STAR WARS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Marmot]

Tell me what you think Golden. Since we spend 2 days on each planet, I think that the planet will blow up on the second day we are on the specified planet, not the first.

When it comes your turn, lets see if you are willing to take that gamble.

Your logic makes sense, but I'm going to be conservative with my vote both days.

Ok, if I'm around at the deadline, I volunteer to be the last voter today.

But you didn't vote Alderaan on day zero, so being the last voter today would, for you, be meaningless.

What does the Day 0 poll have to do with a planet exploding?

I thought it was the last voter in the lynch, not the last voter from the Day 0 poll.

[Tangrowth]

At the moment, I feel inclined to vote for Glorfindel.

Noted, Golden, thanks! I wondered about that.

[Marmot]

That makes sense. The only thing I don't get is how come you have to worry about not voting last just for voting Alderaan? Doesn't that apply to everyone, or did I miss something?

Oh.

I just went back and read Grand Moff's role again. I think I've been misinterpreting it. I was thinking that only those who voted for that planet could be exploded with that planet. But I think your interpretation is correct.

Never mind, I see that you've figured it out.

[Elohcin]

This post wasn't very close to the beginning of the game, Eloh.

I am voting for Zebra. I don't feel like her vote for Bass is genuine.

If you simply didn't mention your earlier suspicion of me then that would be fine, but actually your earlier posts flat-out contradict this. We have this:

Bubble baths, Blech! If I could get rid of my garden tub and put in a grand shower with multiple shower heads instead, I so would.I have used my garden tub only once and it was not for bathing.

I feel like the players who are posting the most seem civ. This makes me think the baddies are being quiet for now. I mean, look how many players there are and how many are actually posting. That said, I am civ even though I haven't posted much

And as a side note, we have this too:

You guys are posting so much lol. I'm reading now but am tried so I might take a nap before I post.

Or wait until your teammates get back into BTSC so you can agree on what you should say? :P

I don't think this post was genuine.

I was kidding. Hence the tongue smiley.

So was I. Hence the orange font.

derp.

[Marmot]

Hooray! I believe I have caught up, which was much less painful than I thought it would be. I will probably make a big phat post as usual, but I'd also like to actually take advantage of being here in real time and play for a bit. So, here I am!

phixed

[Tangrowth]

Although I felt bcornett's push on Bubbles was opportunistic...

Banana, Luke, and Mishimeals have contributed absolutely (or practically) nothing. Floyd is there too.

What do you propose we do about attempting to evaluate the aforementioned players? They're perpetually in my orange area because I can't move them anywhere. At least Bubbles and DFaraday are posting reads, so I'm OK with them for now; I just don't feel a change is warranted.

[Marmot]

With Bass flipping civ , he's coming off my new list.

1) bcornett24 - I don't like his vote from yesterday, as I've discussed already.
2) MacDougall
3) BANANA - nowhere
4) *Bubbles - also nowhere
5) MovingPictures07 - I agree with him that the quiet folks should speak up and unlurk, but I still don't like his response to my Day 1 vote.
6) zebra - where'd she go? Only one post in the last 45 hours.

*New addition to my list.

Is there anything I can address?

Yes, you said you'd be back later last night, but you never returned.

[Golden]

I don't feel like voting someone who isn't actually playing at all is opportunistic.

Bullets over Broadway is one recent game I played that ended with an array of non-players. It does become difficult to know how to address them the longer they hang around.

[Golden]

@MM - don't give MP any more beer.

[a2thezebra]

At the moment I'd be more comfortable with a bcornett lynch than a Glorfindel lynch.

[Tangrowth]

With Bass flipping civ , he's coming off my new list.

1) bcornett24 - I don't like his vote from yesterday, as I've discussed already.
2) MacDougall
3) BANANA - nowhere
4) *Bubbles - also nowhere
5) MovingPictures07 - I agree with him that the quiet folks should speak up and unlurk, but I still don't like his response to my Day 1 vote.
6) zebra - where'd she go? Only one post in the last 45 hours.

*New addition to my list.

Is there anything I can address?

Yes, you said you'd be back later last night, but you never returned.

[Tangrowth]

I don't feel like voting someone who isn't actually playing at all is opportunistic.

Bullets over Broadway is one recent game I played that ended with an array of non-players. It does become difficult to know how to address them the longer they hang around.

I don't either, because they are a problem that needs to be addressed, particularly the longer that they hang around.

I felt bcornett's suspicion on Bubbles was opportunistic purely because he tried to push a specific case on why her behavior was anti-town, yet he picked Bubbles among all of the low posters/no shows to single out, and I didn't buy it.

[nijuukyugou]

Hooray! I believe I have caught up, which was much less painful than I thought it would be. I will probably make a big phat post as usual, but I'd also like to actually take advantage of being here in real time and play for a bit. So, here I am!

phixed

Phabulous!

[Tangrowth]

At the moment I'd be more comfortable with a bcornett lynch than a Glorfindel lynch.

Care for a rainbow list?

[Tangrowth]

Blooper, I also wanted to say that your most recent long post was appreciated by me; it's good getting a feel for where your head is at, and your ascension on my rainbow list is due largely in part to that post.

[a2thezebra]

At the moment I'd be more comfortable with a bcornett lynch than a Glorfindel lynch.

Care for a rainbow list?

I'm on it.

[Marmot]

Golden, bcornett voted for you?

I presume I've missed some major development then.

I voted for him first.

And that's actually pretty much all the development MP missed. No more context necessary. It is an OMGUS without even a post attempting to justify it.

But you've been telling Golden he's wrong about bcornett. Do you think this OMGUS comes from a civvie mindset?

Linki: phor shure

[Tangrowth]

At the moment I'd be more comfortable with a bcornett lynch than a Glorfindel lynch.

Care for a rainbow list?

I'm on it.

Sweet. Why bcornett over Glorfindel?

[Golden]

At the moment I'd be more comfortable with a bcornett lynch than a Glorfindel lynch.

These are also the two candidates I'd be most comfortable with.

linki - ninja ascending. Soon she will be some sort of god-like tentacle being.

[sig]

I NEVER said anything like "I'm good because I'm poisoned." Sig is not just equally manipulative of the facts, but completely redundant. He's especially good at pointing out options THAT EVERYONE KNOWS ALREADY. Seriously. Look over his post history. He does it over and over and over again.

Enrique, do you suspect zebra and/or sig?

I think everyone's just misunderstanding each other here. I thought Enrique was bad because he seemed to be giving the impression that he was good because he was poisoned (without directly saying it, as I mainly got this impression from how others reacted to it) but I no longer think that. And I think Enrique and others are misreading sig. Most of the time when players repeat others' opinions I'm pinged by it when sig does it, I think that's his way of just letting others know which opinions he agrees with.

I think Enrique thought I said I didn't find them suspicious at a point when I said he was suspicious, this caused confusion and his response made me think he was more likely to be mafia. His last few posts as well as Luke's vote on him means I won't be voting for him today. I think I was slightly tunnely and as I said his most recent posts seem civvie. So I at least view him as neutral atm.

Although I felt bcornett's push on Bubbles was opportunistic...

Banana, Luke, and Mishimeals have contributed absolutely (or practically) nothing. Floyd is there too.

What do you propose we do about attempting to evaluate the aforementioned players? They're perpetually in my orange area because I can't move them anywhere. At least Bubbles and DFaraday are posting reads, so I'm OK with them for now; I just don't feel a change is warranted.

MP What do you think of Luke's vote on Enrique?

I will need to read over Bcornett again when I ISO him he seemed civvie to me, but not answering Golden and just voting without making a post is pingy.
What is the argument for a Bcornett lynch?

I've been getting a weird gut feeling of Glorfindel this game, some of his posts have been pingy and he seems to be playing slightly differently then normal. Not sure if that is because he is with new players or what, but I could lynch him today, especially over zebra.

@Wilgy looking back I think I only mentioned you once or twice but in said posts I said you pinged me.
Wilgy who do you plan to vote for today and why?

[Tangrowth]

Who else is around and wants to talk? Not enough votes cast yet for only an hour and 15 minutes remaining.

[Tangrowth]

I NEVER said anything like "I'm good because I'm poisoned." Sig is not just equally manipulative of the facts, but completely redundant. He's especially good at pointing out options THAT EVERYONE KNOWS ALREADY. Seriously. Look over his post history. He does it over and over and over again.

Enrique, do you suspect zebra and/or sig?

I think everyone's just misunderstanding each other here. I thought Enrique was bad because he seemed to be giving the impression that he was good because he was poisoned (without directly saying it, as I mainly got this impression from how others reacted to it) but I no longer think that. And I think Enrique and others are misreading sig. Most of the time when players repeat others' opinions I'm pinged by it when sig does it, I think that's his way of just letting others know which opinions he agrees with.

I think Enrique thought I said I didn't find them suspicious at a point when I said he was suspicious, this caused confusion and his response made me think he was more likely to be mafia. His last few posts as well as Luke's vote on him means I won't be voting for him today. I think I was slightly tunnely and as I said his most recent posts seem civvie. So I at least view him as neutral atm.

Although I felt bcornett's push on Bubbles was opportunistic...

Banana, Luke, and Mishimeals have contributed absolutely (or practically) nothing. Floyd is there too.

What do you propose we do about attempting to evaluate the aforementioned players? They're perpetually in my orange area because I can't move them anywhere. At least Bubbles and DFaraday are posting reads, so I'm OK with them for now; I just don't feel a change is warranted.

MP What do you think of Luke's vote on Enrique?

I will need to read over Bcornett again when I ISO him he seemed civvie to me, but not answering Golden and just voting without making a post is pingy.
What is the argument for a Bcornett lynch?

I've been getting a weird gut feeling of Glorfindel this game, some of his posts have been pingy and he seems to be playing slightly differently then normal. Not sure if that is because he is with new players or what, but I could lynch him today, especially over zebra.

@Wilgy looking back I think I only mentioned you once or twice but in said posts I said you pinged me.
Wilgy who do you plan to vote for today and why?

I don't know what to think of it. It seems apparent to me that Luke doesn't seem to have a grasp on mafia quite yet.

How is Glorfindel playing "slightly differently" -- in what way?

[Golden]

Luke is actually playing. I'm more worried about banana and mishimeals.

[Tangrowth]

Luke is actually playing. I'm more worried about banana and mishimeals.

I agree; I think they are prone to linger if no replacement can be found, like in BoB.

Luke still makes his intentions near impossible to read though.

What about Floyd? I can't remember a single thing he's said this game.

[Golden]

I haven't figured out what side of the fence Floyd falls on yet.

[a2thezebra]

Ranked from towniest to scummiest.

Canucklehead
MacDougall
Golden
Simon
nijuukyugou
MovingPictures07
DFaraday
Black Rock
Roxy
Metalmarsh89
Enrique
Sorsha
sig
Dom
Elohcin
DrWilgy
Glorfindel
NANANANANANA_BANANA
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Mishimeals
Russtifinko
Savage
Bubbles
bcornett24

[Tangrowth]

So you'd rather lynch all of those players beneath Glorfindel before him? Why?

[Tangrowth]

Also, I thought you said you couldn't justify a vote for anyone who's voted for you today, yet Bubbles is your #2. What changed your mind?

[a2thezebra]

Golden, bcornett voted for you?

I presume I've missed some major development then.

I voted for him first.

And that's actually pretty much all the development MP missed. No more context necessary. It is an OMGUS without even a post attempting to justify it.

But you've been telling Golden he's wrong about bcornett. Do you think this OMGUS comes from a civvie mindset?

I was telling him that he was being uncomfortably indecisive about bcornett, and I still think that for the most part he was. But after seeing bcornett pop in the thread, post nothing regarding either his out-of-nowhere OMGUS vote or a response to both Golden and myself asking a response from him, I think my flip-flop is justified.

[Tangrowth]

Hey, DF, Wilgy, and Elo... come talk. I want to hear what you're thinking. Elo, you seem insistent on zebra. Can you elaborate upon it in any way?

[DFaraday]

I was going to vote Roxy, but I'd feel bad about it now that she posted about wanting to quit. So I went with Bubbles, since her vote for Zebra doesn't sit well with me, and I was still a bit suspicious of of her for her (in my view) self-promoting post about Matt way back.

EPWOP: People, stop talking for two seconds!!!

[sig]

True Luke has only played two games

It is more tone based, he is mentioning how he is helping alot more, doesn't seem to be making as many concrete reads as he usually does. Also in my opinion he seems to be minimizing his own mafia experience and I'm not sure why that is. His vote on Russ seems odd and his follow up post interacting with Enrique. His vote also came at a critical time and he voted for a third candidate who has no votes.

This isn't much and could be since he is around new people, but I've got a bad gut read of him right know.

linki: Luke is actually playing but his vote pinged me. If Luke is mafia we won't be getting much from him regardless I'm unsure about his civ play, but at least as scum he posted enough to be noticed, but not enough to slip up.

[Tangrowth]

I was going to vote Roxy, but I'd feel bad about it now that she posted about wanting to quit. So I went with Bubbles, since her vote for Zebra doesn't sit well with me, and I was still a bit suspicious of of her for her (in my view) self-promoting post about Matt way back.

EPWOP: People, stop talking for two seconds!!!

As much as I feel for Roxy and her thoughts on the situation, I don't feel as though it should impact the game like this.

[Golden]

I'm finding my rainbows are quite town leaning in this game. I think I am probably wrong on some of those reads. Not sure which ones though.

Town read

Canucklehead
MovingPictures07
nijuukyugou
Enrique
Bubbles

Slight town read

MacDougall
Simon
zebra
Roxy
Russtifinko
Metalmarsh89
Sorsha
sig

Neutral

DFaraday
Black Rock
Dom
DrWilgy
NANANANANANA_BANANA
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Mishimeals
Savage

Slight bad

Elohcin

bad

bcornett24
Glorfindel

[a2thezebra]

So you'd rather lynch all of those players beneath Glorfindel before him? Why?

Honestly, like with Roxy I don't think I'm in a place to contribute to a lynch of Glorfindel. I was the one who made him openly reluctant to play another game on this site for crying out loud. It just doesn't feel right.

[nijuukyugou]

At the moment I'd be more comfortable with a bcornett lynch than a Glorfindel lynch.

These are also the two candidates I'd be most comfortable with.

linki - ninja ascending. Soon she will be some sort of god-like tentacle being.

I'm gonna go ahead and vote bcornett - I nearly burned my roux because of this 8.7% beer on an empty stomach multitasking on mafia, and I'm putting my money where my mouth is.

[Marmot]

zebra said this about bcornett at 12:49 (PST)

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Now I'm at the point where I'll feel guilty for voting any of the players I suspect.

You shouldn't. There is still every chance they are bad. I think if people have read your posts they ought to understand that you in particular have taken the opportunity to read low posters content and judge them on the basis of the content and not the volume.

But I do think it has been very easy to latch on to 'low content' as an excuse for votes without looking beyond it for malicious intent.

Hey, Zebra, I'd like to know specifically what you think about my posts re bcornett.

I'm not doubting that they are bad, but at this point I don't feel like I'm even in a position to vote for anyone but myself. Nothing gets me down more than miscommunication that ruins people's enjoyment of something, especially so unnecessarily.

I'm not confident enough to say that you're flat-out wrong about bcornett, but I think that more than once this game you've been very quick to see his posts as manipulative, and Day 1 you were just as quick to look the other way after he responded to you. I'm town-reading him myself but I want to see how he responds to your more recent suspicion, and honestly I'm slightly pinged that you didn't hesitate to vote for him today. Are you worried he might change your mind again?

She said this about an hour later.

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I'm here-ish, ninja.

I would like to get a sense of who you are most suspicious of, and particularly your view on the more popular suspects like zebra, bcornett, russti, glorfindel, enrique, bubbles...

@zebra - I just looked at the poll and I see bcornett voted me, so...

I mean, what am I to make of that?

He's scum, that's what you are to make of that. I didn't have a problem with Glorfindel's silent vote but from bcornett who was in the thread when both of us were asking him for a response to your suspicion and then left without a single post...yeah.

And now he is zebra's Number 1 scumspect.

Linki: I dunno zebra. You had a townread of him.

[Tangrowth]

True Luke has only played two games

It is more tone based, he is mentioning how he is helping alot more, doesn't seem to be making as many concrete reads as he usually does. Also in my opinion he seems to be minimizing his own mafia experience and I'm not sure why that is. His vote on Russ seems odd and his follow up post interacting with Enrique. His vote also came at a critical time and he voted for a third candidate who has no votes.

This isn't much and could be since he is around new people, but I've got a bad gut read of him right know.

linki: Luke is actually playing but his vote pinged me. If Luke is mafia we won't be getting much from him regardless I'm unsure about his civ play, but at least as scum he posted enough to be noticed, but not enough to slip up.

Your opinion is noted. I'll mull over this.

[a2thezebra]

Also, I thought you said you couldn't justify a vote for anyone who's voted for you today, yet Bubbles is your #2. What changed your mind?

This surprised me as well. I think when I said that I was still letting my guilt over Roxy and Glorfindel hover over all my actions, which I'm still doing to an extent (whether I should or shouldn't be isn't for me to decide, at least not now). But I can't deny that even though Bubbles had her own reasons for voting for me, her three posts as a whole just make much more sense from a mafia mindset than a town one, from my view. It's that pop in, post something to remind everyone you're playing, pop out. To me the other low posters are more justified alignment-wise for having so little to work with that it can't be a strategy on their part, even if they do happen to be bad.

[Tangrowth]

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I'm finding my rainbows are quite town leaning in this game. I think I am probably wrong on some of those reads. Not sure which ones though.

Town read

Canucklehead
MovingPictures07
nijuukyugou
Enrique
Bubbles

Slight town read

MacDougall
Simon
zebra
Roxy
Russtifinko
Metalmarsh89
Sorsha
sig

Neutral

DFaraday
Black Rock
Dom
DrWilgy
NANANANANANA_BANANA
TheFloyd73
Luke11646
Mishimeals
Savage

Slight bad

Elohcin

bad

bcornett24
Glorfindel

I'm blue. Badass.

What's bothering you about Elo?

Why the slight town read on Russ?

[Tangrowth]

So you'd rather lynch all of those players beneath Glorfindel before him? Why?

Honestly, like with Roxy I don't think I'm in a place to contribute to a lynch of Glorfindel. I was the one who made him openly reluctant to play another game on this site for crying out loud. It just doesn't feel right.

I don't feel as though either Roxy or Glorfindel's comments regarding that matter should have taken place in the thread, so I don't like that they are impacting people's votes.

[Elohcin]

I don't feel like zebra is playing her civ game. I don't really have any elaboration to make. I don't feel like her vote for bass was genuine and he turned out to be civ.

[Tangrowth]

zebra said this about bcornett at 12:49 (PST)

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Now I'm at the point where I'll feel guilty for voting any of the players I suspect.

You shouldn't. There is still every chance they are bad. I think if people have read your posts they ought to understand that you in particular have taken the opportunity to read low posters content and judge them on the basis of the content and not the volume.

But I do think it has been very easy to latch on to 'low content' as an excuse for votes without looking beyond it for malicious intent.

Hey, Zebra, I'd like to know specifically what you think about my posts re bcornett.

I'm not doubting that they are bad, but at this point I don't feel like I'm even in a position to vote for anyone but myself. Nothing gets me down more than miscommunication that ruins people's enjoyment of something, especially so unnecessarily.

I'm not confident enough to say that you're flat-out wrong about bcornett, but I think that more than once this game you've been very quick to see his posts as manipulative, and Day 1 you were just as quick to look the other way after he responded to you. I'm town-reading him myself but I want to see how he responds to your more recent suspicion, and honestly I'm slightly pinged that you didn't hesitate to vote for him today. Are you worried he might change your mind again?

She said this about an hour later.

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I'm here-ish, ninja.

I would like to get a sense of who you are most suspicious of, and particularly your view on the more popular suspects like zebra, bcornett, russti, glorfindel, enrique, bubbles...

@zebra - I just looked at the poll and I see bcornett voted me, so...

I mean, what am I to make of that?

He's scum, that's what you are to make of that. I didn't have a problem with Glorfindel's silent vote but from bcornett who was in the thread when both of us were asking him for a response to your suspicion and then left without a single post...yeah.

And now he is zebra's Number 1 scumspect.

Linki: I dunno zebra. You had a townread of him.

How do you feel about zebra at this moment?

[a2thezebra]

MM, that's because I saw his "response" and it was the worst possible one a player could give.

[Golden]

Your roux, or your roo?

On Eloh - I haven't been able to put words on it yet. But, that post pointing out those three very different posts in terms of her mindset (albeit that the third one had a thrown in) does appear like someone struggling to keep their own thoughts on the game straight.

On Russ - because I don't think he is bad and haven't agreed with much of the suspicion on him. I am looking forward to him not being on the road, though.

[a2thezebra]

So you'd rather lynch all of those players beneath Glorfindel before him? Why?

Honestly, like with Roxy I don't think I'm in a place to contribute to a lynch of Glorfindel. I was the one who made him openly reluctant to play another game on this site for crying out loud. It just doesn't feel right.

I don't feel as though either Roxy or Glorfindel's comments regarding that matter should have taken place in the thread, so I don't like that they are impacting people's votes.

I don't like it either, but I hope you understand where I'm coming from here.

[DFaraday]

So you'd rather lynch all of those players beneath Glorfindel before him? Why?

Honestly, like with Roxy I don't think I'm in a place to contribute to a lynch of Glorfindel. I was the one who made him openly reluctant to play another game on this site for crying out loud. It just doesn't feel right.

I don't feel as though either Roxy or Glorfindel's comments regarding that matter should have taken place in the thread, so I don't like that they are impacting people's votes.

They probably shouldn't have, but if it came to it I would rather lose a game than contribute to driving someone away from Mafia.

For the record, I do still suspect Roxy.

[Golden]

MP (and whoever), I'm interested in thoughts on my Roxy read.

[a2thezebra]

It's roughly in the same place as mine is Golden, although I have a bit more scum reads than you I think.

[Marmot]

MM, that's because I saw his "response" and it was the worst possible one a player could give.

I suppose this is valid. For what it's worth, bcornett has not responded to the questions I've asked him either.

And his last post was calling out Bubbles for a bad vote.

Linki @MP: affectionate