[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'll never accept the existance of a failproof method to finding mafia.

I think seeing each players reactions to the lynch is valuable. Labeling them as bad just because they opposed it is not. I need more details than that. Actual posts, actual reading of their intents, observing their thought proccesses.

Sig looks bad for the tone of his posts. Quin doesn't look bad because I see where he was coming from. I'm actualy trying to understand how each one of them was thinking.

I disagree that sig's tone makes him look bad. He looks like normal opinionated sig. Look at his posts from the perspective that he's town and that he thought someone was being saved. Is there any inconsistency there? He just happened to be wrong about the result.

Hmm I don't know. You have a point, but would he be that distressed if it was just some random person being lynched? Had he read Fuzz as civ before that?

I'll admit I was pretty angry at the end of that day myself, though. I had to force to stop posting because I felt like punching all the parties involved.

I'll keep thinking, might change the vote again if another good target appears.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

OK, loook, DDL - at the end of the game, if any of the list of six civilians I said were 'black and white civs' are not, I've already said I will eat a camel.

For me, it's black and white. It's not an approach. You've taken it that way. You've taken it as me saying 'no-one would bus', which I've never said. For me, every single read I've made has come from the conduct of the individual players concerned, not from some kind of 'approach'.

i'm not discussing this matter with you again unless I need to for game purposes. I'm getting emotionally involved and you seem to be too. This won't end well.

[Golden]

OK, loook, DDL - at the end of the game, if any of the list of six civilians I said were 'black and white civs' are not, I've already said I will eat a camel.

For me, it's black and white. It's not an approach. You've taken it that way. You've taken it as me saying 'no-one would bus', which I've never said. For me, every single read I've made has come from the conduct of the individual players concerned, not from some kind of 'approach'.

i'm not discussing this matter with you again unless I need to for game purposes. I'm getting emotionally involved and you seem to be too. This won't end well.

I'm not emotionally involved at all. But I won't push it if you feel that way.

[Golden]

Quin - feels like the better vote for me at this moment.

[Quin]

Quin - feels like the better vote for me at this moment.

Interesting. What happened to 'sig is 100% bad' and 'You are just worth looking at'? What changed?

[Golden]

Quin - feels like the better vote for me at this moment.

Interesting. What happened to 'sig is 100% bad' and 'You are just worth looking at'? What changed?

Nothing. I've been saying I think you are a better bet than sig all day.

[Golden]

Oh, to be fair you are talking about yesterday...

Whats changed is all the discussion thats happened since then. Indi in particular pointed out some things, sloonei too.

[Scotty]

Black Rock do you have any thoughts on Scotty?

No on ever asks me how I feel about Scotty

Scotty how do you feel about Scotty?

finally someone asks! Holy cowlicks!
I think Scotty has big feet, if you know what I mean.

[Golden]

Black Rock do you have any thoughts on Scotty?

No on ever asks me how I feel about Scotty

Scotty how do you feel about Scotty?

finally someone asks! Holy cowlicks!
I think Scotty has big feet, if you know what I mean.

I don't know what you mean.

[Scotty]

Black Rock do you have any thoughts on Scotty?

No on ever asks me how I feel about Scotty

Scotty how do you feel about Scotty?

finally someone asks! Holy cowlicks!
I think Scotty has big feet, if you know what I mean.

I don't know what you mean.

It means it's harder to find shoes in my size. Some people have narrow feet, and feel it unnecessary to produce shoes in half sizes past US 12

[Scotty]

Nerolunar, chaindeath supposes he should thank you. He has looked back through some of the posts where he was mentioned and involved and has gotten some reads. Quite honestly he finds you quite suspect. You claim that he has only posted defensively however, he's tried to figure things out through postings to no avail. He finds it quite interesting that you restated things that he, although perhaps not as explicitly as he should have, days after the fact.

Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:49 pm

yawn can we lynch this now?

This statement makes chaindeath uncomfortable.

Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:42 am

Im still reading Ika as bad. I understand that we are unfamilliar with his playstyle, but I just can´t get around how it looks. Recently he has only posted pictures without words, not really been providing thoughts or reads and previously he would say stuff like "Just lynch this already". It doesn´t look to me like he is really trying. What townstyle exhibits that?

I guess he is working and doesn´t have time to respond properly, but if he doesn´t do it soon I will be voting for him.

Maybe it's a piggy back but to him it seems like a Pingy-back (He tried)

He would also like to state that his initial entry into the game was in a defensive stance since people had voted for chaindeath. Apparently to you, he thinks, not physically having the time to participate is a baddie thing to do. He was out of town with family and to that point he felt his early vote on LC was justified but he didn't want to dwell too long on it. He feels bad saying it but it was more like a "throwaway vote".

Chaindeath would like to conclude with light amount of pingy-ness coming from Scotty also, any interaction with him seems to have been not the friendliest.

D&D night got moved up a day, so he will likely not be on until late or even tomorrow morning

Is your pinginess of me only because I find what you say and do suspicious? Scotty would like to conclude that that is called a NO-U

[Quin]

Well, I've completely run out of things to argue my EoD2 actions with, so have at it. If you have something new you want to discuss, feel free to do so.

I feel as though this is either a not-so-subtle orchestrated attempt from the mafia to have me lynched, or else a bunch of civs who are tunneling on EoD2 specifically and making a mistake in looking at my actions in that moment, and not considering my actions previous to the fact. People keep saying 'I'll ISO Quin' but it's yet to happen outside of a Fuzz context.

[Turnip Head]

Black Rock do you have any thoughts on Scotty?

No on ever asks me how I feel about Scotty

Scotty how do you feel about Scotty?

finally someone asks! Holy cowlicks!
I think Scotty has big feet, if you know what I mean.

I don't know what I was expecting.

[Black Rock]

Black Rock do you have any thoughts on Scotty?

No on ever asks me how I feel about Scotty

Scotty how do you feel about Scotty?

finally someone asks! Holy cowlicks!
I think Scotty has big feet, if you know what I mean.

interesting perspective. Do you think your opinion has been clouded by the close proximity you keep with Scotty?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I have a similar problem, but with pants. I'm very tall and very skinny. As such, it's hard to find pants of my height that are not too wide.

[Turnip Head]

Well, I've completely run out of things to argue my EoD2 actions with, so have at it. If you have something new you want to discuss, feel free to do so.

I feel as though this is either a not-so-subtle orchestrated attempt from the mafia to have me lynched, or else a bunch of civs who are tunneling on EoD2 specifically and making a mistake in looking at my actions in that moment, and not considering my actions previous to the fact. People keep saying 'I'll ISO Quin' but it's yet to happen outside of a Fuzz context.

I think it's the latter. There's some bloodthirsty civs out there looking for their views to be validated. You're okay in my book Quin I hope you survive this.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Well, I've completely run out of things to argue my EoD2 actions with, so have at it. If you have something new you want to discuss, feel free to do so.

I feel as though this is either a not-so-subtle orchestrated attempt from the mafia to have me lynched, or else a bunch of civs who are tunneling on EoD2 specifically and making a mistake in looking at my actions in that moment, and not considering my actions previous to the fact. People keep saying 'I'll ISO Quin' but it's yet to happen outside of a Fuzz context.

ISOs are annoying. And I've found them to be extremely susceptible to confirmation bias.

Trust me, you don't want people who already suspect you doing ISOs on you.

[Turnip Head]

BR thoughts on sig Quin Enrique etc?

[Black Rock]

BR thoughts on sig Quin Enrique etc?

Sig is one of the players I am considering for todays vote.

I don't know Quin so I am at a loss.

If Enrique is bad he hasn't said anything stupid so I can peg him. That's usually how I catch him. I wish I had a lie detect ability.

Why all the questions TH? Worried I like you too much?

[Turnip Head]

Maybe lol. You know me so well.

[Quin]

Well, I've completely run out of things to argue my EoD2 actions with, so have at it. If you have something new you want to discuss, feel free to do so.

I feel as though this is either a not-so-subtle orchestrated attempt from the mafia to have me lynched, or else a bunch of civs who are tunneling on EoD2 specifically and making a mistake in looking at my actions in that moment, and not considering my actions previous to the fact. People keep saying 'I'll ISO Quin' but it's yet to happen outside of a Fuzz context.

ISOs are annoying. And I've found them to be extremely susceptible to confirmation bias.

Trust me, you don't want people who already suspect you doing ISOs on you.

Actually, I do want them to ISO me. The current bandwagon is pretty much based around the concept that my behaviour in response to the Fuzz lynch is suspicious. I've said all there is to say about that, so clearly we need to talk about some more if I want to get people to change their votes.

[Quin]

BR thoughts on sig Quin Enrique etc?

Sig is one of the players I am considering for todays vote.

I don't know Quin so I am at a loss.

If Enrique is bad he hasn't said anything stupid so I can peg him. That's usually how I catch him. I wish I had a lie detect ability.

Why all the questions TH? Worried I like you too much?

I'm quin. I like cats, long walks on the beach and calamari.

[Golden]

So, Quin, I think I can more put into words my thoughts on why I think you are bad, around your end of day behaviour.

1) You really went out of your way to deny that there were any good reasons to vote for Fuzz. Even after the fact, you said your refusal to vote fuzz was 'well justified, unlike the 7 votes for fuzz'. This really pinged me, because the reason for the Fuzz votes was well articulated.

2) You jumped on an explanation fuzz gave for his ika vote that he only gave in the midst of taking heat as a gospel truth eg "he would have voted either way, he didn't care which", which I felt to be a false explanation given he had expressed suspicion of gleam and said he wouldnt touch the ika/silverwolf with a bargepole (this still makes me think maybe gleam is the right vote... I keep tossing up between the three of you). You say 'you didn't agree with the way people interpreted [Fuzz's] vote' -

3) Your suspicion of sloonei. I trust he is civ and I trust when he says he finds your suspicion false. You two act as though you can read each other well, and in some respects I'm trusting Sloonei's read because I trust his behaviour around EoD 2.

4) Your push to lynch me from well before I had really felt like you were the most likely culprit. From the very start this has felt to me like a co-ordinated plan of the mafia. When you call out a number of people and suddenly every one of them wants to lynch you - you, sig, DDL, etc... it feels like I've struck a nerve. Admittedly, silverwolf and Matt were in there too and I don't suspect silverwolf.

5) silverwolf said it well - your posts read to me as a little over explanatory and defensive of your position in the fuzz lynch.

6) And, as I mentioned once before, it felt like you were pitting me and DDL against each other, and trying to turn the lynch to one of us, which made me feel kinda good about ddl and worse about you.

The thing that gives me most pause is I don't think you and DDL are a team together, and I go back and forth on DDL in my mind, he makes me paranoid.

Also, I have to admit, ISOing you helped. Your posts feel far less manipulative than sigs, in that sig kept ascribing specific motivation to what was going down... I'll pint this out in a minute. Already isoed sig once, but it's probably worth putting down my findings.

[Epignosis]

Well, I've completely run out of things to argue my EoD2 actions with, so have at it. If you have something new you want to discuss, feel free to do so.

I feel as though this is either a not-so-subtle orchestrated attempt from the mafia to have me lynched, or else a bunch of civs who are tunneling on EoD2 specifically and making a mistake in looking at my actions in that moment, and not considering my actions previous to the fact. People keep saying 'I'll ISO Quin' but it's yet to happen outside of a Fuzz context.

ISOs are annoying. And I've found them to be extremely susceptible to confirmation bias.

Trust me, you don't want people who already suspect you doing ISOs on you.

Actually, I do want them to ISO me. The current bandwagon is pretty much based around the concept that my behaviour in response to the Fuzz lynch is suspicious. I've said all there is to say about that, so clearly we need to talk about some more if I want to get people to change their votes.

My vote isn't.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Yeah I had that feeling about Sig. He was conspiracy theorizing at every step, while Quin seemed more focused on his suspicion of me.

[Quin]

So, Quin, I think I can more put into words my thoughts on why I think you are bad, around your end of day behaviour.

1) You really went out of your way to deny that there were any good reasons to vote for Fuzz. Even after the fact, you said your refusal to vote fuzz was 'well justified, unlike the 7 votes for fuzz'. This really pinged me, because the reason for the Fuzz votes was well articulated.

2) You jumped on an explanation fuzz gave for his ika vote that he only gave in the midst of taking heat as a gospel truth eg "he would have voted either way, he didn't care which", which I felt to be a false explanation given he had expressed suspicion of gleam and said he wouldnt touch the ika/silverwolf with a bargepole (this still makes me think maybe gleam is the right vote... I keep tossing up between the three of you). You say 'you didn't agree with the way people interpreted [Fuzz's] vote' -

3) Your suspicion of sloonei. I trust he is civ and I trust when he says he finds your suspicion false. You two act as though you can read each other well, and in some respects I'm trusting Sloonei's read because I trust his behaviour around EoD 2.

4) Your push to lynch me from well before I had really felt like you were the most likely culprit. From the very start this has felt to me like a co-ordinated plan of the mafia. When you call out a number of people and suddenly every one of them wants to lynch you - you, sig, DDL, etc... it feels like I've struck a nerve. Admittedly, silverwolf and Matt were in there too and I don't suspect silverwolf.

5) silverwolf said it well - your posts read to me as a little over explanatory and defensive of your position in the fuzz lynch.

6) And, as I mentioned once before, it felt like you were pitting me and DDL against each other, and trying to turn the lynch to one of us, which made me feel kinda good about ddl and worse about you.

The thing that gives me most pause is I don't think you and DDL are a team together, and I go back and forth on DDL in my mind, he makes me paranoid.

Also, I have to admit, ISOing you helped. Your posts feel far less manipulative than sigs, in that sig kept ascribing specific motivation to what was going down... I'll pint this out in a minute. Already isoed sig once, but it's probably worth putting down my findings.

I am quite confident I've elaborate enough on most of these, but I'll give you #4 and #6. Whether you want to scumread me for ignoring the rest is up to you, but I am pretty much over talking about it.

4) My vote for you was nearly completely based off of the hypothesis Luffy made about you taking the front seat for something you didn't spearhead yourself. There was another ping I kept to myself much earlier when I was still advocating for Scotty, where you defended him without really addressing the point I was making in the first place. Do you not think it self-destructive for half the mafia team to take part in such a plan?

6) I don't think I did anything of the kind. What I did was the same thing you did at EoD2, expressing my top suspicions at the time. I don't find what you said then as suspicious, so I don't understand what it is about me doing it that pings you. If I flipped mafia, would you still suspect Luffy? Or would his and my interactions lead you to think him as civ?

linki: You're right Epi, of course. The way I went about addressing that issue was definitely weird, but I don't regret it because it lead me to understand how Wilgy felt about you before he died. How do you feel about Metalmarsh now? I know you scumread him as much as you did me, but have those feelings changed? Why did you pick me over the marmot to lynch?

[Golden]

So, why I think sig is bad.

1) He immediately read the shift to Fuzz as 'some kind of big save', and he settles on it specifically being a save of ika or epi. Gleam is notably absent. Quotes like this:

The fact that the Gleam wagon exploded at the beginning of the phase with almost no explanation to being gone and another wagon popping up ijust as fast is insane. I bet Fuzz will flip civ, you'll attempt to lead a Gleam lynch tomorrow and they will flip civ. I know firmly believe one of the other two front runners is a cop.

Make it seem to me like sig was protecting both fuzz AND gleam in that eod. Sig seems to ignore that the ika and epi bandwagons also seem to have popped up with not really any more explanation that the gleam or fuzz ones.

2) Quotes like this:

I also find it very odd Golden doesn't want to lynch Ike a new player but suggested a CFD onto Serge another new player?

Seem to me on their face very manipulative. Trying to discredit one of the loudest voices by misrepresenting the motivation for saving ika.

Also this:

This is the scummiest CFD since the one I lead to stop me from getting lynched when I was almost confirmed mafia

trying to paint the CFD as 'scummy'. Like, his language was very strong in its opposition and I felt it was designed to save Fuzz. The whole time he was talking about how all that would happen is mafia would drop out of the other chains to vote in the new one... it seemed false to me.

3)

He voted for ike after saying he wasn't going to discuss ike/Silver correct? I believe Baddie Fuzz wouldn't slip like that. I think this is the mafia finding a weak reason and freaking everyone out.

Here is another quote that specifically bothered me. "I believe baddie fuzz wouldn't slip like that". It felt and sounded to me like a specific effort to protect Fuzz.

4) He expressly advocated people vote on the counter chain

Yo zebra, what do you think of this sudden Fuzz wagon? You should vote for Ike.

5) It doesn't help that sigs view of the world post-lynch is essentially the exact reverse of what I think seems sensible and still seems like it is being defensive of the people I see as most likely to be his teammates.

I'm in no way mafia was I wrong about Fuzz yes. However, nobody had convinced me enough to prove he was guilty and I had already mentioned how I'd rather Ika be lynched then another player. At that time this player was gleam but all the gleam people switched to Fuzz.

Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14),RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29)

The most suspicious here is LC. I think the people more likely to be cops are Zebra/Epi, and Sloonie. I don't doubt there are a few on here however, I don't think there would have been a huge movement to save Fuzz if anything I think mafia members would jump in his wagon to gain civ credit espacilly when you have Golden saying nobody on the Fuzz wagon was mafia.

LC, zebra, epi and sloonei most suspicious? That I found very hard to understand. What about gleam, quin, enrique?

6) And he was the deciding vote that appeared to save Fuzz.

There is lots that looks bad to me in sig's iso. He looks good on day 3, I won't deny. He's tried very hard to clear his name.

[indiglo]

Also I would say it is also blatantly obvious why Matt has completely changed his view on me.

Lol.

Sorry for goin' after you dude. You seemed like such a baddie.

Before you get murderfied, who are your top suspect? sig?

Right now, its in this order

Quin
Gleam
Sig
Enrique

For all that some people want to resist, I'll step through this really logically.

The fuzz lynch came out of nowhere
There was NO time for his teammates to make a plan. Were they saving? Were they bussing?
In such circumstances, there are ALWAYS baddies who make themselves obvious. There can't not be. There are not 5 people who were all absent or handled eod perfectly.

Do I think all the obvious candidates are bad? Probably not. But I'm absolutely certain some of them are. DDL wants to say I'm not solving the game. I am trying to figure out who is most likely bad out of the very small pool of people who cocked up the end of day. No, I'm not going to look further abroad, because further abroad is going to have a much lower likely success rate.

I could be wrong about quin. I could be wrong about sig. I could be wrong about gleam. I could be wrong about enrique.

No way am I wrong about all of them. I'd say at least two are bad, if not more.

What's my trademark this game? "Replying as I catch up..."

Ok, so you're putting sig down your list. lol - We're like passing ships, because I just put him up higher on mine, but I have yet to do my re-read on Quin. I had limited time this AM, so I chose to do sig first since he had less posts. Once I catch up tonight I'll re-read Quin.


Also, I just want to say this: on Saturday, I will be out after about 3pm Eastern US time. I will not be back before EoD. (Doing a movie, etc.) So I will have to lock in my final vote before I leave. I am hoping beyond hope we can come to a solid consensus before then. If anything happens last minute again though, please know I will not be able to be here to help, so figure that in. Kthxbai.


Back to catching up.


Aha! My other trademark this game!
Linki~

[indiglo]

After much arm twisting by yours truly, it seems the replacement gods are smiling upon us.

Effective immediately, Boomslang is replacing Enrique.

Effective immediately, Draconus is replacing Mongoose.

Thanks to Enrique and Mongoose for being patient and playing, and equal thanks to Boomslang and Draconus for stepping in, when otherwise I had run out of options.

Note that if you wish to vote for any of the replacements today (now that we've had three), just vote for their predecessor in the thread and the poll.

Hooray! Thank you new people! And thank you old people! And thanks to the axolotl hanging out by Enrique's screen name!

[sig]

Reading on the end of the day 2.

Wow why Fuzz this makes no sense I think this is a baddie driven CFD to save a teammate, notice almost the same people are up for lynches today as yesterday? I stand by my theory that one was mafia and that we had some minor save last phase, I think we are seeing a much bigger save attempt this phase. With a mafia team thhis big a CFD is easy to pull off I think this is scum driven to save one of the three leading people. Most likely Ike or Epi.

Can someone give me any reason for the Fuzz lynch?

I also really dislike DDL switch and his reasons. I actually am agreeing with Llama about him what about a Dragon lycnh?

linki: DDL and Golden are my top two scum reads, either Ike or Epi are there partners. Possibly Wilgy as well.

Is it just me or this post was typed really fast? Look at the typing errors.

I'd rather not see my typing errors, though it is probably giving Epi a heart attack. :P

Again here. Right after ika calls him bad. He types this really fast.

Notice how this isn't a regular thing, Sig is perfectly capable of writing better constructed post in other situations.

Thank you? I think.

Why do you bring this up? EOD was close and I was typing quickly to get my points across are you saying this is an alignment indicator or? Your case agaisnt me has little to no bearing it seems your just tone reading and saying I'm bad since I was typing fast to get my point across? That makes no sense what so ever. I'll address Golden's points in a second, but you seem super scummy. Tell me what happened to your Gleam suspicions?

[Golden]

Do you not think it self-destructive for half the mafia team to take part in such a plan?

This is my whole point, Quin. When something like that happens with half an hour to go, there is no chance to have a 'plan'. I don't think, for example, that sig 'planned' to cast a vote on ika that broke the tie and saw ika end up with more votes than fuzz. These things just happen when something of that magnitude goes down within that little time.

Self-destruction to some magnitude is absolutely inevitable. Baddies try to save their teammates if they can. They try to bus them if they can't. When such a sudden shift happens, there is no time to make that evaluation, 'oh, I need to bus'. Like, DDL thinks I'm a master at bussing but I swear that even the masteriest master would not have realised they needed to bus so quickly. I really sincerely believe there is zero chance that some baddies didn't out themselves.

Yes, it's self-destructive, but it's not (as Enrique felt) being accused of being stupid. In those kind of timeframes with that kind of shift there is not enough time to react, and some people are going to out themselves.

[Golden]

Going back to sig. ISOing quin did make me feel better about him, somewhat.

[Golden]

But maybe the best vote of all would actually be a gleam vote.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I feel like if I have to pursue another gleam lynch I'm gonna have an aneurism.

[sig]

FIRST THING first. @DDL you say I'm conspiracy theorizing have you seen Golden's posts? Especially his latest against me? See that and Matt's case's are conspircay theories not my points. AND wait a second If I was mafia why would I be making conspiracy theories about who I think is scum? Which I'm not even really doing but whatever. What I did say is that CFD are in my experiences mainly used by the mafia hence the mafia was trying to save someone. I still believe the mafia committed a save day 1 with their last minute votes and we have almost lynched one of them two days in a row. I think one of the three leading people last phase was mafia, the mafia tried to redirect the bandwagon onto someone else other then Fuzz while at the same time bussing him. Which is what Golden did.

Yeah I had that feeling about Sig. He was conspiracy theorizing at every step, while Quin seemed more focused on his suspicion of me.

[Golden]

I feel like if I have to pursue another gleam lynch I'm gonna have an aneurism.

Do you feel like it would be a good lynch? would be ironic if heaps of us shifted from one cop to another lol.

[indiglo]

Sig.

Here is the drill. i'm not fully convinced at my Golden suspicion. While I believe it's very possible that Golden could be bussing (I always assume there is no limit to what baddie Golden can do), and while his draconian approach to the lynch result is stupid at best and opportunistic at worse, I'm finding it hard to justify how he is actually bad in this game. The fact he could be doesn't mean he is. As such, I'm willing to give him more time.

Also I don't like how fast the Golden wagon grew. I was expecting more resistance when I was writing that post. There was resiatance, but the people being attacked by Golden and Sloonei jumped on the OMGUS train too fast for my tastes. SW is a civ read of mine, but Quin is a neutral one. And Sig has been also saying Golden is bad without actually voting for him.

Also upon reading the day 2 end more care, I can see a tone of despair in Sig's reaction to the lynch. He seemed on the fence about the CFD, until it targeted Fuzz and he freaked out. I can buy the case on him being bad.

Plus, it gives me the perfect chance to get a better read on Golden. If Sig flips bad, I'm willing to read him as civ. If he flips civ... I'll think about it.

As for the other main suspects, Quin has some bad pings here and there with some OMGUS posts, but I don't think his EoD2 looked really bad. Enrique's looked worst, but I'm skeptical of suspecting players who weren't able to keep enough focus in the game, to the point Enrique was even asking to be lynched at some point. I'll give booms time to prove himself.

Still need to read LC.

I agree with your sig thoughts here. Really do.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Reading on the end of the day 2.

Wow why Fuzz this makes no sense I think this is a baddie driven CFD to save a teammate, notice almost the same people are up for lynches today as yesterday? I stand by my theory that one was mafia and that we had some minor save last phase, I think we are seeing a much bigger save attempt this phase. With a mafia team thhis big a CFD is easy to pull off I think this is scum driven to save one of the three leading people. Most likely Ike or Epi.

Can someone give me any reason for the Fuzz lynch?

I also really dislike DDL switch and his reasons. I actually am agreeing with Llama about him what about a Dragon lycnh?

linki: DDL and Golden are my top two scum reads, either Ike or Epi are there partners. Possibly Wilgy as well.

Is it just me or this post was typed really fast? Look at the typing errors.

I'd rather not see my typing errors, though it is probably giving Epi a heart attack. :P

Again here. Right after ika calls him bad. He types this really fast.

Notice how this isn't a regular thing, Sig is perfectly capable of writing better constructed post in other situations.

Thank you? I think.

Why do you bring this up? EOD was close and I was typing quickly to get my points across are you saying this is an alignment indicator or? Your case agaisnt me has little to no bearing it seems your just tone reading and saying I'm bad since I was typing fast to get my point across? That makes no sense what so ever. I'll address Golden's points in a second, but you seem super scummy. Tell me what happened to your Gleam suspicions?

WIll you cut with the OMGUS, plz? Not everyone who votes for you must be bad.

I posted the quotes about spelling errors because I felt nobody else had pointed that. There are so many other points about you being bad in this game I felt no need to repeat in detail. Instead I summed up everything in a post.

You feel like you were trying to put down a fire. Tell me, did you actually think Fuzz was a civ during that lynch?

Linki: why don't you vote for Golden then? You have been calling his bad over and over since Day 2, I'm not seeing your vote.

[Golden]

So sig

Suspecting the person who cast the deciding vote to save a baddie is a conspiracy theory.
But suspecting the person who was one of the loudest voices leading the lynch on the baddie is not a conspiracy theory.

?

@DDL - another good point. Sig has been on a pattern of discrediting me for a while

[indiglo]

Black Rock do you have any thoughts on Scotty?

No on ever asks me how I feel about Scotty

Scotty how do you feel about Scotty?

finally someone asks! Holy cowlicks!
I think Scotty has big feet, if you know what I mean.

Big shoes are expensive?

[Epignosis]

linki: You're right Epi, of course. The way I went about addressing that issue was definitely weird, but I don't regret it because it lead me to understand how Wilgy felt about you before he died. How do you feel about Metalmarsh now? I know you scumread him as much as you did me, but have those feelings changed? Why did you pick me over the marmot to lynch?

Eh? When did this happen?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also I have a problem with your opposing of the CFD:

Serge and Fuzz votes both opportunistic, I'd be open to either of them too.

Serge another new player?

linki: Good point from Sloonie, however I can also see what he means CFD usually are lead by mafia imo. It has saved me more then once getting worked up then someone else suggesting it

The previous post from Sloonei, which I belioeve is the one you were referring to in the link, is this one:

I don't like the idea of starting another wagon, when we already have 3, with less than an hour for the phase to end.

This is the PERFECT opportunity for scum to save each other if they need to.

If you don't like the current wagons then tough luck. Try to push another one earlier next day.

I don't feel great about any of the options (I feel decent about Epi, okay about ika, a little resistant about Gleam) and a number of my strongest town reads have now stated a similar sentiment.

I can read this as a cop who is nervous that the changing tide will sweep away one of his partners.

So... "good point"? It feels to me that you didn't completely oppose the idea of CFD. You were pretty on the fence. Then they pick Fuzz and you start panicking?

[Quin]

How do people post their ISO's? It just seems like a lot of effort of going back and forth between pages to keep quotes. There's got to be a faster method than that, right?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I spent half of college doing research on Computational Fluid Dynamics, and now you people come and turn CFD in a mafia acronym. I can't help but giggle every time I have to use it.

[Golden]

How do people post their ISO's? It just seems like a lot of effort of going back and forth between pages to keep quotes. There's got to be a faster method than that, right?

The in topic button below peoples avatars... then when I want the quote I open it in a new tab and copy paste.

[Golden]

DDL, asides from the fact you feel frustrated with my methods, and I genuinely think it might be because you have misunderstood what I was saying a little, I think perhaps now that you are looking at sig you really are seeing exactly what I have been seeing from the start. I completely agree with the inferences you are taking from his posts.

[Quin]

I have finally finished reading. Jesus.

This jumped out at me:

I don't see anything different in Epi than I did when we played Zodiac as scum together. You could debate that I have the freshest eyes out of everyone here, but you could also argue that I'm the least educated on typical Epi gameplay. Either way, I think we could get some quality information by lynching Epi. I say that because of this post:

@Epignosis, what do you think about Wilgy right now?

I mean, you said you think he's a civ, but what made you change your mind?

Dunno if you have the time to answer this now, but I'll leave the question for when you do.

I won't be voting for him. I don't think it's a good idea to say why.

It's a shame that I can't find the voting patterns from Zodiac Mafia. What do you all think? Does Epi usually shy away from lynches like he did just now?

"Quality information"

Yay! Well done on the lynch.

Im not so sure on Ika anymore. Im more inclined to lynching Epi right now, though I will have to wait for the night to end before making any reads. We should have fresh information by then.

"Fresh information."

Radical Fuzz was bad, got lynched because of vote manipulation, and these two want to lynch me...for information? Yeah...to hell with that.

Once you have your information, lynch these two next. They both articulate a willingness to lynch me for information, but they don't express what would be discovered if I did get lynched and was or was not a cop. What information are they looking to gather? To me, this suggests an eagerness to get voters to overlook the important information we already have. You know, like that fact Radical Fuzz was bad.


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This post, Epi. You clearly held the same opinion for me as you did him right here.

[Epignosis]

This post, Epi. You clearly held the same opinion for me as you did him right here.

linki: You're right Epi, of course. The way I went about addressing that issue was definitely weird, but I don't regret it because it lead me to understand how Wilgy felt about you before he died. How do you feel about Metalmarsh now? I know you scumread him as much as you did me, but have those feelings changed? Why did you pick me over the marmot to lynch?

Eh? When did this happen?

Help me out here.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@Golden

Mafia has made me paranoid. I think that's a good thing, imo.

I think you need to work on your presentation of reads better though. You have been giving me an arrogant vibe, specially since right after the lynch. And I hate arrogance with a passion. Please do not take this as an insult, just a criticism.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

What I mean is, try to look a little more like you are aware you could be wrong. It shouldn't take 48 hours of pressuring for someone to make you admit that.