Downton Abbey Mafia (ENDGAME)

[ika]

@daisy I'm at work but I think your misinterpreting my way of saying what "baseline" I use. Each person has their own.

We have a lunch in arm but when I get off I'll respond proper

[Spacedaisy]

No worries ika, I'm off today you can respond whenever. And I'm willing to be open to understanding what you mean.

[Silverwolf]

@metalmarsh-Why did you vote for yourself?

[Silverwolf]

@Daisy-Why is your read of me dependent on ika? Do you have any independent thoughts on my alignment outside of what ika says?

He will deny this until the day he dies, but I once fooled him as scum in a game.

[Marmot]

@metalmarsh-Why did you vote for yourself?

No reason, no reason at all.

[Marmot]

@Daisy-Why is your read of me dependent on ika? Do you have any independent thoughts on my alignment outside of what ika says?

He will deny this until the day he dies, but I once fooled him as scum in a game.

How many games have the two of you played together where you were mafia and he was civ?

Are the odds in Spacedaisy's favor to make such a read?

[ika]

@Daisy-Why is your read of me dependent on ika? Do you have any independent thoughts on my alignment outside of what ika says?

He will deny this until the day he dies, but I once fooled him as scum in a game.

I knew it when I saw the flip. I said to not vote but the other townie voted while I was as work...

btw I just has lenon pepper chicken and cake and got a camcorder super hyped

[Silverwolf]

I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

Is going along with bandwagons more townish behavior?

Well, I can give you my honest opinion on it. I'm less inclined to care about my voting as town. As scum, I'm a lot more careful about it. So joining a bandwagon right away in a game, leans town for me as it promotes discussion and pressures someone that most likely needs it. This kind of pushing is townie to me. Now, if someone jumps on a major bandwagon with lame reasoning on someone who looks town or flips town, I'm gonna re-examine that a lot more closely next day.

The issue I had with your post is the fact that you started the day defending the leading wagon. It could be you honestly don't believe Dom is scum but I don't get that impression from you. You could be defending a teammate, possible. OR, you could be whiteknighting a wagon as scum which I have done before in past games. Usually in my opening statements because A) It's conversation that is easy to make and looks protown and/or B) I know the wagon is on town and it will give me town points going forward.

Due to your overall posting so far, I'm going with the later for now.

Metalmarsh's self vote is odd, don't know what to make of it.

I like daisy and ika for civ right now.

[Silverwolf]

@Daisy-Why is your read of me dependent on ika? Do you have any independent thoughts on my alignment outside of what ika says?

He will deny this until the day he dies, but I once fooled him as scum in a game.

I knew it when I saw the flip. I said to not vote but the other townie voted while I was as work...

btw I just has lenon pepper chicken and cake and got a camcorder super hyped

Congratulations ika!!

[Silverwolf]

@Daisy-Why is your read of me dependent on ika? Do you have any independent thoughts on my alignment outside of what ika says?

He will deny this until the day he dies, but I once fooled him as scum in a game.

How many games have the two of you played together where you were mafia and he was civ?

Are the odds in Spacedaisy's favor to make such a read?

Um, let's see I gotta think:

There was the Open game-I was mafia, ika was town-fooled him most of the game and won-he says he figured me out at the end.

There was fire and ice-I was mafia, he was civ. He knew I was scum but could not get me lynched. My teammate won that one as I was nightkilled by the other scumteam.

There was the werewolf game-I was wolf, ika was seer-more than likely that would of been him catching me N1 or I would of killed him N1-we had to drop out due to our hydra chat in another game-too easy to cross talk games.

He modded a game where I was mafia traitor and scum won that one as well and modded another scum game where I was scum and we won.

So yeah, ika has good experience with me as scum.

Yes, Daisy has good call to use it. However, she didn't know all this so to assume ika could read me without looking at me herself was slightly odd to me.

[Spacedaisy]

@Daisy-Why is your read of me dependent on ika? Do you have any independent thoughts on my alignment outside of what ika says?

He will deny this until the day he dies, but I once fooled him as scum in a game.

Because at this moment I don't have a read on you independent from him, as we proceed I'm sure that may change. As I mentioned already there is the possibility either you could be fooling him or he could be fooling me, which is why neither of you are getting a full on civ pass from me, but as far as day 1, unless either of you do something to change my mind I doubt I will vote either of you today.

[Marmot]

I'm voting for birdwithteeth as well.

I don't like the consecutive posts he made in response to DFaraday earlier.

Also, I doubt I will vote for Silverwolf today.

[Marmot]

I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

I agree with this. If Dom is doing something that someone feels is suspicious and pointed it out, then I must have missed it. I'll look back later and see if I can find it though.

Somehow I went to post before I finished my thought. Need more coffee still...

That being said, if Dom is indeed bad, then this looks like someone trying to offer a subtle defense of a teammate without providing any legitimate backing to it.

I think I know where I'm putting a placeholder vote for now.

This is the series of posts.

Bwt, how did you go from not seeing Dom as bad (saying you missed it) to DF must be bad if Dom is bad?

And why did you vote DF instead of Dom?

[DFaraday]

BWT's train of thought makes no sense, so I'm putting my vote there for now.

[DFaraday]

I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

I disagree. Who would we lynch if it's not the player playing the least civilian of any of us?

I think someone can play with a style that you might perceive as not benefiting the town, but that may still be attempting to hunt baddies in their own way. There's a difference between not playing like a civ (whatever that even means) and actually doing suspicious things (defending someone who turned out to be bad, voting to save a baddie, etc.).

[Scotty]

Just because I said I haven't been lynched Day 1 in a while doesn't mean the time has come again.

It might be a good idea though. How about if you're bad? Then I might die night 1 if you're not lynched first. I have to put some thought into this.

Seeing Illy play has brought my mood up. I like the return of old Mafia friends. I thought I'd never see her again.

I'll probably nightkill Scotty instead. He's my other go-to option.

[Nerolunar]

These last few pages have been interesting. Im feeling good about Daisy.

I don´t know who to vote for yet. Out of the three "wagons" I feel worst about DFaraday. His tone reminds me of Arkham where I was bad with him. (Although not for long )

[Scotty]

Hey Marmot: what do you think of the 3 current trains right now? How do you feel about those particular people being voted for?

[Scotty]

EBWOP: becauSe I find it strange you are attaching yourself to bwt while patently avoiding discussing Dom thus far, and to an extent even Dfaraday

[Scotty]

I guess what I'm tryin to say is: Metalmarsh

I could very well see a Dom or DFaraday/MM pairing. A teammate trying to save one of the big trains by attaching to another. A day 1 marmot lynch wouldn't be so bad, would it?

[Marmot]

EBWOP: becauSe I find it strange you are attaching yourself to bwt while patently avoiding discussing Dom thus far, and to an extent even Dfaraday

Why is this strange?

You have not mentioned Dom or DFaraday at all this game before this post, but you suspect me for not doing so?

You're walking a dangerous road my friend.

[thellama73]

I don't quite know what to make of Daisy's soliloquy towards Ika. I don't remember ever seeing her post that much at once. Maybe he's just gotten under her skin, which is understandable, but it seems like atypical behavior from her, and atypical behavior is always worth noticing.

[Scotty]

EBWOP: becauSe I find it strange you are attaching yourself to bwt while patently avoiding discussing Dom thus far, and to an extent even Dfaraday

Why is this strange?

You have not mentioned Dom or DFaraday at all this game before this post, but you suspect me for not doing so?

You're walking a dangerous road my friend.

Ah yes, but I votes for you on the reason that you haven't mentioned the trains and voted for someone for a thin reason that had a vote on him already.

I'm calling the kettle brown to an extent, because I think based on your actions I think that one of Dom or DFaraday is bad but I don't feel comfortable voting there yet in case I am wrong.

I feel better voting for you

[Scotty]

Also you didn't answer my question RE:Dom and Dfaraday

[Spacedaisy]

I don't quite know what to make of Daisy's soliloquy towards Ika. I don't remember ever seeing her post that much at once. Maybe he's just gotten under her skin, which is understandable, but it seems like atypical behavior from her, and atypical behavior is always worth noticing.

That and the fact my husband has been bugging me to revert back to old Daisy mafia style. I'm trying my hand at it again, but it's been many years since I have been that player, so we'll see if I can keep it up.

[Scotty]

I don't quite know what to make of Daisy's soliloquy towards Ika. I don't remember ever seeing her post that much at once. Maybe he's just gotten under her skin, which is understandable, but it seems like atypical behavior from her, and atypical behavior is always worth noticing.

That and the fact my husband has been bugging me to revert back to old Daisy mafia style. I'm trying my hand at it again, but it's been many years since I have been that player, so we'll see if I can keep it up.

What does old Daisy Mafia style entail? Making flower puns?

[Marmot]

EBWOP: becauSe I find it strange you are attaching yourself to bwt while patently avoiding discussing Dom thus far, and to an extent even Dfaraday

Why is this strange?

You have not mentioned Dom or DFaraday at all this game before this post, but you suspect me for not doing so?

You're walking a dangerous road my friend.

Ah yes, but I votes for you on the reason that you haven't mentioned the trains and voted for someone for a thin reason that had a vote on him already.

I'm calling the kettle brown to an extent, because I think based on your actions I think that one of Dom or DFaraday is bad but I don't feel comfortable voting there yet in case I am wrong.

I feel better voting for you

I don't follow your reasoning here. Why do I have to mention my thoughts on the DFaraday and Dom trains when I vote for bwt?

I don't think DFaraday is bad. I didn't agree with this post, but his posts since then give me a civ-lean. And then there was bwt's vote for DF which I don't understand.

I am neutral on Dom. But that's mainly because I skimmed some of the earlier chatter.


What do you think of Dom, DFaraday and bwt? I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

[Spacedaisy]

I don't quite know what to make of Daisy's soliloquy towards Ika. I don't remember ever seeing her post that much at once. Maybe he's just gotten under her skin, which is understandable, but it seems like atypical behavior from her, and atypical behavior is always worth noticing.

That and the fact my husband has been bugging me to revert back to old Daisy mafia style. I'm trying my hand at it again, but it's been many years since I have been that player, so we'll see if I can keep it up.

What does old Daisy Mafia style entail? Making flower puns?

Back in the LP/TP days I used to post much more heavily, and usually put all my thoughts into the thread as they came to me. Basically more overall engagement.

[Scotty]

EBWOP: becauSe I find it strange you are attaching yourself to bwt while patently avoiding discussing Dom thus far, and to an extent even Dfaraday

Why is this strange?

You have not mentioned Dom or DFaraday at all this game before this post, but you suspect me for not doing so?

You're walking a dangerous road my friend.

Ah yes, but I votes for you on the reason that you haven't mentioned the trains and voted for someone for a thin reason that had a vote on him already.

I'm calling the kettle brown to an extent, because I think based on your actions I think that one of Dom or DFaraday is bad but I don't feel comfortable voting there yet in case I am wrong.

I feel better voting for you

I don't follow your reasoning here. Why do I have to mention my thoughts on the DFaraday and Dom trains when I vote for bwt?

I don't think DFaraday is bad. I didn't agree with this post, but his posts since then give me a civ-lean. And then there was bwt's vote for DF which I don't understand.

I am neutral on Dom. But that's mainly because I skimmed some of the earlier chatter.


What do you think of Dom, DFaraday and bwt? I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

You don't have to talk about your thoughts on the trains, it's just the absence of mentioning them at all and attaching yourself to bwt for posting in succession, of all things, seemed like a thin reason and convenient attempt to start another wagon.

Your explanation here about not voting Ddaraday is welcomed here in the manor, but I'm not sated unfortunately. It just seems convenient is all.

[Scotty]

I think that It is too early to tell for Dom and DFaraday. I lean scum on Dom, but having 4 people outright vote him is either a bullseye by town or a huge mistake.

im curious about bwt. My gut tells me he could be bad (yes I see that you are voting him) but I need a reminder: was he bad in "A World Reborn"? He was NK'd n1 I remember, and he is acting differently this game I feel.

[Dom]

I guess what I'm tryin to say is: Metalmarsh

I could very well see a Dom or DFaraday/MM pairing. A teammate trying to save one of the big trains by attaching to another. A day 1 marmot lynch wouldn't be so bad, would it?

Can you name a game where you didn't think I was bad early on? I'm just wondering.

[Polo]

I think that It is too early to tell for Dom and DFaraday. I lean scum on Dom, but having 4 people outright vote him is either a bullseye by town or a huge mistake.

im curious about bwt. My gut tells me he could be bad (yes I see that you are voting him) but I need a reminder: was he bad in "A World Reborn"? He was NK'd n1 I remember, and he is acting differently this game I feel.

Rather difficult for us townies hit a bullseye when the first night phase hasn't ended yet. Well, it happened in EST Mafia Heist, and we killed the Godfather on day 1, but that was a strike of luck, really.

We have 16 civs, including upper and lower house. Cora Crawley has the power to detect whether a line is true or false each night. I suggest everyone should post the line "I am a civilian". Whoever refuses to do that must be subject to scrutiny from us townies (maybe from the mafia too but in that case they'd be pretending to be town just to remove their butts from the danger zone). Lady Cora should then try and check those lines and hopefully detect one mafioso, though her chances of discovering a mafioso on the first night are:

a) 16,67%, in case we accidentally (or not, if the mafia succeeds in getting civs on a bandwagon) lynch a civillian/doctor;
b) 11,11%, in case we successfully murder one of the bad guys.

TL;DR: Post "I am a civilian" if you don't want to get your ass lynched. The doctor should ignore this and try to keep a low profile.

[Epignosis]

I think that It is too early to tell for Dom and DFaraday. I lean scum on Dom, but having 4 people outright vote him is either a bullseye by town or a huge mistake.

im curious about bwt. My gut tells me he could be bad (yes I see that you are voting him) but I need a reminder: was he bad in "A World Reborn"? He was NK'd n1 I remember, and he is acting differently this game I feel.

Rather difficult for us townies hit a bullseye when the first night phase hasn't ended yet. Well, it happened in EST Mafia Heist, and we killed the Godfather on day 1, but that was a strike of luck, really.

We have 16 civs, including upper and lower house. Cora Crawley has the power to detect whether a line is true or false each night. I suggest everyone should post the line "I am a civilian". Whoever refuses to do that must be subject to scrutiny from us townies (maybe from the mafia too but in that case they'd be pretending to be town just to remove their butts from the danger zone). Lady Cora should then try and check those lines and hopefully detect one mafioso, though her chances of discovering a mafioso on the first night are:

a) 16,67%, in case we accidentally (or not, if the mafia succeeds in getting civs on a bandwagon) lynch a civillian/doctor;
b) 11,11%, in case we successfully murder one of the bad guys.

TL;DR: Post "I am a civilian" if you don't want to get your ass lynched. The doctor should ignore this and try to keep a low profile.

No.

[Dom]

I think that It is too early to tell for Dom and DFaraday. I lean scum on Dom, but having 4 people outright vote him is either a bullseye by town or a huge mistake.

im curious about bwt. My gut tells me he could be bad (yes I see that you are voting him) but I need a reminder: was he bad in "A World Reborn"? He was NK'd n1 I remember, and he is acting differently this game I feel.

Rather difficult for us townies hit a bullseye when the first night phase hasn't ended yet. Well, it happened in EST Mafia Heist, and we killed the Godfather on day 1, but that was a strike of luck, really.

We have 16 civs, including upper and lower house. Cora Crawley has the power to detect whether a line is true or false each night. I suggest everyone should post the line "I am a civilian". Whoever refuses to do that must be subject to scrutiny from us townies (maybe from the mafia too but in that case they'd be pretending to be town just to remove their butts from the danger zone). Lady Cora should then try and check those lines and hopefully detect one mafioso, though her chances of discovering a mafioso on the first night are:

a) 16,67%, in case we accidentally (or not, if the mafia succeeds in getting civs on a bandwagon) lynch a civillian/doctor;
b) 11,11%, in case we successfully murder one of the bad guys.

TL;DR: Post "I am a civilian" if you don't want to get your ass lynched. The doctor should ignore this and try to keep a low profile.

Also no.

[S~V~S]

oh btw everyone needs to post the folloing line

"i am aligned to the town."

cora crawly can just use that to act like a second cop

Statements like this are uncheckable. I don't want the fun of the game to be lost or the game to become unbalanced.

I believe the hostess has already clarified this point (she is busy with life, so I filled in for her this time)

[Dom]

^Also yes.

[Matt]

Still haven't read the thread. Who's bad, Dom?

[Dom]

Still haven't read the thread. Who's bad, Dom?

Maybe ika. Maybe BWT. Maybe you!

[Polo]

oh btw everyone needs to post the folloing line

"i am aligned to the town."

cora crawly can just use that to act like a second cop

Statements like this are uncheckable. I don't want the fun of the game to be lost or the game to become unbalanced.

I believe the hostess has already clarified this point (she is busy with life, so I filled in for her this time)

Oh, I didn't pay attention! Sorry

[Matt]

Still haven't read the thread. Who's bad, Dom?

Maybe ika. Maybe BWT. Maybe you!

Maybe. But ika and BWT are drawing the heat currently? I should prolly catch up. So many pages tho

[Scotty]

I guess what I'm tryin to say is: Metalmarsh

I could very well see a Dom or DFaraday/MM pairing. A teammate trying to save one of the big trains by attaching to another. A day 1 marmot lynch wouldn't be so bad, would it?

Can you name a game where you didn't think I was bad early on? I'm just wondering.

Yeah- Bullets over Broadway. I was like pretty sure you weren't bad in that one

[Dom]

Still haven't read the thread. Who's bad, Dom?

Maybe ika. Maybe BWT. Maybe you!

Maybe. But ika and BWT are drawing the heat currently? I should prolly catch up. So many pages tho

Are you bad, Matt?

No, I wouldn't say ika is drawing heat. I'd say Ika is the radiator. BWT is because he contradicted himself when discussing a suspicion of me and then speculated that if I'm bad then DF is my teammate. He said, therefore, we should lynch DFaraday.

I guess what I'm tryin to say is: Metalmarsh

I could very well see a Dom or DFaraday/MM pairing. A teammate trying to save one of the big trains by attaching to another. A day 1 marmot lynch wouldn't be so bad, would it?

Can you name a game where you didn't think I was bad early on? I'm just wondering.

Yeah- Bullets over Broadway. I was like pretty sure you weren't bad in that one

[Matt]

Just my reading this last page, I think Polo's bad. Haha. Okay, enough procrastinating, catch up time!!!! Woot!

[Scotty]

Still haven't read the thread. Who's bad, Dom?

Maybe ika. Maybe BWT. Maybe you!

Maybe. But ika and BWT are drawing the heat currently? I should prolly catch up. So many pages tho

Are you bad, Matt?

No, I wouldn't say ika is drawing heat. I'd say Ika is the radiator. BWT is because he contradicted himself when discussing a suspicion of me and then speculated that if I'm bad then DF is my teammate. He said, therefore, we should lynch DFaraday.

I guess what I'm tryin to say is: Metalmarsh

I could very well see a Dom or DFaraday/MM pairing. A teammate trying to save one of the big trains by attaching to another. A day 1 marmot lynch wouldn't be so bad, would it?

Can you name a game where you didn't think I was bad early on? I'm just wondering.

Yeah- Bullets over Broadway. I was like pretty sure you weren't bad in that one

To be fair, I'm not voting for you right now.

[Dom]

That's also true.

[Scotty]

Hey Matt, want to CFD Epi? Think of how happy that would make him!

It would flip his frown upside down into an even bigger frown.

[Marmot]

You don't have to talk about your thoughts on the trains, it's just the absence of mentioning them at all and attaching yourself to bwt for posting in succession, of all things, seemed like a thin reason and convenient attempt to start another wagon.

Your explanation here about not voting Ddaraday is welcomed here in the manor, but I'm not sated unfortunately. It just seems convenient is all.

It wasn't just the succession of posts, as I explained already. It was the content of the posts and the change in opinion between two them. I had to quote and explain them in different posts than my vote because I was on my phone at that moment.

Also, what are you doing in the manor? I'm chillin' in the garden.

[Marmot]

Just my reading this last page, I think Polo's bad. Haha. Okay, enough procrastinating, catch up time!!!! Woot!

Just saying this now. If Matt is still suspicious of Polo on Day 5, we are definitely lynching Matt, no ifs, ands, or buts.

[Marmot]

I think that It is too early to tell for Dom and DFaraday. I lean scum on Dom, but having 4 people outright vote him is either a bullseye by town or a huge mistake.

im curious about bwt. My gut tells me he could be bad (yes I see that you are voting him) but I need a reminder: was he bad in "A World Reborn"? He was NK'd n1 I remember, and he is acting differently this game I feel.

Rather difficult for us townies hit a bullseye when the first night phase hasn't ended yet. Well, it happened in EST Mafia Heist, and we killed the Godfather on day 1, but that was a strike of luck, really.

We have 16 civs, including upper and lower house. Cora Crawley has the power to detect whether a line is true or false each night. I suggest everyone should post the line "I am a civilian". Whoever refuses to do that must be subject to scrutiny from us townies (maybe from the mafia too but in that case they'd be pretending to be town just to remove their butts from the danger zone). Lady Cora should then try and check those lines and hopefully detect one mafioso, though her chances of discovering a mafioso on the first night are:

a) 16,67%, in case we accidentally (or not, if the mafia succeeds in getting civs on a bandwagon) lynch a civillian/doctor;
b) 11,11%, in case we successfully murder one of the bad guys.

TL;DR: Post "I am a civilian" if you don't want to get your ass lynched. The doctor should ignore this and try to keep a low profile.

I counted 17.

Also, did I misunderstand? Did you tell everybody to post "I am a civilian" except for the doctor?

[ika]

I don't have a set time when I get reads, they happen when they happen. How quickly I get a read on someone does not have much to do with me and more to do with how well I have learned to read them or what their tells are for me. So there is no hard and fast time. Additionally, what I mean by slow starter is that I post less early in a game and slowly ramp it up over the course of the game as I get my footing more.

Fair enough

The highlighted portion is my exact point against you right now. You have some kind of baseline that you think is what people should measure up against, thereby implying that it is the "right" way to play that you can always measure people against. I recommend that when this game is over you reconsider this, because I know at least in my case it is failing you.

ill answer this independetly

Finally, what you feel doesn't change the truth. I commented on the only thing I felt worth commenting on, I didn't have any other thoughts at that point. Think or feel what you like about it, it doesn't change my alignment.

understandable, i dont knwo any meta or how you play so its not too far fetched for me to be supiscions of it.

I think you are civ because you are not behaving the same way as you did in Turf Wars. I feel less strongly about Silverwolf but you seem to think she is civ. lets logic it out shall we?

If you were bad and she was not on your team, you would say you believed she was civ because you know she is.

If you were good and believed she was civ, you would say she is because that is your honest read of her.

If you were good and believed she was bad, you would say that because you take pride in the fact you can read her well and you want to solve the game.

If you were bad and she were bad, you would likely call her civ to protect her.

Based on your actions, I believe you to be civ. You have read her civ at this point, so my conclusion is you honestly believe her to be civ. at the moment I am willing to trust you are correct based on your knowledge of her.

what diffrences do you see between me here and truf wars?

This doesn't mean I give you both a free pass for the remainder of the game, this is just my thinking on the two of you at this point in time. I can also acknowledge that she might be fooling you or you might be fooling me. But it's early and the way I feel about you now is what will affect my vote today. Who knows what might change my mind tomorrow.

I knwo and i would expect as much form jsut about anyone. if you jsut let it go all game i would of called you scum for it.

P.S. Bravo on evoking this much out of me on Day 1. This is not the norm.

good, im glad i got it

P.P.S. For my best Mafia performance see Death Note. For a civ performance see maybe The Hobbit? I dunno that these will tell you much though. Death Note was not a conventional game and I've never won as civ yet. But mafia tends to win here at TS so that's not all that surprising.

I will, i dont need "best" either if you have more let me know.