a few reasons for the behavior. But personally I don't think I'm seeing baddie FZ yet.

[Turnip Head]

First off, I just have to ask the Host: are we to consider L's likelihod percentages as accurate or as tongue-in-cheek as in the show? Besides, does anyone have thoughts on L calling out Ace?

I think L gets to check people, he receives some sort of percentage-based intel, and then later shares that info with the thread. For instance I think he checked Aces night 1 and was able to report it on Night 2. Maybe L understands the percentages better than we do, at least I hope he does

[Ricochet]

One lingering thing for me since D2 was the way FZ. led the BWT lynch. I think Llama called her on trying to manipulate the last hour of voting. For me, it's more the wording of her posts back then. I don't think I've ever seen so far somebody lobbying for players to "stop" voting for someone (in this case Snowman) or to "please consider" voting for the one she wants lynched (in this case BWT). Adding to that: her obvious disapproval and row with Epig, finding his wasting his vote and such. I am aware that many are feeling better about her right now, probably because she started being the more active player people expected (in which case she either is indeed warming up her usual gameplay or adapting to the requests), but what happened back then still pinged me completely, I'd say.

I'd like to point out that I think FZ has had one of these "moments" in every game I've played with her, whether civvie or baddie. She'll step in and intervene in a lynch if she feels certain it's the right way to go. If she's civvie, it's because she thinks the person taking votes is civ. If she's bad, there could be a few reasons for the behavior. But personally I don't think I'm seeing baddie FZ yet.

Ah, noted. Thanks.

[thellama73]

Where's Snowmang? Now he's got his wife calling him out, and I assume Llama still suspects the guy as well. Would be nice to get his POV today and see what he's thinking.

Your assumption is well placed. Snowman will get my vote unless something changes between now and the end of the day.

Speaking of Snowman, is everyone happier with him now that he survived D2/N2? He said he has a lot to offer, so do you feel he's doing it?

Nope. He's acting the same way he was. Not offering anything constructive.

[Turnip Head]

Does anyone have anything interesting to say that will make this lynch more than Epi vs Snowman? It seems like that's where this is going and that would be a little boring by this game's standards.

[juliets]

TH it seems like you would be trying to get us to vote Epi. Have you changed your mind about him?

[Turnip Head]

TH it seems like you would be trying to get us to vote Epi. Have you changed your mind about him?

It would just be nice to have more suspects in case people don't want to vote Epi but don't suspect Snowman either.

[FZ.]

On the one hand, he seems frustrated as I was when people were going after me in the beginning of the game. The kind of frustrations that sometimes makes me feel: screw them. The idiots want to lynch me, I hope they lose, and I'm not going to help them. He only has two votes, but more people have called him suspicious, so I get the frustration.

I have seen this from Epi as well which is why I'm still not overly suspicious of him.

This doesn't feel like civvie Epi to me. Civvie Epi is unafraid to lead the charge, throwing caution to the wind. The Epi of this game has been hesitant and wavering. It feels like he's holding something back. He reminds me more of how he played in Dr Who (his second iteration) than in any other game I've played with him.

Given how he's played this lynch so far though, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a currently unlynchable role. Or maybe that's just what he wants us to think.

Other than Donner, which was not your typical game, I haven't played with Baddie Epi. At least not to the point I lived to find out he was bad, so you probably know him better. But it's the feel I got. People always call out others for being defensive, like that's a baddie trait. I think I'm more defensive and annoyed when I'm bad because I know people's suspicions are false and I can't do anything about it. Epi seems like a pissed civ, or not bad (Kira). But I don't get him at all, so who knows.

Doing my best to catch-up, though busy days ahead. In fact, I'm off to a workshop in London next week and I have idea how Mafia will mix with that. Plus, the days ahead in which I have to prepare.

First off, I just have to ask the Host: are we to consider L's likelihod percentages as accurate or as tongue-in-cheek as in the show? Besides, does anyone have thoughts on L calling out Ace?

As for my other thoughts, hate to do such a rough draft, but here goes:

One lingering thing for me since D2 was the way FZ. led the BWT lynch. I think Llama called her on trying to manipulate the last hour of voting. For me, it's more the wording of her posts back then. I don't think I've ever seen so far somebody lobbying for players to "stop" voting for someone (in this case Snowman) or to "please consider" voting for the one she wants lynched (in this case BWT). Adding to that: her obvious disapproval and row with Epig, finding his wasting his vote and such. I am aware that many are feeling better about her right now, probably because she started being the more active player people expected (in which case she either is indeed warming up her usual gameplay or adapting to the requests), but what happened back then still pinged me completely, I'd say.

Zombarella's vote on Snowman, ugh, I don't even. Again, wording, but "I know my husband and can tell he's bad, you guys don't so just trust me on it"... No. Nope. Not in Mafia gaming. Plus I think they're both (Snowman for Llama D2, now Zomba for Snowman) voting for the person who accuses them as a way of deflecting, rather than making a case of them being bad.

Speaking of Snowman, is everyone happier with him now that he survived D2/N2? He said he has a lot to offer, so do you feel he's doing it?

I don't recall right now who said it, but this is a completely different TH I'm playing with for me as well, as opposed to Film. Not sure what to make of it, yet.

I need to re-read a lot on Epig, because I'm not feeling the vote for him right now. I sort of agree with his stance on Yotsubas, I don't see why he would attempt to profile them and say it out loud, if he were bad (a Kira, even). In fact, I'm also seeing a lot on what Elohcin is trying to reflect on, about not thinking as straightforward about civ/bad alignments and profiling as in usual games. Moreso now, that it has been revealed that even some detectives/civs have unlynchability or are powerless/cannot activate their roles until a certain point, so they to must adapt to the game the way we'd imagine baddies would.

Need to re-read for an idea of what LC's kill could have meant, as well.

Unlike Boo, when I think someone is wrongfully being lynched, I'm going to do everything I can to stop it, even at the risk of looking bad. And sometimes I do end up looking bad because that person turns out bad. With all that's been going on the last day regarding Snowman's behaviour and Zomba's feelings about him, I'm starting to wonder if I was wrong.
But I would really like to know what you think I would gain from doing such an obvious and strong interfering?


linki: It would be nice to have other options. Some people have gone quiet. Where is Bea? Where on earth is Russ? And even Boo has quieted down.

[FZ.]

By the way, DH said he was going back to being vocal and "leading" us like we obviously need, but I don't see anything worth while from him.