Lost Again Mafia (season 1) - Day 6

#651

Also "the last two"? There were only 3 ha ha, being doen to 2 is not a major thing. And as an ebwop, I always think Nutella is bad, so there is that.

#652

I think they are between epi / scotty/ wilgy.

#653

Although Scotty probably #1 now, Epi #2, Wilgy #3

#654

Wait how am I scaring the crap out of you?

#655

I told you, paranoia.

And your list sounds reasonable.

#656

My list sounds reasonable yet the two people I suspect the most are not on your list.

#657

S~V~S wrote:Thats part of it, but I have never heard of such a thing. Perhaps becasue on the sites many of us came from, role claiming is really seriously taboo. Giving baddies fake roles to claim is just something cray cray lol.

I need to tell y'all a little story.

When I was a kid, I was left home alone. Whole damn family left me by myself at Christmas. Who the hell does that?

So I'm there at the house, alone, and the mail comes. Me being the man of the house, I figure it's my responsibility to see what's all there, get rid of the junk mail, and hope one of my lazy ass uncle's dirty magazines came.

Only thing that showed up were coupons (good thing for those, because I didn't have much money to get toothpaste and macaroni) and a Christmas card. The Christmas card had a nice little picture of baby Jesus on the front. Inside, somebody wrote:

"Hey man, did you give the Mafia fake roles to claim? If you didn't, everyone can just claim and and know who is bad because of your open setup."

Well, I had no idea what the hell he was talking about. What the hell did he mean by "fake roles?" Disguises I guess. Most importantly, did that mean my father had ties to the Mafia? Probably. Would explain a lot. The card was just signed "MP," and to this day I don't know who that is.

When my folks finally came back, I asked my old man about it, and he said, "Don't worry about it. Everything worked out okay."

When I asked him what he meant about fake roles, he said, "We didn't need 'em. Stop asking so many questions."

That was the strangest damn Christmas I ever had, ever stranger than the one where grandma got drunk when I was five and started spouting off about some smoke monster or some damn thing.

#658

Cool story bro

#659

Typhoony wrote:My list sounds reasonable yet the two people I suspect the most are not on your list.

Well, you are more reasonable than I am, lol. y u make me spell this out????

#660

Quiet night.

#661

Gimme something to comment on Zebra

#662

I'm Claire.

#663

Show me your squirrel baby.

#664

CHAH-LEE, THEY TOOK MAH BAY-BEE

#665

Amusing. Why am I bad SVS?

#666

Who do you think are bad Wilgy?

#667

I haven't payed too much attention, but I think either Zebra or Scotty are.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #668

I've finally changed my mind on Zebra (it's been a gradual process over the last couple days tbh). I think Wilgy and Scotty are our uzzers.

#669

DrWilgy wrote: Matt, who is definitely not on your team other than Zebra?

What's with this then?

#670

Actually... It's Scotty and Nutella. Just looked at Matt's ISO.

There's a post where he calls me civ, while not mentioning Scotty. I think at that point I was still purposely parroting Scotty though, so it doesn't make sense.

His only mentioning of both Epi and Nutella was done jokingly, so one of those two. Nutella's vote last round is the one off key though.

Linki - Will someone explain why I'm suspect instead of just throwing my name?

Linki linki - A jab at Zebra, nothing more.

#671

It's Epi and Wilgy folks.

#672

Nah it's epi and scotty

#673

Typhoony wrote:Nah it's epi and scotty

And you're outta yer damn mind, Ty Fighter.

#674

But Zebra isn't?

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #675

a2thezebra wrote:It's Epi and Wilgy folks.

Or this actually.

#676

Night 3 has ended.

Spoiler: show

It is now Day 4. You have 48 hours to hang someone high.

#677

#678

Hey Epi who do you think are bad?

#679

Typhoony wrote:Hey Epi who do you think are bad?

It changes depending on who could be a decent civilian lynch candidate for the new day of course.

Epignosis

And seriously, to anyone who hasn't yet, please take a look at Wilgy's ISO. It reeks. Typical scum coasting along by repeating the same thing that he knows isn't going to happen anytime soon (me being lynched because apparently I'm bad...for some reason). That way he gets to have a town-like opinion for most of the game and stay under the radar while that opinion of his doesn't have to go through any kind of development where he will reveal his disingenuous playing under scrutiny. If this Wilgy and this Epi were playing this game with their civilian clones, then their civilian clones would have had them lynched by now.

:bass:

#680

Can you give examples of what you are saying about Wilgy?

Scotty

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #681

Well that's too bad. RIP sorsha.

Voting Wilgy

#682

Well that death was expected. RIP Sorsha

It looks like people have me on their lists.

Typhoony wrote:Although Scotty probably #1 now, Epi #2, Wilgy #3

Why?

S~V~S wrote:
Typhoony wrote:My list sounds reasonable yet the two people I suspect the most are not on your list.
Well, you are more reasonable than I am, lol. y u make me spell this out????

Your nose is brown

Listen, I think milk is bad because it smells funky and comes out in chunks. Plus there's little little number clump on the side which spells out the expiration date. I can't really respond to your suspicions because all your posts are like calling milk bad without any discernible spoiled qualities. If you think I'm spoiled, explain why, and then don't drink me, but only in that order pls.

DrWilgy wrote:Actually... It's Scotty and Nutella. Just looked at Matt's ISO.

There's a post where he calls me civ, while not mentioning Scotty. I think at that point I was still purposely parroting Scotty though, so it doesn't make sense.

His only mentioning of both Epi and Nutella was done jokingly, so one of those two. Nutella's vote last round is the one off key though.

Linki - Will someone explain why I'm suspect instead of just throwing my name?

Linki linki - A jab at Zebra, nothing more.

This suspicion makes sense I guess. So I'm sorry Matt didn't name me in his ISO I guess? I can't wholly see how that makes me bad.

nutella wrote:I've finally changed my mind on Zebra (it's been a gradual process over the last couple days tbh). I think Wilgy and Scotty are our uzzers.

That funny because i think you and zebra are our others.

im very busy at work right now this week, but will be on as much as I can. I hate apologizing, but I really am squeezed for time, and will try to devote as much as I can.

#683

At least do me the honor and build a case on me Nutella.

Challenge mode: build that case without using "I agree with X"

Zebra I do hope you are bad, only for your own sanity though

Linki - because it's odd scum behavior with you being a defining pillar of said behavior.

#684

Scotty wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Typhoony wrote:My list sounds reasonable yet the two people I suspect the most are not on your list.
Well, you are more reasonable than I am, lol. y u make me spell this out????
Your nose is brown

Absolutely not, it is known that I am not the most sensible.

#685

Also gonna vote Scotty for now for trying to make a something out of a nothing, repeatedly. And trying to imply things are something they are not.

#686

Scotty isn't bad, he's just wrong.

Here's some examples of what I'm talking about, Typhoony. I established my initial Wilgy vote here, and he responded with the implication that he wanted to co-operate with me and clear his name.

DrWilgy wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:DrWilgy
Oof, Zebra, Cutie, you hurt me. I was going to suggest we work together this game. It was fun being on your team in Star Wars, and I don't want a repeat of pet sounds

Yet after I responded with an elaboration of why I voted for him in the first place...

a2thezebra wrote:You've established yourself as one who changes his play style each game, yet your first post is identical to the kind I grew to know in Star Wars...where you were of course bad. I don't wish to hurt you and I do wish to work together (depending on who it benefits) but if you're bad, then I can't let you get away with winning using the same strategy twice in a row.

...Wilgy responded with this clearly disingenuous defense.

DrWilgy wrote:Oh... but you've only taken your first step in the pool Zebra! last game it was claim busy --> independent, and coast through. I don't think my pattern was prevalent until my drunk posting that game.

My pattern this game will be get along with someone I like --> solve the game. EZPZ bb!

So because he's using a different strategy than another game where he was bad (granted, the one I compared initially) that means he's automatically good in this game? Wilgy dodges my actual criticism here by hand-waving the accusation and follows it up a declaration of how his pattern will go this game. Get along with someone you like and solve the game, Wilgy? Well then tell me, who did you choose? Because all I see in your ISO is continued lurkerific tunneling of me while offering no insights, opinions, or analyses of other posts. I've been somewhat lazy this game myself but at least I've brainstormed through some avant-garde strategies to catch baddies, which have had variable results. My point is that Wilgy is not being genuine here, he's phoning it in the same way as he did in Star Wars where we were teammates. The "pattern" is only different because it's a different game with different dynamics, and the general approach is identical. If this was civ Wilgy he would be more blatant and come off as more unapologetic about his play style here (as he is as modern civ Wilgy in general) yet here he's only made thirty posts...not only is there nothing of value in them, but they don't even come off as genuine opinions. Here's what I find to be the worst offense:

DrWilgy wrote:Not really much more for me to say here. I don't see Matt doing what he's doing as scum, too flashy, not worth the risk... Especially when he can win by y'know doing nothing (see pet sounds).

Zebra is completely opposite of when I called her out last time... (see pet sounds) where she practically gave up upon stupid accusation. This time she challenges me in response...

Why the exception for my buddying Scotty?

Wilgy's strategy as a baddie is to appear as a lazy civ. If he were actually civ, he would be less consistent, but he would also be putting more effort to speculate and offer new ideas. The Wilgy we see here has little change of opinion since Day 1 because that's the easiest way to blend in and be questioned as little as possible. His ISO is also too large to warrant lurker accusations of a game this size, making it the perfect unnoticed baddie strategy: to be right under everyone's noses but also be playing it too safe to ever call attention to itself. I initially faked attacking Matt blindly to see who would avoid jumping on my wagon knowing he was civ...now I can only re-examine that exercise to see who may have avoided Matt's lynching only because they felt safe avoiding it, as well as to see who may have felt it was inevitable and bussed him accordingly. In any case, the disingenuous behavior is now easier to identify knowing Matt's alignment. And Wilgy's behavior here is what stands out as the shadiest to me by a long shot. He defends Matt using another game's meta and attacks me with that same game's meta because I'm not responding to his suspicion of me identically.

And to top it all off, throughout that day phase despite all the hullabaloo about my irrational yet confident suspicion of Matt, followed by my bait-and-switch to put my faith in Epi's read of Floyd (a foolish mistake on my part considering I am now fairly certain Epi knew exactly what he was doing with his disingenuous Floyd vote) Wilgy only uses Matt's name provided the context of his posts can be used to make me look worse (see examples at the bottom) including past the day phase after Matt's flip. ALSO it should be noted that Wilgy was defending Matt before voting him while implicating me in the process. In fact, I'll join nutella here. I mean why not, he's been my number one suspect since the beginning of the game without one interruption and maybe today he will finally get his due.

DrWilgy

These are the only posts where Wilgy has mentioned Matt (while attacking my alignment with each post) since the post above where he defends him (while also attacking my alignment). I can not stress this enough...WILGY'S READ ARC REGARDING MATT COULD NOT BE ANY MORE DISINGENUOUS. He goes from defending him, to voting for him while implying we're teammates, to implying he will flip civilian and therefore I will be bad, to implying again that we are teammates based on his response to an inquiry, and all of these "developments" have NO BRIDGE BETWEEN THEM TO MAKE THEM APPEAR MORE NATURAL. The ONLY thing connecting them is a suspicion of me which has yet to be supported.

DrWilgy wrote:Voted fer Matt.

Matt, who is definitely not on your team other than Zebra?

Matt, what do you think of my friend Scotty?

DrWilgy wrote:Anyone care to talk about how if Matt flips civ, Zebra is Scum?

DrWilgy wrote:Hmmm... That is what I would have a mafia temmie do... Well played Matt, well played.

And Wilgy before you claim that my read of you is a reaction to your read of me, (if you dare do this then consider the irony that the opposite is in fact the case) remember that nutella has distrusted me for most of the game and I have not objected to it. The reason for that is because I feel that she is genuine whereas you could not be less genuine.

#687

DrWilgy wrote:Zebra I do hope you are bad, only for your own sanity though

You can't hope that I'm bad because you know that I am good.

#688

Wilgy, the evil one of the forest.

The eye of madness.

The dark malevolator.

The violator of all creatures.

The hearth of tears.

The harbinger of disaster.

The small of peen.

#689

I'm not used to that much text in one post in this game. I will read through it because you clearly put a lot of effort in it though.

Scotty, I'll try and formulate why I think you're bad tomorrow.

#690

Oh right, I forgot.

#691

I'd also like to hear from Bullzeye if he still thinks Zebra is bad and what he thinks about Epi/Scotty/Wilgy

#692

S~V~S wrote:Also gonna vote Scotty for now for trying to make a something out of a nothing, repeatedly. And trying to imply things are something they are not.

You know, the things I'm "repeatedly" bringing up are potential angles you could have if you were bad. The two things that I have brought up against you are 1) your WIFOM claim that you would never target Typhoony N1 because of your solemn promise or whatever and 2) your lack of original suspicions on anyone not named Matt. All accounts and reasons seem to be revolving around the category of "the way I've always played and ways I always act." It's very meta reasoning. Ceding to typhoony's judgment because you yourself are not sensible. Come now, I think you're plenty sensible, and this could most definitely be misconstrued as wallflowering.

S~V~S wrote:Wilgy & Nutella seemed most faux with their recent sentiments, and you are scaring the crap out of me. I can't forget that vote you & Sorsha dropped on me, but that is just paranoia speaking.

Besides putting your trust in Typh, this is your most original read on others, but if you were to make a cake with the filling of that suspicion, the cake would be more like a pancake.

The main reason I'm not hounding (and I'm not, even though you seem to think i'm "repeatedly" doing so) you for your lynch is because, as far as any of us know, Typh was protected by Sorsha N1, which makes your WIFOM about not killing him N1 look objectively more sound.
What scares me is that other option that you and Typh are both mafia and are bamboozling everyone, but I choose not to believe that, because that would be far too elaborate and unlikely. The only thing not clearing Typh as being civ is that there is still a PR that could have done something to prevent a lynch (blocker or a lynch pardoner?) and Typh was in fact not the target N1.

But moving on for now, so that I don't continue to "repeatedly" bring up things that you don't agree with.

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DrWilgy wrote: Linki - because it's odd scum behavior with you being a defining pillar of said behavior.

I'm sorry, what? I am a defining pillar of odd scum behavior? What does that even mean? I've been mafia once. I'm not sure how you can draw anything from that. I don't even know what my scum behavior is, or even if the sample size is big enough. But ok.

Typhoony wrote: Scotty, I'll try and formulate why I think you're bad tomorrow.

Ok. I mean you named me as your top suspect at top of the night yesterday with no reason, but yeah, take your time.

#693

I would also like to hear from Bullz, who, like SVS, has really only locked onto Matt this game. Who do you suspect, Bullz?

#694

a2thezebra wrote:Wilgy, the evil one of the forest.

The eye of madness.

The dark malevolator.

The violator of all creatures.

The hearth of tears.

The harbinger of disaster.

The small of peen.

#695

While zebra does bring up an interesting take on Wilgy, I must pull this quote:

a2thezebra wrote: These are the only posts where Wilgy has mentioned Matt (while attacking my alignment with each post) since the post above where he defends him (while also attacking my alignment). I can not stress this enough...WILGY'S READ ARC REGARDING MATT COULD NOT BE ANY MORE DISINGENUOUS. He goes from defending him, to voting for him while implying we're teammates, to implying he will flip civilian and therefore I will be bad, to implying again that we are teammates based on his response to an inquiry, and all of these "developments" have NO BRIDGE BETWEEN THEM TO MAKE THEM APPEAR MORE NATURAL. The ONLY thing connecting them is a suspicion of me which has yet to be supported.

I've brought this up before, but now you're accusing Wilgy of doing something very similar.

a2thezebra wrote:Matt on the other hand is 100% civ Matt.

Followed directly by:

a2thezebra wrote:Prepare to die Matt.

This led to Matt's eventual capitulation and lynching, but you couldn't have done more of a 180 if you were an semicircle.

a2thezebra wrote:Scotty what's the point of the coughing after what I've said? You're damn right I'll have a lot to answer to if Matt flips good.

Guess why I'm not worried about it. Go on, guess.

There never was an explanation to this. Your certainty of there not being a civ-civ train on D1 was spot on. Why is that? Maybe I'm just too boorish to understand between the lines.

I appreciate you saying I'm not bad, but that doesn't ingratiate you with me. And note that I'm not defending Wilgy more than I'm thinking it a bit hypocritical that you are latching onto Wilgy for doing, (what I currently deem) as a disingenuous accusatory arc. You have at least been consistently accusing Wilgy since D1, so there's that.

Also as a side note, I said before that my main suspects are zebra and nutella, but I'm not buying that both would be avoiding Matt on that last lynch. That would be...too revealing, wouldn't it? Hmm.

@Epi you too, slick. What is going on under that dirty mop on that head of yours?

#696

Ok, that's all the time I have. Gotta get ready to do a show. I'd ideally like to vote nutella, actually, this phase, but am keenly aware that I have votes today and might need to save myself.

I think at least 1 of the remaining mafia bussed matt last phase, and I think our answer will be in there. Could be Wilgy, could be Bullz, could be Epi. I'm kind of at odds right now between them, but will be looking at each voter when I have a sec tomorrow morning. I hope.

#697

Bah, voting nutella right now.

#698

There isn't anything between the lines Scotty, that's what you don't understand.

#699

Neither myself nor nutella is a baddie, lol. If the only thing you've got going against me Scotty is the hypocrisy you falsely claim I hold, then where is your suspicion of Wilgy to go with it? Even if I was being hypocritical in that instance, you claim you're not defending Wilgy against a case you admit to liking yet you don't figure him for either of the last two baddies. Instead, me and nutella.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #700

And what exactly are your reasons for voting me? Sure I haven't looked perfect this game, but I'm a civ. I guess my behavior's been suspicious enough to make me an easy target for the baddies to deflect onto.

Who wasn't on the plane?