Should I think anything of it? It seems a fair enough question to me.RadicalFuzz wrote:Bullzeye what do you think of J3's questions to the mods regarding espers?
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If you think I'm trying to deliberately get you or anyone else mod-killed despite me saying "Nevermind", then I must be bad in your eyes. Will you be voting for me tomorrow?Bullzeye wrote:You asked me twice. I ignored you the first time. I think you deliberately trying to get people modkilled is ridiculous. My reaction wasn't strong at all.
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You scold Matt for "trying to get people modkilled," but J3's actions had been interpreted similarly. Asking the mods to clarify espers' status the moment he goes over 72 hours without posting could be seen as a more tactful way to achieve the same end.
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Why else would you have bothered to ask? And I do "mind" being asked to break the rules, which is why I responded. I don't know who I'm voting for tomorrow. I had Espers in mind but it looks like he might get booted anyway. Should I vote for you?Matt F wrote:If you think I'm trying to deliberately get you or anyone else mod-killed despite me saying "Nevermind", then I must be bad in your eyes. Will you be voting for me tomorrow?Bullzeye wrote:You asked me twice. I ignored you the first time. I think you deliberately trying to get people modkilled is ridiculous. My reaction wasn't strong at all.
Linki - There is a big difference between repeatedly asking someone to break the rules by revealing information about their role, and asking whether someone's post satisfied MP's desire for them to participate.
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I didn't ask you anything about your role, I asked who you targeted.Bullzeye wrote:Why else would you have bothered to ask? And I do "mind" being asked to break the rules, which is why I responded. I don't know who I'm voting for tomorrow. I had Espers in mind but it looks like he might get booted anyway. Should I vote for you?Matt F wrote:If you think I'm trying to deliberately get you or anyone else mod-killed despite me saying "Nevermind", then I must be bad in your eyes. Will you be voting for me tomorrow?Bullzeye wrote:You asked me twice. I ignored you the first time. I think you deliberately trying to get people modkilled is ridiculous. My reaction wasn't strong at all.
Linki - There is a big difference between repeatedly asking someone to break the rules by revealing information about their role, and asking whether someone's post satisfied MP's desire for them to participate.
Again, should you vote for me? That's a question I'd like you to answer. If you think I am deliberately trying to get you mod-killed (and you should know that you're one of my fave peeps in Mafia), then you must think I'm bad. Will you be voting for me tomorrow?
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Ah, I misinterpreted your frustrations. He asked you to do something you believed to be against the rules. I thought you were upset at Matt seemingly trying to use modkills to his advantage as a player.
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He may be frustrated that I asked him to "break the rules", but to say I am deliberately trying to get him mod-killed...he must think I'm bad. Will you be voting for me tomorrow, Bullz?RadicalFuzz wrote:Ah, I misinterpreted your frustrations. He asked you to do something you believed to be against the rules. I thought you were upset at Matt seemingly trying to use modkills to his advantage as a player.
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Anyway, gotta bail. Short shift today. Be back later peeps!
Also, Bullz, will you be voting for me tomorrow (assuming the Mafia or SK don't get me tonight! Gaaaah! )
Peace
Also, Bullz, will you be voting for me tomorrow (assuming the Mafia or SK don't get me tonight! Gaaaah! )
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Whether or not I was able to target someone on night 4 would reveal something about my role. Did you expect a serious answer? Good or bad I don't see why I'd ever want to give one. I had otherwise been thinking of you as a civ but you asking me to break the rules does make me question that. I will say again I don't know where my vote is going at this stage (and on night 4 I got criticised for knowing where it'd go, this time I seem to be being criticised for not knowing ).Matt F wrote:I didn't ask you anything about your role, I asked who you targeted.Bullzeye wrote:Why else would you have bothered to ask? And I do "mind" being asked to break the rules, which is why I responded. I don't know who I'm voting for tomorrow. I had Espers in mind but it looks like he might get booted anyway. Should I vote for you?Matt F wrote:If you think I'm trying to deliberately get you or anyone else mod-killed despite me saying "Nevermind", then I must be bad in your eyes. Will you be voting for me tomorrow?Bullzeye wrote:You asked me twice. I ignored you the first time. I think you deliberately trying to get people modkilled is ridiculous. My reaction wasn't strong at all.
Linki - There is a big difference between repeatedly asking someone to break the rules by revealing information about their role, and asking whether someone's post satisfied MP's desire for them to participate.
Again, should you vote for me? That's a question I'd like you to answer. If you think I am deliberately trying to get you mod-killed (and you should know that you're one of my fave peeps in Mafia), then you must think I'm bad. Will you be voting for me tomorrow?
Linki - breaking the rules = modkill. As I understand it Golden only bent them severely hence his lesser punishment. Knowing MP, he would almost certainly kill me on the spot if I'd given an honest answer to your question.
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Also Matt, when you get back I will expect an answer of what exactly you hoped to accomplish by asking me to infodump. If I get bored, I might even post the same question incessantly until you do answer.
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It's always fun to see people who are apparently convinced they'll be killed at night.
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Bullzeye, if you're still here, how have my posts in the last hour changed your opinion of me? Feel free to do a simple before and after analysis instead of a short answer. I'll read it.
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I don't know that they've had any impact at all to be honest. I've never suspected you regardless. I actually have a fairly good vibe about you, I think you've been making good efforts to get involved and find baddies. I might not always think you're right, but as of now I haven't seen a reason to think you're bad yet.
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Would you mind listing what you disagree with me on?
And it's likely a wording or definition issue, but it irks me to see that you haven't suspected me. You should be suspecting everybody, especially the players you think are right.
And it's likely a wording or definition issue, but it irks me to see that you haven't suspected me. You should be suspecting everybody, especially the players you think are right.
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It was more of a general statement, I don't know of anything major so far worth bringing up.RadicalFuzz wrote:Would you mind listing what you disagree with me on?
And it's likely a wording or definition issue, but it irks me to see that you haven't suspected me. You should be suspecting everybody, especially the players you think are right.
I think it probably is a definition issue, I would say I never suspect everyone in any game. I suspect people who do things I find suspicious or when people I trust bring up arguments I think have good points to them.
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Is that last part a typo or do you suspect people that you already trust bringing up valid cases?
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You misread. The meaning of the sentence was I sometimes suspect people when people I trust bring up valid arguments against those people.RadicalFuzz wrote:Is that last part a typo or do you suspect people that you already trust bringing up valid cases?
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J3 I'm aware you're out at the moment, but I want your opinion on something.
Ignoring the possibility of being lynched, what night phase do you think Wilgy will get killed?
Thanks for the clarification Bullzeye.
Ignoring the possibility of being lynched, what night phase do you think Wilgy will get killed?
Thanks for the clarification Bullzeye.
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The reversed question also applies to Wilgy. Ignoring the possibility of J3 being lynched, what night phase do you think he will get killed?
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MacDougall wrote:I believe I have uncovered the truth.
You are all just antisocial to new players to your forum.
These points, taken together, are interesting to me. I know a lot of players (myself included) use meta to trying degrees to make their reads of others. Playing with half the players as new definitely hampers that strategy. I for one have hesitated a bit on reading RYMers, and I've been relying somewhat on RYMers' meta reads on each other (like JJJ on Mac, for example) to supplement the thread evidence I'm seeing. It's possible, with RYMers and Syndicateers both going after Syndicateers, that RYMers are getting a bit too much of a pass/civvie cred.Choutas wrote:I find it hilarious that the syndicators are doing their best to lynch other syndicators(at least until day 4) and rymers are doing their best to lynch syndicators too. It's only after the Macdougall controversy that suspicions started piling onto some rymers. Perhaps we're looking at the wrong forum. Isn't Metalmarsh rymer emeritus no?
You're scum bro?
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Actually I saw Choutas online and thought it would be funny.Elohcin wrote:B/c you can't self target, right?!MacDougall wrote:I feel quite safe this evening.
Distancing, I see. Clever. But you're not fooling me.MacDougall wrote:I call upon Choutas to read Epignosis as a possible serial killer and tell me what he thinks. Over to you Choutas.
"After I flip town, MattF is not allowed to play mafia on this forum for 3 months."MacDougall wrote:What's wrong with it exactly?Elohcin wrote:MacDougall wrote:If you guys want to lynch me tomorrow I won't fight you as long as you promise me one thing.
After I flip town, MattF is not allowed to play mafia on this forum for 3 months.
linki: Oh no you said Occam's Razor. Here comes Epi.
I am not done catching up from the posts that took place while I was sleeping but I had to stop and comment on this. What kind of person says something like this. C'mon Mac, you were so fun when the game started and now you are being an asshat.
Rude.
I don't think Epi has been an asshat this game. He's actually been kinder than normal. Can anyone else vouch for that?MacDougall wrote:I am going to bed.
Elohcin I fully expect to see a post calling Epignosis an asshat upon my return.
Goodnight all.
I dunno mate, I think it was pretty funny.
And he said that two couples of RYM are cheating on each other and should go to marriage counselling hence me jokingly saying that. It was pretty funny. But how come he's not rude and I am to you?
Not fair.
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Can I please note that I am not a Syndicater and I have been tortured and bullied by you people. It's not very kind at all.Russtifinko wrote:MacDougall wrote:I believe I have uncovered the truth.
You are all just antisocial to new players to your forum.These points, taken together, are interesting to me. I know a lot of players (myself included) use meta to trying degrees to make their reads of others. Playing with half the players as new definitely hampers that strategy. I for one have hesitated a bit on reading RYMers, and I've been relying somewhat on RYMers' meta reads on each other (like JJJ on Mac, for example) to supplement the thread evidence I'm seeing. It's possible, with RYMers and Syndicateers both going after Syndicateers, that RYMers are getting a bit too much of a pass/civvie cred.Choutas wrote:I find it hilarious that the syndicators are doing their best to lynch other syndicators(at least until day 4) and rymers are doing their best to lynch syndicators too. It's only after the Macdougall controversy that suspicions started piling onto some rymers. Perhaps we're looking at the wrong forum. Isn't Metalmarsh rymer emeritus no?
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Really? I remember basically nothing about game I've played previously, unless someone jogs my memory. And I confess to only skimming the thread in Economics.fingersplints wrote: Perhaps the reasons why the civvies keep losing is because they keep listening to the same leaders. Perhaps they should try following someone else for a change.
I'm a bit surprised Russ doesn't remember something that happened in his games, especially since I feel it was kind of important. I remember exact specifics of all my game. Like my first contest I ever hosted in 2011 was won by manu for a poem titled "my life as a princess" :lol: idk maybe he really doesn't remember, but maybe he doesn't want to see how similar my game is to there. Idk just thinking. He seems kinda rational about his thoughts so he is on my undecided list for now.
I think you're throwing shade here because I asked you for some input other than "Roxy is good, BR is bad", and you don't want to give it. However, since you are so confident in your BR read, I'll at least read her back and see what I come up with. I haven't read JJJ's iso on her yet, so I'll check to see if my read matches his.
Linki: Can't tell if Mac is serious...like, ever. If you really feel bullied, I'm sorry. I've found you fun to have in thread for the most part so far.
Also, I'm not touching the Elo/Mac thing for a bit. It's becoming reminiscent of Roxy/MattF, and I don't do drama.
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If it gets anywhere near that please tell me and I will sign off and never post again.
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Oh! And sorry for the multipost. I forgot this:
Side note: I usually have a couple of biggish blocks of time to mafia per day, if I'm lucky, but limited ability to hop on and off. I read through and reply to everything interesting I see in my catch up. So if my thoughts appear disjointed, that's why. Hope it's not making m thought trains too hard to follow.
I think him posting yesterday, presumably to avoid a modkill, makes him looks way worse, personally. I'll probably vote him again if he isn't modkilled.
Side note: I usually have a couple of biggish blocks of time to mafia per day, if I'm lucky, but limited ability to hop on and off. I read through and reply to everything interesting I see in my catch up. So if my thoughts appear disjointed, that's why. Hope it's not making m thought trains too hard to follow.
If he's gone for 3-4 days, won't he just be modkilled for inactivity anyway?Matt F wrote:I think Floyd needs to be looked at pronto. This deal with him "being gone" for several days after being suspected and saying some very odd things...I don't like it.
As to the bolded, seaside, you're acting like you KNOW espers is civ here. Why?seaside wrote:i have been absent throughout yesterday, so i don't know how the votes went onto both espers and devin in real timeMetalmarsh89 wrote:If you were Drugs, would you vote for the player you tossed two extra votes on?seaside wrote:are we assuming drugs also voted for the person the next day?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Drugs can use his power once every even night. I think that's a reasonable assumption.seaside wrote:lol i just realised it is already night....
i made those last posts without realising that devin had already been lynched.
can drugs be used on only one person? or can scum use it on more than one person?
but say for example if jjj was drugs, he voted early, gave drugs to devin the night before. then realised that it was going to be close, he could either change his vote to ensure that devin gets lynched, making it look suss with the late vote change
or he could of just left it on, knowing that espers getting lynched on a cointoss would also work for scum. or he could of communicated with his scum mates to jump onto devin to make the numbers?
I think him posting yesterday, presumably to avoid a modkill, makes him looks way worse, personally. I'll probably vote him again if he isn't modkilled.
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Russ read gud.Russtifinko wrote:Oh! And sorry for the multipost. I forgot this:
Side note: I usually have a couple of biggish blocks of time to mafia per day, if I'm lucky, but limited ability to hop on and off. I read through and reply to everything interesting I see in my catch up. So if my thoughts appear disjointed, that's why. Hope it's not making m thought trains too hard to follow.
If he's gone for 3-4 days, won't he just be modkilled for inactivity anyway?Matt F wrote:I think Floyd needs to be looked at pronto. This deal with him "being gone" for several days after being suspected and saying some very odd things...I don't like it.
As to the bolded, seaside, you're acting like you KNOW espers is civ here. Why?seaside wrote:i have been absent throughout yesterday, so i don't know how the votes went onto both espers and devin in real timeMetalmarsh89 wrote:If you were Drugs, would you vote for the player you tossed two extra votes on?seaside wrote:are we assuming drugs also voted for the person the next day?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Drugs can use his power once every even night. I think that's a reasonable assumption.seaside wrote:lol i just realised it is already night....
i made those last posts without realising that devin had already been lynched.
can drugs be used on only one person? or can scum use it on more than one person?
but say for example if jjj was drugs, he voted early, gave drugs to devin the night before. then realised that it was going to be close, he could either change his vote to ensure that devin gets lynched, making it look suss with the late vote change
or he could of just left it on, knowing that espers getting lynched on a cointoss would also work for scum. or he could of communicated with his scum mates to jump onto devin to make the numbers?
I think him posting yesterday, presumably to avoid a modkill, makes him looks way worse, personally. I'll probably vote him again if he isn't modkilled.
He was in the middle of hypothesising. The sentence is speculative.
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RadicalFuzz wrote:Sorry about that earlier J3, I forgot to add the actual statement. If you had to be stranded on the moon with three people from this game, which three would you take to avoid getting stabbed in the back?
Strawhenge, Matt F, RadicalFuzz
I can't answer this without essentially guessing, but I'll go with Night 8 or 9.RadicalFuzz wrote:J3 I'm aware you're out at the moment, but I want your opinion on something.
Ignoring the possibility of being lynched, what night phase do you think Wilgy will get killed?
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Re: [NIGHT 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
If you ignore everything I've said about Mac, how would you read him?Russtifinko wrote:MacDougall wrote:I believe I have uncovered the truth.
You are all just antisocial to new players to your forum.These points, taken together, are interesting to me. I know a lot of players (myself included) use meta to trying degrees to make their reads of others. Playing with half the players as new definitely hampers that strategy. I for one have hesitated a bit on reading RYMers, and I've been relying somewhat on RYMers' meta reads on each other (like JJJ on Mac, for example) to supplement the thread evidence I'm seeing. It's possible, with RYMers and Syndicateers both going after Syndicateers, that RYMers are getting a bit too much of a pass/civvie cred.Choutas wrote:I find it hilarious that the syndicators are doing their best to lynch other syndicators(at least until day 4) and rymers are doing their best to lynch syndicators too. It's only after the Macdougall controversy that suspicions started piling onto some rymers. Perhaps we're looking at the wrong forum. Isn't Metalmarsh rymer emeritus no?
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BR replaced in Day 2.
D4 she softly defends Floyd. Then she makes this post, where she says Epi and I stood out to her based on the LC lynch. (This is important further down.) Epi later confronts her on not really bringing up any specific points, and she says she was using the post to bait both of us out to get better reads on us. (Also important later.)
Then on D4 she votes Devin "because she thinks Sorsha is good", with no other reason given at all. I get wanting your vote to be meaningful, but you should never vote for someone if you don't suspect them yourself, just because someone else seems town to you. Weak.
The next day, fingersplints comes after BR for going after Roxy, and she says once again that she was throwing shade to get a player into the thread so she could interact with them and get a read. Since this is her second time saying so, and since she never actually asked to talk to any of the people she threw shade at during those posts, this sounds like a really convenient way to be able to make unsupported reads and then back off if she takes any heat whatsoever.
Then she posts this...
To be honest, having read BR back, she doesn't look good. Sure, she's been busy and the thread is huge and I get that. To me though, all of this looks like a player making a very concerted and conscious effort to not make any reads or do anything that could be traced back to her.
I think that all 3 (Roxy, fingers, and BR) have been at best unhelpful and narrowly focused during the game. Roxy only wants Matt F dead and is not participating otherwise. fingers only wants Roxy alive and BR dead and is not saying anything else currently. And BR kinda sorta thinks Roxy is bad but won't take a stance on anything else for the life of her.
Linki: Tough call. I would have read him as supatown early in the game. I thought he looked TERRIBLE at the end of D4, and would have been ready to try to get the lynch train rolling if you hadn't said those types of posts were normal for him. It seems like other felt the same way as you, because no one seemed to think my D4 analysis of him had much merit, so I've let it be. He's doing MM-style chaos posts lately, which really tells us nothing. Elo doesn't like it, I find it amusing but uninformative.
So long story short, my JJJ-exempted read is slightly to moderately bad. In a super time-dependent way, though. He looks mostly good to me besides the end of Day 4, and at the end of Day 4 he looks the baddiest of the bad.
Refuses to play JJJ's game. Has to leave soon and has no reads, which might be fair. I do think the game is designed to catch baddies though, so naturally a baddie wouldn't want in.Black Rock wrote:Sounds like fun, I can't participate because I leave soon and also my opinion wouldn't be educated anyways. I already have good feelings on a couple of players though.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'll explain what it is:
We'll run down the list of living players together (I'll shout out the names two at a time) and everyone including me will offer a ONE WORD read on that player WITH NO "NEUTRAL" ALLOWED.
The only legal words are "GOOD" or "BAD". Nothing else is acceptable.
It is going to make extra pages though, but easy for me to get through so I approve.
D4 she softly defends Floyd. Then she makes this post, where she says Epi and I stood out to her based on the LC lynch. (This is important further down.) Epi later confronts her on not really bringing up any specific points, and she says she was using the post to bait both of us out to get better reads on us. (Also important later.)
Then on D4 she votes Devin "because she thinks Sorsha is good", with no other reason given at all. I get wanting your vote to be meaningful, but you should never vote for someone if you don't suspect them yourself, just because someone else seems town to you. Weak.
The next day, fingersplints comes after BR for going after Roxy, and she says once again that she was throwing shade to get a player into the thread so she could interact with them and get a read. Since this is her second time saying so, and since she never actually asked to talk to any of the people she threw shade at during those posts, this sounds like a really convenient way to be able to make unsupported reads and then back off if she takes any heat whatsoever.
Then she posts this...
BR had already brought up Epi and me in regard to LC's lynch, although she didn't mention specifics. BR, yeah, LC is dead and was bad. That's exactly why your input is valuable here! How does baddie LC play? Does he ignore teammates, bus them, stage arguments and back off, read them as town, what?? Is there anything in his play whatsoever that gives you any indication of the alignment of anyone in the game?Black Rock wrote:I subbed in near the end of LC's lynch and I had no idea what was going on the game. He's dead. What would you like me to, tell you if he sounded bad before he was lynched? He's bad, he was lynched and we were told so. I don't really understand this at all.Epignosis wrote:I must say I am increasingly suspicious of Black Rock, and I'll tell you why.
Her husband got lynched and was bad, yet she's missing votes and coming in here talking about Roxy being the serial killer. She lives with LC. She has heard him speak in real life all the time, knows his tone, has witnessed his ruses, and should have a solidi(ish) view of what he would do or would not. I'm just seeing no effort on that front, and if Black Rock is civilian, then I think her involvement would be more valuable than it is.
To be honest, having read BR back, she doesn't look good. Sure, she's been busy and the thread is huge and I get that. To me though, all of this looks like a player making a very concerted and conscious effort to not make any reads or do anything that could be traced back to her.
I think that all 3 (Roxy, fingers, and BR) have been at best unhelpful and narrowly focused during the game. Roxy only wants Matt F dead and is not participating otherwise. fingers only wants Roxy alive and BR dead and is not saying anything else currently. And BR kinda sorta thinks Roxy is bad but won't take a stance on anything else for the life of her.
Linki: Tough call. I would have read him as supatown early in the game. I thought he looked TERRIBLE at the end of D4, and would have been ready to try to get the lynch train rolling if you hadn't said those types of posts were normal for him. It seems like other felt the same way as you, because no one seemed to think my D4 analysis of him had much merit, so I've let it be. He's doing MM-style chaos posts lately, which really tells us nothing. Elo doesn't like it, I find it amusing but uninformative.
So long story short, my JJJ-exempted read is slightly to moderately bad. In a super time-dependent way, though. He looks mostly good to me besides the end of Day 4, and at the end of Day 4 he looks the baddiest of the bad.
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Sure, but the hypothesizing doesn't make sense. We now know Devin was good, so if espers is too then it makes literally no difference to Drugs whether espers or Devin goes, so we can get absolutely nothing from an analysis of what they'd have done. The only way any part of seaside's post is helpful is if espers is bad, and yet seaside is unwilling or unable to look at that hypothetical.MacDougall wrote:Russ read gud.Russtifinko wrote:Oh! And sorry for the multipost. I forgot this:
Side note: I usually have a couple of biggish blocks of time to mafia per day, if I'm lucky, but limited ability to hop on and off. I read through and reply to everything interesting I see in my catch up. So if my thoughts appear disjointed, that's why. Hope it's not making m thought trains too hard to follow.
If he's gone for 3-4 days, won't he just be modkilled for inactivity anyway?Matt F wrote:I think Floyd needs to be looked at pronto. This deal with him "being gone" for several days after being suspected and saying some very odd things...I don't like it.
As to the bolded, seaside, you're acting like you KNOW espers is civ here. Why?seaside wrote:i have been absent throughout yesterday, so i don't know how the votes went onto both espers and devin in real timeMetalmarsh89 wrote:If you were Drugs, would you vote for the player you tossed two extra votes on?seaside wrote:are we assuming drugs also voted for the person the next day?Metalmarsh89 wrote:Drugs can use his power once every even night. I think that's a reasonable assumption.seaside wrote:lol i just realised it is already night....
i made those last posts without realising that devin had already been lynched.
can drugs be used on only one person? or can scum use it on more than one person?
but say for example if jjj was drugs, he voted early, gave drugs to devin the night before. then realised that it was going to be close, he could either change his vote to ensure that devin gets lynched, making it look suss with the late vote change
or he could of just left it on, knowing that espers getting lynched on a cointoss would also work for scum. or he could of communicated with his scum mates to jump onto devin to make the numbers?
I think him posting yesterday, presumably to avoid a modkill, makes him looks way worse, personally. I'll probably vote him again if he isn't modkilled.
He was in the middle of hypothesising. The sentence is speculative.
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Yeah, it looks like my read on BR converges somewhat with JJJ's. Thanks for pointing out her role in Devin's death; I hadn't thought much about it though it's obvious in hindsight.
I do think making reads and then backing off by saying she made them to get people in thread is suspicious at best, utter BS at worst.
I do think making reads and then backing off by saying she made them to get people in thread is suspicious at best, utter BS at worst.
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Just a heads up, but the Night 5 post will probably be late. We shall see. I know I won't be around, so if it is on time Sloonei will be flying solo. Thought I'd warn you all just in case.
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Russ please point the posts at the end of day 4 that are bad.
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ISO for bcornett24:
It occurs to me that I should refer back to my prior analysis of his of LC relationship to add better substance to my final conclusion this time. I thought Brian looked slightly better coming out of this, but couldn't qualify that read with better substance than a gut read.
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Both of his Dusk 0 votes went to confirmed townies.
This string of posts reads decently to me in terms of Brian's town meta. From his very first game Brian has shown an appreciation for reaction-baiting in the earliest stages of a game, and is willing to behave however he feels he must to inspire that. I think this stuff reflects that mindset well, from his matter-of-fact accusation of llama to his openly meaningless vote for motel room. This is just a meta thing so it isn't huge (and he might have learned to replicate this behavior by now), but it's a little smidgen of goodness.
If I try to insert myself into the mind of town Brian, I don't struggle to see him adopting this perspective of Roxy. While her play doesn't "drive me bonkers" (Roxy rules!), I can certainly understand why someone who has never encountered before would call her dismissive/apathetic responses hard to read. I have a feeling a mafia-aligned Brian would have gone after Roxy for this conduct instead of merely lamenting that it is unreadable.
Brian took part in the demise of birdwithteeth. If we're to fairly criticize him for bad votes, we have to assess his stated reasons for placing them as much as the vote itself.
Yellow: This is a believable accusation. LC's move against bea is well-documented at this point, and BWT was the only person to bite (we know now that he did so innocently). I don't fault Brian for perceiving this to have been an easy vote.
Orange: It is a stretch however to accuse BWT of buddying me merely because he stated his agreement with me that Day 1 can be a productive phase. That's a pretty common stance and BWT wasn't the only one to agree with me.
I do think yellow is more important than orange here, so I'll still call it a mildly positive look. Mildly.
I don't know what this post was. Brian, please explain what you meant here.
Epignosis was not impressed with the same post I referenced two spoilers above this one. Brian's response is a little awkward: he suggested BWT was attempting to redirect suspicion towards Roxy. I don't understand how this can be since BWT's post and vote (which Brian was critical of before) were about bea, not Roxy.
I'm not following you here, Brian.
Votes for LC to preserve himself. Obligatory move, null.
Here's a post that I think can be helpful in getting a more concrete read on Brian. I've highlighted the important content that makes me think so. You'll note that he suggests both Golden and I might have BUSSED Long Con. This is important because it is a statement of the impossible. Golden cannot have bussed LC because Golden defended LC -- indeed he resisted me heavily when I moved against LC. So how does this reflect on Brian?
If he's mafia, then he obviously knows full well that Golden did not bus Long Con (assuming we're all right about Golden's civilian role). That cannot have happened because Golden and LC were not team mates. This means that Brian would have been intentionally fudging the facts in this post as a way of throwing shade on Golden and me.
I have my doubts.
I think this is more likely: Brian is a townie who was tasked with catching up in this monstrous thread, in the aftermath of the drama generated between Golden and I. In his earnest attempt to figure out what to make of that, he made a mental/observational error by associating Golden with the anti-LC crowd (of which I was a part) and and then tinfoiled about the possibility of a JJJ/Golden scum team.
I honestly think the mafia/not-mafia portion of reading Brian can be decided with solid clarity based on this single point. I would encourage everyone to review what I've said here and state your perspective on the matter.
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I'm going to stop there for now. I'll continue the review later if I deem it necessary. I'd like to hear people's takes on the pink-highlighted point first.
It occurs to me that I should refer back to my prior analysis of his of LC relationship to add better substance to my final conclusion this time. I thought Brian looked slightly better coming out of this, but couldn't qualify that read with better substance than a gut read.
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Yellow: This is a believable accusation. LC's move against bea is well-documented at this point, and BWT was the only person to bite (we know now that he did so innocently). I don't fault Brian for perceiving this to have been an easy vote.
Orange: It is a stretch however to accuse BWT of buddying me merely because he stated his agreement with me that Day 1 can be a productive phase. That's a pretty common stance and BWT wasn't the only one to agree with me.
I do think yellow is more important than orange here, so I'll still call it a mildly positive look. Mildly.
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I'm not following you here, Brian.
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If he's mafia, then he obviously knows full well that Golden did not bus Long Con (assuming we're all right about Golden's civilian role). That cannot have happened because Golden and LC were not team mates. This means that Brian would have been intentionally fudging the facts in this post as a way of throwing shade on Golden and me.
I have my doubts.
I think this is more likely: Brian is a townie who was tasked with catching up in this monstrous thread, in the aftermath of the drama generated between Golden and I. In his earnest attempt to figure out what to make of that, he made a mental/observational error by associating Golden with the anti-LC crowd (of which I was a part) and and then tinfoiled about the possibility of a JJJ/Golden scum team.
I honestly think the mafia/not-mafia portion of reading Brian can be decided with solid clarity based on this single point. I would encourage everyone to review what I've said here and state your perspective on the matter.
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I'm going to stop there for now. I'll continue the review later if I deem it necessary. I'd like to hear people's takes on the pink-highlighted point first.
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I don't think it's fair to say I am not saying anything else russ. I have pointed out a possible other connection, to BR but I'd rather make sure she is bad first. I also asked about the golden/Bullz thing. It doesn't even seem like you are reading my posts to know what you are talking about.
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I'm not sure what Russ is expecting out of my post wise and it's a bit unfair as he isn't holding himself or anyone else to the same criteria. He is talking about mostly the same people as I am,and not making mention of the vast majority of the players, but I'm tunnelling. It honestly just feels like he is reiterating what others already said
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Night 5: glasspenguin
espers was having a great time until his virtual reality started to malfunction, and all people were replaced by fire-breathing alligators and he had no choice but to retire.
espers has been modkilled for inactivity (by request). He was Slippery People.
To be continued...
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Night 5: Radio Head
Night 5 has ended.
????? has survived a kill by Life During Wartime.
It is now Day 6. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.
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Total waste, espers. You could have at least tried to bait a kill.
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You're right. There's absolutely no way that he could have survived a kill at all.Epignosis wrote:Total waste, espers. You could have at least tried to bait a kill.
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What?Metalmarsh89 wrote:You're right. There's absolutely no way that he could have survived a kill at all.Epignosis wrote:Total waste, espers. You could have at least tried to bait a kill.
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Oh wait, the ????? from Night 4 was targeted by Psycho Killer, not mafia.
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I'm just going to say this as a general announcement for everyone:
Please don't sign up for games you don't intend to play or probably cannot play.
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What? (cont.)Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh wait, the ????? from Night 4 was targeted by Psycho Killer, not mafia.
Mafia don't have even night kills.
Although they'll have now, since they failed last night...
...except if Life after Wartime's night power was invalidated last night, so they didn't get to use an even night kill?
Luckily, it doesn't matter. I've got a case that will help us lynch a baddie and avoid N6. No more mislynches.
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Lol, he quit your game as well.Epignosis wrote:I'm just going to say this as a general announcement for everyone:
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Hosts: did the mafia gain access to an even night kill or did Wartime making the kill deactivated his power, so the mafia gains nothing for N6?
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I'm going to register the first vote for Black Rock.
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Epignosis said "Hey espers, at least try to bait a nightkill."Ricochet wrote:What? (cont.)Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh wait, the ????? from Night 4 was targeted by Psycho Killer, not mafia.
Mafia don't have even night kills.
Although they'll have now, since they failed last night...
...except if Life after Wartime's night power was invalidated last night, so they didn't get to use an even night kill?
Luckily, it doesn't matter. I've got a case that will help us lynch a baddie and avoid N6. No more mislynches.
I thought "Hey, someone DID survive a nightkill the other night. How would Epignosis know it wasn't espers?"
But then I double-checked espers' role, and realized I read it wrong... again...
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Is this who you are most certain is mafia or are you trying to create discussion, or both?Epignosis wrote:I'm going to register the first vote for Black Rock.
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