[ENDGAME] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

[fingersplints]

I don't understand why Golden trusts nijuu. I still find her suspicious.

My vote will probably go to Nutella. She kept saying about how she was waiting for my responses but when I asked she didn't bother to respond with what specifically she wanted me to respond with. For that reason I don't believe that she really suspects me but that she is going with that suspicion because it is convenient. And she has already backed off some so if I am lynched she can say that she was reconsidering it.

[fingersplints]

actually since they are changeable I will place it there now.

Also I forgot to say RIP Canuck!

[Sloonei]

RIP Canuck. WB Sloonei. I'll take your suggestion and vote for my top suspect which is still Splints.
Since Golden appears to be silenced, are you still going to push heavily for a Niju lynch without hearing his side of things? He seemed to have reason to trust her, and I'm inclined to trust what he says.

I will resume my suspicion of her and state my case as loudly as I please, and if others would prefer not to vote for her fight now then so be it. There's more than once scum left in this game.

[Sloonei]

Which no-show do people think is most likely to be scum?

[Sloonei]

My last post before dying:

At this point I want to restate that my top suspect going into today is ninja and my biggest points about her all involve her interactions with sig and g-man.
After her, I could go for Black Rock, and I like Scotty's recent line of questioning toward Nutella.

the nutella case is not as fresh in my mind, but Day 6 Sloon seemed to see something in her. I'll look into it.

[Sloonei]

While sitting on the sidelines, i started to feel better (more town) about splints and slightly worse about Golden, though he's still om the green end of my rainbow. Jay has been neutral since he showed up, but i'll look more closely at him soon. For now I'd just ask who his top suspects are.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think I know what role Golden has assigned to ninja. I don't know how he came to that conclusion, but it seems pretty obvious through the context clues in his post history. And the fact that he's [probably] silenced despite being ninja's loudest supporter should be a good reflection on ninja, right? All of these dynamics are muddied with two mafia teams, but I think that needs to be acknowledged still.

[Sloonei]

I think I know what role Golden has assigned to ninja. I don't know how he came to that conclusion, but it seems pretty obvious through the context clues in his post history. And the fact that he's [probably] silenced despite being ninja's loudest supporter should be a good reflection on ninja, right? All of these dynamics are muddied with two mafia teams, but I think that needs to be acknowledged still.

I do not think this reflects on ninja in any way, because two mafia teams. We have no idea who's doing the silencing. It could even be one of our independent friends.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think I know what role Golden has assigned to ninja. I don't know how he came to that conclusion, but it seems pretty obvious through the context clues in his post history. And the fact that he's [probably] silenced despite being ninja's loudest supporter should be a good reflection on ninja, right? All of these dynamics are muddied with two mafia teams, but I think that needs to be acknowledged still.

I do not think this reflects on ninja in any way, because two mafia teams. We have no idea who's doing the silencing. It could even be one of our independent friends.

It could be. When I look at the players who have [theoretically] been silenced though, they all seem to be players exhibiting distinctly and loudly pro-town behavior, which would suggest an anti-town silencer. Apparently independents aren't inherently anti-town around here, so my brain tells me mafia is more likely. There being two mafia teams is still a wrench in the gears of this theory though, I grant that. Given this wrinkle in the ninja case, I don't think she should be lynched unless there is an overwhelming and evidence-based case that be mounted against her right now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

While sitting on the sidelines, i started to feel better (more town) about splints and slightly worse about Golden, though he's still om the green end of my rainbow. Jay has been neutral since he showed up, but i'll look more closely at him soon. For now I'd just ask who his top suspects are.

I'll get back to you once I've done my research. Why do you feel better about fingersplints?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm weirded out to be talking with Sloonei in this game right now. I only remember two RYM games ever with resurrection capability; it seems to be more normal here.

[Sloonei]

While sitting on the sidelines, i started to feel better (more town) about splints and slightly worse about Golden, though he's still om the green end of my rainbow. Jay has been neutral since he showed up, but i'll look more closely at him soon. For now I'd just ask who his top suspects are.

I'll get back to you once I've done my research. Why do you feel better about fingersplints?

I do not know yet. After I was killed I started spectating without any of the normal tensions and anxieties that come with playing the game, and I started to get positive vibes from her posts. There might not be anything to it, i plan on looking into all these things more closely later.

[Sloonei]

I'm weirded out to be talking with Sloonei in this game right now. I only remember two RYM games ever with resurrection capability; it seems to be more normal here.

i am equally weirded out to be here. I keep expecting itnto be revealed that this was all a mistake and i'm still dead.

[Sloonei]

This is my latest niju case, from 2 weeks ago. I want to revive it now so that people can review and respond to it while I work on an updated version.

new nijuukyugou ISO, this time with tunnel vision turned on.
As I've mentioned in pretty much every post I've made since last night, my new concern is that Ninja's interactions with both G-man and sig (both dead Lloyd Webber team members) do not paint her in a very favorable light. This is a stark contrast to my original read of her, where was an overwhelming town read. I'm discarding my previous read entirely and starting anew. This theory is still in its early stages and I'm not entirely convinced of it myself, but it's something that absolutely warrants a closer look.

Spoiler: show

Oh good god, four pages on Day 0. Already gonna be a lot more talky than in Bible Mafia, I see. And the threat of more technicolor lists. Super :P

Comments on what's been commented on:
Voting newbie players on Day 1? I don't think I have much of an opinion on it. I don't actively avoid it, but I also don't actively go after new people in particular, as I do want them to stay. Hello, new people!
I'd like to see where these buddy-buddy so-called "truces" will end up (or is it just one "truce" between MP and his buddy?), but I personally think it's nothing right now.

That's all I can think of to say at the moment. No strong opinions on anyone just yet.

Gets he feet wet by commenting on a couple of issues in the game, but does not offer any particular reads on anyone, other than to say the "truce" thing between MP and Devin was "nothing", which amounts to, well, nothing.

Spoiler: show

Mmmmk somewhat caught up. I'd say remind me not to leave the thread for too long so I don't have 4 pages to read, but I'll inevitably do it again.

I don't get the Hedgeowl suspicion at all. She posted while catching up and gave her input on a couple main discussions. None of her posts look particularly bad to me, just kind of average minimal-but-sufficient participation. I guess I understood LC's point (though it was regarding SVS) about commenting on issues rather than players, but Hedgie gave her views on LC/Epi/SVS so that doesn't really apply. I don't know, she could be hiding behind that type of participation (I haven't played many games with her but isn't it kind of her norm?) but I just don't really see the reasons for suspecting her, they seem contrived.

I could see SVS as bad. I mean, SVS is always bad

Agreed (at least the part about Hedgeowl suspicion). I think it was good of TH to search her like he did, but I disagree that it's baddie behavior from her. I don't think his suspicion was contrived.

Dragon D. Luffy has been replaced by Cancucklehead. She cannot be lynched today.

what are you so scared of, little puppy?

You didn't witness the maelstrom of deceit that was Canucklehead in Roger Rabbit.

They still whisper about it in Toontown.

(Just kidding, Canuck - I was actually very excited to see your name!)

Consequently, my mafia game, which is often defined by a high volume of posts, will be affected this game. I will be much more likely to pop in less frequently, which will increase my already notoriously long posts probably much more so, and make my style seem more like a cross of Blooper-esque, Epi-esque, and MP-esque, rather than straight-up MP-esque combination of frequency and volume.

I'm an -esque!! I'm so touched

Blooper, you note in this post multiple "truces", but ask the question whether there is just one thereafter. Devin and I never agreed to a truce. Just wanted to clear that up.

You specifically note you have "no strong opinions". If that is the case, do you have weak opinions? If so, what are they?

Fair enough. I just saw a lot of (mostly jokingly it seems) buddy-buddy Day 0 stuff, so I figured I'd comment on it. I'm notoriously bad at getting lost in the first several days of larger games because of the sheer volume of people, so I'm trying a new thing called "comment about SOMETHING, whatever it is" to at least keep a placeholder. So far, not doing so hot. But hey, here I am!

As for my opinions (and the actual contributory points of this post), I have a few opinions. I never trust Epi, but damn I do love actually playing a game with him, and whatever my vibes are right now, I'm feeling all right about him today. This means that I think he's genuinely baddie hunting, and I think both of his suspicions of LC and SVS are fairly sound (I almost said interesting but I know better than to use that now :P). I think LC's response to Epi's going after him looks too defensive to me. I think my general view of SVS is that she gets defensive regardless of alignment, which makes her hard to read, but I agree with others (can't remember exactly who) that suddenly defending the whole "interesting" argument in the manner she did was suspicious. So, there's that.

I don't have a good read of the new people in here, but I'm glad to see some fresh meat (at least to the Syndicate). It certainly makes for some...fascinating gameplay.

Her response to MP here reads a little bit like backtracking/covering her tracks. She admits to misrepresenting (whether intentionally or not) the truth in regards to her earlier post about the truce discussion and also provides an excuse for herself to get off to a slow start. However, she then starts to provide a few reads. However however, as has been noted a bunch of times throughout this game, with two scum teams, the baddies should be doing about as much scum hunting as the townies in this game, so her observations that Epi 1.0 seemed to be "genuinely baddie hunting" and that "LC's response looks too defensive" could just as likely have been made by a baddie, presumably a non-Wildhorn one. The three names she mentions here (Epi, SVS, Long Con) were the three that everyone had an opinion of on Day 1, so it would have been nice to see Ninja dig a little deeper for reads here. Not feeling as good about this post as I was before, but that's gonna be a common theme right now. The next read she offers is on Cobalt, the other player everyone had an opinion of Day 1:

Spoiler: show

@Bass I was also a little weirded out by Cobalt implying that because he was super-civ important player in a previous game, then he is totally civ this game, but I forgot to mention it (I knew there was SOMETHING about SOME new person to me that I had seen). But for now I'd just like to keep my eye on him.

Do you believe he was trying to convince he was a civilian, or do you believe what he said about just wanting to let everyone know he's not a new player?

My vibe is that I think he's playing the civ card hard. A little too hard.

Spoiler: show

The bad news is, I've been without internet access since last night due to traveling, power outages, and, y'know, socially interacting with people that I've traveled to see in real life (might need to get my priorities in order). This means I haven't had much of a chance to read through the thread as much as I'd like before the poll ends (I am still socializing after all :P ) or go back and look at something like I promised someone (I can't even remember who I promised this to. Long day).

The good news is, for the first time in my mafia-playing career, I have decent suspicion from what I have been able to gather of all three of the top vote-getters in this thread, and I'm okay with voting any of them, which is...a miracle. The question is, who do I want to pick?

I have been able to read a bit. Cobalt's made me itchy, and I read over the last page and the opportunistic vote switch. I'd still like to analyze him more closely if I get the chance. SVS has been highly, HIGHLY defensive and has weirdly voted for herself, which is something I'm not used to (the self-voting, not the defensiveness), so slightly mixed feelings but very much leaning bad. But tonight, I think I want to make things...interesting. I also like Epi's case and interaction with LC - like it in the way that I think it points to LC as a baddie. Epi's a manipulative bastard, but he's a manipulative bastard giving me good vibes, and I wanna see what happens when I press the big red button that no one should press (and by that I mean make the votes closer right now).

So I'm gonna vote LC.

Linki - Silence broken!

I can't help but now read this post as her leaving the door open on all three lynch possibilities, creating the freedom for herself to vote any one of the three lynch candidates from that day. The bigger middle paragraph where she runs through her reasoning about all three feels a bit contrived and doesn't seem to fit as well with her previous statement that she's excited to have "decent suspicion" of all three and is "okay with voting any of them". Immediately after saying this, she expresses that she's not actually okay with voting Cobalt, waffles a bit on SVS, and ultimately settles on Long Con because she "likes Epi's case". I feel like a town Ninja would not have been so quick to make a decision here, even with changeable votes. Her later comments about doing it for the "interesting reactions" also now comes back to me as not particularly fitting with the tone of this post, as it is suggested here that she at least feigned careful reasoning before voting, and was not just doing it to provoke others. Here it is:

Spoiler: show

@ Sloonei I've played with someone who would always vote for themselves after to many people became suspicious I don't think it is a good mafia method but one person has in the past fooled me bydoing that and I've seen two others do the same, it is a mindgame which always makes me think they are mafia trying to make themselves seem like civilians.


Nijuuk if your wary of SVS why not vote for her? I'm not understanding your vote

Because I wanted to make it interesting. I'm wary of all three of the top candidates and am okay with any and all getting votes. (PS you can call me Nijuu or Blooper if you want)

I am no longer buying this excuse. When I asked her about it, she responded affirmatively:

Also would you say things have been made more interesting by your LC vote, Blooperstranger?

Oh, quite! It's garnered some good reactions.

But then it took her a few days to follow up on it, and when she did there wasn't really much evidence to back up the claim:

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In general, after my LC vote Day 1, people seemed to flip out and start changing votes, but that is often the norm here on TS with changeable votes. However, it was specific reactions that got my attention. First, it gave me (and others in their analyses) my first real ping of sig, who was the first to freak out and try to call me bad for mixing things up when I did. He freaked the FUCK OUT (and I laughed so, so hard). Honestly, it also made me look a bit in your direction since you freaked out about a possible tie, but that was a mafia cultural difference that you explained. nutella switched her vote soon after from SVS to Cobalt. Golden changed his vote a few times to break the tie. Hedgeowl and Gumshoe came in last minute and voted. Cobalt tried to say he would've switched yadda yadda yadda (I've already said this twice). Looking at this now several days later, it's not as much of a great analyzing point as I'd like it to be, and the "good reactions" I mentioned were rather more amusing than informative, but there's the raw data of what went down that day.

I'm still itchy about Cobalt, especially since his activity has died down considerably these past few days. His two posts for today were either nonsense about G-Man's supposed threat to being voted or about getting back into the game when his RL stuff dies down. The RL stuff might be true and I hope it's not terrible! but his participation has been little more than "DIE LC" and getting angrily defensive when he has been here, so I'd like to see what he means by getting back in "full force." I am a bit wary of nutella based on behavior (I had mentioned she seemed more serious than what I'd experienced as her civ self in the past) and that vote switch from Day 1, but then I look at her vote record - she has voted for people on both mafia teams. However, for some reason I'd thought she'd voted earlier in the LC and sig lynches, which is what really held me back, but she seems to have voted when they were pretty much a done deal (aside from vote switching mechanics). So I guess what I'm saying is that I need to look back at her again and she could still be a baddie.

I know that's not what you guys are talking about currently in the thread at this hour, but I figured I'd get these thoughts out while they were in my head and to make myself tired enough to go to sleep (and because Guess Who might start tomorrow, which will likely alter my concentration and participation in this game). However, I will at least comment about vote analysis in finding baddies - it freaking works. It caught us BAD in Biblical, as Golden attests so I'm glad to see it being used and discussed here

For the record, I'm still not tired. Maybe I'll try reading myself to sleep.

I especially disagree with her when she says sig's reaction to her vote gave many people their "first real ping" about him. I know I first became suspicious of sig because of the way he handled his own vote that day. I did not even become wary of his response to niju's vote until after he had been lynched and I looked back through his posts, and the only reason it stood out to me was because of how strange he was acting towards niju in particular. I think it's also worth noting that she makes absolutely no mention of that sig ping in her big huge follow up post. She does spend a lot of time telling us why Cobalt is bad, though.

Spoiler: show

Well, I am late for this party, but I am laughing profusely at the thread

I don't plan on changing my mind about what I believe to be Cobalt's alignment, but I suppose it would be prudent to look at...others. I will determine what others I want to focus on at a later time, as I simply want a placeholder/check-back-in post right now and I'm exhausted from moving boxes up three flights of stairs in nearly 100 degree weather, but I digress. Back later to read back and post in more detail.

Linki - Ohhhh man gotta love the picture posts

Still no mention of sig...

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I gotta stop doing this to myself. But moving takes so. Much. Time. Here we go.

So I've tabbed quotes from people that I agree with and/or find interesting (I'll make it clear what I think about them as I go). Sometimes I'm sad I wasn't there in real time to respond, but thems the breaks. I'll also comment on general things that have been discussed.

Coablt's discussion has been totally about role descriptions.... you can choose to believe or disbelieve him.

You obviously have the final say on this, Dom, so I'll move along. I'll just say that I don't like his play, and that if he is a civ, his actions have more likely hurt than helped the cause, imo.

I agree so, so much with this and with your longer post from before. I still think Cobalt is baddie bad bad, but in the offchance in my mind that he is civ, he is NOT playing a very civ-friendly game. His insanified posts are rather amusing, though.

I enjoyed the G-Man pictures (might be because I saw a few of them in Economics but wasn't actually in the game). In fact, I seem to enjoy reading G-Man's posts regardless, especially knowing his identity as Balaam (he humored my request for more ass jokes ). I hope you keep some of your pictures! But speaking of G-Man (or another of his former alter-ego players),

So I went back to look at timing.

Epi dies. Epi replaces in. Epi has (I think) only two posts - one where he says 'I know who killed me' and one where he says 'my suspicions haven't changed'. Then TGG asks to be subbed out.

I honestly think it's very consistent with someone who was part of a team that killed epi, that they killed them for cause, and was upset when he was able to sub back in and express the particular sentiments that he did. I think G-Man and LC are a team. I feel less sure that bubbles is, but she definitely could be.

Does it suck that someone subbing out on a matter of principle could sink a team? Yes. But this is why you should always keep your cool in mafia. I guarantee you, when people complain about things being unfair in this game, it's almost always mafia. Because they perceive it has harmed their chances. I don't think Epi's views necessarily held great weight, and I think the reaction to him subbing back in provides a whole lot more information about how important they believed killing epi to be.

This is a fascinating analysis and, since Epi seems to be silenced and absent, dare I say interesting thought process. I like the ideas posed here (about TGG perhaps getting frustrated and mafia getting frustrated in general). It's a bit of a stretch but entirely possible. However, I'd like to give G-Man the BOTD for today at least since he's a totally different player than TGG. We'll see how it goes.

I REALLY want to hear more from row 3. So...calling MM, sig, njuu, nutella, and Turnip! Anything to report??

Roger that. I read and re-read your post about the messages, but my eyesight tends to start going double the more tired I get and, therefore, I get lost in longer analysis posts (this might be why I enjoy the G-Man pics - easier to read!). What information/analysis are you requesting, exactly? I'm happy to help where I can.

As for suspicions beyond Cobalt, I'm still game for LC (it's been a while and I got super distracted by Cobalt, but I liked and agreed with Epi's suspicion and analysis Day 1). TB (I don't really like calling her that, because it looks like tuberculosis so let's go with TBubbles instead) is an enigma but I'm getting some weird vibes. I keep flip-flopping on how I feel about her, TBH. One moment I was just about to post how I felt she was weird for voting LC instead of Cobalt because she thought the "bandwagon was scummy," and then I re-read that and think, "Oh wait, that's actually logical." So maybe it's just a vibe thing (I'm using that word a lot this game, I notice), although my gut is usually pretty good in mafia. I suppose I should say I have mixed feelings about ol' TBubbles - I feel bad if she's civ and she's feeling so frustrated with this game that she's self-voted, but on the other hand she's been saying "I'm civ! I'm civ!" the entire game without giving us any other reason to believe it beyond that. Plus I don't care for self-votes. But TBubbles, I hope you're not too frustrated, and I'm sorry you're not having much fun - I hope you stay and know that suspicion is nothing personal! Also, nutella seems a lot more serious and a little more biting in this game than I remember, and I'm pretty sure she's been civ in the other games I've played. So there's that. I'll probably give her another good look. Hope you had fun with Blooper stream-of-consciousness hour (and by that I mean I apologize for any discomfort it may have caused). Any questions before we move on?

Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 has replaced Metalmarsh89. As a result, Metalmarsh89 cannot be lynched today.

I laughed out loud at this for real

I don't recognise myself with that avatar. Where is my golden one!

You and me both, buddy. I keep looking for Blooper to see my last post on a page and it's confusing as fuck.

Lots of suspects, but still none named sig. She does offer support of Golden's G-man/Gamerguy theory, but she also remarks that it's "a bit of a stretch" and that she wants to give G-man a pass for a day. Perhaps setting herself up to begin bussing a teammate later on, but not right away. Because we can lynch Cobalt first (I'm aware I've just done a 180 from my previous stance on her "give G-man BOTD" remark).

Spoiler: show

I don't expect anyone to read all of my big casing posts, but I would really appreciate if people could take a look at those last two (sig and gamer/g-man) and share their thoughts as well. They're the two players who I'm most seriously considering for a lynch, and I obviously think they're very good suspects right now. If other people feel the same way, that'd be great.

any other thoughts about any of my reads are also welcome, of course

I like your sig case. I tend to get lost in large games with so many people to keep track of, especially near the beginning, and I'd forgotten about him. He's been weirding me out with the wishy-washy votes and posts, too.

Can I ask ourHOST why G-Man is able to be voted for? I was off limits for the day I subbed in....

I think it's because you subbed in during the day, and G-Man subbed in at the start of the day, but I'm just guessing.

Thanks, Host! :P

WHO'S G-Man's teammate?

Here she finally mentions sig, after Scotty and I had both posted our cases against him and I specifically asked for people to respond to it a couple of times. As I noted in my previous post about sig/Ninja interactions, I find it a bit inconsistent that she claims to have both "forgotten about" sig and been "weirded out" by him. I now find it even more inconsistent, considering her later post about "getting her first ping" on sig after his reaction to her Day 1 vote.

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So...as with others, I'm confused at what happened to Sloonei. It didn't mention death, but he also seemed to exit pretty...not dead?

There are so many long posts that I am loving here. I apparently suck at using the spoiler tag, so I'm going to do what I hate and include the link to the posts until I figure out the spoilers, since they're so, so long:

Sloonei's first post analyzing connections to sig:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 69#p154469
I like most of this analysis, mainly for the commentary for LC being bad in connection to LC.

The other one also caught my attention for analyzing sig's so-called reads on people:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 89#p154489

I must comment on the last part for reasons. One is this, because it's driving me absolutely nuts:

0-10 10 highest 1 lowest
, nijuukyugou 5 she was less scum before her switching andthen saying she would just run and lynch

What in the name of god's green earth is this? I have done no vote switching this entire game. You see what happens to liars? :P I do like that sig tries to throw shade at me, calling me suspicious, then "hard civ" when he's on the way down, then wishy-washy'ing his way back to "suspicious." I see what you did there...well, kinda. Nice try.

I also like Epi's Cobalt/LC analysis:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 93#p154493

It's just beautiful. I don't even know how to put in my own words how much I agree with it. But I guess I just did.

The inconsistency continues. If she was suspicious of sig for his Day 1 behavior, why is she not noticing/commenting on it until after he's been lynched? (I also said this in my other post, but it's worth restating)

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Woo hoo! Two for two!

I'm going Les Mis. It has less votes, and while I really like the storyline of Les Mis, Russell Crowe's horrid singing in its most recent adaptation cannot be forgotten. Also, I've never seen Miss Saigon, so I have no opinion of it, but since both musicals are apparently sung-through, it would probably annoy me, too :P

I like the theory that one or both of the scum teams would have tried to cover all their bases on the Les Mis/Saigon poll, and only myself, FZ, Scotty, and niju voted Les Mis that night. This also makes me scratch my chin at Scotty, but he's one of the people who's been bringing this theory about, and I'm not terribly suspicious of him otherwise at this moment (Would still really like to hear other opinions on him, btw).

nijuukyugou is no longer a town read. I'd like to hear her response to this, as well as any reads she has about current suspects.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei, how do you feel about DFaraday?

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, how do you feel about DFaraday?

I remember going back and forth on him earlier in the game. At one point I had him as a top suspect, but when I died I had him as slight town. He's since slid back down into the scummy pile. His content is minimal, and I remember a lot of his early posts seeming like very safe and easy-to-fake reads

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Was DREAM ever replaced by someone? I don't see it in the OPs, but I can't imagine he/she is still here with just a single post?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Was DREAM ever replaced by someone? I don't see it in the OPs, but I can't imagine he/she is still here with just a single post?

Oh, it looks like this is Spacedaisy.

[Sloonei]

Nutella and DFaraday are the two players with relevant content who I am most likely to vote for after niju. Spacedaisy/DREAM is still a null read and has done nothing to not be a suspect. The other inactives are also candidates.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm looking into the inactives now, primarily Neverwhere and Devin. They seemed to be lynch options supported by Golden and Epignosis respectively, but substantive reasons weren't given. So I'm going to see if there are any.

[nijuukyugou]

Hi, Sloonei! Welcome back!

Hey all! It's great to be back! I've followed along pretty keenly since being killed and my opinion on ninja has not changed. She's getting my vote unless someone can convince me I've been wrong this whole time. I do not think I have been. I saw Golden hint a few times at her being some specific role, but I do not know what that is all about.

You, my friend, are the poster child for tunnel vision. You come back from the freaking dead with guns ablazin', despite everything that has happened since your absence. I have defended myself against every point you have made and then some, and I'm not doing it again because I'm growing bored of it, as I'm sure others have also in the thread.

I think I know what role Golden has assigned to ninja. I don't know how he came to that conclusion, but it seems pretty obvious through the context clues in his post history. And the fact that he's [probably] silenced despite being ninja's loudest supporter should be a good reflection on ninja, right? All of these dynamics are muddied with two mafia teams, but I think that needs to be acknowledged still.

I do not think this reflects on ninja in any way, because two mafia teams. We have no idea who's doing the silencing. It could even be one of our independent friends.

You're not even listening to reason here. "In any way"? Really, dude? I have done everything in my power to show that I'm not bad. If you lynch me, your rezz will have been nullified and you will lose a valuable civ. But whatever.

We do agree on a point - nutella. I think either she or splints is bad, and I will probably vote one of them this phase. I will be absent for the rest of today due to traveling and visiting the most awesomest family in the entire world but I will be back tomorrow to discuss and vote.

[nijuukyugou]

Actually, since votes are changeable, I'll go ahead and put mine on nutella.

[Sloonei]

Hi, Sloonei! Welcome back!

Hey all! It's great to be back! I've followed along pretty keenly since being killed and my opinion on ninja has not changed. She's getting my vote unless someone can convince me I've been wrong this whole time. I do not think I have been. I saw Golden hint a few times at her being some specific role, but I do not know what that is all about.

You, my friend, are the poster child for tunnel vision. You come back from the freaking dead with guns ablazin', despite everything that has happened since your absence. I have defended myself against every point you have made and then some, and I'm not doing it again because I'm growing bored of it, as I'm sure others have also in the thread.

I think I know what role Golden has assigned to ninja. I don't know how he came to that conclusion, but it seems pretty obvious through the context clues in his post history. And the fact that he's [probably] silenced despite being ninja's loudest supporter should be a good reflection on ninja, right? All of these dynamics are muddied with two mafia teams, but I think that needs to be acknowledged still.

I do not think this reflects on ninja in any way, because two mafia teams. We have no idea who's doing the silencing. It could even be one of our independent friends.

You're not even listening to reason here. "In any way"? Really, dude? I have done everything in my power to show that I'm not bad. If you lynch me, your rezz will have been nullified and you will lose a valuable civ. But whatever.

We do agree on a point - nutella. I think either she or splints is bad, and I will probably vote one of them this phase. I will be absent for the rest of today due to traveling and visiting the most awesomest family in the entire world but I will be back tomorrow to discuss and vote.

your defense against my case after my death isnone of the strongest reasons i still suspect you now (i'll explain more thoroughly later, when i'm not on my phone) .Also this post here, where you insist that i'm wrong because i'm wrong.
Also, the "in any way" comment was about the silencer silencing Golden. That does not reflect on you at all, unless you're trying to tell me that you are the silencer.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd be more likely to vote for nutella than for fingersplints.

I'm not a big fan of creating a nutella/fingersplints dichotomy though. They have probably been the two most-often discussed suspects entering this day phase, and that's fine. But let's keep that field of suspicion broad.

[Sloonei]

I'd be more likely to vote for nutella than for fingersplints.

I'm not a big fan of creating a nutella/fingersplints dichotomy though. They have probably been the two most-often discussed suspects entering this day phase, and that's fine. But let's keep that field of suspicion broad.

What do you think of nijuukyugou?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd be more likely to vote for nutella than for fingersplints.

I'm not a big fan of creating a nutella/fingersplints dichotomy though. They have probably been the two most-often discussed suspects entering this day phase, and that's fine. But let's keep that field of suspicion broad.

What do you think of nijuukyugou?

I think she has appeared town on the surface in recent phases, particularly when she was almost lynched (by my hand even) instead of Bass. She has definitely had numerous opportunities to look bad too considering how frequently she has been under fire. Under consistent pressure she has help up quite impressively -- something must be said of that. I haven't looked deeper into your case yet, I will report back once I've done so.

[Epignosis]

I will be absent for the rest of today due to traveling and visiting the most awesomest family in the entire world but I will be back tomorrow to discuss and vote.

[FZ.]

Sloonei has been rezz'd. It is now Day 11. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

It'd certainly be neat to play with you some time, FZ.

If you were to rezz one person, would it be FZ, sloonei or scotty? Or someone else entirely?

I'd want someone who I'd expect to post frequently, so any of those three would work. I guess I'd go with Sloonei because he is always a huge asset later in games as town.

I take it back. I don't like your style


Kidding. Have fun everyone *rolls over and dies forever*

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have personal experience being melted by late-game Sloonei. Nothing personal :P

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Neverwhere stuff.

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I'm with Turnip Head on this one. I got so caught up focusing on the whole Epi - Lc - SVS talk I forgot about the posts Hedgeowl had made. They read really scummy to me too. A lot of mafia excuse speak. If Hedge is bad, it seems kind of sloppy of her....

At this point she's pinging me the most for a day 1 vote.

I am reading Gumshoe as civvie for now.

This is a strange post, because the underlined portion doesn't seem to mesh with her post history. She said she "got caught up focusing" on the Epi/SVS scenario of Day 0/1, but he said absolutely nothing about that prior to this. No mention of Epi, SVS, or the cases presented. This post looks quite opportunistic on the surface, especially now that we have reason to believe Hedgeowl was town. The language she employs here also conveys a demeanor of confidence that I don't think is suitable to the situation. Without specific references I have no idea what she didn't like about Hedge and what she did like about Gumshoe. Bad look.

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Disclaimer -- I'm usually a relatively quiet player, but I might be a very quiet player over teh next week or so. For this I apologise. It's coming up on the last week of school for my kid and it's got intense. I'm also up in court tomorrow and under a lot of stress for that. My daughter also has her autism assessment next Friday, so I'm snowed under with paper work and and note taking (read: essay writing). I'm reading as fast as i can, but everytime i log in theres another 4 pages of text I'll post my thoughs briefly now and hopefully later have time to talk in more detail!

For the time being SVS, Cobalt and hedge are on my radar. Hedge could be civvie -- but I'm seeign a lot of generic, time buying speak from her. It could be legit, butin the games I've played I've seen mafia use this tactic frequently. I'm tempted to vote for her as a result.

I'm really sorry I still have four pages to sift through, I'll try and give you some of my lovin' tonight.

Neverwhere's treatment of Hedge shifts from "her posts read really scummy" to a total Belgian waffle in this post. Translation:

Hedge could be a civvie but I have seen mafia do this thing she's doing which I still haven't actually defined clearly. It could be legitimate, but I've seen mafia use this tactic before frequently. I can't reference any specific examples though because I am never specific about Hedge -- It's my policy.

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I think the Tiny pattern thing you mentioned above was brought up because people thought that it was odd she would keep mentioning it over and over and that it could eb the case she's just trying too hard to be careful and mimic every other game she has played. I thnik there could be something to this theory, and I have my eye on her but I would like to observe her for a little longer. She is also a very low poster so I haven't read much from her.

I had considered Cobalt for my vote last time round, and I think he's my top suspect for todays lynch. I get really scummy vibes off him. I am a little worried about the things he has insiunated about his role, but I also think those could indicate that he is mafia.

Golden is someone I want to keep a closer eye on. I couldn't give you specifics at this moment in time (hence wanting to scrutinise further) but I've always played with civvie Golden and feel like there's something slightly different this game.

Oh Neverwhere. JJJ needs specifics. He needs them so bad that being without them drives him insane to the point of third-person self-references.

At least she managed to point to some kind of tangible things for TinyBubbles and Cobalt. That doesn't mean the suspicions were remotely substantive though. The vagueness wouldn't be so troubling to me if so many of her suspicions hadn't been so tag-along. The only semi-original perspective here is the one she expressed about Golden, but that was also the vaguest. I struggle with posts like these.

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Golden is someone I want to keep a closer eye on. I couldn't give you specifics at this moment in time (hence wanting to scrutinise further) but I've always played with civvie Golden and feel like there's something slightly different this game.

Could it be because for once I'm not saying that you come across as civ?

Nope, it has nothing to do with that. In fact, if I were mafia I probably would have ignored your comment altogether. I can understand your suspicions though, it would be only natural for you to look at me more closely for mafia signs after the last couple of games we played. I have nothing to hide, however.

I don't get it. Why would it be "natural" for Golden to look at Neverwhere more closely just because they'd played a couple games together, presumably with all of them featuring a town Neverwhere? This post fails the tone test for me -- it bears the appearance of a calculated response to a direct expression of suspicion. She isn't rocking the boat, and she isn't really defending herself in a meaningful way either.

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Thisis the third game I've played with you and I figure odds are you're going to have to be mafia at some point. Like a lot of players in this game there are a lot of people I am unfamiliar with or I have played with in the past that had such low post counts I didn't really get a feel for them. You're someone I did get a feel for, so I'm just keeping an eye on you for differences in this game.

The vague issues with Golden are reasserted, and only substantiated with "odds are you're going to have to be mafia at some point". She asserts there had been differences in Golden's play between this game and prior games, but I still have no idea what those differences supposedly were.

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I also noticed that slip up. Hmm..

Sloonei highlighted a potential slip by Black Rock and Neverwhere jumped on it alongside him. The language here bugs me again. I don't know if this is a natural townie way of expressing this thought. The significance shouldn't be that she "noticed" the slip. It should be that the slip is a slip. And I think a response that bears that out would look more authentic. I can acknowledge that Black Rock was probably already recruited at this point (which caused her to make this mistake in the first place), so on that front it'd be an okay reflection on Neverwhere w/r/t Team Webber. That's only a small point though, because it really was a grievous error by Black Rock and I would expect at least some of her team mates to pounce on it out of necessity. Even if that is disregarded, the Team Wildhord possibility remains.

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Put my vote in for long con, because there are far too many votes on cobalt right now, i dont trust that thre's not a scummy reason to get him lynched (even if he is mafia). Could be a willing sacrifice, to call attention away from the others. And long can has been slightly suspicious from the start, though i dont know him fromprevious games so cant be sure its not just his usual style. He seemed an easy target last poll so i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. however now there is no point, most likely cobalt's going to get lynched.

And sorry for not posting much. some posts have seemed kind of hostile, made me reluctant to involve myself. I am still around though

I think i recall bass suspecting i'm scum? I dont know if that was just meant to provoke a reaction or if it's his real opinion. Either way it's fishy.. and yes, for the 1000th time im still civ and will be civ ALL GAME and if you think that it's scummy of me to reiterate that, you don't really know me at all or you're misdirecting.

Why do you feel the need to keep screaming civ? :P Also, I dislike the claim you will be Civ all game. How do you know there might not be a corruption or somthing?

Honestly, everyone in this game who ever gave Bubbles crap for claiming to be a civ repeatedly gets the stink eye from me. That's not a very good reason to suspect someone, especially when it's the only reason given. It's not a major point against Neverwhere, but I'll add it to a growing pile of pings.

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If anyone is feeling the game is a bit hostile, don't forget about our friendly llama. I'm not ashamed to say I've utilised him this game.

Neverwhere, the town is actually more effective at catching baddies when everyone is thoughtful and civil, because, as demonstrated yesterday, when feuds arise the thread is forced to resolve them by lynch (or attempted lynch). I'm certainly with you that if Cobalt doesn't calm it down and allow the town to function as a whole then I'm on board for a lynch.

linki - I thought TB was hinting at not being the three specific roles mentioned in the book, would be interesting to get her take on that.

1.) Agreed. I Don't think it would be a wasted lynch regardless of his actual role. Even if he turns out to be civ his behaviour is not exactly helpful to anyone.

2.) If he is Civ it does make you wonder if he has info on LC that he is actually mafia. Honestly, I'm sick of that duo's drama so I'm willing to ignore it for another day to properly focus on all members of the game. No, that does not make me scum.

3.) TinyBubbles is definitely pinging me for sure. In previous games I played with her she was pretty upbeat and worried about voting the wrong person constantly. She was civ both times. She seems different in this game and much more defensive than I ever remember her being before. Anyone who has to cry I AM CIVILAN in those exact words every post has me raising my eyebrow! :P

4.) I did suspect hedgie last day. Now, I must go wash the dishes, but later on when I get a chance I will reread her posts and give my update opinion.

5.) Golden, for the record I'm reading you as more civ now.

I added the numbers to her post for ease of reference here.

1.)

Every lynch of a townie is a wasted lynch. I don't care how abrasive the townie is.

2.) I don't know how Cobalt would have "information" on LC since Cobalt's aggression against LC started on Day 0. It's not great that she brushed the matter under the rug to "focus on all members of the game". That isn't a bad idea in practice, but I don't know if it really shows up in her posts thereafter.

3.) Stink eye.

4.) I'm not sure why she brought up Hedge again in response to that Golden post which doesn't mention her or prompt this comment otherwise.

5.) Neverwhere was vaguely supsicious of Golden, and then she began to vaguely read him as more civ. I harbor some doubt that she ever really experienced a change in her Golden "read".

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Long Con says this recently today. Long Con has not mentioned or interacted with TinyBubbles all game. However, he suddenly states he's seeing her as fishy, but convinces himself otherwise all in the same post.

Trimmed it, but MM's comment about Tiny and LC makes some sense. Tiny has pretty much no input into this game, but managed to defend LC AND jump on my initial Cobalt vote which had been, at the time, based on an erroneous read of his post history. And Long Con managed to pseudo-suspect Tiny without committing to it in a meaningful way. Very interesting read, MM.

I totally agree. I had put my early vote with Bubbles this am, and have a feeling unless I can get on board with group lynching another member, my vote will stay with Bubbles. I feel quite strongly that she is mafia.

I never got much of a read on Gamer guy, but I think I'm going to go back and re read all his posts because G man is coming off scummy to me. However, I'm not sure if it's just his style of posting with the pictures or not.... He seems to have a lot of time for making up memes while claiming he has no time and contributing nothing. I don't like time wasting. Kind of the same issue I had with Cobalt...although I haven't the foggiest what Cobalt is trying to say at the moment.

She makes a somewhat decent recovery here by expressing distinct and even specific suspicion of TGG/G-Man. I say "somewhat" because she still elected to pursue her seemingly empty case against Bubbles instead. And with two mafia teams, this kind of this is always tempered anyway.

Okay, this one is pretty important.

It's a hyperlink because the site won't let me easily do a spoiler within a spoiler. Neverwhere engaged G-Man in a real conversation which featured genuinely emotional content. That's ripe to be read and I would ask other players to check it out and report their feelings. I think it actually reads positively for her -- I don't think this discussion looks like one between team mates. First of all, Neverwhere maintained her suspicion of G-Man in a direct line of communication. This represents the application of pressure, even if only a little. I like that. Moreover, Neverwhere suggested she'd misinterpreted G-Man as having said something abjectly insulting to her. If she is to be believed on that point, then I feel rather strongly about these two not being team mates. At the moment I am inclined to believe her.

This would mean I don't think she is likely to be a member of Team Webber.

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Moses! Have we really only had one succesful night kill? Well done on surviving, Sloonei! I am reading Sloonei as more civ. High contributor and I wonder if maybe he was on to something which is why mafia might want him dead.

Now, who am I looking to lynch today....

Kinda filler.

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I think Sloonei makes some really great points about Long Con. From the start I have been wary of him, I've never really fully felt comfortable putting him in the civ category. I also grew more suspicious when I went back over and read all of sigs posts, which I think i mentioned in my post on sig a couple pages back. It also makes me really curious when I see some people so hell bent on lynching him convinced that he is mafia. Isn't there a role checker? I think I have a busy day today, so I'm going to vote long con now and we'll see what the results are. like timmer i think it was said, we will have a better idea of peoples alignments once we see how Long Con flips.

Also, Sloonei I have an all civ read on you. I think you're pretty much the only person I feel 100% comfortable about.

I was disappointed not to see al ong post from you about why you think I'm scum. What about me is suspicious to you? It is true my name has popped up a couple of times, but I think its been dropped because people aren't seeing me as that suspicious. At any rate, I've got nothing to hide.

While I've been digging through this post history I have been waiting to see any substantive commentary about LC. She mentioned him before this, but she didn't really talk about him much if at all. LC was a major topic of discussion throughout his lifespan in this game, so it's a little troubling at least that it took this long to hear something about him from Neverwhere. I'll give her some credit since she did lend her support to Sloonei's case for Long Con. It's interesting that she is associating LC with Team Webber instead of Team Wildhorn (probably because Sloonei did the same thing).

I think I am willing to call this a decent post, which is a significant thing since it reflects well on her w/r/t Team Wildhorn. I say this with some trepidation though because it took her so long to join the discussion about LC in a meaningful way.

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@ Neverwhere, Black Rock, & Scotty: Who are you going to vote for and why?

I have already voted Long Con and I have already posted explainng why. I also had posted a few pages back a few of my observations upon reading back through ALL of sigs posts...some of which included Long Con and Cobalt. Everyone ignored both of these posts. Sig also referenced me as a user who wasn't posting when I was. Maybe I appear suspicious because people aren't paying attention and simply are not reading what I've been posting. :P

lol, that's my bad. sorry, it's been a long couple days of getting back on a regular schedule for me, i'm not being as attentive as i was earlier in the game.
Who else are you suspicious of?

That is ok! I get it, life has been really hectic the last few weeks so I feel like I've been the same.

I'm having a hard time reading a lot of these people as they are new to me and it's especially hard with two mafia teams. I've genuinely not got much of a civ read on many people. I think you might be the only person I feel 100% confident with as civ. Golden is reading civ to me and I'm wonderng if I can take this silencing as a good sign.

Then again this leads to question Cobalt. I don't have a great feeling about him, however, I'm wondering if it's maybe his style that just rubs me the wrong way. I'm pretty sure we have a role checker amongst us and Ihave been wondering if Cobalt could have that ability as he's been dogging LC from the start. Now he's 100% of Epi -- who I am also leaning mafia on. I'm hoping if we get this LC lynch and he flips mafia we may have more of an idea on if we can trust Cobalt at all.

I'm not sure why Neverwhere saw fit to label Cobalt as a potential role checker so brazenly in the thread like this. Normally this would actually be more of a towntell for me than scumtell, because scum can just discuss this stuff behind the scenes. With two mafia teams however, this is a bit less true. Apparently other mafia players didn't agree though because Cobalt was never killed. And I restate a prior point: Cobalt was going after LC on Day 0, before any night actions ever resolved. So...?

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I need to go back and reread a lot Splints stuff. I was recently on a mafia team with splints and I think I might be seeing some similarities to the way she played when she played mafia.

WHAT ARE THE SIMILARITIES?

Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *claws own eyeballs out of sockets*

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Sorry I've been quiet. Kids at church camp every day, internet on the fritz, fridge decided to die the hottest week of the year so far...Neverwhere's life is a little chaotic.

I am beginning to suspect nutella. I have for a few days now. There was one post in particular she made that sounded scummy as fuck to me...but I can't find it now because I'm afraid to leave this page. I guarantee you the minute I do, net will die.

I will be back as soon as Ireland's shitty internet services will allow.

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Apologies for my lengthy absence. I am back.

Doesn't surprise me Sloonei was killed, but I also doubt that he was converted to mafia. He was perceived as too high profile good guy to have mafia convert him imo. It would have been the obvious thing to do. Too obvious.

Give me some time to work out who's not dead yet

Does someone have special insight into the strategies behind the recruitment choice?

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Neverwhere's votes:

Day 1: No vote
Day 2: Cobalt (1st of 9)
Day 3: TinyBubbles (1st of 4)
Day 4: Long Con (4th of 11)
Day 5: G-Man (10th of 13)
Day 6: No vote
Day 7: No vote
Day 8: No vote
Day 9: No vote
Day 10: No vote

~~~

Overall, I do see cause for suspicion. I think there's a slightly stronger case to be made for Team Wildhorn than Team Webber, and the incredible amount of vagueness might suit an independent role too. I don't think it's an extremely confident matter, so I'd ask others to share their perspectives.

[fingersplints]

JJJ - Neverwhere has been a baddie in most if not all the games she played. I know she fooled everyone as mafia her first game. (Myself and Golden included) and we were teammates in Omereta mafia. I'd have to look and see what other games she has played

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd like to make this recommendation to all players who care:

I think we've all been a little guilty lately of adopting pet suspects, including me. By "pet suspects" I mean people that we focus on more squarely than anyone else, for better or for worse, over the course of multiple cycles. It differs from tunneling in that it doesn't necessarily imply hard aggression -- it just implies a narrowed mindset about the field of players remaining.

Once you've made your case about the one, don't stop there. Challenge yourselves to look at the rest. We've been collectively wrong as hell about a lot of things lately and I think that demands we make some adjustments.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ - Neverwhere has been a baddie in most if not all the games she played. I know she fooled everyone as mafia her first game. (Myself and Golden included) and we were teammates in Omereta mafia. I'd have to look and see what other games she has played

Oh, I must have misunderstood the context of that particular point. I can forgive her then for that brief exchange with Golden at least.

[fingersplints]

Nutella and DFaraday are the two players with relevant content who I am most likely to vote for after niju. Spacedaisy/DREAM is still a null read and has done nothing to not be a suspect. The other inactives are also candidates.

I was at first a bit skeptical of SD because why replace dream out of all the inactives. (Could be baddie teammate was complaining) but looking back I think it's likely because dreamy hasn't posted the longest.
I think I always get bad vibes from SD, so I'm trying to not let that cloud my judgement.

[fingersplints]

What happened to your guys rainbow reads?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What happened to your guys rainbow reads?

I've analyzed enough people now to do one I suppose. I think the orange/red side will dominate because all y'all suspicious.

I'll try to come up with one soon.

[Sloonei]

What happened to your guys rainbow reads?

They'll come when i'm on my laptop
Could you give us an approximation of what your hypothetical rainbow would look like?

[Spacedaisy]

I want feedback on MM because frankly he has me feeling all kinds of bad vibes right now.

Ninja Splints and LA, what are your opinions of MM please?

JJJ, same question.

I'm going to go back and read your ISOs Jay.

[fingersplints]

My non-rainbow list! (Remember my husbands computer has colored text disabled, so this is the best I can do. )most civvie to least - in case it isn't obvious by my name being at the top.

Splints

Sloonei
SVS 2.0
JJJ
Golden

Epi 2.0

MM

Dfaraday
nijuu
Nutella

I found the inactives hard to place in the list, because I do think the looking at the inactives plan has merit, but it's hard to place them in relation to other people I am able to have more solid reads on. Plus, I haven't had a chance to reread Gumshoe and Devin. Here is my inactive list:

Gumshoe
Devin
SD
Neverwhere

Deciding how I feel about MM might change how I feel about SD. I actually like this post from her:

Now, MM is looking shady as shit to me right now. He presents a case in hopes someone will come in and debunk it? He voted for her though... Then the first chance he gets he is jumping on me, the easiest target in this game right now? You are looking really opportunistic to me.

linki SD funny you should ask

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I need to look into MM too. I haven't been troubled by his surface demeanor. His involvement in recent lynches warrants a closer look though.

[fingersplints]

I probably should have separated my 2nd section as well, because I feel really good about SVS and Sloonei. I only feel pretty good but yet still paranoid about JJJ and Golden.

[Sloonei]

I want feedback on MM because frankly he has me feeling all kinds of bad vibes right now.

Ninja Splints and LA, what are your opinions of MM please?

JJJ, same question.

I'm going to go back and read your ISOs Jay.

What is your opinion of ninja?

[Sloonei]

I feel like MM is an independent. I don't have anything to back this up at the moment.

[nutella]

I don't understand why Golden trusts nijuu. I still find her suspicious.

My vote will probably go to Nutella. She kept saying about how she was waiting for my responses but when I asked she didn't bother to respond with what specifically she wanted me to respond with. For that reason I don't believe that she really suspects me but that she is going with that suspicion because it is convenient. And she has already backed off some so if I am lynched she can say that she was reconsidering it.

When I saw that you asked, I was planning to respond by showing you the *cough* two very detailed cases on you that you somehow missed, but alas I was about to leave work and as you know I didn't come back to the thread until after the lynch and saw that you had already responded to some of it, so I let it go for the time being, but now since it is day again and I have reposted the link to JJJ's original ISO of you I would really like you to go back and respond to those points as well as Niju's in more detail.

I want feedback on MM because frankly he has me feeling all kinds of bad vibes right now.

Ninja Splints and LA, what are your opinions of MM please?

Honestly I haven't been paying too much attention to him because I had been getting a pretty town read from him since early in the game, but I don't want to dismiss the possibility he's bad and am open to examining him. Anything particular from his posts that you find suspicious?


It looks like people are kind of arbitrarily deciding to vote for me without any actual case against me, and this is making me uneasy as we really can't afford to lynch more civvies. Please give me something concrete to defend against. And again, look at my voting record/major suspects -- I have gone hard after members of both baddie teams. What is the logic here.

[Sloonei]

Who do you think has arbitrarily voted for you, Nutella, and why?

[fingersplints]

I responded to the posts just not in one post because I was on my phone and it's hard for me to break up larger posts.
You still haven't given me any reason why YOU think I am suspicious. Just referred to others suspicion of me. Again, if you don't think I addressed the cases properly what part specifically would you like more of an answer to?

I can't remember you going "hard" after anyone

[nutella]

Who do you think has arbitrarily voted for you, Nutella, and why?

Well obviously splints and niju, as they have just voted for me. Both of them just kind of tagged along to my name being discussed and said something like "ehh I guess I'll go ahead and put my vote on nutella" without giving any actual reason. Niju in particular was like "oh I'll either vote for splints or nutella, hmm what the heck let's go with nutella" that is the definition of arbitrary right there.

@Splints that's because my reasons for you are pretty much those cases, and particularly your voting record. I think your behaviors toward LC and BR were potentially teammate-ish. I know you have defended at least regarding BR.

[nutella]

I went pretty hard after LC, G-man, and Sig. Maybe my way of "going hard after" people is not the same as someone like sloonei or JJJ, but that's just a style difference, I'm not the type to make big long cases. It's good to have people like that around who do ISOs all the time so I can interpret them with my own perspective, but what I mean is that I strongly suspected those individuals and supported lynching them, and I did so by repeatedly saying I was suspicious of them in my contributions to keep them both in my mental list and in the thread discussion. I started saying LC was pinging me back on Day 1, like before anyone else suspected him. I was one of the first to agree with Sloonei's case on Sig, and kept bringing up his name when everyone else ignored it. I was less sure of Gman at first but became solidly convinced and ready to lynch him around the same time we were lynching LC. Again with BR I was skeptical at first but by the day she got lynched I was pretty suspicious of her. Admittedly I probably went harder against Bass than any of these baddies, and that was a mistaken suspicion, but we can't always be right. And I can't be sure that I'm right about you, but it looks like you're enjoying having some of the heat pushed off of you and onto me. Dare I say... opportunistic?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who do you think has arbitrarily voted for you, Nutella, and why?

Well obviously splints and niju, as they have just voted for me. Both of them just kind of tagged along to my name being discussed and said something like "ehh I guess I'll go ahead and put my vote on nutella" without giving any actual reason. Niju in particular was like "oh I'll either vote for splints or nutella, hmm what the heck let's go with nutella" that is the definition of arbitrary right there.

@Splints that's because my reasons for you are pretty much those cases, and particularly your voting record. I think your behaviors toward LC and BR were potentially teammate-ish. I know you have defended at least regarding BR.

Does defense of a mafia player imply team mate capacity? What do you think of splints' eventual vote for Black Rock?

[fingersplints]

I went pretty hard after LC, G-man, and Sig. Maybe my way of "going hard after" people is not the same as someone like sloonei or JJJ, but that's just a style difference, I'm not the type to make big long cases. It's good to have people like that around who do ISOs all the time so I can interpret them with my own perspective, but what I mean is that I strongly suspected those individuals and supported lynching them, and I did so by repeatedly saying I was suspicious of them in my contributions to keep them both in my mental list and in the thread discussion. I started saying LC was pinging me back on Day 1, like before anyone else suspected him. I was one of the first to agree with Sloonei's case on Sig, and kept bringing up his name when everyone else ignored it. I was less sure of Gman at first but became solidly convinced and ready to lynch him around the same time we were lynching LC. Again with BR I was skeptical at first but by the day she got lynched I was pretty suspicious of her. Admittedly I probably went harder against Bass than any of these baddies, and that was a mistaken suspicion, but we can't always be right. And I can't be sure that I'm right about you, but it looks like you're enjoying having some of the heat pushed off of you and onto me. Dare I say... opportunistic?

Wtf does that even mean? Who wouldn't enjoy not having a shit ton of suspicion on them? Plus I don't think I am by any means in the clear.
And how does others not suspecting me as much make me opportunistic?