WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

[RondoDimBuckle]

So, in terms of raw equity, it's like

Me, Pyxxy, Rondo, Jess < Porscha, Mac, Leetic < Scotty, Nut, Spurs, Gims, DM < Tranq

bullshit, come on, if you're gonna come at me have some real substance. no way pyxxy is seriously in a poe

[DrWilgy]

So, in terms of raw equity, it's like

Me, Pyxxy, Rondo, Jess < Porscha, Mac, Leetic < Scotty, Nut, Spurs, Gims, DM < Tranq

bullshit, come on, if you're gonna come at me have some real substance. no way pyxxy is seriously in a poe

Did I say Pyxxy was PoE?

[Scotty]

weird ass mechanically over game lol

This actually isn’t as clear cut as you think

With bus driver, Dubz could have targeted anyone that also targeted Dubz. Could’ve been anyone.

[Scotty]

Someone iterate how I'm PoE and why I have 5. Ty.

good chance parrot copied your action and targeted dubz with it, since this was planned in thread

since we have no reason to clear you (and you and leetic were the other 2 other than dubz in my POE particularly) I see no reason to flip elsewhere and neither will most people I don't think

Gotcha.

That's funny, but ok. Good for me to go now rather than later, I expect a good chuckle at my flip.

sorta towny

what if we vote mac

Could be

PIYO PIYO

[RondoDimBuckle]

weird ass mechanically over game lol

This actually isn’t as clear cut as you think

With bus driver, Dubz could have targeted anyone that also targeted Dubz. Could’ve been anyone.

damn, maybe I should reel it in a bit then

[RondoDimBuckle]

something something im a tea guy doing a ceremony and definitely town

[Scotty]

The streets are alive with celebration today. Banners and lanterns hang along the street poles signaling a regime change. Tourists are wearing multicolored garments recently purchased at Uniqlo or some such tourist market.

And I’m just watching it all, smiling with the light of hope

[Scotty]

POE based on actual pings is something like LC/jess/Mac/leetic

Tentative town bucket = DM, Wilgy, Scotty

Never rescind town bucket = gims, vivax, Spurs, Nutella

Everyone else is

Now off to snack on some sea creatures or something. Sayōnara!

[VOTE: @Long Con ] aubergine

Professors of association, I think this post is pertinent:

What are the odds Dubz included 2 teammates in her POE here on Day 2, and voting one of them? Long con was not in danger of going over D2 nor was that close.

I’m looking at the validity of Mac/leetic/jess to be clear.

Note she didn’t mention Trekkie here when Trekkie actually got run over by a moving van. AKA

[Scotty]

DM kinda threw a tantrum on pg 14 that I think was coming from a townie perspective

I usually wouldn't give much cred to Wilgy's vote for nicole, but I'm still trying to figure out how to interpret the later votes in the context of her ability - would teammates be more inclined to get the bussing cred, or to try to save her for a time where they'd be more likely to get the benefit of her ability. Hard to say without knowing bussing metas. I personally would gave gone for the latter so for the moment some points to idk...everyone who ended up there?

im about to pass out but i dont know if i really care to move my vote. gl i believe in all of us

I don't love this pop-in.

I don't hate the Nicole wagon but I'm always wary of wagons that get so far ahead of all the others so early into the game

I'm not really feeling the two "counterwagons" all that much either. Rondo just has too little posts for me to care much about that slot. Mainly switching to [VOTE: Duelist Mirage] aubergine because of their vote history having an opportunistic vote on me then switching to another popular wagon (Rondo) that was unlikely to defend themselves but I'll have to dig deeper

And I kinda hate this in context

low, sleepy rawr

It will soon be time for me to retire to the bottom of the ocean once more for a yasumi

This also is a strange throw-in mentioning a slight defense of Wilgy. She included him apropos of nothing.

[DrWilgy]

I skimmed Jess and Rondo.

I think there's just enough on Jess/Trekkie to not have that as candidate no.1

Someone elaborate why Rondo isn't wolf?

[Tranq]

I skimmed Jess and Rondo.

I think there's just enough on Jess/Trekkie to not have that as candidate no.1

Someone elaborate why Rondo isn't wolf?

Rondo sounds like his town self.

Can you give us your thoughts on pyxxy / Scotty?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I skimmed Jess and Rondo.

I think there's just enough on Jess/Trekkie to not have that as candidate no.1

Someone elaborate why Rondo isn't wolf?

What about my play is wolfy?

[Scotty]

I skimmed Jess and Rondo.

I think there's just enough on Jess/Trekkie to not have that as candidate no.1

Someone elaborate why Rondo isn't wolf?

huh, I was just about to put on my AO sign and comment that Jess looked like a fantastic candidate for teammate of Dubz if not you. Yes, the treatment of/by Trekkie is a good look, but she was townreading Dubz yesterday in a spot where mafia desperately needed to retain numbers for a few more cycles at least. I especially find her defense today of leetic putting her in the POE as a seeming whataboutism:

i dont think it's actually clearing for me per se but i will give a reminder that dubz spent badically all of d2 pushing on me iirc

As for Rondo? He exists in multiple planes at once. He never seems to cross my street, and isn’t afraid to come off as yakuza

[Scotty]

I have no desire to disallow leetic from crossing the street today btw. He has truly been a prime miselim candidate from all wolves this whole game and that doesn’t feel like a winning strategy. AO

[gims]

weird ass mechanically over game lol

This actually isn’t as clear cut as you think

With bus driver, Dubz could have targeted anyone that also targeted Dubz. Could’ve been anyone.

A minor possibility

[gims]

We're doing jedi tomorrow ye?

[Tranq]

World Tour Mafia III: Tatooine

[Duelist Mirage]

Though we stand at the summit of Mount Fuji at the dawn, looking down at the forces of the pretenders who have fallen before the might of the shogun's loyal retainers, it is not over quite yet. The ways of the fallen lizard enemy in the darkness of night makes it difficult to know for sure whether the enemy managed to disrupt our Imperial forces from their intended course, but there seems fair chance that we may piece this together nonetheless. The odds are in our favor.

[Duelist Mirage]

I must again ask my allies why they persist in suspicion of DrWilgy. I would not readily turn my blade upon him after what he has done in chasing down the enemy in our initial skirmish. I note again that he seems quite likely to have been assigned the role of "president" by the shogun, which we all know can only go to the loyal.

I also ask DrWilgy why he suspects leetic, the constant target of our fallen foes.

[Tranq]

I must again ask my allies why they persist in suspicion of DrWilgy. I would not readily turn my blade upon him after what he has done in chasing down the enemy in our initial skirmish. I note again that he seems quite likely to have been assigned the role of "president" by the shogun, which we all know can only go to the loyal.

- The discussed Night 4 mech.
- Scotty had Wilgy and Dubz as top suspects and was right on Dubz. Note the Night 4 mech was based on Scotty's theory so i feel that earns him a sheeping.
- If Wilgy town it will clear up pyxyy to me (if Wilgy revealed President i'm looking at pyxxy again, if Wilgy revealed any other town role it solidifies pyxxy as President)

[gims]

We're doing jedi tomorrow ye?

@jedi: if we dont hit mafia today, trigger the thing tonight. all you have to do is agree with the plan; if you die at night, we'll know for sure you triggered it. we can also POE the people who disagree with it as likely containing the last mafia. thats part 1.

part of 'part 1' is having jedi + people who aren't jedi but think there's merit to this agreeing with it. it doesn't matter if we can make it happen or not. it doesn't matter if we think the current state of neoliberal mindset makes it so there's no way people can coordinate anything or play for a team instead of their own bellybuttons. the only thing that matters is having a majority in agreement with a plan.

remember, its okay if the plan fails. its okay if the plan never comes to fruition. coordination and agreement are key: one person doing something can be a mistake, everyone doing the same thing is a plan in motion.

even if you think this wont work, agree with it especially if youre jedi; if youre not jedi, you should also agree with it for cover.

if we know or can eventually tell that jedi triggered tonight, and dont hit mafia tomorrow via no votes, then we can POE the final scum as everyone alive who received extra abilities via roleplay. that POE alone might also secure a win.

[gims]

Bus Driver - You will target two players each night. If both of those players are actively targeting someone, their targets will be switched.

[Tranq]

gims i'm up trying but maybe keep the discussion for later? First priority should be to end the game this day phase.
I think Jedi has been triggered already because players like to use their powers, but there is a Reloader role so maybe.
I agree IF it's going to happen at all it has to be triggered Night 5.
Realistically at best you're going to be able to create maybe a 4 or 5-way tie between top POE? It sounds like trying to fold a piece of origami paper into a clean rounded circle.

[gims]

all I read was 'I'm up'

[gims]

but agree we should not focus on it, im just gathering consensus

[gims]

the whole bus driver/redirect thing is a massive headache

[nutella]

We're doing jedi tomorrow ye?

@jedi: if we dont hit mafia today, trigger the thing tonight. all you have to do is agree with the plan; if you die at night, we'll know for sure you triggered it. we can also POE the people who disagree with it as likely containing the last mafia. thats part 1.

part of 'part 1' is having jedi + people who aren't jedi but think there's merit to this agreeing with it. it doesn't matter if we can make it happen or not. it doesn't matter if we think the current state of neoliberal mindset makes it so there's no way people can coordinate anything or play for a team instead of their own bellybuttons. the only thing that matters is having a majority in agreement with a plan.

remember, its okay if the plan fails. its okay if the plan never comes to fruition. coordination and agreement are key: one person doing something can be a mistake, everyone doing the same thing is a plan in motion.

even if you think this wont work, agree with it especially if youre jedi; if youre not jedi, you should also agree with it for cover.

if we know or can eventually tell that jedi triggered tonight, and dont hit mafia tomorrow via no votes, then we can POE the final scum as everyone alive who received extra abilities via roleplay. that POE alone might also secure a win.

can i defect to the rocinante?

[gims]

something else we can probably discuss is if we should openly coordinate redirectors or nah

[gims]

also im assuming inherent multitask for mafia, is that correct?

also

whats the order of actions for redirect vs bus driver?

[Porscha]

weird ass mechanically over game lol

This actually isn’t as clear cut as you think

With bus driver, Dubz could have targeted anyone that also targeted Dubz. Could’ve been anyone.

yeah I agree lol

[gims]

there is a good chance wilgy is the president and not pyxxy

does that bring pyxxy back to the POE?

[Porscha]

there is a good chance wilgy is the president and not pyxxy

does that bring pyxxy back to the POE?

I would call it an under 50% chance and therefore not a "good" chance, but

idk. I still dont really think pyxxy is wolfy lol

[Porscha]

like if wilgy even is the president then it means he townreads pyxxy so fucking hard that he elected to use his 1 shot ability on that day. which would be worth considering

[gims]

wilgy saying we'd 'chuckle' at his role reveal gave me pause lol

[GoSpursGo]

there is a good chance wilgy is the president and not pyxxy

does that bring pyxxy back to the POE?

I feel like it would be absolutely insane for Wilgy to activate president there.

I do agree that if the game isn't just over today the Jedi activates their ability and we at least have that as an option in the next day cycle

[Scotty]

wilgy saying we'd 'chuckle' at his role reveal gave me pause lol

I’d chuckle if the ole Ice Cream Man was put on ice, ye

[Scotty]

I must again ask my allies why they persist in suspicion of DrWilgy. I would not readily turn my blade upon him after what he has done in chasing down the enemy in our initial skirmish. I note again that he seems quite likely to have been assigned the role of "president" by the shogun, which we all know can only go to the loyal.

I also ask DrWilgy why he suspects leetic, the constant target of our fallen foes.

Who should we be closing our streets to then, in your opinion?

[Scotty]

Man. 11v1 must be a pretty rough spot to be in

How do you even climb out of that?

[gims]

its been done before...

[Scotty]

its been done before...

Well well well

Guess we just need to get you now before you get the chance..

[GoSpursGo]

Man. 11v1 must be a pretty rough spot to be in

How do you even climb out of that?

12v1 even...

I do think it's especially challenging in this mechanical setup

[Duelist Mirage]

I must again ask my allies why they persist in suspicion of DrWilgy. I would not readily turn my blade upon him after what he has done in chasing down the enemy in our initial skirmish. I note again that he seems quite likely to have been assigned the role of "president" by the shogun, which we all know can only go to the loyal.

- The discussed Night 4 mech.
- Scotty had Wilgy and Dubz as top suspects and was right on Dubz. Note the Night 4 mech was based on Scotty's theory so i feel that earns him a sheeping.
- If Wilgy town it will clear up pyxyy to me (if Wilgy revealed President i'm looking at pyxxy again, if Wilgy revealed any other town role it solidifies pyxxy as President)

Tranq-san, you have been a valuable member of the shogun's army, but you do not have the right to command such actions so it cannot be taken for granted that your suggestion was carried out.

In fact, we already have the report from leetic stating that he had not even received your communicated request. This cannot be ignored, I implore you to pay closer regard to his words.

[Duelist Mirage]

I must again ask my allies why they persist in suspicion of DrWilgy. I would not readily turn my blade upon him after what he has done in chasing down the enemy in our initial skirmish. I note again that he seems quite likely to have been assigned the role of "president" by the shogun, which we all know can only go to the loyal.

I also ask DrWilgy why he suspects leetic, the constant target of our fallen foes.

Who should we be closing our streets to then, in your opinion?

I will study the reports of prior days' action more when I have time, and we have not yet heard from our nakama MacDougall on this morning so the situation could yet change. But I feel there is a course of action here which is likely to quickly lead us to our final victory over the wolves seeking to usurp the true Imperial court.

[VOTE: jess] aubergine

[gims]

[VOTE: jess] aubergine

[Tranq]

Dualist Mirage-san, i cannot deny the wisdom in your post. In fact, i would be highly surprised if all 5 town roles who were called upon, agreed to perform their duties without question. Odds are, a few of them choose to ignore the request and instead folded like origami into their dreams. However though, sensei Occam has a rather sharp Razor. I feel like this Razor has to be used today. If not, i fear, we shall all (like our fallen hero Michelle before us), wait and bleed.

[gims]

the occam's razor is that between leetic and duelist, there is TMI over NAs that I'm not going to ignore.

it works great for me cause I can now 100% tell that duelist isn't the jedi.

but it also works towards flipping jess. leetic said she was outed, I'm not gonna ignore that. now duelist is shielding wilgy and also voting there, I'm not abt to ignore that either. I think there's knowledge*tm in these pushes.

[gims]

if its jess, she put me in her pocket and outside of like one post where she townreaded me, I had zero paranoia over her alignment throughout lol

[Duelist Mirage]

Dualist Mirage-san, i cannot deny the wisdom in your post. In fact, i would be highly surprised if all 5 town roles who were called upon, agreed to perform their duties without question. Odds are, a few of them choose to ignore the request and instead folded like origami into their dreams. However though, sensei Occam has a rather sharp Razor. I feel like this Razor has to be used today. If not, i fear, we shall all (like our fallen hero Michelle before us), wait and bleed.

I agree: I am currently sharpening my katana with Occam's razor. Please review the evidence presented today to better get a handle upon it.

[Duelist Mirage]

the occam's razor is that between leetic and duelist, there is TMI over NAs that I'm not going to ignore.

it works great for me cause I can now 100% tell that duelist isn't the jedi.

but it also works towards flipping jess. leetic said she was outed, I'm not gonna ignore that. now duelist is shielding wilgy and also voting there, I'm not abt to ignore that either. I think there's knowledge*tm in these pushes.

Please review Wilgy's actions at the end of day 1 where he agreed with Long Con's argument on me, called him his top townread, then decided it was a probably a semantics issue and voted Nicole instead of me. Does this truly sound like the actions of Long Con and Nicole's ally? I find that strongly indicative of loyalty to the shogun on its own, even without meta arguments or the significant possibility of his having been assigned the president role.

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall how come you never visit me no more? thats all I am to you? one and done?

Huh?