WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

[MacDougall]

So we chopped epi and he was town and then somehow dubz flipped mafia overnight and no town died?

Dubz did not seem mafia at all. I haven't caught up but is there flip shenanigans here or something?

[gims]

Please review Wilgy's actions at the end of day 1 where he agreed with Long Con's argument on me, called him his top townread, then decided it was a probably a semantics issue and voted Nicole instead of me. Does this truly sound like the actions of Long Con and Nicole's ally? I find that strongly indicative of loyalty to the shogun on its own, even without meta arguments or the significant possibility of his having been assigned the president role.

I remember it

I think more importantly wilgy appeared innocent this gameday and I think the 'I hope my flip gives you a chuckle' sounds like a nice little touch of genuine posting that is unlike to come from mafia

I take the fact that you're somehow voting jess to be meaningful however. ofc, you can't say that. but I'm rolling with it.

[Tranq]

Dualist Mirage-san, i cannot deny the wisdom in your post. In fact, i would be highly surprised if all 5 town roles who were called upon, agreed to perform their duties without question. Odds are, a few of them choose to ignore the request and instead folded like origami into their dreams. However though, sensei Occam has a rather sharp Razor. I feel like this Razor has to be used today. If not, i fear, we shall all (like our fallen hero Michelle before us), wait and bleed.

I agree: I am currently sharpening my katana with Occam's razor. Please review the evidence presented today to better get a handle upon it.

I refuse to! My keyboard has been drinking. Maybe tomorrow i can review this so called evidence. In the meantime i shall [VOTE: Jess] aubergine while i fold some more napkins into cows.

[MacDougall]

So we chopped epi and he was town and then somehow dubz flipped mafia overnight and no town died?

Dubz did not seem mafia at all. I haven't caught up but is there flip shenanigans here or something?

Also feel free to ignore me.

[MacDougall]

Why is everyone voting jess?

[gims]

Why is everyone voting jess?

townies cant flat out say they had NA results condemning someone

leetic openvoted jess at SOD and then said this:

I'm pretty sure jess is just outed here

this was recently followed by duelist, who imo also blatantly is acting with knowledge over NAs.

so I'm deducing this means people who know whats going on at night can tell either who's mafia, or who's definitely not mafia (check duelist's defense of wilgy). so I'm just sheeping them.

[GoSpursGo]

So we chopped epi and he was town and then somehow dubz flipped mafia overnight and no town died?

Dubz did not seem mafia at all. I haven't caught up but is there flip shenanigans here or something?

We voted pyxxy but the president changed the vote outcome to epi. Assumption is president was pyxxy or Wilgy

Some sort of redirection/parrot shenanigans led to the mafia kill landing on dubz. I agree, dubz had me totally pocketed

[GoSpursGo]

[VOTE: jess] aubergine

[Porscha]

well idk wtf is going on without the role list in front of me but it sounds like you guys are set

[gims]

well idk wtf is going on without the role list in front of me but it sounds like you guys are set

we have a living cop
a living watcher
two living redirects
a living parrot

and all of those could have semi condemning/clearing results last night

so ye lol

[gims]

AND

WE HAVE THIS



and some of you still didn't agree to use it. SHAMEFUL.

[GoSpursGo]

well idk wtf is going on without the role list in front of me but it sounds like you guys are set

I'm just sheeping gims at this point. They're just lock town and have clearly given this more thought than I have so this can just be ~fine.

If it's jess I feel somewhat redeemed because they were in my last POE, so I'll have been truly wrong only on dubz

[gims]

we need to win with jedi moves for coolness factor

consider us aura farming

[GoSpursGo]

we need to win with jedi moves for coolness factor

consider us aura farming

We would have to sacrifice 2 townies to achieve the flashy victory, and would extend the game by 72 hours, so I'm going no Defeating a 5-person mafia in 5 days with less town kills is pretty cool!

[Porscha]

well idk wtf is going on without the role list in front of me but it sounds like you guys are set

we have a living cop
a living watcher
two living redirects
a living parrot

and all of those could have semi condemning/clearing results last night

so ye lol

and how many shots of abilities do all of those roles have btw

[gims]

and how many shots of abilities do all of those roles have btw

I think only the cop is gated LMFAO

2-shot

[GoSpursGo]

well idk wtf is going on without the role list in front of me but it sounds like you guys are set

we have a living cop
a living watcher
two living redirects
a living parrot

and all of those could have semi condemning/clearing results last night

so ye lol

and how many shots of abilities do all of those roles have btw

Of those, only the cop is capped at 2x. The rest are unlimited.

There is also a reloader so even if the cop is running on empty, the cop could potentially get reloaded

[Porscha]

and how many shots of abilities do all of those roles have btw

I think only the cop is gated LMFAO

2-shot

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say the cop probably used their shots the first 2 nights and didnt holster until last night lol. so I guess it's between 2 redirectors who may or may not have interfered with each and also the watcher?

[Porscha]

and whatever the fuck da bird doin

[gims]

and how many shots of abilities do all of those roles have btw

I think only the cop is gated LMFAO

2-shot

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say the cop probably used their shots the first 2 nights and didnt holster until last night lol. so I guess it's between 2 redirectors who may or may not have interfered with each and also the watcher?

and the parrot

[gims]

you dont know what the parrot does, do you pokemon

[Porscha]

you dont know what the parrot does, do you pokemon

ummmmmm i'll have u kno it copy ability1!!!!

[Porscha]

no bur seriously does someone remember who had the post that contained the role list once we figured out which world it was lol

[gims]

its h

[gims]

I mean I did that eons ago and trying to backread myself is worse than just checking OP posts :P

[Porscha]

i dont think it's really possible to confirm mech with 2 redirectors + parrot not knowing what ability they copy (factional kills are not abilities either, so parrot can't just "parrot" a factional night kill) so even if parrot just fucking became redirector #3 and i'm allegedly supposed to believe a watcher would also be able to accurately assess (or even be able to!) whatever cluster fuck 2-3 redirectors managed to do to get dubz shot by their own factional lol

[gims]

well they are semi guilties, not hard guilties

but theyre better than reads atp cause like

this is very needle in haystack spot

finding the last scum is ridiculously hard, its not like d1 where there were 5 of them and 3 were howling at the moon

[Porscha]

I think best case scenario is 1 redirector did all the work with no interference and the watcher is confident that scenario also happened for insert reasons I can think of but are too lazy to write

[Porscha]

aight well if it's jess I clocked that shit for the dumbest reason ever probably and if it isnt jess then I told you so

[MacDougall]

Why is everyone voting jess?

townies cant flat out say they had NA results condemning someone

leetic openvoted jess at SOD and then said this:

I'm pretty sure jess is just outed here

this was recently followed by duelist, who imo also blatantly is acting with knowledge over NAs.

so I'm deducing this means people who know whats going on at night can tell either who's mafia, or who's definitely not mafia (check duelist's defense of wilgy). so I'm just sheeping them.

I reallt dislike that no infosharing thing cuz it always leads to this cheesy telegraphing and makes games cringe.

[MacDougall]

So we chopped epi and he was town and then somehow dubz flipped mafia overnight and no town died?

Dubz did not seem mafia at all. I haven't caught up but is there flip shenanigans here or something?

We voted pyxxy but the president changed the vote outcome to epi. Assumption is president was pyxxy or Wilgy

Some sort of redirection/parrot shenanigans led to the mafia kill landing on dubz. I agree, dubz had me totally pocketed

What a meme of a game.

[MacDougall]

aight well if it's jess I clocked that shit for the dumbest reason ever probably and if it isnt jess then I told you so

I would be surprised. I am not used to such passive wolf play from her. Though I have seen her endgame as mafia loads of times so maybe I am overstating my meta understanding of her. I just expect a wolf Jess to have made it harder for town. She could have easily got me miselimmed on day 2 for eg.

[MacDougall]

So we chopped epi and he was town and then somehow dubz flipped mafia overnight and no town died?

Dubz did not seem mafia at all. I haven't caught up but is there flip shenanigans here or something?

We voted pyxxy but the president changed the vote outcome to epi. Assumption is president was pyxxy or Wilgy

Some sort of redirection/parrot shenanigans led to the mafia kill landing on dubz. I agree, dubz had me totally pocketed

What a meme of a game.

To be clear I didn't mean to aim this at the host. Wonderful guy. Just how things have transpired.

[Porscha]

aight well if it's jess I clocked that shit for the dumbest reason ever probably and if it isnt jess then I told you so

I would be surprised. I am not used to such passive wolf play from her. Though I have seen her endgame as mafia loads of times so maybe I am overstating my meta understanding of her. I just expect a wolf Jess to have made it harder for town. She could have easily got me miselimmed on day 2 for eg.

yeah idk. the only excuse I can come up with is knowing your team pretty much ended up being dead weight and it's hard to like Big Wim and it also kinda spot lights you more even if you do so then you just. chill like everybody else lmao

meh

[gims]

I would be extremely surprised if it was jess but that would force some folks to recognise they have no idea where the wolves are and should absolutely do jedi play

[gims]

*the wolf

[MacDougall]

Would be funny if wolf leetic was just like ... saying shit and everyone is accidentally assuming he implied info.

Like "I am pretty sure so and so is just outed here" is textbook wolf with no real argument areas towards someone they lazily expect town to halfway rule. I have pulled that line as mafia a hundred times probably.

[MacDougall]

I would be extremely surprised if it was jess but that would force some folks to recognise they have no idea where the wolves are and should absolutely do jedi play

Stats don't lie.

[gims]

I would be extremely surprised if it was jess but that would force some folks to recognise they have no idea where the wolves are and should absolutely do jedi play

Stats don't lie.

its one thing to POE from a bunch of wolves

its very different to pick up from all the slots we didnt murder yet

[nutella]

im pretty 50/50 on jess/wilgy

[MacDougall]

I would be extremely surprised if it was jess but that would force some folks to recognise they have no idea where the wolves are and should absolutely do jedi play

Stats don't lie.

its one thing to POE from a bunch of wolves

its very different to pick up from all the slots we didnt murder yet

I don't even really understand entirely what you meant haha. Are you referring to generally or within the context of this game? I assumed generally and that you are implying that you are one of those "mafia is random" guys haha.

[Porscha]

i'm ngl saying "pretty sure jess is outed" and providing no information to help me understand she is a wolf is unhelpful

[Porscha]

it honestly just read to me like leetic had a post or treatment from jess's iso that made her appear "outed" but then there wasn't so I sat there like. waiting. and waiting. and then nothing. lol

[MacDougall]

I am pretty sure I have called someone outed in this game and I sure as shit wasn't infoclaiming.

[Porscha]

I am pretty sure I have called someone outed in this game and I sure as shit wasn't infoclaiming.

true I think you called me outed wolf day 1

[Porscha]

little do they know, if the redirectors by pure chance happen to create a loop with the parrot and vanillizer, the wolves actually get to recruit someone who started off as town, and now me and mac are both wolves and town has no idea they are contending with an unexpected 6th wolf (except rondo, who has cop checked 2 alive wolves after 4 wolves flipped already, and there is confirmed no miller!!!)

[Porscha]

actually I think the busdriver also needs to be in that equation to create the loop

[gims]

Im voting jess precisely because theres nothing abt her play that leads anyone to call her mafia and yet two people are voting her and one of them is calling her outed

[gims]

Im voting jess precisely because theres nothing abt her play that leads anyone to call her mafia and yet two people are voting her and one of them is calling her outed

DM seems clearly informed also

[gims]

Not abt jess necessarily however