Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Marmot]

But like I said, my response was only meta-based because your suspicion was meta-based. Why is me pointing out being a baddie in that game to explain why I find your logic in suspecting me for differing from that game flawed suspicious to you?

linki - Metalmarsh, for one. I think some others did too, perhaps MacDougall.

I have clarified no such thing.

[Equivocate]

Sorry! It's been a hectic past couple of days. Please forgive me. Here's what I think so far.

I'm null on Glorfindel right now, but have been pinged by him.

Have you now, my friend? Whilst I may not be familiar with the playstyles of a lot of people in this game, I am with yours. By you own admission (on multiple occasions) you have stated that you prefer to play Mafia and feel that you perform far better in such roles. From my experience, that is undeniably true. Looking to a recent example (Pikmin Mafia) where you were a Townie your performance was awful leading you to an early lynching that game. I'm not getting those vibes from you this game - I feel a pervading sense of self-assurance about your posts that concerns me a little. I'm not quite sure what to make of you persistent push to discuss the map... I'd be curious about other's opinions on Sig's posts so far.

I don't know the exact number of people who have so far stated their opinions of Sig, but I'm inclined to believe he's town. He's currently one of the top posters in the thread, so there's certainly no shortage of things to analyze. Of course, this fact alone doesn't represent a convincing argument for his innocence, considering I know that mafia Sig doesn't wallflower. But I've reviewed a lot of his posts and I'm not seeing anything damning, at least not at the moment.

[sig]

@SVS this post.

Predictably bizarre.

Zebra the question is did they taste any good?

[a2thezebra]

I voted City Hall for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I've no idea at all what the hell I'm doing in this game and being the 'outsider' I always seem to be, it seems appropriate for me to select such a location. At 13 pages, this game has gotten so far away from me now... I just can't...

Again Glorfidnel was I believe the only person to go to City Hall yet he doesn't want to share what he found out. This seems scummy to me and I know other people disagree however, my opinion on that won't change. Nothing much else here, I think him using the term outsider is strange, though I'm assuming he means from a lore point of view.

Please explain why that is scummy to you. Especially since you're so dead-set on it being scummy that you outright state that your opinion won't change.

linki @ sig - Absolutely. I'll take them over french fries any day.

[S~V~S]

@SVS this post.

Predictably bizarre.

Zebra the question is did they taste any good?

DH has been posting in the persona of Bizarro. He made a post about discussing his location info, and no one responded to it. So I said he must not like being ignored. And HE said he DOES like being ignore. So I said "predictably bizarre".

Which was funny cause he was role playing Bizarro, dig?

[a2thezebra]

But I've reviewed a lot of his posts and I'm not seeing anything damning, at least not at the moment.

You don't think him calling for open discussion about the map when the host himself discouraged any discussion about it isn't at least a little bit damning? You don't think him suspecting people for not wanting to discuss what information they have found isn't damning?

[DharmaHelper]

Linki - At least someone figured out who Bizarro is :P

[Marmot]

I fail to see your point, MM.

It's an observation. Just because you are not playing similarly in this game to another game doesn't mean you are bad. Just adjusting and/or adapting.

I'm trying to justify this change. I went through a phase where I died early a lot. I had to try to find a better way of playing so that I wasn't always lynched Day 1 or 2 or 3. I don't think I ever adapted properly, but I do think that folks have adapted to playing with me.

Linki: Share pleaze

[Marmot]

But like I said, my response was only meta-based because your suspicion was meta-based. Why is me pointing out being a baddie in that game to explain why I find your logic in suspecting me for differing from that game flawed suspicious to you?

linki - Metalmarsh, for one. I think some others did too, perhaps MacDougall.

They said something this game?

No, in Star Wars. They pointed out (MM before my flip, and MacDougall after my flip) that you were suspecting me for invalid reasons, even though you were right about my alignment.

Never mind, I thought you were talking about this game.

[DharmaHelper]

Enrique brought up a good point. The mafia right now are two groups of two, so like, does anyone think they'd have the balls to actively participate in early talks? I don't. This bodes well for the current crop of dicussions, and reinforces my thought that nothing suspicious has really happened yet.

[DharmaHelper]

Was it Enrique that said that?

[Enrique]

No I said that being two will make them glad we're openly discussing our results. They don't know shit otherwise. We're feeding them the info, and for what? Does anyone actually know what they're doing?

[Enrique]

Zeeb you're cool in my book btw. I blame sig.

[sprityo]

A good detective shouldn't ignore even the smallest of clues

Thanks for answering my question posed to you with a riddle or something.

So if you received the same message, what do you make of it, o Sherlock Holmes?

It was more of a smart-ass answer.

Well I feel we as players will interact with these cards somehow? Albeit Harley Quinn isn't a role to for us to use

[DharmaHelper]

No I said that being two will make them glad we're openly discussing our results. They don't know shit otherwise. We're feeding them the info, and for what? Does anyone actually know what they're doing?

You pointed out that they are comprised of two people each, The whole "they're not participating in early talks" bit was my conclusion based on that. Hope that makes sense.

[sig]

I voted City Hall for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I've no idea at all what the hell I'm doing in this game and being the 'outsider' I always seem to be, it seems appropriate for me to select such a location. At 13 pages, this game has gotten so far away from me now... I just can't...

Again Glorfidnel was I believe the only person to go to City Hall yet he doesn't want to share what he found out. This seems scummy to me and I know other people disagree however, my opinion on that won't change. Nothing much else here, I think him using the term outsider is strange, though I'm assuming he means from a lore point of view.

Please explain why that is scummy to you. Especially since you're so dead-set on it being scummy that you outright state that your opinion won't change.

linki @ sig - Absolutely. I'll take them over french fries any day.

I just find it to be scummy/Inmatish to hide information especially if it might help us to catch people.

Enrique brought up a good point. The mafia right now are two groups of two, so like, does anyone think they'd have the balls to actively participate in early talks? I don't. This bodes well for the current crop of dicussions, and reinforces my thought that nothing suspicious has really happened yet.

I didn't think of this, which actually sounds like a good thought, then again if a high poster gets mafia would they change their play style that much and be able to remain unnoticed?

[sprityo]

I liked spirityo's earlier posts as well.

Sprityo*

I will do this every time, sig.

Also I'm still on page 21 so I'm catching up rn

[a2thezebra]

LOL DH, how did you get that image to show up in the thread? I tried using the IMG code but it didn't work, so I had to link it instead.

But like I said, my response was only meta-based because your suspicion was meta-based. Why is me pointing out being a baddie in that game to explain why I find your logic in suspecting me for differing from that game flawed suspicious to you?

linki - Metalmarsh, for one. I think some others did too, perhaps MacDougall.

They said something this game?

No, in Star Wars. They pointed out (MM before my flip, and MacDougall after my flip) that you were suspecting me for invalid reasons, even though you were right about my alignment.

Never mind, I thought you were talking about this game.

Ah, I see. No, you remember in Star Wars when you mentioned to Bass that his suspicion of me was invalid regardless of my alignment, right?

Enrique brought up a good point. The mafia right now are two groups of two, so like, does anyone think they'd have the balls to actively participate in early talks? I don't. This bodes well for the current crop of dicussions, and reinforces my thought that nothing suspicious has really happened yet.

A bit hasty to conclude that nothing suspicious has happened yet. Do you really believe that?

Zeeb you're cool in my book btw. I blame sig.

Neat-o, but do you still think what I did could potentially be harmful to the town as a whole rather than just me?

linki @ sig - So the host discouraging discussion of that by flat-out saying that "talking about the map is allowed, but not in your best interest" does nothing for you? And you think anyone that's going to take that advice is suspicious for taking it? I'm not convinced.

[Enrique]

I don't know, Zebra. We'll have to see what comes of it. I'd just rather keep it all under wraps for now.

[DharmaHelper]

@Zeebs For the image tag to work you need a URL that has the .jpg, ,png, etc at the end, I just saved the image, changed it in paint, and reuploaded it via tinypic.

Also a majority of the conflicts from Day 0 seem to have ended in stalemates, and I don't really think any of them were solidly suspicious, no.

[sig]

"not in your best interest" Whose interest though? It isn't in all players best interest but I'd think it could be in the civs/pro civ independents best interest. This doesn't seem to be the general conscience of other players though.

[DharmaHelper]

All I am going to say about my location is that Epignosis has an ear for Voice Acting talent.

[Enrique]

DH the active players are the ones I would expect to be active. Who do you think is staying under the radar so far? Do you think everyone talking is a civvie? Do you think the inmates are staying under the radar as well? Could they have done something suspicious? Are they bad?!?!?

linki: I don't buy that intepretation. The thread is supposed to be civ territory, I take it for granted that that's who the hosts are addressing.

[sprityo]

Hmmm you're shifty.

When is Scotty not shifty? Lmao

[Enrique]

MP's a bit under the radar. There was that whole thing with Zebra but tbh I didn't really understand it unless it was just a continuation of Zebra/Matt. Otherwise idk what he's up to.

[a2thezebra]

I don't know, Zebra. We'll have to see what comes of it. I'd just rather keep it all under wraps for now.

I totally understand that.

@Zeebs For the image tag to work you need a URL that has the .jpg, ,png, etc at the end, I just saved the image, changed it in paint, and reuploaded it via tinypic.

Also a majority of the conflicts from Day 0 seem to have ended in stalemates, and I don't really think any of them were solidly suspicious, no.

But mine ended in .jpg and it still wouldn't show up. It might have been the website I used to upload it.

I'm surprised that not one of the conflicts you think has provided anything suspicious, but okay, I believe you.

linki @ sig - What makes you think it would be in the civs' best interest? Why do you find it suspicious if someone else thinks that it would be more likely to be in the baddies' bad interest and the civs' absolute worst interest? Isn't their interpretation of the question "whose interest though" just as reasonable as yours, if not more?

linki @ DH - AGREED! I couldn't believe it was him lol.

linki @ Enrique - I think it should be taken for granted that taht's who the hosts are addressing, if not both the civs and the mafia/indys. I don't understand how one could possibly interpret "not in your best interest" to refer to anti-town players but not town players. That makes zero sense to me and I find it extremely suspicious that someone would suggest otherwise, let alone suspect others for not sharing the opinion.

[a2thezebra]

MP's a bit under the radar. There was that whole thing with Zebra but tbh I didn't really understand it unless it was just a continuation of Zebra/Matt. Otherwise idk what he's up to.

I think a lot of what MP said to me during our back-and-forth was referring to my general play rather than this game in particular. How I often say things with unwarranted conviction and that causes people to suspect me for invalid reasons, stuff like that.

[Enrique]

that'd be kinda funny wouldn't it

I'm gonna go into tomorrow's poll assuming the hosts want us to choose our favorite civvie.

[sprityo]

Enrique brought up a good point. The mafia right now are two groups of two, so like, does anyone think they'd have the balls to actively participate in early talks? I don't. This bodes well for the current crop of dicussions, and reinforces my thought that nothing suspicious has really happened yet.

Just wanted to quote and reinforce this concept for everyone. I think said something akin to this earlier as well

MP's a bit under the radar. There was that whole thing with Zebra but tbh I didn't really understand it unless it was just a continuation of Zebra/Matt. Otherwise idk what he's up to.

I think MP said he was gonna be busy for a little bit?

Is Matt typically a low post person? I feel like with the way he engaged with zebra that he might have had more to say, or at least something else to contribute. Maybe he just didn't want the spotlight?

[sprityo]

Ebwop: on that first comment it should read "I think I said"

[Enrique]

are you reinforcing that point to cement your place in the thread and ignore anything youve said sprityo

In my experience, Matt just does whatever the hell he wants.

[S~V~S]

But mine ended in .jpg and it still wouldn't show up. It might have been the website I used to upload it.

I just looked at it, you used "url" tags,not "img" tags.

[Enrique]

make us* ignore sorry sometimes i forget to type words when im rambling

[DharmaHelper]

DH the active players are the ones I would expect to be active. Who do you think is staying under the radar so far? Do you think everyone talking is a civvie? Do you think the inmates are staying under the radar as well? Could they have done something suspicious? Are they bad?!?!?

linki: I don't buy that intepretation. The thread is supposed to be civ territory, I take it for granted that that's who the hosts are addressing.

I have no pings from anyone I've interacted with to date. I find my playstyle to be not unlike a fine wine though, and I'm sure I'll get better reads as things progress.

I wouldn't call *everyone* who is currently discussing things civ, but I feel like the current discussion is coming from places of sincerity. I think that the players who are "under the radar" will become more clear tomorrow or N1. I suppose it would depend on the independent and their preferred style of independent play.

I think that the reason (at least I) am seeing more sincere discussion is directly tied to the smaller mafia teams. IMO, more standard sized mafia teams are able to get into discussions easier because they have a handful of players that they can rely on to either support them or at the very least not suspect them if they fuck up, and by virtue of their numbers they can have a more significant impact on the flow of thread discussion, particularly in early game. This is much more difficult to achieve in pairs.

[Bullzeye]

Is Matt typically a low post person? I feel like with the way he engaged with zebra that he might have had more to say, or at least something else to contribute. Maybe he just didn't want the spotlight?

There isn't a spotlight on Earth that Matt wouldn't want pointed at him.

[DharmaHelper]

Also yes before you ask Enrique I am of the opinion that, should we lynch an independent, it would be just as beneficial as having lynched a mafia because they are both enemy factions. I wouldn't prioritize "hunting" for either, however, given that (once again due to the size of the mafia in this set up) the in-thread tells are likely to be the same sort of things.

[a2thezebra]

But mine ended in .jpg and it still wouldn't show up. It might have been the website I used to upload it.

I just looked at it, you used "url" tags,not "img" tags.

I know but that was after I tried to use img tags and the image wouldn't show up in the preview, so I switched to url tags to link it instead. Thank you though.

[DharmaHelper]

The url also doesn't end in a .jpg or .png or .gif :P

[Enrique]

I like your answers DH. I don't agree that "nothing suspicious" has happened, but you got a case.

What do you make of sig giving the hosts' words his own meaning?

[Typhoony]

I think that the reason (at least I) am seeing more sincere discussion is directly tied to the smaller mafia teams. IMO, more standard sized mafia teams are able to get into discussions easier because they have a handful of players that they can rely on to either support them or at the very least not suspect them if they fuck up, and by virtue of their numbers they can have a more significant impact on the flow of thread discussion, particularly in early game. This is much more difficult to achieve in pairs.

Do you actually think that this is a conscious decision from the baddie teams?
Like, them going "Let's not get involved in the thread, we don't have the numbers to influence discussion that much"?

That is not how it works from my experience of being on baddie teams, especially in the beginning of a game.

[sprityo]

are you reinforcing that point to cement your place in the thread and ignore anything youve said sprityo

No? I'm just saying, with all the talk of low poster lynching, that we need to keep in mind that purposefully sitting back is an actual strategy.

Likewise, minimal discussion and say having complete engagement of say, a couple members of Mafia, helps distance themselves from teammates so that they can remain under the radar.


So when DH says that no one looks increasingly suspicious, and that they don't have the calls to participate, that I agree. And we should look out for that.

I'm bad at words, so hopefully that didn't sound repetitive.

POINT BEING: I agree with the statement

[DharmaHelper]

I think that the reason (at least I) am seeing more sincere discussion is directly tied to the smaller mafia teams. IMO, more standard sized mafia teams are able to get into discussions easier because they have a handful of players that they can rely on to either support them or at the very least not suspect them if they fuck up, and by virtue of their numbers they can have a more significant impact on the flow of thread discussion, particularly in early game. This is much more difficult to achieve in pairs.

Do you actually think that this is a conscious decision from the baddie teams?
Like, them going "Let's not get involved in the thread, we don't have the numbers to influence discussion that much"?

That is not how it works from my experience of being on baddie teams, especially in the beginning of a game.

I don't think it has to be a conscious decision for it to be a decision.

[Enrique]

GTH sprit, who would you vote for if the deadline was in 5 minutes?

[DharmaHelper]

I like your answers DH. I don't agree that "nothing suspicious" has happened, but you got a case.

What do you make of sig giving the hosts' words his own meaning?

Mafia is at its core a game about an informed minority versus an uninformed majority. Information is the lifeblood of any game of mafia, and by virtue of being a team, most times the mafia start the game and consistently have more information than the town does. I think that talking about map information is a Catch 22.

Lets assume Adam and Bob are on a mafia team. Adam and Bob go to two different locations, so they have two sources of information.

Lets assume Charlie, Delilah and Edgar are civvies. They each only have one source of information. if any of them talk about the information they have, (let's say Delilah), now the spread of information looks like this:

Adam: 3
Bob: 3
Charlie: 2
Delilah: 1
Edgar: 2

Sure, the civs have more information, but the mafia still have the MOST information.

I think when Epi said it would be disadvantageous to discuss map information in the thread, he meant it.

[Enrique]

Could you read the warning and interpret it as something directed at the mob?

btw sprit time's up, zebra just got lynched because of you. what a dweeb

[DharmaHelper]

Could you read the warning and interpret it as something directed at the mob?

btw sprit time's up, zebra just got lynched because of you. what a dweeb

I interpret it as something directed to everyone.

[DharmaHelper]

Would it be wild to assume that either the map locations are going to change/get new map locations, or that the content of each location is going to change?

[Typhoony]

I've thought about that, and realized I wasn't going to go insane thinking about it. Better to just wait and see what will happen :P

[Golden]

I haven't really been keeping up today - will catch up later.

But just adding my two cents. I am basically the biggest advocate for civilians being open with information ever. I tend to believe that it is better to do it even when it risks advantaging others, because I think that creating a situation that benefits and brings together civilians often outweighs benefits to other factions.

But epi's rules don't say 'be careful about it'. They say unequivocally 'it is not in your best interest'.

[sig]

Okay after thinking about it more I guess not discussing locations isn't necessarily suspicious mafia behavior. Having said this I don't like that Zebra is saying me discussing locations is anti-town I think she is saying this for nefarious purposes.