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Ok, I have basically caught up.A quick answer to Juliets and HB.
I did not respond to LoRabs responses to her suspicion because I saw no point. She took her time, made her excuses, and as far as I am concerned, carefully crafted her response so it was 'just perfect'. The fact that she was under suspicion because of her wording means she was careful to try and debunk that theory. LoRab is not a player to be underestimated. She is smart. She is crafty. She is a damn good mafia player. She is also one that is hard for the masses to suspect because of that. Mostly I am running on gut. If I were a baddie trying to take down LoRab for no good reason, I would have dropped it after it didn't work. LoRab is a personal friend of mine and I won't go after her unless she twists my gut (except for the brief period I always thought she was bad). I also have played with her for 7 years and know for a damn fact she is not an easy target to get lynched. This is not baddie BR trying to take out an easy target. This is BR acting on her gut. When I act on my gut I cannot give you the proper reasons, the reasons some of you need to make sense of all. I have not built a case because there will be no good case to build. LoRab was accused early and she will be careful.
Could I be wrong? Damn right I could. I didn't role check her and I can't know with certainty. Am I questioning myself? Yes, because I am starting to wonder is HB has information I do not. If HB does not tell me he knows without a doubt she is civ then I will not trust LoRab this game.
I will go back and address any other concerns juliets and HB have.
I did not respond to LoRabs responses to her suspicion because I saw no point. She took her time, made her excuses, and as far as I am concerned, carefully crafted her response so it was 'just perfect'. The fact that she was under suspicion because of her wording means she was careful to try and debunk that theory. LoRab is not a player to be underestimated. She is smart. She is crafty. She is a damn good mafia player. She is also one that is hard for the masses to suspect because of that. Mostly I am running on gut. If I were a baddie trying to take down LoRab for no good reason, I would have dropped it after it didn't work. LoRab is a personal friend of mine and I won't go after her unless she twists my gut (except for the brief period I always thought she was bad). I also have played with her for 7 years and know for a damn fact she is not an easy target to get lynched. This is not baddie BR trying to take out an easy target. This is BR acting on her gut. When I act on my gut I cannot give you the proper reasons, the reasons some of you need to make sense of all. I have not built a case because there will be no good case to build. LoRab was accused early and she will be careful.
Could I be wrong? Damn right I could. I didn't role check her and I can't know with certainty. Am I questioning myself? Yes, because I am starting to wonder is HB has information I do not. If HB does not tell me he knows without a doubt she is civ then I will not trust LoRab this game.
I will go back and address any other concerns juliets and HB have.
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Re: Day 3.0 ~ 2015 Game of Champions
BR I don't remember you being so committed in the previous games we played together. You on holidays or something?
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I have no information and am not doubtless that she is town.
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I've eaten python, but it was too tough. Didn't like it.MacDougall wrote:I want to eat snake eggs. Has anyone done it?
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MacDougall wrote:BR I don't remember you being so committed in the previous games we played together. You on holidays or something?
I've been busy since June, January - April are my quiet months. I've been a pretty crappy player as of late. I joined this game promising myself I would get back to the true Mafia BR! At least for a game. There is folklore that surrounds that Black Rock that I feel I haven't been living up to. I once was so committed to Mafia that I even voted while in labour for my second born child?
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I delivered our third child at home.Black Rock wrote: I once was so committed to Mafia that I even voted while in labour for my second born child?
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I would be too afraid, I need a doctor to kick.Epignosis wrote:I delivered our third child at home.Black Rock wrote: I once was so committed to Mafia that I even voted while in labour for my second born child?
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A question for LoRab before I go back and do what I said I would do... What do you think of HB defending you?
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WhaaaaaaaaaaaatBlack Rock wrote:MacDougall wrote:BR I don't remember you being so committed in the previous games we played together. You on holidays or something?
I've been busy since June, January - April are my quiet months. I've been a pretty crappy player as of late. I joined this game promising myself I would get back to the true Mafia BR! At least for a game. There is folklore that surrounds that Black Rock that I feel I haven't been living up to. I once was so committed to Mafia that I even voted while in labour for my second born child?
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ok - so you guys - you know how I tink all the time that *this time* I might have enough time to mafia?
I was looking forward to catching up on 58 pages of thread (really - I'm on page 3.)
And then of course, because i'm never allowed to be happy, so major shit just went down in my store. I'm srrsly crying right now because I lost my two most trusted employees. One of them admited to me, "they were so convinced that they were right and they kept threatening to call the police I just said yes to save my family the hurt."
I lost two of my brothers tonight. I should be happy to play with all of you scandalous bastards again. And I am. But in 48 hours I lost Bowie and my left and right arm of my store.
I'd srrsly appriciate serveral sumarries of the thread right now. As it is, I'll now hit the host posts and go from there unless anyone can point me to something specific that I should look at.
I'm really fucking broken right now.![Sad :(](./images/smilies/sad.gif)
I was looking forward to catching up on 58 pages of thread (really - I'm on page 3.)
And then of course, because i'm never allowed to be happy, so major shit just went down in my store. I'm srrsly crying right now because I lost my two most trusted employees. One of them admited to me, "they were so convinced that they were right and they kept threatening to call the police I just said yes to save my family the hurt."
I lost two of my brothers tonight. I should be happy to play with all of you scandalous bastards again. And I am. But in 48 hours I lost Bowie and my left and right arm of my store.
I'd srrsly appriciate serveral sumarries of the thread right now. As it is, I'll now hit the host posts and go from there unless anyone can point me to something specific that I should look at.
I'm really fucking broken right now.
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juliets wrote:OK, I finally got re-started though I'm disheartened on the BR iso. I'm doing the backhalf first because I just can't do that first half over again right now.
Here are the things BR said about Ricochet early in the game. Note these posts were interspersed with the posts about Lorab:
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[/spoiler]Black Rock wrote:a2thezebra wrote:I'm voting for you because you're using your post count to control the direction of the thread, and you're using your attitude as an excuse for any suspicious things you might happen to say. Your wrap-up post above seems like a genuine effort, but in the greater context of your ISO it can't be trusted as genuine. And your gimmick seems to have even fooled some of the players. Black Rock for instance made the point that as a baddie you wouldn't have a decent reason to call so much attention to yourself. I know the reason. To get as many people as possible to think just that, that you wouldn't be so "reckless" as a baddie to perform the way you have. I'm not perfect but I like to think I'm pretty decent at being able to tell the difference between civ WIFOM and mafia WIFOM, and you reek of the latter.
I was trying to stay out of the WIFOM of it all, your point is valid and maybe I shouldn't just chalk it up to crap non-baddie behaviour. He does make me want to vote him for his crap posts.
I'll stop here for a minute just to say it appears BR didn't take Ricochet seriously from the beginning. She didn't change her opinion of him and didn't vote him (she voted Lorab of course). Her reactions to him appear normal to me. This section does not include all her responses to Rico but is a good sampling.
Here BR expresses what I would call a ping against Sorsha. I don't know what to think of this - I include it in case anyone else sees it as important:
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This is the next quote on the subject. I believe she is talking to JJJ:
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BR's thoughts on Tranq: "Tranqs behaviour is starting to give me uncomfortable tingles. When Tranq plays a game he invests himself. If he's not investing in the thread it makes me think he's invested in BTSC." From playing with Tranq i know this is true and I too am having some doubts about him.
BR Question to Hamburger Boy: "Do you have a stake in LoRabs survival? Are you absolutely sure she won't flip bad? I'm not, in fact I think she will flip mafia. I am interested in other avenues though, like JJJ and Tranq. What avenues do you want us to explore?" Just shows how she is thinking recently.
Thats the back half of BR's Iso. Though I had two pings one was small and I don't feel like there is enough there for me to vote for her. I could not include every quote but i don't think I left out anything significant. Her latest suspicions I agree with one (Tranq) but disagree with the other (JJJ). I decided back before the first vote that Lorab sounded sincere to me when she answered the questions asked of her so I don't agree with BR there either. After a short rest I will do the front half of this iso that includes all the Lorab stuff.[/quote]
First point, I do not have a ping against Sorsha. I was just making a point. I have not read any posts of Sorshas that have made me suspicious of her.
With that said as my first point I am not going to address anything about Rico beyond this... I fully admitted that I got caught up and distracted by Rico. I should have known better. Most of my resposes to him were sarcastic and not meaningful.
I think I already addressed the LoRab stuff.
I'm glad you can see the Tranq thing. I was surprised at Sorshas response to it.
Juliets? Do you not think a baddie curser would target a teammate (especially early in the game) to try and distance, maybe try and frame a different player?
I don't feel there was much for me to address here. It seemed more before I started.
Linki: Bea I am so sad for you. I hope things get better. Honestly I think you should move forward from here and then check back on specific things as needed.
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Re: Day 3.0 ~ 2015 Game of Champions
So sorry to hear that Bea.bea wrote:ok - so you guys - you know how I tink all the time that *this time* I might have enough time to mafia?
I was looking forward to catching up on 58 pages of thread (really - I'm on page 3.)
And then of course, because i'm never allowed to be happy, so major shit just went down in my store. I'm srrsly crying right now because I lost my two most trusted employees. One of them admited to me, "they were so convinced that they were right and they kept threatening to call the police I just said yes to save my family the hurt."
I lost two of my brothers tonight. I should be happy to play with all of you scandalous bastards again. And I am. But in 48 hours I lost Bowie and my left and right arm of my store.
I'd srrsly appriciate serveral sumarries of the thread right now. As it is, I'll now hit the host posts and go from there unless anyone can point me to something specific that I should look at.
I'm really fucking broken right now.
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Re: [Night 0] 2015 Game of Champions
please don't vocoro posts anyomre. As much as I love hearing your lovely voices I'll not always be in a place where I can easily access them.
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Thanks. It really sucks to hear both of them tell me they are "suspended." I've been around the block well enough to know what "suspended" means. My bosses aren't saying shit. It REALLY SUCKS to have two people you love. You love so much, you TRUST so much, say "I don't want you to think I did this. My worry was that you would think I"m a bad person. I love you."MacDougall wrote:So sorry to hear that Bea.bea wrote:ok - so you guys - you know how I tink all the time that *this time* I might have enough time to mafia?
I was looking forward to catching up on 58 pages of thread (really - I'm on page 3.)
And then of course, because i'm never allowed to be happy, so major shit just went down in my store. I'm srrsly crying right now because I lost my two most trusted employees. One of them admited to me, "they were so convinced that they were right and they kept threatening to call the police I just said yes to save my family the hurt."
I lost two of my brothers tonight. I should be happy to play with all of you scandalous bastards again. And I am. But in 48 hours I lost Bowie and my left and right arm of my store.
I'd srrsly appriciate serveral sumarries of the thread right now. As it is, I'll now hit the host posts and go from there unless anyone can point me to something specific that I should look at.
I'm really fucking broken right now.
Can someone please set me on a breadcrumb mafia place soon? cuz I'm tired and sad from adulting too much. I've only got so many tears left.
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Re: Day 3.0 ~ 2015 Game of Champions
Lorab, Boomslang, JaggedJimmyJay, juliets and LC and Llama are attracting the most attention. It might be a nice idea to look into people other than them.bea wrote:Thanks. It really sucks to hear both of them tell me they are "suspended." I've been around the block well enough to know what "suspended" means. My bosses aren't saying shit. It REALLY SUCKS to have two people you love. You love so much, you TRUST so much, say "I don't want you to think I did this. My worry was that you would think I"m a bad person. I love you."MacDougall wrote:So sorry to hear that Bea.bea wrote:ok - so you guys - you know how I tink all the time that *this time* I might have enough time to mafia?
I was looking forward to catching up on 58 pages of thread (really - I'm on page 3.)
And then of course, because i'm never allowed to be happy, so major shit just went down in my store. I'm srrsly crying right now because I lost my two most trusted employees. One of them admited to me, "they were so convinced that they were right and they kept threatening to call the police I just said yes to save my family the hurt."
I lost two of my brothers tonight. I should be happy to play with all of you scandalous bastards again. And I am. But in 48 hours I lost Bowie and my left and right arm of my store.
I'd srrsly appriciate serveral sumarries of the thread right now. As it is, I'll now hit the host posts and go from there unless anyone can point me to something specific that I should look at.
I'm really fucking broken right now.
Can someone please set me on a breadcrumb mafia place soon? cuz I'm tired and sad from adulting too much. I've only got so many tears left.
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Just finished reading up. Will answer this before I go off to sleep. Will answer other things tomorrow. But this is a direct question and came at the end (I may have cut and copied a bunch of quotes to paste into a window to respond to during my read, and then forgot I did, and cut and pasted something else and lost that entire thing).Black Rock wrote:A question for LoRab before I go back and do what I said I would do... What do you think of HB defending you?
Quite honestly, I find it suspicious. I think your suspicion of me is misguided but honest. I believe that you honestly think that I'm bad--it's not like you to make that up. And you wouldn't do that against me. I think those points are BS. I know that you're wrong. But I think that it's coming from the right place. You may be bad, but your suspicion of me isn't evidence of that.
HB's posts, though, they feel like they're sucking up. He's being too nice about it, if that makes sense. And it's not like he knows me well enough to know how to read me. The more he defends me, the less good I feel about it. A civ, I think, wouldn't defend another civ that strongly because it would put targets on both of them. A baddie would defend a civ to gain credit. So, yeah, it makes me increasingly uneasy about him.
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Re: Day 3.0 ~ 2015 Game of Champions
thanks for that. I think.MacDougall wrote:Lorab, Boomslang, JaggedJimmyJay, juliets and LC and Llama are attracting the most attention. It might be a nice idea to look into people other than them.bea wrote:Thanks. It really sucks to hear both of them tell me they are "suspended." I've been around the block well enough to know what "suspended" means. My bosses aren't saying shit. It REALLY SUCKS to have two people you love. You love so much, you TRUST so much, say "I don't want you to think I did this. My worry was that you would think I"m a bad person. I love you."MacDougall wrote:So sorry to hear that Bea.bea wrote:ok - so you guys - you know how I tink all the time that *this time* I might have enough time to mafia?
I was looking forward to catching up on 58 pages of thread (really - I'm on page 3.)
And then of course, because i'm never allowed to be happy, so major shit just went down in my store. I'm srrsly crying right now because I lost my two most trusted employees. One of them admited to me, "they were so convinced that they were right and they kept threatening to call the police I just said yes to save my family the hurt."
I lost two of my brothers tonight. I should be happy to play with all of you scandalous bastards again. And I am. But in 48 hours I lost Bowie and my left and right arm of my store.
I'd srrsly appriciate serveral sumarries of the thread right now. As it is, I'll now hit the host posts and go from there unless anyone can point me to something specific that I should look at.
I'm really fucking broken right now.
Can someone please set me on a breadcrumb mafia place soon? cuz I'm tired and sad from adulting too much. I've only got so many tears left.
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Re: Day 3.0 ~ 2015 Game of Champions
This post is the first post that made me feel better about you, not perfectly better but it does help me evaluate a few of my thoughts.LoRab wrote:Just finished reading up. Will answer this before I go off to sleep. Will answer other things tomorrow. But this is a direct question and came at the end (I may have cut and copied a bunch of quotes to paste into a window to respond to during my read, and then forgot I did, and cut and pasted something else and lost that entire thing).Black Rock wrote:A question for LoRab before I go back and do what I said I would do... What do you think of HB defending you?
Quite honestly, I find it suspicious. I think your suspicion of me is misguided but honest. I believe that you honestly think that I'm bad--it's not like you to make that up. And you wouldn't do that against me. I think those points are BS. I know that you're wrong. But I think that it's coming from the right place. You may be bad, but your suspicion of me isn't evidence of that.
HB's posts, though, they feel like they're sucking up. He's being too nice about it, if that makes sense. And it's not like he knows me well enough to know how to read me. The more he defends me, the less good I feel about it. A civ, I think, wouldn't defend another civ that strongly because it would put targets on both of them. A baddie would defend a civ to gain credit. So, yeah, it makes me increasingly uneasy about him.
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Re: Day 3.0 ~ 2015 Game of Champions
bea wrote:thanks for that. I think.MacDougall wrote:Lorab, Boomslang, JaggedJimmyJay, juliets and LC and Llama are attracting the most attention. It might be a nice idea to look into people other than them.bea wrote:Thanks. It really sucks to hear both of them tell me they are "suspended." I've been around the block well enough to know what "suspended" means. My bosses aren't saying shit. It REALLY SUCKS to have two people you love. You love so much, you TRUST so much, say "I don't want you to think I did this. My worry was that you would think I"m a bad person. I love you."MacDougall wrote:So sorry to hear that Bea.bea wrote:ok - so you guys - you know how I tink all the time that *this time* I might have enough time to mafia?
I was looking forward to catching up on 58 pages of thread (really - I'm on page 3.)
And then of course, because i'm never allowed to be happy, so major shit just went down in my store. I'm srrsly crying right now because I lost my two most trusted employees. One of them admited to me, "they were so convinced that they were right and they kept threatening to call the police I just said yes to save my family the hurt."
I lost two of my brothers tonight. I should be happy to play with all of you scandalous bastards again. And I am. But in 48 hours I lost Bowie and my left and right arm of my store.
I'd srrsly appriciate serveral sumarries of the thread right now. As it is, I'll now hit the host posts and go from there unless anyone can point me to something specific that I should look at.
I'm really fucking broken right now.
Can someone please set me on a breadcrumb mafia place soon? cuz I'm tired and sad from adulting too much. I've only got so many tears left.
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Re: Day 3.0 ~ 2015 Game of Champions
So you're completely caught up?LoRab wrote:Just finished reading up. Will answer this before I go off to sleep. Will answer other things tomorrow. But this is a direct question and came at the end (I may have cut and copied a bunch of quotes to paste into a window to respond to during my read, and then forgot I did, and cut and pasted something else and lost that entire thing).Black Rock wrote:A question for LoRab before I go back and do what I said I would do... What do you think of HB defending you?
Quite honestly, I find it suspicious. I think your suspicion of me is misguided but honest. I believe that you honestly think that I'm bad--it's not like you to make that up. And you wouldn't do that against me. I think those points are BS. I know that you're wrong. But I think that it's coming from the right place. You may be bad, but your suspicion of me isn't evidence of that.
HB's posts, though, they feel like they're sucking up. He's being too nice about it, if that makes sense. And it's not like he knows me well enough to know how to read me. The more he defends me, the less good I feel about it. A civ, I think, wouldn't defend another civ that strongly because it would put targets on both of them. A baddie would defend a civ to gain credit. So, yeah, it makes me increasingly uneasy about him.
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I've been caught up throughout the game--whether I've had time to fully respond has been my challenge. I know I have things to respond to from the past RL day (as I said). I will get to that tomorrow. Am not nearly awake enough at the moment.Epignosis wrote:So you're completely caught up?LoRab wrote:Just finished reading up. Will answer this before I go off to sleep. Will answer other things tomorrow. But this is a direct question and came at the end (I may have cut and copied a bunch of quotes to paste into a window to respond to during my read, and then forgot I did, and cut and pasted something else and lost that entire thing).Black Rock wrote:A question for LoRab before I go back and do what I said I would do... What do you think of HB defending you?
Quite honestly, I find it suspicious. I think your suspicion of me is misguided but honest. I believe that you honestly think that I'm bad--it's not like you to make that up. And you wouldn't do that against me. I think those points are BS. I know that you're wrong. But I think that it's coming from the right place. You may be bad, but your suspicion of me isn't evidence of that.
HB's posts, though, they feel like they're sucking up. He's being too nice about it, if that makes sense. And it's not like he knows me well enough to know how to read me. The more he defends me, the less good I feel about it. A civ, I think, wouldn't defend another civ that strongly because it would put targets on both of them. A baddie would defend a civ to gain credit. So, yeah, it makes me increasingly uneasy about him.
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LoRab wrote:I've been caught up throughout the game--whether I've had time to fully respond has been my challenge. I know I have things to respond to from the past RL day (as I said). I will get to that tomorrow. Am not nearly awake enough at the moment.Epignosis wrote:So you're completely caught up?LoRab wrote:Just finished reading up. Will answer this before I go off to sleep. Will answer other things tomorrow. But this is a direct question and came at the end (I may have cut and copied a bunch of quotes to paste into a window to respond to during my read, and then forgot I did, and cut and pasted something else and lost that entire thing).Black Rock wrote:A question for LoRab before I go back and do what I said I would do... What do you think of HB defending you?
Quite honestly, I find it suspicious. I think your suspicion of me is misguided but honest. I believe that you honestly think that I'm bad--it's not like you to make that up. And you wouldn't do that against me. I think those points are BS. I know that you're wrong. But I think that it's coming from the right place. You may be bad, but your suspicion of me isn't evidence of that.
HB's posts, though, they feel like they're sucking up. He's being too nice about it, if that makes sense. And it's not like he knows me well enough to know how to read me. The more he defends me, the less good I feel about it. A civ, I think, wouldn't defend another civ that strongly because it would put targets on both of them. A baddie would defend a civ to gain credit. So, yeah, it makes me increasingly uneasy about him.
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People call me defensive of other players as both scum and town. I defended sig and pretty heavily the previous two games I played with him, for example; A World Reborn I was scum and he was civ, the other (RYM #91) I was civ and he was scum (this was more of a brief defense admittedly, but I totally dismissed a legit scumslip he had made and told everyone it was just a mistake and normal for him).LoRab wrote:HB's posts, though, they feel like they're sucking up. He's being too nice about it, if that makes sense. And it's not like he knows me well enough to know how to read me. The more he defends me, the less good I feel about it. A civ, I think, wouldn't defend another civ that strongly because it would put targets on both of them. A baddie would defend a civ to gain credit. So, yeah, it makes me increasingly uneasy about him.
Do you agree with llama that people shouldn't have defended/stated the towniness of Fuzz, that it put a target on him?
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I generally believe that unless someone is under heavy suspicion, and an opinion of civ-ness will be helpful to prevent a false lynch, that stating that someone is a civ and proclaiming a likely civ-hood/trustedness is not a great idea. there are exceptions to the rule. Fuzz was not one of those exceptions.HamburgerBoy wrote:People call me defensive of other players as both scum and town. I defended sig and pretty heavily the previous two games I played with him, for example; A World Reborn I was scum and he was civ, the other (RYM #91) I was civ and he was scum (this was more of a brief defense admittedly, but I totally dismissed a legit scumslip he had made and told everyone it was just a mistake and normal for him).LoRab wrote:HB's posts, though, they feel like they're sucking up. He's being too nice about it, if that makes sense. And it's not like he knows me well enough to know how to read me. The more he defends me, the less good I feel about it. A civ, I think, wouldn't defend another civ that strongly because it would put targets on both of them. A baddie would defend a civ to gain credit. So, yeah, it makes me increasingly uneasy about him.
Do you agree with llama that people shouldn't have defended/stated the towniness of Fuzz, that it put a target on him?
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I'm a marmot.bea wrote:ok - so you guys - you know how I tink all the time that *this time* I might have enough time to mafia?
I was looking forward to catching up on 58 pages of thread (really - I'm on page 3.)
And then of course, because i'm never allowed to be happy, so major shit just went down in my store. I'm srrsly crying right now because I lost my two most trusted employees. One of them admited to me, "they were so convinced that they were right and they kept threatening to call the police I just said yes to save my family the hurt."
I lost two of my brothers tonight. I should be happy to play with all of you scandalous bastards again. And I am. But in 48 hours I lost Bowie and my left and right arm of my store.
I'd srrsly appriciate serveral sumarries of the thread right now. As it is, I'll now hit the host posts and go from there unless anyone can point me to something specific that I should look at.
I'm really fucking broken right now.
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Let me interject for just one moment because I was thinking about this just a moment ago actually. I get annoyed when other people jump to the defense of people while I am frisking them but sometimes you just have to point out fallacies. What you did with the dismissal of a scumslip and saying it was normal for him falls into the category of would frustrate me. Whereas disputing with Golden that scum teams kill players for being largely civ read is disputing facts. I have killed players for being too civilian but it's not usually the only reason. Also I am a hypocrite.HamburgerBoy wrote:People call me defensive of other players as both scum and town. I defended sig and pretty heavily the previous two games I played with him, for example; A World Reborn I was scum and he was civ, the other (RYM #91) I was civ and he was scum (this was more of a brief defense admittedly, but I totally dismissed a legit scumslip he had made and told everyone it was just a mistake and normal for him).LoRab wrote:HB's posts, though, they feel like they're sucking up. He's being too nice about it, if that makes sense. And it's not like he knows me well enough to know how to read me. The more he defends me, the less good I feel about it. A civ, I think, wouldn't defend another civ that strongly because it would put targets on both of them. A baddie would defend a civ to gain credit. So, yeah, it makes me increasingly uneasy about him.
Do you agree with llama that people shouldn't have defended/stated the towniness of Fuzz, that it put a target on him?
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Caught up...
I also have a slight suss of FZ for reasons and I would like her to give me her read of Epignosis.
RIP bcornett, Fuzz, and Timmer. You three shall be avenged!
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Lol. Golden's obvi bad. Even when Golden was forced to vote for sig in Dune where sig was bad and Golden was civ, Golden was like "Sorry sig I don't wanna do this" or something to that effect. I think an iso of Golden is in order!Golden wrote:@sig - I think you've defended well and defended all the cases. You've done enough to give me doubt. I'm by no means certain about you.
But you've also done enough to make me feel comfortable about voting your way, I feel good about it. But when people (including me) defend you for 'just being sig'... well, that shouldn't be dismissed. There is genuinely something to you getting lynched for nothing. In this case I just don't feel it is nothing.
I guess we will see.
I also have a slight suss of FZ for reasons and I would like her to give me her read of Epignosis.
RIP bcornett, Fuzz, and Timmer. You three shall be avenged!
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Re: Day 3.0 ~ 2015 Game of Champions
There can be an offensive value to a defense as well. For example, I knew something seemed off when rundontwalk didn't put up even one peep about my defense of sig, because he has made big deals over "scumslips" that were basically non-existent. Even if I'm being obnoxious, I don't want anyone to take it as me shutting them down (unless they're bandwagoners in which case I'll whine and pester and throw out other targets and try to get something new to happen). Like, if player X is grilling player Y, I'll try to wait for Y to provide their own defense first because I don't want to sabotage X's efforts.MacDougall wrote:Let me interject for just one moment because I was thinking about this just a moment ago actually. I get annoyed when other people jump to the defense of people while I am frisking them but sometimes you just have to point out fallacies. What you did with the dismissal of a scumslip and saying it was normal for him falls into the category of would frustrate me. Whereas disputing with Golden that scum teams kill players for being largely civ read is disputing facts. I have killed players for being too civilian but it's not usually the only reason. Also I am a hypocrite.
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Here's why I suspect JJJ. He first became my suspect when Zebra was revealed as the curser. The theory is that Jimmy's belief that Llama was the one who cursed him was fake. JJJ is an experienced player, and I don't think an experienced player would jump to the conclusion that the person who he had some suspicion about would be his curser, with any certainty. JJJ's Smiley posts condemned Llama and might have gotten him lynched if not for Rico's shenanigans. No waiting to have a discourse, not consideration that it was a frame, just right to the idea that Llama cursed him, and here's why.
The way that JJJ dealt with it, coupled with the way that Zebra interacted with the idea, leads me to the belief that it was a plan. To put it another way - starting on a little thought journey into the baddie BTSC, discussing how to take advantage of a cursing role beyond the meagre reward of messing with someone... what I saw with the two of them looks a lot like a plan.
Going from this post:
Here's another thing, read this one and then consider:
Here's the actual quote by Jimmy. Does it read like he's proposing two different possibilities? One, where Llama is bad, and the other, where Llama is Civ?
Another vaguer ping: After he got accused of this, he began an impressive, 'really-Civvish' ISO of Zebra. It was very helpful, and I believe several people thanked him for it. It's just the kind of thing that's easy to look at and say "this is good, solid contribution, very helpful to the Civs." What I see is one trick in the bag of tricks that an experienced player like JJJ knows will buy some cred.
I think that's pretty much it. Maybe a few gut feelings to shore it up. That's my JJJ case.
The way that JJJ dealt with it, coupled with the way that Zebra interacted with the idea, leads me to the belief that it was a plan. To put it another way - starting on a little thought journey into the baddie BTSC, discussing how to take advantage of a cursing role beyond the meagre reward of messing with someone... what I saw with the two of them looks a lot like a plan.
Going from this post:
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This isn't the only time he has defended against my theory with the notion that being unable to clearly communicate for one phase makes the framing plan valueless. That makes no sense, and here's why I say that: First, JJJ quite capably made the case in Smiley talk that he thought Llama cursed him and wished to lynch him for it. Second, JJJ gets to talk after the curse is over, and so would have plenty of time to make the case later on, so "can't actually turn into a case constructed of legible words" is not realistic. Zebra's unexpected death and reveal changed the plan irrevocably, does anyone believe that Jimmy would not have continued hunting for Llama's blood based on the idea Llama cursed him?JJJ wrote:Now we know that's because she was responsible. There's no value in trying to frame somebody if it can't actually turn into a case constructed of legible words.
Here's another thing, read this one and then consider:
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That line in pink is what he claims meant "It implies two realities: one in which llama has team mates and one in which he does not. If he does not have team mates, he isn't bad". The claims are quite obviously false when you read the post. Note who is asking him as well.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't know whether llama did that. Maybe llama has team mates.a2thezebra wrote:Could you clarify why you thought/think that he cursed you?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Cool well as long as llama willfully ignores me I'm gonna go ahead and continue trying to guide him to the guillotine.
I was a threat to nobody on Night 0, being so vocally detached and lazy as I was. I made exactly one case against someone that was remotely substantive, that being llama. Llama addressed some posts in the general vicinity of that case, but never responded to anything I said. At any point. The next day I was posting in emoticons. Maybe there's a connection. Even if not, his ignorance of me is clearly deliberate at this point and I don't think town llama has any reason to ignore me. I've done nothing to insult him in any prior game, and I have not been a significant part of this game's torrent pace -- so I haven't annoyed him either. All I've done is cast suspicion upon him, both in the form of Night 0 text and Day 1 emojis.
He hasn't given me the time of day. I think he should become dead as soon as possible.
Another vaguer ping: After he got accused of this, he began an impressive, 'really-Civvish' ISO of Zebra. It was very helpful, and I believe several people thanked him for it. It's just the kind of thing that's easy to look at and say "this is good, solid contribution, very helpful to the Civs." What I see is one trick in the bag of tricks that an experienced player like JJJ knows will buy some cred.
I think that's pretty much it. Maybe a few gut feelings to shore it up. That's my JJJ case.
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Oh yeah, and the reasons for a couple more minor pings.
Appeal To Emotion:
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And Not Going To Be Around:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This I understand. I'm not normally the sort to dismiss things like that. I've tried to explain here that my frankness and coldness is the result of significant Mafia burnout. There's also the fact that the most heartbreaking sporting disaster of my lifetime occurred on Sunday and it's left a hole inside me that is seriously a torment. That might sound silly to many, rightfully so, but I invest a great deal of emotion in the Bengals and they traumatized me. This could perhaps be OT text, but I think it's relevant to people understanding why I'm behaving the way I am.
I don't mean to be a jerk though. I'm sorry if I have been, y'all.
Both these things are strategies I have seen baddies use more than once.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm in for a really busy day, so this might be a quiet phase for me. I'm changing my continent of residence in a few months.
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You just pretty much demonstrated how my civ game in Dune, where by the way I thought sig was bad, is exactly the same as the game I'm playing here. I tend to express the various sides of my conflicted emotions when civ.Matt wrote:Caught up...
Lol. Golden's obvi bad. Even when Golden was forced to vote for sig in Dune where sig was bad and Golden was civ, Golden was like "Sorry sig I don't wanna do this" or something to that effect. I think an iso of Golden is in order!Golden wrote:@sig - I think you've defended well and defended all the cases. You've done enough to give me doubt. I'm by no means certain about you.
But you've also done enough to make me feel comfortable about voting your way, I feel good about it. But when people (including me) defend you for 'just being sig'... well, that shouldn't be dismissed. There is genuinely something to you getting lynched for nothing. In this case I just don't feel it is nothing.
I guess we will see.
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I'll say, this game is the BR I remember from good old RM days.Black Rock wrote:MacDougall wrote:BR I don't remember you being so committed in the previous games we played together. You on holidays or something?
I've been busy since June, January - April are my quiet months. I've been a pretty crappy player as of late. I joined this game promising myself I would get back to the true Mafia BR! At least for a game. There is folklore that surrounds that Black Rock that I feel I haven't been living up to. I once was so committed to Mafia that I even voted while in labour for my second born child?
Linki: ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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Epignosis, please give a simple civ/baddie/indy/unsure response of the following players...
Golden, FZ, 3J, and Metalmarsh.
Llama - Are you still suspicious of Mac or have you completely dropped it now that the two of you have successfully helped get sig lynched? MacD, what's your read of Llama?
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Linki - I'll have to go check Dune then, Golden, I swore you didn't want to lynch him.
Golden, FZ, 3J, and Metalmarsh.
Llama - Are you still suspicious of Mac or have you completely dropped it now that the two of you have successfully helped get sig lynched? MacD, what's your read of Llama?
Thank you for your cooperation.
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Linki - I'll have to go check Dune then, Golden, I swore you didn't want to lynch him.
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I didn't want to lynch him like that. But I was also the one saying that the fact we were all forced to vote him didn't make him civ (a conclusion that many others jumped to).Matt wrote:Linki - I'll have to go check Dune then, Golden, I swore you didn't want to lynch him.
And anyway, I don't really understand where your analogy is coming from, in that no-one was forced to vote sig yesterday, so I'm not sure why you'd expect me to be particularly negative about his lynch situation. I was one of the driving thread forces speaking to the fact I thought sig's behaviour was bad. Saying he'd created doubt in my mind was the truth, but I don't tend to be redirected by doubt, because I regret second guessing my correct reads a lot more than I regret getting a read wrong.
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Ps Matt, search your feelings, you know it is true (that I express multiple sides of conflicted emotions when civ). Trying to compare one sig lynch to another sig lynch in different circumstances is hardly using your full knowledge of my meta.
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I dunno, that post of yours I quoted sounded basically like "Yo sig, great defense. I think you could be alright. But hey, gonna keep my vote where it is, k champ?" I'm hesitant to ever vote for sig early ever again really, and I was surprised to see you were one of the peeps leading the charge on him.
What's your read of Epignosis?
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Re: Day 3.0 ~ 2015 Game of Champions
Its silly to be hesitant to vote for someone early ever again. You vote for who you think is bad. I defend sig when I think the case on him is bollocks and trumped up. Sig was not getting caught in apparent (but really not actual) scumslips. Plus, don't forget... I was calling him out as bad in Dune. I was calling him good in Reborn. I was calling him bad in Broadway. My reads on sig have generally been pretty good.Matt wrote:I dunno, that post of yours I quoted sounded basically like "Yo sig, great defense. I think you could be alright. But hey, gonna keep my vote where it is, k champ?" I'm hesitant to ever vote for sig early ever again really, and I was surprised to see you were one of the peeps leading the charge on him.
What's your read of Epignosis?
But yeah, he created doubt, for me. Enough doubt that I went back and read again and confirmed that I really felt that it was the right call.
PS, I had no vote yesterday to either put on sig or move somewhere else. If I did, I would have handled all of my suspicion yesterday very differently.
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Oh, wow, br00tal Night. RIP Fuzz, Tim and b24. Not much bueno that three civs died, plus each of these roles could have been useful. On the mildly bright side, it seems we'll have two Day phases, so let's not screw 'em up too much.
I'm confused why some imply Fuzz killed DF specifically. Couldn't he have been the one who killed zebra, in fact? If Fuzz killed DF, it would leave the Mafia either killing their own (which is unconceivable) or kill an opposite mafioso - which is conceivable, but this triple-kill on N2 is starting to give me serious third-party/SK vibes (see below), which would turn a two-mafia team design into overkill. So I'm slightly leaning on Fuzz having vigi'd the hell out of Zebra. (Thank you for your service, if that's true.)
You have reached the below you should see. Ok, so the amount of kills makes me think of Psycho Killer. Maybe not all three of them, but at least two. PSK's double-kill ratio could have been simplified and imported into this game. We were even-numbered on N2 (26 players).
To Mac pondering about why b24 was killed, personally his kill looks precisely like the "sweep the low poster, avoid connections" type of night kill. Timmer was fairly begign in his activity and player-sussing, as well.
Catching up on the last two pages now... w00t, me? having to catch up?! nyeh nyeh nyeh
I'm confused why some imply Fuzz killed DF specifically. Couldn't he have been the one who killed zebra, in fact? If Fuzz killed DF, it would leave the Mafia either killing their own (which is unconceivable) or kill an opposite mafioso - which is conceivable, but this triple-kill on N2 is starting to give me serious third-party/SK vibes (see below), which would turn a two-mafia team design into overkill. So I'm slightly leaning on Fuzz having vigi'd the hell out of Zebra. (Thank you for your service, if that's true.)
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You have reached the below you should see. Ok, so the amount of kills makes me think of Psycho Killer. Maybe not all three of them, but at least two. PSK's double-kill ratio could have been simplified and imported into this game. We were even-numbered on N2 (26 players).
To Mac pondering about why b24 was killed, personally his kill looks precisely like the "sweep the low poster, avoid connections" type of night kill. Timmer was fairly begign in his activity and player-sussing, as well.
Catching up on the last two pages now... w00t, me? having to catch up?! nyeh nyeh nyeh
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Re: Day 3.0 ~ 2015 Game of Champions
I think what it boils down to is this... when I think people do a good job and acquit themselves well, I'll say it.
Regardless of what sig's affiliation ended out being, I felt he did what he could do to convince me otherwise. He couldn't have done any more. I just still thought he was bad. He deserved to know that before being lynched.
Regardless of what sig's affiliation ended out being, I felt he did what he could do to convince me otherwise. He couldn't have done any more. I just still thought he was bad. He deserved to know that before being lynched.
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Oh no, I'm sorry to hear that.bea wrote:ok - so you guys - you know how I tink all the time that *this time* I might have enough time to mafia?
I was looking forward to catching up on 58 pages of thread (really - I'm on page 3.)
And then of course, because i'm never allowed to be happy, so major shit just went down in my store. I'm srrsly crying right now because I lost my two most trusted employees. One of them admited to me, "they were so convinced that they were right and they kept threatening to call the police I just said yes to save my family the hurt."
I lost two of my brothers tonight. I should be happy to play with all of you scandalous bastards again. And I am. But in 48 hours I lost Bowie and my left and right arm of my store.
I'd srrsly appriciate serveral sumarries of the thread right now. As it is, I'll now hit the host posts and go from there unless anyone can point me to something specific that I should look at.
I'm really fucking broken right now.
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As I told FZ when she replaced, you should don't do a page-for-page recap, instead disregard everything I did on N0/D1, perhaps ISO players individually during that period. I can't fully summarize what happened on D2, because I was too busy to follow - but nothing good came out of it, anyway.
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- Golden
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Re: Day 3.0 ~ 2015 Game of Champions
I'm feeling relatively good about epi at the moment, although its also accurate to say I can't really think of much he has done other than suspect LoRab. I don't know if that has been because he is off my radar and I'm not really noticing or if its because he hasn't really done much other than that.Matt wrote:And your thoughts on Epi, Golden?
A couple of times, though, I think good questions have been asked of epi and from my perspective his answers have passed muster.
A question for you, Matt. Why are you less involved and vocal in this particular game than you normally would be. I don't really know much you stand for either, although you suspect MM, right?
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Llama is yellow skittle right now. He pinged me earlier but hasn't pinged me so much in recent action. Same as Lorab. Right now I am actually kind of not seeing anybody who is pinging me very much. Every player who I was suspicious of earlier has made me feel better about it since. Your question of Golden about his read on Epignosis is the pingiest thing I've seen in a while. Why are you asking about Epi?Matt wrote:Epignosis, please give a simple civ/baddie/indy/unsure response of the following players...
Golden, FZ, 3J, and Metalmarsh.
Llama - Are you still suspicious of Mac or have you completely dropped it now that the two of you have successfully helped get sig lynched? MacD, what's your read of Llama?
Thank you for your cooperation.
Linki - I'll have to go check Dune then, Golden, I swore you didn't want to lynch him.
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Golden, as you know, I was quite involved in another game here at TS, as well as the fact that this game was bombarded with lunacy (and lots and lots of posts to go along with it) until Rico was lynched. Today was my first of three days off in a row, and I finally caught up. You will be seeing a lot more of me from here on out.
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Mac, why is it pingy that I'm asking players to tell me their reads of other players? What are your thoughts on Epig? Do you agree with him that Lorab should be lynched?
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I think it all has to do with the order in which the night kills were announced in-thread. Zebra was the first one and seemed all official-like, as if that was the main kill. Then DFaraday came up a tiny bit later like an oopsie, which seems more like a town/third-party group. Worth noting that Faraday had been called out by Fuzz for suspecting him; in fact, Fuzz's post history contains double the references to Faraday than Zebra, and doesn't look too suspicious of Zebra (a couple brief disagreements), and considering that Zebra posted a lot more than the former, I think it definitely could have been Fuzz that placed the kill on Faraday.Ricochet wrote:I'm confused why some imply Fuzz killed DF specifically. Couldn't he have been the one who killed zebra, in fact? If Fuzz killed DF, it would leave the Mafia either killing their own (which is unconceivable) or kill an opposite mafioso - which is conceivable, but this triple-kill on N2 is starting to give me serious third-party/SK vibes (see below), which would turn a two-mafia team design into overkill. So I'm slightly leaning on Fuzz having vigi'd the hell out of Zebra. (Thank you for your service, if that's true.)![]()
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You first swine. Answer my question.Matt wrote:![]()
Golden, as you know, I was quite involved in another game here at TS, as well as the fact that this game was bombarded with lunacy (and lots and lots of posts to go along with it) until Rico was lynched. Today was my first of three days off in a row, and I finally caught up. You will be seeing a lot more of me from here on out.![]()
Mac, why is it pingy that I'm asking players to tell me their reads of other players? What are your thoughts on Epig? Do you agree with him that Lorab should be lynched?
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I'm not sure. N1's proceedings reminded me a bit like Roxy and fingersplints hosting Syndicate, where the night results wouldn't necessarily come all at once. I don't see any reason for either zebra or DF to have had a "special" timing for their kill. Both their killers would have had to send their kills by the end of the phase.HamburgerBoy wrote:I think it all has to do with the order in which the night kills were announced in-thread. Zebra was the first one and seemed all official-like, as if that was the main kill. Then DFaraday came up a tiny bit later like an oopsie, which seems more like a town/third-party group. Worth noting that Faraday had been called out by Fuzz for suspecting him; in fact, Fuzz's post history contains double the references to Faraday than Zebra, and doesn't look too suspicious of Zebra (a couple brief disagreements), and considering that Zebra posted a lot more than the former, I think it definitely could have been Fuzz that placed the kill on Faraday.Ricochet wrote:I'm confused why some imply Fuzz killed DF specifically. Couldn't he have been the one who killed zebra, in fact? If Fuzz killed DF, it would leave the Mafia either killing their own (which is unconceivable) or kill an opposite mafioso - which is conceivable, but this triple-kill on N2 is starting to give me serious third-party/SK vibes (see below), which would turn a two-mafia team design into overkill. So I'm slightly leaning on Fuzz having vigi'd the hell out of Zebra. (Thank you for your service, if that's true.)![]()
The only oddity about zebra's kill (or killer) is zebra turning his posts into delirious swansong. If Fuzz killed her, it wouldn't reflect on that at all.
Anyway, I stick by my equation. If DF was killed by Fuzz, then who killed zebra. A teammate of zebra makes no sense. An opposite mafia makes, but in light of N2, how can we reconcile two mafia teams with third party killers?
Also, vigi mentality can or can't reflect in the vigi's activity. Fuzz simply locking on to DF doesn't imply he wouldn't have pointed his gun at zebra instead. Camouflage-y.