Mafia: A World Reborn Game Thread - Game Over

#3601

RIP Bullz

#3602

RIP Bullz

#3603

That was weird. I linki'd myself. How'd that happen?

#3604

Usually when that happens to me, it's taking a while to submit or something so I had hit it again. Idk

#3605

Won't be here until about 9 or 10pm my time tonight. Looking forward to defending myself

Anywho SVS - Besides me, lookin' at anyone else?

Peace

#3606

Personally, I'm still looking at timer. Would consider Matt or bass. Those are my top tier suspicions so to speak.

#3607

LoRab wrote:Personally, I'm still looking at timer. Would consider Matt or bass. Those are my top tier suspicions so to speak.

This is exactly how I feel right now. I can't see any reason not to rinse and repeat on timmer. Bass would be my second highest suspicion, I feel pretty confident he was responsible for the death of Bullz last night. Matt is sort of a distant third and also put TH in there with Matt.

Also, I'm fairly convinced LoRab is on the side of good

#3608

#3609

Golden wrote:
LoRab wrote:Personally, I'm still looking at timer. Would consider Matt or bass. Those are my top tier suspicions so to speak.
This is exactly how I feel right now. I can't see any reason not to rinse and repeat on timmer. Bass would be my second highest suspicion, I feel pretty confident he was responsible for the death of Bullz last night. Matt is sort of a distant third and also put TH in there with Matt.

Also, I'm fairly convinced LoRab is on the side of good

Now see, I think the person that was being saved very possibly was TH. I looked at the roles, and the lynch save I saw was the Lich. A "Lich" just sounds like a baddie based on fantasy lore.

So today I would be happiest with a TH lynch, or equally, a Timmer lynch. Since my suspicion of Matt is based on connection to my mind with Timmer and TH, if they don't flip bad, I have no reason to suspect Matt. THs defenses are a lot of WIFOM, tbh, and it reallly did feel to me that Matt was throwing Timmer under the bus, and the only person I saw who needed saving was TH. So

those are my thoughts at this time.

#3610

I'm going to go with TIMMER again. I think his vote on TH was a bit too obvious and convenient. I'd suggest others do the same

#3611

I'm going on a spiritual journey i.e. food coma. I have delicious warm bread pudding in my belly and a smile on my face

#3612

S~V~S wrote:Now see, I think the person that was being saved very possibly was TH. I looked at the roles, and the lynch save I saw was the Lich. A "Lich" just sounds like a baddie based on fantasy lore.

The Mystic Surveyor can also stop a lynch. Also i'm pretty sure there are items in the game that can stop the lynch / protect yourself from death.

#3613

S~V~S wrote:
Golden wrote:
LoRab wrote:Personally, I'm still looking at timer. Would consider Matt or bass. Those are my top tier suspicions so to speak.
This is exactly how I feel right now. I can't see any reason not to rinse and repeat on timmer. Bass would be my second highest suspicion, I feel pretty confident he was responsible for the death of Bullz last night. Matt is sort of a distant third and also put TH in there with Matt.

Also, I'm fairly convinced LoRab is on the side of good
Now see, I think the person that was being saved very possibly was TH. I looked at the roles, and the lynch save I saw was the Lich. A "Lich" just sounds like a baddie based on fantasy lore.

So today I would be happiest with a TH lynch, or equally, a Timmer lynch. Since my suspicion of Matt is based on connection to my mind with Timmer and TH, if they don't flip bad, I have no reason to suspect Matt. THs defenses are a lot of WIFOM, tbh, and it reallly did feel to me that Matt was throwing Timmer under the bus, and the only person I saw who needed saving was TH. So those are my thoughts at this time.

Any one of those four is ok with me. I think they are all bad. I think they might be the last four baddies.

#3614

I agree with ^^ a lot of this.
I'm ok with a Bass, Timmer, or TH vote and am still considering Matt. I'm not the best with roles though, so idk who is most important to lynch first.

#3615

fingersplints wrote:I agree with ^^ a lot of this.
I'm ok with a Bass, Timmer, or TH vote and am still considering Matt. I'm not the best with roles though, so idk who is most important to lynch first.

The ones I'm most afraid of are possessing entity and trickster, assuming both are bad. But I don't know who any of their roles could be.

Even if SVS speculation is right and TH is saved by the lich and the lich is bad, it doesn't necessarily make TH the lich. It could be any of his teammates.

So, I'd prefer to just lynch whoever we feel most confident about.

#3616

Matt wrote:Hosts - If the Living Statue were lynched, would they come up as their most current alignment or Indy as they started off as?

I don't think this was answered. It would be the current alignment. Which could still be Indy.

#3617

Golden wrote:
LoRab wrote:And if he comes back civ, then I'm going to be of the belief that he's whatever the Seemer role is called in this game.
Trickster, although it's unclear to me if that ability can be used on themself upon death, it says "causing a lynched person to seem as though they were the role of his choice". LC/BR, can trickster use this ability on themself?

That reminds me of another thought I had.

LC/BR - what if the Trickster chose to use their seemer ability on the last person to die from a team? Would we still be immediately told the team is dead?

These weren't answered either

#3618

The Trickster is pretty tricky. It's a safe bet that they could pull off a trick like that. But the Trickster couldn't trick you into thinking that a dead team is alive.

How's this for a trick though? Timmer is off the poll today.

#3619

#3620

fingersplints wrote:I agree with ^^ a lot of this.
I'm ok with a Bass, Timmer, or TH vote and am still considering Matt. I'm not the best with roles though, so idk who is most important to lynch first.

Ditto to this. It seems like we are all on about the same page here it just comes down to choosing which one.

Long Con wrote:The Trickster is pretty tricky. It's a safe bet that they could pull off a trick like that. But the Trickster couldn't trick you into thinking that a dead team is alive.

How's this for a trick though? Timmer is off the poll today.

Looks like everyone is off the poll today!

#3621

Sorsha wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I agree with ^^ a lot of this.
I'm ok with a Bass, Timmer, or TH vote and am still considering Matt. I'm not the best with roles though, so idk who is most important to lynch first.
Ditto to this. It seems like we are all on about the same page here it just comes down to choosing which one.

Long Con wrote:The Trickster is pretty tricky. It's a safe bet that they could pull off a trick like that. But the Trickster couldn't trick you into thinking that a dead team is alive.

How's this for a trick though? Timmer is off the poll today.
Looks like everyone is off the poll today!

So... no timmer?

I'll probably vote bass or matt then.

#3622

Timmer being off the poll gives him no motive to vote for TH. I don't know how they did it, but it's clever, lol. I'd like to see TH lynched before he finds a cure.
If Bass is bad, i think he's more likely to be Cabal.

#3623

Timmer being off the poll ->

although it only reinforces my view of lynching him the moment the option is available.

Tranq, I agree that Bass is 'more likely cabal' because I specifically think he was responsible for the death of Bullz last night.

I also specifically believe either timmer or Matt F is responsible for the death of timmer 1.0. I hadn't thought about this in a while, but it makes me realise that even if Timmer is good, Matt must be bad. In fact, in a perverse way, Matt is more likely to be good if timmer is bad. Matt is possibly bad either way.

#3624

I think lynching Matt before TH is putting the cart before the horse. The main reason I suspect him is the connection to Timmer, and subsequently to TH. The only person he could have been saving with that list is TH.

#3625

S~V~S wrote:I think lynching Matt before TH is putting the cart before the horse. The main reason I suspect him is the connection to Timmer, and subsequently to TH. The only person he could have been saving with that list is TH.

Where do you see a tie between TH and Timmer? That's where I lose you.

#3626

@SVS - the thing is about matt, I just realised that I think he is bad if timmer is good. Adding that to the connection between matt and timmer if timmer is bad... it just makes matt look bad, to me.

#3627

I think Timmer was being thrown under the bus to save TH. He was the person who needed saving, the person who was NOT lynched via lynch save.

I think it is fairly obvious. You do not?

Linki, I think If *TH* is bad, then so is Matt. I think it likely Timmer is bad, too. But in any case, since Matts guilt is predicated on other peoples, I would rather lynch those other people first. So I am going to vote TH when the poll allows it. A saveof TH makes the most sense to me. The fact that Timmer is off the poll actually makes Matt look better to me, like with Timmeroff the poll Matt would be an obvious choice; a set up.

#3628

S~V~S wrote:I think Timmer was being thrown under the bus to save TH. He was the person who needed saving, the person who was NOT lynched via lynch save.

I think it is fairly obvious. You do not?

Linki, I think If *TH* is bad, then so is Matt. I think it likely Timmer is bad, too. But in any case, since Matts guilt is predicated on other peoples, I would rather lynch those other people first. So I am going to vote TH when the poll allows it. A saveof TH makes the most sense to me. The fact that Timmer is off the poll actually makes Matt look better to me, like with Timmeroff the poll Matt would be an obvious choice; a set up.

I don't know if what you say is obvious is obvious, because I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. TH was the person who was saved, not timmer. Timmer voted TH. So... do you mean TH was thrown under the bus to save timmer?

I've thought TH is bad for ages, but it isn't predicated on timmer.

#3629

I think we are getting caught up in knots anyway. I think TH, timmer, matt and bass are all bad. To me, the whys and wherefores are sort of semantics, I'm not sure the order matters (unless bass is the last cabal, in which case it is possible that order could matter, but unlikely).

#3630

Well I'm not bad so that theory is wrong.

#3631

I think there was a fail attempt to save TH by pushing Timmer with the sudden appearance of the list. That was why I found it so suspicious.

Regardless of our differing thoughts on the mechanics,with Timmer off the table,I think we will learn the most from a TH lynch.

Linki, @ Golden, lol

#3632

Yeah I guess I'm bad huh

An obvious baddie votes for me, I save myself from dying, therefore I'm bad. Makes sense.

#3633

And how do you come up with Matt and I being teammates? Lol he's been going after me for damn near half the game. Good luck getting that theory to make any sense.

#3634

Golden wrote:I also specifically believe either timmer or Matt F is responsible for the death of timmer 1.0. I hadn't thought about this in a while, but it makes me realise that even if Timmer is good, Matt must be bad. In fact, in a perverse way, Matt is more likely to be good if timmer is bad. Matt is possibly bad either way.

Like what are you even talking about Golden? What does this paragraph even mean?

#3635

Matt thinks I'm bad because Dr. Dre experimented on me.
Tranq thinks I'm bad because Wilgy didn't vote for me.
SVS thinks I'm bad because timmer voted for me and I survived (and also says all my defenses have been WIFOM... I'd love to hear how you'd defend against these accusations differently).
Golden thinks I'm bad because... I actually have no idea why Golden thinks I'm bad.

Did I miss anything?

#3636

Turnip Head wrote:And how do you come up with Matt and I being teammates? Lol he's been going after me for damn near half the game. Good luck getting that theory to make any sense.

Why not? He voted for Meyalmarsh the last three days,when it might have counted, not for you.

THIS post is all WIFOM, TH.

#3637

I just looked; he never voted for you as a final vote.

#3638

You are accusing me based on MATT's actions and TIMMER's actions, and Matt is accusing me based on DR. DRE's actions, and Tranq is accusing me based on WILGY's actions.

I don't really know how to defend myself from other people's actions without using WIFOM

#3639

If you'd like to accuse me of something based on my actions, I'm all ears. It would certainly be refreshing.

#3640

I am also suspecting you based on surviving that lynch

And the point about Matts votes was that your post that said it was ludicrous that you & Matt could be on the same team was specious, since even if he was after you for half the game, he never actually did anything to endanger you. So saying it made no sense for you & he to be on the same team is actually not correct.

I was just pointing that out.

#3641

S~V~S wrote:I think Timmer was being thrown under the bus to save TH. He was the person who needed saving, the person who was NOT lynched via lynch save.

I think it is fairly obvious. You do not?

Linki, I think If *TH* is bad, then so is Matt. I think it likely Timmer is bad, too. But in any case, since Matts guilt is predicated on other peoples, I would rather lynch those other people first. So I am going to vote TH when the poll allows it. A saveof TH makes the most sense to me. The fact that Timmer is off the poll actually makes Matt look better to me, like with Timmeroff the poll Matt would be an obvious choice; a set up.

No because I'm not sure I suspect TH in the first place. I think Matt might've thrown Timmer under the bus to gain cred.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well I'm not bad so that theory is wrong.

Well you haven't offered any thoughts so I don't care what you say about this until you offer something real. Honestly what the hell? You have time to make all of these quips, but not contribute substantially because you've coasted your way through this game.

You are bad.

S~V~S wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:And how do you come up with Matt and I being teammates? Lol he's been going after me for damn near half the game. Good luck getting that theory to make any sense.
Why not? He voted for Meyalmarsh the last three days,when it might have counted, not for you.

THIS post is all WIFOM, TH.

Your premise is also all WIFOM, though.

#3642

S~V~S wrote:I am also suspecting you based on surviving that lynch

Well you shouldn't. It had nothing to do with my role or anyone else's role.

Re: Matt, I see the point you're making about him never voting for me. But if you don't only look at votes and read the thread, I think it makes sense he votes for MM over me. He thinks MM is Dr. Dre and turned me evil or something, so he has to get MM lynched to prove that theory. In your words, he's not putting the cart before the horse.

And if you read the thread I think you'll find i disagree with Matt on that point. In fact I disagree with Matt on most of his points. And the only connection we have is that we've suspected one another. Maybe it's WIFOM to say you have your tinfoil hat on too tight, but you do.

I also don't understand your theory about Matt throwing timmer under the bus when it looks like Matt was the first to bring up the most damning point about timmer. Maybe it was three days too late or something, which iirc was something Matt openly admitted to, if he was on the same team as timmer why would he admit that? (Oh snap is that wifom) But if Matt hadn't brought it up I dont think timmer woukd have received so many subsequent votes, your own included. But you'll have to fill me in on how the above makes me bad with Matt and timmer in your mind. How do those actions read as "a save of TH" when you think Matt bussed timmer?

#3643

I will say I briefly had a specific role in mind for the marmot that I'm no longer sure about.

#3644

Golden wrote:Any one of those four is ok with me. I think they are all bad. I think they might be the last four baddies.

That's interesting. "...the last four baddies." By my count, there may be 4, 5, or *possibly* even 6 baddies left. Since Witherdeath has one more baddie on it, that must mean you are counting the other three as Circle of Decay.

How do you know Circle of Decay doesn't have all four left?

#3645

I'm putting my vote on bass as I did yesterday. I might change depending on how the day plays out, I'm in three games right now and afraid I'm going to mix up lynch times.

#3646

Sorsha wrote:I'm putting my vote on bass as I did yesterday. I might change depending on how the day plays out, I'm in three games right now and afraid I'm going to mix up lynch times.

How do you feel about Golden knowing the exact number of baddies left?

#3647

Matt wrote:
Sorsha wrote:I'm putting my vote on bass as I did yesterday. I might change depending on how the day plays out, I'm in three games right now and afraid I'm going to mix up lynch times.
How do you feel about Golden knowing the exact number of baddies left?

I'm most confident about Goldens civvieness than anyone else here so it doesn't really bother me. I don't know where he got the info from but it doesn't concern me.

Why are you assuming that he is right?

#3648

Y'know what's funny? I thought to myself "Maybe Golden still thinks Dr Wilgy was Trickster, so that's why he had it down to four baddies." Gotta be, right? But wait, he posted this post after saying pretty matter of factly "...the last four baddies"...

Golden wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I agree with ^^ a lot of this.
I'm ok with a Bass, Timmer, or TH vote and am still considering Matt. I'm not the best with roles though, so idk who is most important to lynch first.
The ones I'm most afraid of are possessing entity and trickster, assuming both are bad. But I don't know who any of their roles could be.

Even if SVS speculation is right and TH is saved by the lich and the lich is bad, it doesn't necessarily make TH the lich. It could be any of his teammates.

So, I'd prefer to just lynch whoever we feel most confident about.

Per the underline, clearly Golden does not still think Wilgy is Trickster or he just doesn't 'know, and also, he says "assuming both are bad", so he's not even sure Trickster is bad. Therefore, when he stated "...the last four baddies", he could not have been referring to Wilgy also dying.

So again, Golden, how do you know there are only four baddies left?

Linki - Lol Sorsha. I don't know if he's right. But he sounded pretty sure when saying there was four baddies left. Why are you so confident about his civvieness?

#3649

Golden

#3650

Turnip Head wrote:Re: Matt, I see the point you're making about him never voting for me. But if you don't only look at votes and read the thread, I think it makes sense he votes for MM over me. He thinks MM is Dr. Dre and turned me evil or something, so he has to get MM lynched to prove that theory. In your words, he's not putting the cart before the horse.

Thanks bud. But at this point, SVS has found her itch and she's gonna scratch it town be damned.

Based on Golden's comments, I'm not so sure my theory on you/MM still holds. That doesn't mean I think you're necessarily good, but would you like to form an alliance to lynch Golden? Golden supposedly knows how many Mafia are left, it's cray cray.

Who to lynch? 24 hour day!