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Epignosis wrote:Posting this here in case rabbit is playing the fun card to get people to forget about the business card.
Epignosis wrote:I have a vote that says otherwise.rabbit8 wrote:Violence is never the answer.
I do not think Zombs is a 'confirmed' baddie. I think her comment simply confirmed what I think even SVS acknowledged - that no matter the wording of the will, and how much bf read into it, zombs is probably one of only a handful of roles...rabbit8 wrote:I kind of feel like you're painting BF as even worse for what he did with this post. Like you pushed the lynch on BF and want him to look worse off for it. But I can't imagine what you had to gain from doing it after what Zomba has posted. And lets face it made it even worse as she dug he grave a little deeper back there basically confirming she is a baddie.
I'll have to think some more about it.Golden wrote:There is a reason I was encouraging civs to steal SVS's will... the civs need it to be somewhere where the baddies do not know it is.
It's like bea said. Now that bf died, the target has just shifted to SVS with the will. Should we just continue to lynch everyone who votes first for the person with the will? If MM, or rabbit, or whoever votes for SVS first, does that mean they are the baddie just trying to get the will?
I'm not sure how we got here:
I do not think Zombs is a 'confirmed' baddie. I think her comment simply confirmed what I think even SVS acknowledged - that no matter the wording of the will, and how much bf read into it, zombs is probably one of only a handful of roles...rabbit8 wrote:I kind of feel like you're painting BF as even worse for what he did with this post. Like you pushed the lynch on BF and want him to look worse off for it. But I can't imagine what you had to gain from doing it after what Zomba has posted. And lets face it made it even worse as she dug he grave a little deeper back there basically confirming she is a baddie.
But her decision to work through it with llama and come out swinging and trying hard... while it could be a fabrication... feels true and civ to me.
I am not seeing the game the same way you are, thats for sure. I think the baddies in the bf vote were probably esconsed later. I don't think any of them would want to be on the hook as having voted a particular way to get an item this hotly debated this early. Like, if SVS is bad, don't you think she would know she would get this kind of heat today? Why take the risk?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Whats the point of the move though... everyone knows where the will is, it will surely just be stolen tonight??? By someone...rabbit8 wrote:Please. SVS takes risks. Keep thinking baddies never make any moves. Keep watching them dominate you.
There is a particular role on the millionaire's team that can store papers in vaults.Golden wrote:Whats the point of the move though... everyone knows where the will is, it will surely just be stolen tonight??? By someone...rabbit8 wrote:Please. SVS takes risks. Keep thinking baddies never make any moves. Keep watching them dominate you.
So, what, take a whole lot of heat to get the will, but have everyone know where it is anyway? Surely they would have been better off NOT lynching bf, trying to lynch someone else, and NKing bf.
I honestly don't think this theory checks out. It doesn't make sense to me.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Wrong gameMetalmarsh89 wrote:Linki: I think we should lynch TH tomorrow.
Right back at you.Turnip Head wrote:Wrong gameMetalmarsh89 wrote:Linki: I think we should lynch TH tomorrow.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Turnip Head wrote:You gotta risk it to get the biscuit.
Those are all good questions that I'll hopefully be able to discuss tomorrow.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Right back at you.Turnip Head wrote:Wrong gameMetalmarsh89 wrote:Linki: I think we should lynch TH tomorrow.
What do you think of SVS?
What do you think of Epig's questioning of LC?
What do you think of LC?
What makes you incapable of discussing them now?Turnip Head wrote:Those are all good questions that I'll hopefully be able to discuss tomorrow.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Right back at you.Turnip Head wrote:Wrong gameMetalmarsh89 wrote:Linki: I think we should lynch TH tomorrow.
What do you think of SVS?
What do you think of Epig's questioning of LC?
What do you think of LC?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
I don't understand this, could you rephrase?rabbit8 wrote:Golden, getting the Will and saying whats on it to have it stolen and confirmed does what? Gets he believed shes telling the truth about the will. That sir, is a purpose in itself. Think. Or you got other agendas?
That was about TH.Long Con wrote:He wants me to play Epig's mindgame first.
*cut for brevity*Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here is something that caught my eye today. First we have blindfaeth's original revelation that regarding the will.
Now this post doesn't match up with blindfaeth's statement. blindfaeth suggested he would inherit "a large sum of money". SVS stated that she would inherit "everything she has". SVS then confirmed that the "everything" meant items.
If SVS is on Zomba's team, this is a perfect result. SVS now has the will, and can manipulate its content to the rest of us if she wants.
If SVS is a civvie, I feel that events would have unfolded differently. Would she have voted for an "infodropper" early and before everyone else?
I want you to play epi's mindgame, please...Long Con wrote:He wants me to play Epig's mindgame first.
I don't think so:Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't know if baddies can transfer items around between teamies, but my guess is that the vault keeps papers safe from thieves.
thellama73 wrote:How Items Work
Some items can be used to confer benefits, some cannot. Some items will be consumed when used, some will not. Most items can be stolen. When someone is lynched, all of the items they possess go to the people who voted for them, in order. So the first vote gets the first item, etc. When someone is NKed, whoever performed the kill gets the item. Items may not be voluntarily traded between players.
How you come to another one is beyond me. Agree to disagree then.Golden wrote:I don't understand this, could you rephrase?rabbit8 wrote:Golden, getting the Will and saying whats on it to have it stolen and confirmed does what? Gets he believed shes telling the truth about the will. That sir, is a purpose in itself. Think. Or you got other agendas?
As for 'who honestly believes zombs is a civvie'.
Well I honestly do. To me, I do not come to the same conclusion you do. I come to a different one, as the most likely answer. I don't rule out she could be bad, but I just genuinely think there is another explanation I find more compelling.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Turnip Head wrote:It was not very subtle of me at all, but that doesn't make it untrue. You seem very talkative at nighttime for someone who didn't show up until 48 hours after the game started though, and very insistent that I behave the same.
rabbit8 wrote:Turnip Head wrote:It was not very subtle of me at all, but that doesn't make it untrue. You seem very talkative at nighttime for someone who didn't show up until 48 hours after the game started though, and very insistent that I behave the same.
It's not very civvie like to keep ideas out of the thread.......
Fine, because you said 'please', and in the interest of finding out where he's going: I have voted for metalmarsh before for repeatedly self-voting. Epig knows this already because it happened in the game he hosted. In that game, I posted my opinion about the repeated self-voting practice, quoting from the Film Director's game which was, I believe, my original statement on the subject on The Syndicate. The basis of this opinion was formed long ago on Lostpedia, when a player there self-voted every time on Day One.Golden wrote:I want you to play epi's mindgame, please...Long Con wrote:He wants me to play Epig's mindgame first.
I shouldn't have to be the only one whose played.
Here is something for you, though, LC. I said, on day one, that we should be very wary of voting for self-voters, because they might be the millionaire and fishing for votes to make them more powerful. Why didn't you take that into account?
Zomba. If Zomba is civ, I doubt that SVS is a baddie. But the inverse is far more likely.Dom wrote:*cut for brevity*Metalmarsh89 wrote:Here is something that caught my eye today. First we have blindfaeth's original revelation that regarding the will.
Now this post doesn't match up with blindfaeth's statement. blindfaeth suggested he would inherit "a large sum of money". SVS stated that she would inherit "everything she has". SVS then confirmed that the "everything" meant items.
If SVS is on Zomba's team, this is a perfect result. SVS now has the will, and can manipulate its content to the rest of us if she wants.
If SVS is a civvie, I feel that events would have unfolded differently. Would she have voted for an "infodropper" early and before everyone else?
would you advocate a zombi or an svs lynch first them?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Your turn.Turnip Head wrote:I understand where you're going with this Epi, and I would like to hear LC's answer to the question.
Rabbit, how many times do I have to tell you there is no such thing as civvie behaviour?rabbit8 wrote:It's not very civvie like to keep ideas out of the thread.......Turnip Head wrote:It was not very subtle of me at all, but that doesn't make it untrue. You seem very talkative at nighttime for someone who didn't show up until 48 hours after the game started though, and very insistent that I behave the same.
I said that so you would respond to him. It's Epi's turn again if we're going in order. I have my thoughts, but I still need to see where this discussion is going.Long Con wrote:Your turn.Turnip Head wrote:I understand where you're going with this Epi, and I would like to hear LC's answer to the question.
Why is it necessary for you to see where the discussion is going before you will become capable of questions that are relevant now?Turnip Head wrote:I said that so you would respond to him. It's Epi's turn again if we're going in order. I have my thoughts, but I still need to see where this discussion is going.Long Con wrote:Your turn.Turnip Head wrote:I understand where you're going with this Epi, and I would like to hear LC's answer to the question.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
I have to admit, although I fall well short of thinking that epi 'lied' about this... my recollection was that you did vote MM on day one in Roger Rabbit, so I am interested to know what epi meant when he said 'it was not exactly the same'.Long Con wrote:Epig knows all this already, and lied about not recalling me doing it before. I don't know what his angle is, or why he'd lie about it, but the fact that he lied about it makes me wary of responding the way he obviously wants me to.
Golden wrote:At RM, everyone shut up at night!
Except me. I never shut up. Is that why I always get nightkilled?
Lol, rabbit, I guess we are just seeing it a different way. You could be right, I could be right. It's just a gut feel for me.
And I see your point on SVS, although I still don't think she is bad. I'm just not seeing it, SVS is seeming very logical to me... I may not always agree with her (certainly I tried to convince her that bf wasn't bad), but nothing has struck me as not being genuine. If you are right about zombs and SVS, then :bowdowntorabbit:
I'm trying to see the game as you and BF, Golden. How am I doing?Golden wrote:Rabbit, how many times do I have to tell you there is no such thing as civvie behaviour?rabbit8 wrote:It's not very civvie like to keep ideas out of the thread.......Turnip Head wrote:It was not very subtle of me at all, but that doesn't make it untrue. You seem very talkative at nighttime for someone who didn't show up until 48 hours after the game started though, and very insistent that I behave the same.
Ummm...you were RL talking to Juliets while she was in bed?Epignosis wrote:I know juliets is in bed right now. I was talking to her in IRC about bourbon. Long Con, however, has been evading a simple question.
Turnip Head wrote:I for one welcome our new zombie and llama overlords. May their reign be long, and may their cases always be on point.
Don't wanna talk in detail at night. I obviously have thoughts. I'll be happy to talk to you come sunup. Really not that hard to grasp.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why is it necessary for you to see where the discussion is going before you will become capable of questions that are relevant now?Turnip Head wrote:I said that so you would respond to him. It's Epi's turn again if we're going in order. I have my thoughts, but I still need to see where this discussion is going.Long Con wrote:Your turn.Turnip Head wrote:I understand where you're going with this Epi, and I would like to hear LC's answer to the question.
Pretty good, actually. But, now you have to pick a best mafia bud...rabbit8 wrote:I'm trying to see the game as you and BF, Golden. How am I doing?
Golden wrote:Pretty good, actually. But, now you have to pick a best mafia bud...rabbit8 wrote:I'm trying to see the game as you and BF, Golden. How am I doing?
Is there such a thing as baddie behaviour?Golden wrote:Rabbit, how many times do I have to tell you there is no such thing as civvie behaviour?rabbit8 wrote:It's not very civvie like to keep ideas out of the thread.......Turnip Head wrote:It was not very subtle of me at all, but that doesn't make it untrue. You seem very talkative at nighttime for someone who didn't show up until 48 hours after the game started though, and very insistent that I behave the same.
Nice!rabbit8 wrote:Golden wrote:Pretty good, actually. But, now you have to pick a best mafia bud...rabbit8 wrote:I'm trying to see the game as you and BF, Golden. How am I doing?
LC.
Did you read day one, by chance?Long Con wrote:Is there such a thing as baddie behaviour?Golden wrote:Rabbit, how many times do I have to tell you there is no such thing as civvie behaviour?rabbit8 wrote:It's not very civvie like to keep ideas out of the thread.......Turnip Head wrote:It was not very subtle of me at all, but that doesn't make it untrue. You seem very talkative at nighttime for someone who didn't show up until 48 hours after the game started though, and very insistent that I behave the same.
Yes!Golden wrote:Did you read day one, by chance?Long Con wrote:Is there such a thing as baddie behaviour?Golden wrote:Rabbit, how many times do I have to tell you there is no such thing as civvie behaviour?rabbit8 wrote:It's not very civvie like to keep ideas out of the thread.......Turnip Head wrote:It was not very subtle of me at all, but that doesn't make it untrue. You seem very talkative at nighttime for someone who didn't show up until 48 hours after the game started though, and very insistent that I behave the same.
I'll have some coffee ready for you.Turnip Head wrote:Don't wanna talk in detail at night. I obviously have thoughts. I'll be happy to talk to you come sunup. Really not that hard to grasp.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why is it necessary for you to see where the discussion is going before you will become capable of questions that are relevant now?Turnip Head wrote:I said that so you would respond to him. It's Epi's turn again if we're going in order. I have my thoughts, but I still need to see where this discussion is going.Long Con wrote:Your turn.Turnip Head wrote:I understand where you're going with this Epi, and I would like to hear LC's answer to the question.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
I'm confused about this inverse thing. Are you saying that if you lynch SVS and she is civ then you doubt that I am a baddie? This is exactly what I was talking about earlier re the buddying up to me. SVS has had BTSC with me before and she knows this is something that makes me crazy. In fact, I think it's what got me NKd (as a civ) in Death Note. SVS, LC, Bea, Golden, I hope that you guys are civs and that you will listen when I tell you to STOP DEFENDING ME!!!! I will be looking at all three of you during the day tomorrow and if any of you flip bad before I die - so help me - hell hath no fury!Metalmarsh89 wrote:Dom wrote: Zomba. If Zomba is civ, I doubt that SVS is a baddie. But the inverse is far more likely.
Turnip Head wrote:I for one welcome our new zombie and llama overlords. May their reign be long, and may their cases always be on point.
Did I defend you? I don't recall doing so. I won't defend you in the future, no problemo.Zombarella wrote:I'm confused about this inverse thing. Are you saying that if you lynch SVS and she is civ then you doubt that I am a baddie? This is exactly what I was talking about earlier re the buddying up to me. SVS has had BTSC with me before and she knows this is something that makes me crazy. In fact, I think it's what got me NKd (as a civ) in Death Note. SVS, LC, Bea, Golden, I hope that you guys are civs and that you will listen when I tell you to STOP DEFENDING ME!!!! I will be looking at all three of you during the day tomorrow and if any of you flip bad before I die - so help me - hell hath no fury!Metalmarsh89 wrote:Dom wrote: Zomba. If Zomba is civ, I doubt that SVS is a baddie. But the inverse is far more likely.
As for MM and Rabbit - all this speculation is just speculation. What if....millionaire...BF lying....SVS lying....you are missing the main point of my posts (on purpose?? ) My whole problem with what BF said was how it was going to affect my role. Let's just say that I am the Millionaire, wouldn't I be wanting votes to make me stronger? How does what he said ruin that role at all? I'll tell you - it doesn't. Your logic is lazy and lazy logic leads to lynched civs.
In Roger Rabbit - the only game where I played a baddie - half our team laid low the whole game and didn't get killed until the very end. I'd bet real money that this is happening again in this game. Where is A Person or BWT, one little post here and there, just enough to get credit for posting without committing to anything?
@LC - I'm going to use my stock certificate to start a fire tonight. Your suggestion intrigued me, it's not doing me any good, and I don't want Rabbit or MM or SVS or to get anything more than a pile of ashes if they decide that I need to die.
Actually, I understand this perfectly, because I'm the one who reviewed all of SVS's interactions with players and vice versa, and determined you were a very strong candidate for her civvie BTSC partner.Zombarella wrote:I'm confused about this inverse thing. Are you saying that if you lynch SVS and she is civ then you doubt that I am a baddie? This is exactly what I was talking about earlier re the buddying up to me. SVS has had BTSC with me before and she knows this is something that makes me crazy. In fact, I think it's what got me NKd (as a civ) in Death Note. SVS, LC, Bea, Golden, I hope that you guys are civs and that you will listen when I tell you to STOP DEFENDING ME!!!! I will be looking at all three of you during the day tomorrow and if any of you flip bad before I die - so help me - hell hath no fury!Metalmarsh89 wrote:Dom wrote: Zomba. If Zomba is civ, I doubt that SVS is a baddie. But the inverse is far more likely.
A word to the wise; we should not be discussing ongoing games anywhere outside of the designated areas. Yes I realize I did this earlier.Zombarella wrote:As for MM and Rabbit - all this speculation is just speculation. What if....millionaire...BF lying....SVS lying....you are missing the main point of my posts (on purpose?? ) My whole problem with what BF said was how it was going to affect my role. Let's just say that I am the Millionaire, wouldn't I be wanting votes to make me stronger? How does what he said ruin that role at all? I'll tell you - it doesn't. Your logic is lazy and lazy logic leads to lynched civs.
In Roger Rabbit - the only game where I played a baddie - half our team laid low the whole game and didn't get killed until the very end. I'd bet real money that this is happening again in this game. Where is A Person or BWT, one little post here and there, just enough to get credit for posting without committing to anything?
@LC - I'm going to use my stock certificate to start a fire tonight. Your suggestion intrigued me, it's not doing me any good, and I don't want Rabbit or MM or SVS or to get anything more than a pile of ashes if they decide that I need to die.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Thanks. That was easy.Long Con wrote:Zomberella12 wrote:I am now going to go with Spacedaisy to her wedding dress fitting and then I have a girl scout meeting at my house and then my son's 13th birthday party. So I won't be around today so that I can respond to every possible suspicion against me so that probably makes me bad too.
Here's what I think. I think that BF might be bad and is trying to get a civ lynched or he's a civ that came in playing this game all wrong (re. Golden), got some heat, and then decided to switch the heat to me by lying or telling the truth or both. Huge question, why didn't he vote for me so that he could get the money he claims he gets when I die???
Killing someone for their money is an inherently bad thing to do. I don't think most players would want to appear that cut-throat. Perhaps it could have been done if BF had not told us about the will situation... he could have come after you, even if he's a Civvie, with secret greed motivations.
+1 I like this, that sounds like a smart way to play.Either way, I'm going to vote for him.
My game strategy going forward: I want to look at people who don't read the thread. As I baddie I knew who the civs were so I didn't have to read the thread to try to figure out who was who. On Day 2 I'm going to have an eye out for players who obviously don't know what has been said or claim to be too busy or drunk or whatever to catch up. I'm busy, and I've read all 18 pages of this damn thing! So there!
Zomba out.
This is my official "buddying up to Zomba" post, just to make it easier for later when someone accuses me of it.
Turnip Head wrote:I for one welcome our new zombie and llama overlords. May their reign be long, and may their cases always be on point.