WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

[gims]

LMAO what

Where's your imagination

You think it's so strange that wolves might try to push over a townie to protect a wolf counterwagon then get caught doing so because the wolf flips instead because they don't know there was vote manipulation in town's favor?
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youre not even talking about what everyone else is talking about

[gims]

we are talking about one last wolf scenario here, DM, pay attention

[GoSpursGo]

im sorry for being harsh, DM.

this isnt the first time im accused of angleshooting and I hate it every single time it happens, I find it unfair, this isn't a word that should be used loosely because its an accusation of unethical play.

FWIW I agree with you--accusing a player of angleshooting isn't something that should be thrown around lightly.

I'm not sure that your strategy would work out in practice, precisely because it's going to be almost impossible to herd this many cats, but I appreciate you thinking outside the box.

[gims]

youre just creating apocalyptical fake scenarios, that doesn't even help with anything

if you have better ideas, just say them, you did spend the entire game going on abt mech so where are the ideas?

[GoSpursGo]

Anyways I'm heading home, and this time I really do intend to disconnect for the rest of the night cycle

[gims]

^ that was to DM

[gims]

I'm not sure that your strategy would work out in practice, precisely because it's going to be almost impossible to herd this many cats, but I appreciate you thinking outside the box.

there's no reason not to

all we have to do is not vote, if it doesn't work as intended then we have reliable mech to figure out why

finding a final wolf in this game can definitely be a needle in a haystack. I've seen it happen. I've won games as last wolf after back to back to back to back wolf flips. its not even that hard.

[gims]

I'm talking about a single cycle where we don't do anything

you can all think of it as a no-lim gameday

more often than not, it will get us to the finish line

[Porscha]

IMO pyxxy is almost outed.

Add epi/rondo/porscha/leetic, and I think that is the most likely POE. If the game isn’t over when you get through pyxxy + 3 of those 4 names, consider if we miscleared a deepwolf

if you decide between going me or rondo you have to go me before rondo. make that commitment now

[Porscha]

Rondo why haven't you voted yet? Clearly you're here reading along and not having tea somewhere.

why vote when porscha can get away with not voting? as long as that keeps getting past with no bother, I dont see any reason to vote. You guys have it

Bad excuse

he's just mad I'm allowed to not get more scrutiny for not voting all the time lol

[Porscha]

Mechanically confirmed town
Michelle

Never rescind town unless they're alive at mylo/lylo
nutella
Wilgy
gims
Tranq

Very, very likely town
Scotty
dubz

Probably town
DM
Mac

The middle
jess
leetic

POE:
Epig
Rondo
Porscha

Probably outed mafia
pyxxy

I think this is a poorly named list and you have some real bad mix ups lol. there's like no way you have me more poe than mac or leetic

[Porscha]

Yay one more red flip!

What's the Poe again??
Do we think Pyxxy is clear in any way

I dont think most people are "clear" but i dont really see how pyxxy is more likely wolf than like. leetic or a good tranq bus? or epi? or wilgy?

idk i'm not doing a good job keeping track of who has what town points for why. especially with wagons

I do only think wilgy is more likely town than wolf cuz while wilgy can and will bus, it's usually used to get him deeper

and he's done absolutely fucking nothing lol so unless he's just physically unable to play after attempting to get credit early, he's probably town?

kinda just confused on the pyxxy mania

[Porscha]

rondo is obviously not wolf cuz he's polarized noob



(no but really - there's no agenda he's been spewing around the flipped wolves and I dont think he'd play this way as a wolf)

[Porscha]

if i'm being honest I think spurs just has a bias for scumming people who are posting more than people who arent regardless of whether they are towny or wolfy lol and is letting the day 1 nicole wagon just vibe and barely exist is (fine) but not actually optimal

like what's any different from nutella 5 posting and rondo 5 posting and mac 5 posting each day? they are all in drastically different tiers and the only difference would be votes. nutella iirc has been on... all 3 flipped wolves? so I get the TR there

but idk where rondo or mac ended each day. i know mac didnt vote trekkie but I think if you want to sus me, you have to sus mac first and essentially create an argument that him and trekkie theatered in thread and I as the third wolf did it to bolster mac and then mac also townread me back and then mac stopped playing again. which is plausible, but I think that's pretty much the only world where I'm a wolf. and I also called out nicole very early and got zero cred for it as her partner.

[nutella]

kinda just confused on the pyxxy mania

same but im happy to sheep this town so far lmao

i kinda think rondo is wolfier

[Porscha]

kinda just confused on the pyxxy mania

same but im happy to sheep this town so far lmao

i kinda think rondo is wolfier

he isnt but I understand why you'd think that

[nutella]

also no ftr i wasnt on trekkie the wagon built up after i went to sleep and i never really saw the sus there myself before then

[Porscha]

i guess i'm happy to sheep into the poe that makes more sense to me personally, but that does require me having dialogue with essentially an inno child in spurs and people will inherently scumread that decision

[Porscha]

like no offense to the earlier DM readers but DM was like 10 tiers townier than at least half the people who have been making posts lol. I'm unsure why others were unable to see it except that DM literally posted more often and therefore gained more ire

[Porscha]

like DM actively had more people poe'ing them than me by day 2. which is crazy lol

[jess]

If it's still a tie one hour from now, i'm switching to LC. A tie should be avoided in case one of them is Athlete.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

i think this is a good look for tranq except for in the exact world where:

A. pyxy is also mafia with long con

B. pyxy has a stronger role than long con

because in that case there's an incentive to tilt the scales in favor of long con dying over pyxy, but on its face i do think tranq voting for long con at a really pivotal moment looks good for him

[jess]

i guess another extenuating thing that makes it harder to analyze the end of the day is the fact that long con was entirely absent, so like he becomes a little bit more bussable thru that lens

[jess]

WTF is this post? If I'm wolfy for making that post what does it say about you for agreeing with it? [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Anyway still catching up

That he has nuanced towny thoughts rather than say, perhaps trying to point out a "contradiction" in order to have something to push, like wolves are more likely to do?

What exactly is the "nuance" here?

Being able to shamelessly exist in the state where Epi's posting does not seem good but also pushing him for it does not seem good, because his alignment is unknown

Isn't everyone's alignment unknown?

BEEP. BEEP. BEEP. BEEP.

Oh! Oh my. One moment, please. The Perspective Discrepancy Module has never actually done that before.

"Because his alignment is unknown."

Interesting choice of words, Duelist. Unknown to whom, exactly? From a Town perspective, everyone's alignment is unknown. But you seem to be separating Epi into a particular category of player whose alignment you don't know.

[VOTE: duelist] aubergine

agreed, i also think that duelist's paranoia bout leetic (like 2 posts abouve the post im quoting) is towny for her independent of leetics actual alignment

[jess]

I do not wish leetic to be today's vote.

i do also question if long con would defend leetic in this sort of blunt/brazen way in a world where they're W/W

[jess]

Dammit rondo

Every time you make a post calling yourself IC is so typically town of you and not having a piece of the pie in the skinning of wolves is so wolfy. But it’s towny for you lol

ngl i find rondos posts on that page towny too lol

[jess]

i probably wouldnt be so tunneled if LC flipped town but LC flipping scum just means something for the wolves and means something for pyxxy defending LC ridiculously last gameday

i mean i do think pyxy is wolfy still too but i do wonder what his incentive as a wolf would be in defending long con so hard, when long con was completely AWOL from the thread and absent? im used to wolves bussing in scenarios like that. i guess u could argue he just didnt want to lose a teammate

[jess]

forget about this game until tomorrow

funny threadstate where other than you, me and DM, everyone forgets about this game from time to time lol

ngl im loving the fact that this game is paced in a way where i can just dip for a while and not have to worry about it. it's really cool lol

[jess]

if i'm being honest I think spurs just has a bias for scumming people who are posting more than people who arent regardless of whether they are towny or wolfy lol and is letting the day 1 nicole wagon just vibe and barely exist is (fine) but not actually optimal

like what's any different from nutella 5 posting and rondo 5 posting and mac 5 posting each day? they are all in drastically different tiers and the only difference would be votes. nutella iirc has been on... all 3 flipped wolves? so I get the TR there

but idk where rondo or mac ended each day. i know mac didnt vote trekkie but I think if you want to sus me, you have to sus mac first and essentially create an argument that him and trekkie theatered in thread and I as the third wolf did it to bolster mac and then mac also townread me back and then mac stopped playing again. which is plausible, but I think that's pretty much the only world where I'm a wolf. and I also called out nicole very early and got zero cred for it as her partner.

towny post from porscha imo

[jess]

my gut is telling me that Epignosis should proly be scrutinized more heavily coming into tomorrow ftr

[gims]

my gut is telling me that Epignosis should proly be scrutinized more heavily coming into tomorrow ftr

wakarimasu

[gims]

epig is whatever im going after pyxxy as long as people don't ruin jedi

[jess]

the mechanical discussion is above my paygrade but i trust all of u to handle it

[jess]

epig is whatever im going after pyxxy as long as people don't ruin jedi

for posterity in this moment i also think porscha/rondo are town, i feel more strongly about the former than the latter but think theyve both been a lil towny the last few pages

[gims]

POE strikelist thing if im insanely charitable to everybody

DrWilgy - I think pretty much only voted scum
Dubz - somewhat good posting after d1
Duelist Mirage - too much energy to be scum
Epignosis - weird posting
Gims - its a me
GoSpursGo - virtual innocent townie
Jess - very towny when around
leetic - sheeping spurs' homework
Long Con - dived
MacDougall - other people townread him, I have no idea
Michelle - IC
Nutella - pushed scum
Porscha - pushed scum
Pyxxy - widening the POE and following a scum agenda
RondoDimBuckle - too excited with the game to be mafia
Scotty - pushed scum
Tranq - claimed town

I think im solidly still here @jess so ye agreed with your townreads

[GoSpursGo]

Mechanically confirmed town
Michelle

Never rescind town unless they're alive at mylo/lylo
nutella
Wilgy
gims
Tranq

Very, very likely town
Scotty
dubz

Probably town
DM
Mac

The middle
jess
leetic

POE:
Epig
Rondo
Porscha

Probably outed mafia
pyxxy

I think this is a poorly named list and you have some real bad mix ups lol. there's like no way you have me more poe than mac or leetic

Don’t hate on my naming conventions!

Can you tell me why I should townread you?

[GoSpursGo]

Yay one more red flip!

What's the Poe again??
Do we think Pyxxy is clear in any way

I dont think most people are "clear" but i dont really see how pyxxy is more likely wolf than like. leetic or a good tranq bus? or epi? or wilgy?

idk i'm not doing a good job keeping track of who has what town points for why. especially with wagons

I do only think wilgy is more likely town than wolf cuz while wilgy can and will bus, it's usually used to get him deeper

and he's done absolutely fucking nothing lol so unless he's just physically unable to play after attempting to get credit early, he's probably town?

kinda just confused on the pyxxy mania

Can you give me your scum case on leetic and tranq?

[Duelist Mirage]

'angleshooty ideas' isn't something you should ever say unless you think someone is bending the rules btw

this isn't bending the rules, this is the use of a mechanical tool in a mechanical way that benefits town, thats it

its not our fault that scum put themselves in that spot

It's not though, that's why you're frustrating me, you're insisting on a plan that just does not work the way you say and can backfire on us instead and get townies killed for no reason. It's like you've been possessed by usesPython, except they would acknowledge it when I point out the problems.

There's nothing wrong with being angleshooty! I'm angleshooty at times! We're not supposed to be doing it this game though. Maybe that wasn't quite the right word, idk, you're just worrying me.

I'm not trying to insult you, I just want this to stop.

[Duelist Mirage]

Remember you're only gonna get 5 posts from me during the day so gl, hope you do as awesome as you have been so far 3 for 3 can we go 4 for 4?

Dammit Rondo...

now you're making me think through the mechanics of how the bus driver is going to use that information

Also don't bother, he's just a liar, Rondo be like that

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall

Just got a bit busy

[GoSpursGo]

if i'm being honest I think spurs just has a bias for scumming people who are posting more than people who arent regardless of whether they are towny or wolfy lol and is letting the day 1 nicole wagon just vibe and barely exist is (fine) but not actually optimal

like what's any different from nutella 5 posting and rondo 5 posting and mac 5 posting each day? they are all in drastically different tiers and the only difference would be votes. nutella iirc has been on... all 3 flipped wolves? so I get the TR there

but idk where rondo or mac ended each day. i know mac didnt vote trekkie but I think if you want to sus me, you have to sus mac first and essentially create an argument that him and trekkie theatered in thread and I as the third wolf did it to bolster mac and then mac also townread me back and then mac stopped playing again. which is plausible, but I think that's pretty much the only world where I'm a wolf. and I also called out nicole very early and got zero cred for it as her partner.

I mean Nutella more or less owns the Nicole pelt, so that’s the difference between her and rondo/mac. Yeah bussing is a thing, but when the pack so far has shown no signs of bussing idk why we need to tie ourselves in knots worrying about it.

I’m not sure how you can simultaneously sus Nutella for actually restarting the Nicole wagon, yet try to claim credit for sussing Nicole without voting for her.

Like, I’m not saying for sure you’re a wolf and I’m not even sure you’re in my most likely solve, but atp I just don’t have much reason to town you. That’s just how I see the game.

[MacDougall]

As he SLAMS in a vote on [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine the children are woken by sighs of extreme pleasure. This is sure to come up in some counsellor's room at a later date.

This may be my favourite correct vote ever.

[GoSpursGo]

kinda just confused on the pyxxy mania

same but im happy to sheep this town so far lmao

i kinda think rondo is wolfier

Personally I don’t disagree Rondo is “wolfy,” but it sure felt like pyxxy has tried very hard to vote anywhere that isn’t the flipped wolf wagons even when they were under pressure.

But they’re both in my poe so I’m not gonna fight too much over semantics

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Can you make the case or remind me where you made it? I only immediately saw your dubz case.

I'm not completely opposed to that wagon since I was making the push on D2. But to me LC and Epig sort of exist in the same space of being "wolfy," but for different reasons and nothing specifically pairing them with Nicole/Trek

did I rehabilitate his image or did he live with a cw to a wolf and then you agreed with me when I said mac's position in thread helped me find confidence that trekkie was wolf?

I remember you +1'd my post, you sneaky rat lol

Lol rehabilitate my image. Look at this guy.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine Mainly because I don't think it's usually a good idea to go for a slanker at this stage in the game. I don't believe anyone's responded to me as to whether the LC wagon is for any reason besides them not posting?

[GoSpursGo]

like no offense to the earlier DM readers but DM was like 10 tiers townier than at least half the people who have been making posts lol. I'm unsure why others were unable to see it except that DM literally posted more often and therefore gained more ire

Reading your posts, I suspect we just have different solving styles. I look pretty hard at votes and wagonomics, largely because I feel like I’m trash at reading if people are “towny” or “wolfy.” If you have a different thought process that’s fine

[GoSpursGo]

I do not wish leetic to be today's vote.

i do also question if long con would defend leetic in this sort of blunt/brazen way in a world where they're W/W

Good point

[gims]

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine Mainly because I don't think it's usually a good idea to go for a slanker at this stage in the game. I don't believe anyone's responded to me as to whether the LC wagon is for any reason besides them not posting?

That leetic post is so scummy

[MacDougall]

This may be my favourite game ever. This wolf team is just getting steamrolled.

[GoSpursGo]

i probably wouldnt be so tunneled if LC flipped town but LC flipping scum just means something for the wolves and means something for pyxxy defending LC ridiculously last gameday

i mean i do think pyxy is wolfy still too but i do wonder what his incentive as a wolf would be in defending long con so hard, when long con was completely AWOL from the thread and absent? im used to wolves bussing in scenarios like that. i guess u could argue he just didnt want to lose a teammate

I think in this scenario where wolves are already down 2 wolves, they could easily think that with the mech losing another wolf is just too much of a numbers disadvantage.

But I’m also the person who as wolf loses because I stubbornly defend my packmates long past bus-o-clock, so I’m predisposed to reading defense of a flipped wolf as pairing

[Porscha]

Yay one more red flip!

What's the Poe again??
Do we think Pyxxy is clear in any way

I dont think most people are "clear" but i dont really see how pyxxy is more likely wolf than like. leetic or a good tranq bus? or epi? or wilgy?

idk i'm not doing a good job keeping track of who has what town points for why. especially with wagons

I do only think wilgy is more likely town than wolf cuz while wilgy can and will bus, it's usually used to get him deeper

and he's done absolutely fucking nothing lol so unless he's just physically unable to play after attempting to get credit early, he's probably town?

kinda just confused on the pyxxy mania

Can you give me your scum case on leetic and tranq?

i'm gonna be honest I dont have "scum cases" on either of them, I dont remember ... most of tranq's posts which is my fault, but I do think his push on michelle was pretty lame (sorry if town push lol but it's an unconvincing argument that requires more effort than should be put in for the result it gives, and the result should not have given him that much confidence to push it more than once, which iirc he kinda did even after michelle rightfully called him out for pushing her for something generally NAI)

leetic is just . like. idk I generally find him scummy all the time and I know he's busy and all but it seems like less solving than... barely scraping by each day as the not elim? and someone could argue that since each day has flipped a wolf that maybe it makes him town, I dunno. I feel like as in so far the wolves have had very little agency and it's entirely plausible he's getting traction with other wolves, but I also think that more cuz I feel like he's barely solving

like he DID in fact just vote pyxxy over long con which. I dunno. surely you just... bus there? but maybe not if pyxxy is town and viable as a potential go over. idk. just have a hard time seeing his posts as towny and then everything else around him is entirely unclearing I suppose

game is in a weird spot where it's hard to tell if bus would or would not be happening at this point