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triceratopzeuhl:
triceratopzeuhl wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:triceratopzeuhl:
In your first post you acknowledged the quick beginnings of the baddie hunting in this game with what looked like an air of approval. Your content since though has been about the POE strategic discussion. Do you derive any reads from that?
Just impressed with the gusto from some people even if it might be mostly hot air. I can't tell much on day 0 and I seriously doubt anybody else can, no matter what they claim. We don't even have a lynch vote today, no night actions have happened, there isn't even a semi-nonsensical day 0 poll like some hosts like to do (MP comes to mind). At best one of the over-enthused paragraphs here will sound funny & gather suspicion - but who is more likely to be theorycrafting and looking for a winning strategy for the civs, goodies or baddies? Baddies benefit more from not directing attention at themselves.
Anyway, if alex is going to be posting his rainbow list here instead of keeping his reads private, it will if nothing else provide fodder for discussion
I liked this one at the time and still think it's a decent look. He speaks honestly of his own perceived inability to do much with Day 0 content and also suggests most of it is hot air -- but he also is positive in his assessments of players who are producing that hot air. He respects the effort even if he doesn't have much faith in it, and he doesn't promote easy tinfoil against those people giving an effort.
triceratopzeuhl wrote:so has epignosis decided he just doesn't want to contribute at all this game, or is he planning on eventually making discussion-related posts with every word capitalized?
I wasn't thrilled with the Epi wagon of Day 1, but trice was the exception. To suspect Epi purely for his posting gimmick does not evidence a thorough hunting mindset, in my opinion, in people who know the guy. That's where trice is a bit different: he hasn't been around here in a long time, and I don't know what his prior experience playing with Epi is if any. If it's limited, that means his first exposure to the Mafia player Epignosis is in this game, and I think it's more understandable in that context to be perturbed. I don't know that I qualified this though:
trice: prior to this game, how much experience have you had playing with Epignosis?
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http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 21#p313921]I do note here that trice's read on MP appeared to sour some. "Low noise-to-post ratio" is distinctly accusatory, so the prior mindset of acceptance seems to have faded. Is this accurate, trice, and if so why?
triceratopzeuhl wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I am less thrilled with the Epi wagon. It seems lazy or worse to get through this thick pile of posts from Day 0 to now and arrive there. I also think "hiding behind a gimmick/roleplay" is a weak accusation that comes from baddies more often ghan the average accusation.
I've been criticized for this opinion before but I don't think lynching people who are purposely being useless is a terrible choice, even if they flip town.
This is a bold statement. He didn't seem to care about inviting scrutiny upon himself for suggesting there's ever a time when a mislynch isn't a big deal. This is relatable to me since I do think there are such instances. In this case though I would question whether this assessment should fairly be applied to Epignosis -- even in the gimmick there's at least a visible trend of relevant content in his posts.
triceratopzeuhl wrote:I initially misread and thought that boomslang was talking about the day 1 lynch there, and was confused because he voted for MM not for timmer.
Noticing now that that was from day 2, you're right that it's a completely nonsense attempt at logic. How does voting for timmer give info on MM? Especially given that yesterday, his reason for voting MM was that he thought timmer was good and that MM was wrongly accusing timmer:
Boomslang wrote:Been out all Saturday. Alas. But the thing that pinged me most all day was MM jumping down my/timmer's throat for a timing thing that would've been way too clumsy for baddie move. Voting there.
One possible reason I can see for boomslang to vote timmer is if they are teammates, he knows timmer is unlikely to lynched, and wants to dissociate with him. The only thing that has me second guessing is that there is at least 1 civ BTSC pair.
any chance of boomslang commenting before the lynch poll ends?
linki - epi - what do you think the reason behind boomslang's vote today is then?
One trend brewing in trice's posts that isn't ideal is a penchant for snatching easy critical opportunities. Epi's gimmick, MP's post count, and now Boomslang's weird vote snafu. This trend progressed with trice's animosity toward A Person. That is something trice needs to answer for.
Trice: do you feel you've done sufficient critical thinking each day phase to judge both the town and the anti-town motives for the players you've suspected?
triceratopzeuhl wrote:I have to say, if boomslang "wins" (loses) the lynch vote and turns out to be part of a civ btsc pair I'm gonna be pissed. But I still think it's a compelling case against him (and I DON'T think "that would have been a terrible move for baddie boomslang" is a counterargument, nobody plays perfectly all the time)
Yellow: Trice made it clear he was at least considering the possibility of civilian BTSC for Boomslang, and whether that's true or not it would figure to represent a significant roadblock in his conviction to maintain that vote.
Orange: This isn't my favorite rationale either. I would agree that nobody plays perfectly all the time, but that doesn't mean we should ignore arguments about the sensibility of certain proposed baddie maneuvers. Sometimes they genuinely do make too little sense for a case to be compelling. There's WIFOM in that, but as an old friend used to say: WIFOM is true until it isn't.
triceratopzeuhl wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:triceratopzeuhl wrote:What if, e.g., Sunshine + Gasoline's secret is that night powers targeting one will affect both of them?
Or if something in Mladic role (I believe he is probably the mafia insanifier) says "if you target one of a btsc pair it affects both of them" or something along those lines?
Possible.
Here's why I bring it up, before anybody asks:
-JJJ and golden both seem good to me
-that means if there is a civ insanifier role they maybe used their power irresponsibly last night, BUT the alternate possibility exists that there is no civ who can insanify
-I believe if Mladic's role was simply "can insanify 1 player each night" then it would be listed visibly like Storm's silence, so it must be more complicated than that
I can appreciate the effort at outside-the-box theorizing.
triceratopzeuhl wrote:Here's the complete list of players who posted during night 1 but not night 2:
A Person
scotty
A Person, Epignosis and Lorab missed the night 2 poll (though Lorab posted once and Epignosis posted 7 times). Scotty voted in it.
So in the possible situation that Alfothad's kill isn't activated yet and Moya was absent rather than getting blocked, then A Person is the only player who didn't show up in any way during night 2
However not seeing any insanified posters I'm pretty sure rockets fall must have used his power
linki mm - right, noted, there would have to be more than 1 block anyway I think
This is, perhaps ironically, a brand of hunting that I'd associate with Epignosis. Maybe you two have more in common than you think.
triceratopzeuhl wrote:triceratopzeuhl wrote:
Golden and JJJ both got insanified, we don't know for certain the alignment of insanifiers. Most popular opinion is that there is a good one and a bad one, which would mean that somebody good thinks one of those two is bad (and could be 100% wrong of course), and the other one should be either good or indy/serial killer but not mafia. No way to know which is which that I can tell.
If one of the two dies we should keep this in mind though, might be useful info
I like his continued effort to explore Golden and I relative to our
atypical Day 2. I don't exactly follow the logic here, since it seems reliant upon the unknown variable that is
hypothetical town insanifier targets an unknown Golden/JJJ. Still, in posts like this the thoughts swirling around in trice's head are almost visible to the naked eye, and that's a nice thing.
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I think the good trice stuff tends to come from the more extraneous reads/concepts he is exploring, such as his earliest treatment of the high posters and his later consideration of Golden and I. The stuff which is less ideal is the trend in which trice pursues lines of suspicion which could be called easy button or obvious.
Overall I think he looks more like a confident and at times irritated townie than a manipulative baddie.
Trice: when time permits please address some of the questions/concerns I've expressed in this compilation.