Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

#2151

Typhoony wrote:Then how would he possibly have info on Scotty th?

Good point, idk. I don't even think he was Robin tbh, I just think "He wasn't around to send a PM" doesn't necessarily hold up.

#2152

Matt wrote:Knock knock.

Who's there?

Enrique

Enrique who?

Enrique, do you think Nero is bad, and if so, do you think he is my partner or do you think he is the Joker, and if you think he is my partner, how does that make sense with your theory that I was insane by Joker and then NAME MY OWN TEAMMATE AS SOMEONE WE SHOULD LYNCH???

Linki -

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Matt

Matt who?

Matt, who may have said too much in reassuring Zebra she was fine, if so, I'd be down with being mod-killed.

#2153

This is why the MoD function exists

#2154

Enrique wrote:
Matt wrote:Knock knock.

Who's there?

Enrique

Enrique who?

Enrique, do you think Nero is bad, and if so, do you think he is my partner or do you think he is the Joker, and if you think he is my partner, how does that make sense with your theory that I was insane by Joker and then NAME MY OWN TEAMMATE AS SOMEONE WE SHOULD LYNCH???

*sigh*

This is what happened.

I asked you who's the Joker.

You said Nero.

I asked Nero if he's the joker.

You flipped out I MEAN THE RIDDLER DIPSHIT.

I said oh well you're bad anyway.

Nero pulled a ridiculous factually wrong defense of you.

I said Nero that's sus as shit. If Matt is Mafia I'm looking at you.

You said WHY DON'T YOU THINK HE'S THE JOKER I JUST NAMED HIM.

I said, you just said he's the Riddler.

You said THEN WHY DO YOU THINK HE'S THE JOKER.

???

Matt you've all but claimed a role at this point, and if that claim is true then you're being genuinely terrible this game because not one thing you've said makes an ooze of sense. I may not vote for you if Zebra doesn't show up today, so cross your fingers and quit the bullshit.

Jesus Matt I don't know why I bother.

#2155

Turnip Head wrote:This is why the MoD function exists

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Matt

Matt who?

Matt knows

#2156

and you even REPLIED TO MY ANSWER

Is this how Zebra felt because I don't feel you're making any effort to have a conversation at all.

#2157

Glad I took your "bait". Please instead of cursing explain yourself since this post made no sense. I was pretending to suspect people who disagreed with the host? This makes no sense? This is such a weak reason, and the fact with five plus days of play and 2145 posts this is the only thing suspicious enough for you to vote and inf act this is sooo suspicious your going to vote this early in the phase is sad. Your either being lazy, or your trying to find a weak reason to vote for someone. You are tunneling way to hard right know.

What do you think of MP voting for me based around me mentioning Wilgy? What do you think of every other discussion going on right know?
I'll say this again the fact you voted so early doesn't only prove your tunneling it is also irresponsibly when votes aren't changeable.

#2158

sig stop downplaying what you did that shit was super shady. the host said don't do this, you insisted we do, THAT'S EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS

#2159

Matt wrote:
Matt wrote:Knock knock.

Who's there?

Enrique

Enrique who?

Enrique, do you think Nero is bad, and if so, do you think he is my partner or do you think he is the Joker, and if you think he is my partner, how does that make sense with your theory that I was insane by Joker and then NAME MY OWN TEAMMATE AS SOMEONE WE SHOULD LYNCH???

Linki -

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Matt

Matt who?

Matt, who may have said too much in reassuring Zebra she was fine, if so, I'd be down with being mod-killed.

Not your fault at all, I shouldn't have talked to you directly. That was really foolish of me. If I'm right, then me being replaced (or mod-killed) should be all the action that needs to be taken here.

#2160

I agree with Zebra's reasons for voting for you. I don't agree with MP's.

fwiw

#2161

MovingPictures07 wrote:Someone explain to me how speculating on Wilgy being Robin is a bad thing, because if no one had said anything, and we lynched Scotty today and he flipped civilian, then what are we doing? We're handing the game away, that's what we're doing.

Exactly. Criticism of MP for this is very unwarranted.

#2162

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Someone explain to me how speculating on Wilgy being Robin is a bad thing, because if no one had said anything, and we lynched Scotty today and he flipped civilian, then what are we doing? We're handing the game away, that's what we're doing.
Exactly. Criticism of MP for this is very unwarranted.

There's no relation between Wilgy (possibly) being Robin and Scotty being civilian.

#2163

a2thezebra wrote:
Matt wrote:
Matt wrote:Knock knock.

Who's there?

Enrique

Enrique who?

Enrique, do you think Nero is bad, and if so, do you think he is my partner or do you think he is the Joker, and if you think he is my partner, how does that make sense with your theory that I was insane by Joker and then NAME MY OWN TEAMMATE AS SOMEONE WE SHOULD LYNCH???

Linki -

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Matt

Matt who?

Matt, who may have said too much in reassuring Zebra she was fine, if so, I'd be down with being mod-killed.
Not your fault at all, I shouldn't have talked to you directly. That was really foolish of me. If I'm right, then me being replaced (or mod-killed) should be all the action that needs to be taken here.

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Matt.

Matt who?

Matt, who actually takes full responsibility for his actions, and does not blame Zebra at all. Tbh, it'd probably be fair if we're both mod killed at this point lulz.

#2164

Enrique wrote:MP do we even need this conversation at all when no one cares for Scotty anymore? I think sig has a point.

I don't. Scotty got the most votes yesterday. How on earth do you know that no-one cares for Scotty anymore. You've had enough experience with drive by lynches, I would expect? After today's discussion, who is to say people wouldn't come back and vote Scotty?

To point out again, he got the most votes of EVERYONE LIVING yesterday. And we have clear evidence that he is civilian. Why on any planet would you advocate NOT using that information to point it out and make sure Scotty isn't the lynch target today? I don't understand.

#2165

Matt wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Matt wrote:
Matt wrote:Knock knock.

Who's there?

Enrique

Enrique who?

Enrique, do you think Nero is bad, and if so, do you think he is my partner or do you think he is the Joker, and if you think he is my partner, how does that make sense with your theory that I was insane by Joker and then NAME MY OWN TEAMMATE AS SOMEONE WE SHOULD LYNCH???

Linki -

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Matt

Matt who?

Matt, who may have said too much in reassuring Zebra she was fine, if so, I'd be down with being mod-killed.
Not your fault at all, I shouldn't have talked to you directly. That was really foolish of me. If I'm right, then me being replaced (or mod-killed) should be all the action that needs to be taken here.
Knock knock.

Who's there?

Matt.

Matt who?

Matt, who actually takes full responsibility for his actions, and does not blame Zebra at all. Tbh, it'd probably be fair if we're both mod killed at this point lulz.

I disagree. I take full responsibility and I see no reason why you should be blamed. I'd rather stay in the game if neither Epi nor llama agree, but it is entirely my fault that this is even a thing we're talking about at all.

#2166

What is this clear evidence you are talking about Golden?

#2167

Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:MP do we even need this conversation at all when no one cares for Scotty anymore? I think sig has a point.
I don't. Scotty got the most votes yesterday. How on earth do you know that no-one cares for Scotty anymore. You've had enough experience with drive by lynches, I would expect? After today's discussion, who is to say people wouldn't come back and vote Scotty?

To point out again, he got the most votes of EVERYONE LIVING yesterday. And we have clear evidence that he is civilian. Why on any planet would you advocate NOT using that information to point it out and make sure Scotty isn't the lynch target today? I don't understand.

No we fucking don't? That's the whole thing with MP. He was basing everything on assumptions.

Can you really not think of a scenario where Scotty isn't a civvie? That's clear evidence to you?

#2168

Enrique wrote:
Matt wrote:Knock knock.

Who's there?

Enrique

Enrique who?

Enrique, do you think Nero is bad, and if so, do you think he is my partner or do you think he is the Joker, and if you think he is my partner, how does that make sense with your theory that I was insane by Joker and then NAME MY OWN TEAMMATE AS SOMEONE WE SHOULD LYNCH???

*sigh*

This is what happened.

I asked you who's the Joker.

You said Nero.

I asked Nero if he's the joker.

You flipped out I MEAN THE RIDDLER DIPSHIT.

I said oh well you're bad anyway.

Nero pulled a ridiculous factually wrong defense of you.

I said Nero that's sus as shit. If Matt is Mafia I'm looking at you.

You said WHY DON'T YOU THINK HE'S THE JOKER I JUST NAMED HIM.

I said, you just said he's the Riddler.

You said THEN WHY DO YOU THINK HE'S THE JOKER.

???

Matt you've all but claimed a role at this point, and if that claim is true then you're being genuinely terrible this game because not one thing you've said makes an ooze of sense. I may not vote for you if Zebra doesn't show up today, so cross your fingers and quit the bullshit.

Yeah, Enrique's description of what went down is basically how I read the whole exchange too.

#2169

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Matt

Matt who?

Matt is going to stop posting till I know what the verdict re: Zebra and me, is. Just fyi.

#2170

Matt stops playing whenever he feels cornered. This isn't new.

#2171

Typhoony wrote:Why the fuck do people still think Wilgy was Robin when he was not around to send in the lynch stop? Please explain, thanks.

Also, I don't have a lot of time until Night 2 to follow the game so don't expect a lot from me

Did he know he was taking votes? He might have made a conditional deal with Epi?

Or, he might have just put it in because learning stuff on day one is good and why not stop a lynch early?

#2172

Knock knock.

Same here.

#2173

sig wrote:Zebra you tunnel on me like crazy and you are usually wrong, but you usually have a better argument then I don't even think you have one? Neither does MP really.

@Golden what do you think of MP?

Looking better today.

I don't think he is right about you, though. I've had nothing but good vibes from you.

#2174

Golden wrote:
Typhoony wrote:Why the fuck do people still think Wilgy was Robin when he was not around to send in the lynch stop? Please explain, thanks.

Also, I don't have a lot of time until Night 2 to follow the game so don't expect a lot from me
Did he know he was taking votes? He might have made a conditional deal with Epi?

Or, he might have just put it in because learning stuff on day one is good and why not stop a lynch early?

Why not throw away his power... come on, Golden. You're just making excuses at this point.

#2175

Typhoony wrote:Then how would he possibly have info on Scotty th?

By epi saying that it gets used either way in case of a tie (ie wilgy wouldn't know whether he was being lynched in a tie, so he would use it in case).

#2176

Enrique wrote:Matt stops playing whenever he feels cornered. This isn't new.

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Enrique

Enrique who?

Enrique, I'm wondering why you're being antagonistic since I'm trying to genuinely stop in case I do get mod killed, I mean wtf??

#2177

Turnip Head wrote:This is why the MoD function exists

This.

#2178

Golden, all you are doing by claiming the Scotty is civ theory is convincing evidence is painting a huge target on his back for nightkills. If you truly believe him to be civ, why do this?

#2179

If Matt gets modkilled I'm not gonna waste my vote on him. Otherwise, I highly encourage that we lynch him today. There's no way he's good.

linki: because you've been bullshitting since way before zebra showed up. don't play victim here.

#2180

Enrique wrote:
Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Someone explain to me how speculating on Wilgy being Robin is a bad thing, because if no one had said anything, and we lynched Scotty today and he flipped civilian, then what are we doing? We're handing the game away, that's what we're doing.
Exactly. Criticism of MP for this is very unwarranted.
There's no relation between Wilgy (possibly) being Robin and Scotty being civilian.

Incorrect, and if you think so why are you criticising MP for 'saying something anyone can work out'? Because this post suggests you can't work it out?

#2181

None of your convincing evidence actually makes sense.

#2182

Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Someone explain to me how speculating on Wilgy being Robin is a bad thing, because if no one had said anything, and we lynched Scotty today and he flipped civilian, then what are we doing? We're handing the game away, that's what we're doing.
Exactly. Criticism of MP for this is very unwarranted.
There's no relation between Wilgy (possibly) being Robin and Scotty being civilian.
Incorrect, and if you think so why are you criticising MP for 'saying something anyone can work out'? Because this post suggests you can't work it out?

Regardless of what I believe I think all the attention MP brought to the situation was very, very unnecessary.

#2183

Typhoony wrote:What is this clear evidence you are talking about Golden?

Wilgy basically jumping out of his skin to call Scotty confirmed civ.

Blue in a rainbow list is a very strong indicator.

#2184

Or he could've figured... "hey, I'm not Robin, but there was no lynch anyway. It had to be Scotty."

#2185

Golden wrote:
Typhoony wrote:What is this clear evidence you are talking about Golden?
Wilgy basically jumping out of his skin to call Scotty confirmed civ.

Blue in a rainbow list is a very strong indicator.

There are any number of explanations for why he would do that IMO.

#2186

Lets say you are right that there are 'any number of explanations'...

Then why the criticism of MP for sharing info that 'anyone could work out'?

#2187

I've only been tangentially following the Enrique/Matt thing so what I say now may not be 100% current, but if Matt did find himself in a modkillable/replaceable situation, I hope it is resolved sometime before EoD so the question of "Do we vote Matt or not" isn't choking the thread to death.

#2188

Enrique wrote:
Golden wrote:
Typhoony wrote:Why the fuck do people still think Wilgy was Robin when he was not around to send in the lynch stop? Please explain, thanks.

Also, I don't have a lot of time until Night 2 to follow the game so don't expect a lot from me
Did he know he was taking votes? He might have made a conditional deal with Epi?

Or, he might have just put it in because learning stuff on day one is good and why not stop a lynch early?
Why not throw away his power... come on, Golden. You're just making excuses at this point.

Excuses for what?

Honestly, I will be utterly stunned if Wilgy is not Robin and Scotty is not someone he had info on. Completely stunned. But even if not...

All MP was doing, clearly, was speculating based on info we had.... and THAT is what you were critical of. You can complain about me feeling certain. But that's not why you criticised MP, for being certain. You criticised him for theorising at all.

#2189

Can you answer the question I asked Golden?

#2190

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Matt

Matt who?

Matt, who was going to stop playing while this is getting worked out, but eff it, since Enrique keeps talkin' smack, just wanted to emphasize that nobody should allow Enrique to stop sussing Nero, no matter what happens.

#2191

Golden wrote:Lets say you are right that there are 'any number of explanations'...

Then why the criticism of MP for sharing info that 'anyone could work out'?

I don't know, I didn't criticize MP. Although while we're talking about it, he could have been subtler about it, or made sure Scotty was actually in danger of being lynched before he said anything... but I don't think subtlety is MP's calling card.

It doesn't particularly matter to me what Wilgy meant, because Wilgy is dead and I don't suspect Scotty regardless.

#2192

DharmaHelper wrote:I've only been tangentially following the Enrique/Matt thing so what I say now may not be 100% current, but if Matt did find himself in a modkillable/replaceable situation, I hope it is resolved sometime before EoD so the question of "Do we vote Matt or not" isn't choking the thread to death.

Luckily Epignosis just responded to me and he says that no action should be taken against either Matt or myself, and that everything should proceed as normal.

#2193

Typhoony wrote:Golden, all you are doing by claiming the Scotty is civ theory is convincing evidence is painting a huge target on his back for nightkills. If you truly believe him to be civ, why do this?

Ah, the old 'nightkill target' argument again.

I already dealt with this shit in GoC. I'm here to solve the game. I have had so many games in which people have declared my civ for various reasons and I haven't been nked. Many games where I've been NKed with no particular clear reason for it. The idea of 'target painting' in that sense is, to me, a straw man argument for why civilians shouldn't even try to figure out who other civilians are.

If people are going to criticise me for declaring people civ, then I may as well hang up my mafia playing boots, because this is how I've played the game since day one and I'll never stop. Civilians figure out who each other is is, quite literally, the only way I've ever seen civilians win. You have to figure out more of them than the number of NKs available.

#2194

Knock knock.

Who's there?

Good to know.

Good to know who?

Good to know Zebra. Now lynch me or not, at this point I don't care, I firmly believe Nero and Enrique to be Mafia.

#2195

sig I disagree with MP's reasons for voting for you but I don't suspect him for it and I don't think he was disingenuous about him. I don't even think the early vote is suspect (I mean, hello, look at my vote) because it happened as you were talking with him and I agree that you were coming across as manipulative with what you were saying.

I would much advocate a sig lynch over a Matt lynch at this point.

linki @ Matt - Did you not see where I've already voted?

#2196

*disingenuous about them

#2197

Turnip Head wrote:he could have been subtler about it, or made sure Scotty was actually in danger of being lynched before he said anything... but I don't think subtlety is MP's calling card.

But WHY be subtler about it.

Why not just make the evidence that you see that exists clear. Then people can decide whether or not they agree with it.

On day zero we all talked about having an open mind. People actually exercising it to solve the game... they take heat.

MP shouldn't be taking shit for trying to solve the game, imo.

@zebra and matt. Could you both stop talking. It is ridiculous that zebra says 'matt may have given too much away' and then advocates anything at all.

#2198

Golden wrote:
Typhoony wrote:Golden, all you are doing by claiming the Scotty is civ theory is convincing evidence is painting a huge target on his back for nightkills. If you truly believe him to be civ, why do this?
Ah, the old 'nightkill target' argument again.

I already dealt with this shit in GoC. I'm here to solve the game. I have had so many games in which people have declared my civ for various reasons and I haven't been nked. Many games where I've been NKed with no particular clear reason for it. The idea of 'target painting' in that sense is, to me, a straw man argument for why civilians shouldn't even try to figure out who other civilians are.

If people are going to criticise me for declaring people civ, then I may as well hang up my mafia playing boots, because this is how I've played the game since day one and I'll never stop. Civilians figure out who each other is is, quite literally, the only way I've ever seen civilians win. You have to figure out more of them than the number of NKs available.

While that's a fair point in general, this game is different because the mafia have to specifically wipe out the civs and they don't much care about the horde of escaped criminals.

#2199

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Enrique wrote:... my point is that Scotty wasn't/isn't in any danger. Don't take this as an attack, I'm disagreeing with you and telling you why the case against you right now is valid.
But you don't even know that. No one can predict who is going to be "in danger" at any given time. That's ridiculous.

But not at this point so why are you pushing it so much? If anyone is painting a target it's you on Scotty (not lynch but NK), not Enrique on Matt (totally different conversation but most of all the conversation in these past few pages I am reading.)

#2200

This is not a 'various reason'.

You're pushing the narrative that Scotty is civ. Is he in danger of getting lynched?
If yes, fair enough.
If no, why do this?

Would you do the same if you saw a rolehint for a civ? "Hello player x hinted at role y here look I'm solving the game".
No, you wouldn't.
We're here to figure out the baddies. We're not here to declare who all the civs are. That counts even more so in this game.

And now I really have to go. Bye nubs

Who killed no one?