The Flash: Battle for the Gem Cities (Day 12)

[Marmot]

Where exactly are Timmer and TH? f they don't show up soon, I'll be tempted to vote TH myself

What other player are you tempted to vote for otherwise?

I'm literally torn between the two sides that are forming here. I feel like I've lost touch with this game, and I'm just skating by, being influenced by anyone who says anything. This saddens me, because I don't like playing like that, but it is what it is.
Again, the thing that's making me not vote you, is llama vouching for you. I wonder now, if TH was trying to discredit llama when he asked why I'm giving his opinions so much credit

That's what I wonder too.

Bass also wants Sophie lynched, but he wants to lynch me first, specifically. He seems convinced that Sophie and I are tied together and baddies together, which is untrue. But, it is noteworthy that llama has vouched for Sophie on more than one occasion. Then there is also this post from Bass.

Yeah new rouges, my bad. Yeah I'm not sure aboout TH and I think BR is making a good case but everyone is voting Timmer not TH. The reason I think its a save is because I think MM is bad I also think Sophie is bad.

I mean, I think it's obvious who Sophie is (also based on some other circumstances in the thread). But Bass says he thinks I am being "saved"? Four players are currently voting timmer. There is Devin, who Bass is not suspicious of at all. There is Sophie, who I've already mentioned above. There is llama who is a confirmed Detective. And then there is my vote.

So who exactly is saving me that could be a New Rogue?

[Turnip Head]

I voted the marmot for now, he said he should be back from his backpedaling trip tomorrow so that leaves him plenty of time to participate

Why did you vote for the marmot?

To see how you and others reacted to it. And while I do find your defense sincere, I don't get why votes swung Timmer's way as a response. LC said it would suck to get lynched like that so he switched to Timmer. I don't see how that's any different from lynching MM because LC didn't give reasons for switching to Timmer.

As for me and Timmer defending each other, Timmer hasn't really defended me at all until his deduction that I'm not the Top. I don't know why my defense of Timmer concerns you then. He's the player I currently feel is least likely to be a New Rogue ,and New Rogues are who I'm trying to lynch.

FZ I'm not trying to discredit Llama's opinions. I'm trying to figure out why you are treating his opinions as if they are backed by info. From what I know of your play in Death Note and Llama's play in the same game, I was expecting you to be reacting to Llama differently.

[Marmot]

I voted the marmot for now, he said he should be back from his backpedaling trip tomorrow so that leaves him plenty of time to participate

Why did you vote for the marmot?

To see how you and others reacted to it. And while I do find your defense sincere, I don't get why votes swung Timmer's way as a response. LC said it would suck to get lynched like that so he switched to Timmer. I don't see how that's any different from lynching MM because LC didn't give reasons for switching to Timmer.

As for me and Timmer defending each other, Timmer hasn't really defended me at all until his deduction that I'm not the Top. I don't know why my defense of Timmer concerns you then. He's the player I currently feel is least likely to be a New Rogue ,and New Rogues are who I'm trying to lynch.

FZ I'm not trying to discredit Llama's opinions. I'm trying to figure out why you are treating his opinions as if they are backed by info. From what I know of your play in Death Note and Llama's play in the same game, I was expecting you to be reacting to Llama differently.

LC hasn't voted at all yet, but yes, his stated opinions give that vibe.

What do you think about Bass?

[Turnip Head]

My opinion of Bass might change depending on how some people flip and if Llama ever answers the question about checking Roxy or not, but he seems okay to me so far. I wish he could back his opinions up with something other than vagueness though.

[FZ.]

I voted the marmot for now, he said he should be back from his backpedaling trip tomorrow so that leaves him plenty of time to participate

Why did you vote for the marmot?

To see how you and others reacted to it. And while I do find your defense sincere, I don't get why votes swung Timmer's way as a response. LC said it would suck to get lynched like that so he switched to Timmer. I don't see how that's any different from lynching MM because LC didn't give reasons for switching to Timmer.

As for me and Timmer defending each other, Timmer hasn't really defended me at all until his deduction that I'm not the Top. I don't know why my defense of Timmer concerns you then. He's the player I currently feel is least likely to be a New Rogue ,and New Rogues are who I'm trying to lynch.

FZ I'm not trying to discredit Llama's opinions. I'm trying to figure out why you are treating his opinions as if they are backed by info. From what I know of your play in Death Note and Llama's play in the same game, I was expecting you to be reacting to Llama differently.

llama's personal opinions mean nothing to me. He has the same likelihood of finding baddies as any of us, based only on opinions. But if I understood correctly, he has connections to someone who does have information, and since that person can't come forth, I rely on what llama has to say for that info.

Maybe we're reading it all wrong. Maybe the detectives don't have BTSC at all. Llama's been a different llama ever since he came back. He's not really doing much to help. I don't get it.


Both TH and MM are giving me good vibes when I talk to them. So either I'm a complete fool, which is highly likely, or we need to be looking elsewhere.

[FZ.]

TH, do you really believe MM is bad?

[Marmot]

My opinion of Bass might change depending on how some people flip and if Llama ever answers the question about checking Roxy or not, but he seems okay to me so far. I wish he could back his opinions up with something other than vagueness though.

But what do you think of him at this moment, regardless of who is lynched today and how they flip? What are your current thoughts from which your opinion might change from?

[FZ.]

I need to go to bed. I need people to convince me, because I'm lost

[FZ.]

My opinion of Bass might change depending on how some people flip and if Llama ever answers the question about checking Roxy or not, but he seems okay to me so far. I wish he could back his opinions up with something other than vagueness though.

But what do you think of him at this moment, regardless of who is lynched today and how they flip? What are your current thoughts from which your opinion might change from?

Do you think Bass is bad?

[FZ.]

I'm falling asleep. I hate that the end of the day is always when I'm asleep. I'm voting Bass. No one is here, and I can't vote for neither Timmer nor MM. I think Bass could have known Roxy was CC and used it to appear good in our eyes

[Bass_the_Clever]

FZ you just need to have faith. If you are trying to help the old rouges win then you should vote MM. He really has helped all game and has been hiding behind the silenced and cursed thing. Now that he is under fire he is trying to make cases.

[Marmot]

I need to go to bed. I need people to convince me, because I'm lost

Go with your gut. I seem to be the only other one online at the moment, and as much as I would love to tell you where to vote, I think you've brought enough points forward today that you can make an educated vote yourself.

Linki: I'm starting to think so, yes. There isn't a lot to go on because Bass doesn't post much, but I don't understand the ploy he is making today, and find it hard to think of a way to see it being civilian. He told LC that his role is rather obvious, but I really don't understand how it is. Sophie's seems obvious to me, yet Bass wants to lynch Sophie.

[Bass_the_Clever]

I'm falling asleep. I hate that the end of the day is always when I'm asleep. I'm voting Bass. No one is here, and I can't vote for neither Timmer nor MM. I think Bass could have known Roxy was CC and used it to appear good in our eyes

Really FZ??? Way to not make a stand. Now you dont have blood on your hands so the new rouges or the old rouges won't be mad at you because you just threw your vote away.

[Marmot]

FZ you just need to have faith. If you are trying to help the old rouges win then you should vote MM. He really has helped all game and has been hiding behind the silenced and cursed thing. Now that he is under fire he is trying to make cases.

I have never been silenced, nor have I claimed to be.

You said earlier I have not been helping the civvies.



I'm actually going to follow FZ and switch my vote to Bass. I think he is being dishonest.

[Bass_the_Clever]

You know what I am also going to go ahead a vote myself as well because it will show people they should listen to me.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Now if Ii get lynched and you guys see whats up you should lynch MM first then Sophie second.

[Sophie]

Ill switch to bass, too
he is hinting he has info on MM, as when he says he is "95% sure". He is either lying or a very confused civvie. I lean to he is lying.

[Sophie]

Now if Ii get lynched and you guys see whats up you should lynch MM first then Sophie second.

Why are you only contemplating the scenario in were we both are bad? could it be that we are both good?

[Bass_the_Clever]

I think I solved a tilde puzzle for Dr. Alchemy
"Can use his Philosopher’s Stone to observe up to three different players per game. For each player he checks, he gains their power for a time, but they are also given a random power"

[Bass_the_Clever]

Working on some more we don't have done yet.

[Marmot]

I think I solved a tilde puzzle for Dr. Alchemy
"Can use his Philosopher’s Stone to observe up to three different players per game. For each player he checks, he gains their power for a time, but they are also given a random power"

Time does not work because there is no E in the original statement. The rest I agree with.

[Bass_the_Clever]

I think I solved a tilde puzzle for Dr. Alchemy
"Can use his Philosopher’s Stone to observe up to three different players per game. For each player he checks, he gains their power for a time, but they are also given a random power"

Time does not work because there is no E in the original statement. The rest I agree with.

I dont know what else would work there.

[Bass_the_Clever]

The host has missed some letters before.

[Marmot]

The host has missed some letters before.

True.

[Bass_the_Clever]

MM let me ask you this. Why is sophie vouching for you so much?

[Marmot]

MM let me ask you this. Why is sophie vouching for you so much?

Because she is a darling.

What do you think of TH?

[Bass_the_Clever]

MM let me ask you this. Why is sophie vouching for you so much?

Because she is a darling.

What do you think of TH?

I have no read on him. I know he was busy with champs game so I didn't read to much into his post.

[S~V~S]

I am curious about something; when I got my role PM, I was told by the host what my power was, how it worked, etc., and was ALSO told, that should a certain thing happen, that things could change.

Did anyone else have that in their role PM, a qualification?

I am OK with my vote where it is. I think MM being the controller makes sense.

[Marmot]

MM let me ask you this. Why is sophie vouching for you so much?

Because she is a darling.

What do you think of TH?

I have no read on him. I know he was busy with champs game so I didn't read to much into his post.

What if I told you I have (yet another) theory.

What if the person to inherit Grodd's kill is the player who voted for him first in the lynch?

Linki: No such statement in my role pm.

[Bass_the_Clever]

MM let me ask you this. Why is sophie vouching for you so much?

Because she is a darling.

What do you think of TH?

I have no read on him. I know he was busy with champs game so I didn't read to much into his post.

What if I told you I have (yet another) theory.

What if the person to inherit Grodd's kill is the player who voted for him first in the lynch?

Linki: No such statement in my role pm.

What made you come up with that theory? I have never played in a game where something like that happen.

[Marmot]

MM let me ask you this. Why is sophie vouching for you so much?

Because she is a darling.

What do you think of TH?

I have no read on him. I know he was busy with champs game so I didn't read to much into his post.

What if I told you I have (yet another) theory.

What if the person to inherit Grodd's kill is the player who voted for him first in the lynch?

Linki: No such statement in my role pm.

What made you come up with that theory? I have never played in a game where something like that happen.

That came from Harry Stephen Keeler, where when a player is lynched, the first person to vote for that player gets the item that player was holding.

[S~V~S]

And what if it was the last person to vote for him?

[Marmot]

And what if it was the last person to vote for him?

Then BR self-targted with a mind-control. I guess it's possible.

[Marmot]

I am curious about something; when I got my role PM, I was told by the host what my power was, how it worked, etc., and was ALSO told, that should a certain thing happen, that things could change.

Did anyone else have that in their role PM, a qualification?

I am OK with my vote where it is. I think MM being the controller makes sense.

There is only one role with question marks listed after the role description.

[S~V~S]

I am curious about something; when I got my role PM, I was told by the host what my power was, how it worked, etc., and was ALSO told, that should a certain thing happen, that things could change.

Did anyone else have that in their role PM, a qualification?

I am OK with my vote where it is. I think MM being the controller makes sense.

There is only one role with question marks listed after the role description.

No it was not question marks, It was something not in the role description, just a qualifier, like an FYI. "If _____________ happens, then _____________"

Just curious if anyone else had anything like that.

[S~V~S]

I asked him to clarify it for me, and he did. Like I said, just curious. Kinda like the question I asked Timmer.

[Sophie]

no, svs, not in my case

[Bass_the_Clever]

Sophie who are your top three suspects and why.

[Turnip Head]

My opinion of Bass might change depending on how some people flip and if Llama ever answers the question about checking Roxy or not, but he seems okay to me so far. I wish he could back his opinions up with something other than vagueness though.

But what do you think of him at this moment, regardless of who is lynched today and how they flip? What are your current thoughts from which your opinion might change from?

He's playing differently than he did as Bass 1.0 and he's not giving himself any sort of longevity with his current playstyle if he's wrong about things. I don't see the baddie motivations for his behavior because if he's wrong he's likely to get lynched next. Actually he's getting lynched right NOW for it. Can you explain how his play makes sense if he's bad?

[Marmot]

My opinion of Bass might change depending on how some people flip and if Llama ever answers the question about checking Roxy or not, but he seems okay to me so far. I wish he could back his opinions up with something other than vagueness though.

But what do you think of him at this moment, regardless of who is lynched today and how they flip? What are your current thoughts from which your opinion might change from?

He's playing differently than he did as Bass 1.0 and he's not giving himself any sort of longevity with his current playstyle if he's wrong about things. I don't see the baddie motivations for his behavior because if he's wrong he's likely to get lynched next. Actually he's getting lynched right NOW for it. Can you explain how his play makes sense if he's bad?

Perhaps my question was clear the first two times.

Do you think that Bass is civilian-friendly or not?

[Marmot]

EBWOP: Was NOT clear.

[Long Con]

This lynch is not going to end well. I don't think that Metalmarsh is The Top. I do believe Bass' role claim. MY biggest suspects right now are Timmer, Turnip Head, and to a lesser extent, Soneji, FZ, and Sophie.

There isn't a vote I can cast that will save Metalmarsh unless I vote for Bass, but there's just no point to voting Bass. If I don't vote Bass, I might as well vote Metalmarsh, because Bass will surely switch his vote.

I'll vote for Timmer, sorry MM, but we don't need Dr Alchemy dead.

[Long Con]

Ha! Bass switched back as I posted that.

[Marmot]

Ha! Bass switched back as I posted that.

As I suspected would happen.

Well, I'm switching my vote back to timmer.

[Bass_the_Clever]

I also missed the vote because I was watching mad men.

[Marmot]

I also missed the vote because I was watching mad men.

You missed it?

[Bass_the_Clever]

This lynch is not going to end well. I don't think that Metalmarsh is The Top. I do believe Bass' role claim. MY biggest suspects right now are Timmer, Turnip Head, and to a lesser extent, Soneji, FZ, and Sophie.

There isn't a vote I can cast that will save Metalmarsh unless I vote for Bass, but there's just no point to voting Bass. If I don't vote Bass, I might as well vote Metalmarsh, because Bass will surely switch his vote.

I'll vote for Timmer, sorry MM, but we don't need Dr Alchemy dead.

So if I'm right about MM you must also be bad.

[Black Rock]

Well I hope you guys are right about MM and he gets it. I am super comfortable with my vote on TH and don't understand why he seems to be trusted or no one really wants to look at him. If he's not the Top I still think he's bad.

[Long Con]

This lynch is not going to end well. I don't think that Metalmarsh is The Top. I do believe Bass' role claim. MY biggest suspects right now are Timmer, Turnip Head, and to a lesser extent, Soneji, FZ, and Sophie.

There isn't a vote I can cast that will save Metalmarsh unless I vote for Bass, but there's just no point to voting Bass. If I don't vote Bass, I might as well vote Metalmarsh, because Bass will surely switch his vote.

I'll vote for Timmer, sorry MM, but we don't need Dr Alchemy dead.

So if I'm right about MM you must also be bad.

Actually, that was "we" as in "everyone in the game". I thought that would be obvious, especially to you. You just want to survive. I think every Indy Rogue should have solved their own tildes in the thread long ago, we could have narrowed things down a LOT more, way earlier.

[Sophie]

lc, why do you think bass is dr alchemy? if thats what you are saying

bass, i ve been suspish of rabbit of a long time and the fact he didnt appear in quite a while confirm this (unless he was replaced, wich i totally missed), im not sure i trust all of timmer claims, and i think br might be right and TH might be tops.

im more sure about people i trust than to people i dont, and this lynch is gonna go bad if mm gets lynched. i wish i could have changed my vote to timmer.