A Mafia of Unfortunate Events [END GAME]

#1001

Quin wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Quin wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Because I am not DDl's team mate
So it's not that my theory is 'bullshit'. It's that my theory is incorrect? There's a difference.
No there isnt
Yes there is. One is saying that my thought process is invalid and should be discredited, while the other is saying that it is not applicable.

No it isnt.

#1002

Bollocks and bullshit is a cover all policy

#1003

Snow Dog wrote:
Quin wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Quin wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Because I am not DDl's team mate
So it's not that my theory is 'bullshit'. It's that my theory is incorrect? There's a difference.
No there isnt
Yes there is. One is saying that my thought process is invalid and should be discredited, while the other is saying that it is not applicable.
No it isnt.

Prove it.

#1004

#1005

Quin wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Quin wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Quin wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Because I am not DDl's team mate
So it's not that my theory is 'bullshit'. It's that my theory is incorrect? There's a difference.
No there isnt
Yes there is. One is saying that my thought process is invalid and should be discredited, while the other is saying that it is not applicable.
No it isnt.
Prove it.

Another time maybe.

#1006

I will bow to Epignosis' judgement.

#1007

Snow Dog wrote:I will bow to Epignosis' judgement.

Why him?

#1008

Anyway one time I voted for ddl but now I have seen more of him I changed my mind. Anyting more that you srr in that is your fantasy.

liniki Cuz he is an Engklish teacher

#1009

Anyway I am not votging good night tossers!

#1010

I ,love you all really

#1011

Elohcin wrote:@LC, why do you think DDL is bad?

IT was a gut feeling at first... didn't like the way I saw his assertion that Golden is Civ as buddying. Then DDL tried to put forth a case to make me look bad, and I identified three separate incidents wherein he was not entirely accurate with the truth... and those inaccuracies each just happened to make me look worse if you believed them.

#1012

Snow Dog wrote:Anyway I am not votging good night tossers!

Night night Snow Dog - thanks for not voting me.

#1013

sorry for spelling typing in poor light

#1014

Snow Dog wrote:Anyway I am not votging good night tossers!

Merry Christmas Snowy!

#1015

So I have around 1,000 posts to read and no motivation to read them. What to do...

#1016

MovingPictures07 wrote:So I have around 1,000 posts to read and no motivation to read them. What to do...

You of all people should be ashamed to even post this.

#1017

Posting my intention to vote DDL per Quin's argument and Snow Dog's horrendous defense of himself.

I would much rather lynch Snow Dog and if two other players who haven't already voted were willing to do so, I'd vote for Snow Dog instead. If DDL flips town, I'm not convinced Snow is town. If Snow flips town, I'm more okay with DDL. I also don't think it's super fair to lynch Player A based on Player B putting forth a bad defense unless you're going to lynching Player B first. But I'd rather DDL go than the other players with 2 votes at this point.

#1018

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:And by "hate" I mean "live" cause it justifies my town read on DDL.
How does that work?
And I realize that you probably meant "love" and not "live", that's fine... I mean how does Snow Dog's vote reasoning justify your town read of DDL?

Do you mean that Snow Dog is so obviously wrong in his assessment that DDL must be the opposite of what he said?
More like Snow Dog's posts seem scummy. Willful OMGUS or uncooperativeness.

If Snow Dog is a wolf and is against DDL, my town read of DDL based on other things looks better.

For one, that's a big 'if', and for two, that's an even BIGGER assumption... especially in a game with two Mafia teams and a smattering of Indys.

But Quin says DDL and Snow Dog are mafia together?

Do you agree with that assessment, LC? Assume DDL flips town. What's your gut read of Snow. What if DDL flips mafia?

I did notice what Quin brought up as a teammate-connection... I noticed it when I first read it. Now that it has been discussed more, I also see that it might be too simple a conclusion to make, like Noob Mafia 101. DDL's flip will therefore have little impact on my read of Snow Dog.

I am suspicious of Snow Dog because of his drastically different playstyle. He wants to go fast and loose this game, carefree and a bit chaotic. It's a fine choice, and one that a Civ might make to survive longer (because who wants to nightkill the court jester? He's no threat...), but my other feeling is a bit stronger, that he is a baddie that wants to avoid a lynch by acting that way. It's really hard to separate truly suspicious behaviour from fun chaos behaviour. Which would be the point. It's not nearly enough for me to advocate Snow Dog's lynch though... and anyway, I owe him for our last game together, and I want to follow through on that.

I get your argument against DDL and I also get the defense of "but DDL isn't in LC's head and wastnt trying to misrepresent." My general thought is not to vote for either of you because neither argument against the other is that convincing but I'm willing to listen to a restatement/rebuke of arguments if you want to be more convincing.

I might just do that. The thread is moving faster right now though, and I want to stay current... so we'll see.

#1019

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Posting my intention to vote DDL per Quin's argument and Snow Dog's horrendous defense of himself.

That really surprises me a lot, after the post of yours which I just quoted above... which states that your town read of DDL just got townier.

#1020

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:So I have around 1,000 posts to read and no motivation to read them. What to do...
You of all people should be ashamed to even post this.

Why? I've been preoccupied, and I wasn't going to spend my only week all year spending time with my family and friends in person playing mafia.

I can't help that the deadline ends on Christmas evening. I'll be properly engaged going forward, but this unfortunate timing makes another cycle wherein I don't have the time or motivation to read to make any semblance of an informed decision.

#1021

Someone convince me whom to vote for. What's out there?

#1022

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Suuuuuper unconvinced by Snow's defense.

"Your accusation is bullshit cause it's not true and btw, I'm not gonna defend myself."

Lol okay.

Are we even allowed to alignment claim?

Nope

#1023

I don't know that what you just saw about Snow Dog could be considered a defense, but there you are.

#1024

sig wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Suuuuuper unconvinced by Snow's defense.

"Your accusation is bullshit cause it's not true and btw, I'm not gonna defend myself."

Lol okay.

Are we even allowed to alignment claim?
Nope

Since when is alignment claiming not allowed? Pretty sure people say "I'm town" all the time in games around here.

Role claiming is what's typically disallowed.

Ignore me though if there's something I'm missing due to not having read the thread yet.

#1025

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:So I have around 1,000 posts to read and no motivation to read them. What to do...
You of all people should be ashamed to even post this.
Why? I've been preoccupied, and I wasn't going to spend my only week all year spending time with my family and friends in person playing mafia.

I can't help that the deadline ends on Christmas evening. I'll be properly engaged going forward, but this unfortunate timing makes another cycle wherein I don't have the time or motivation to read to make any semblance of an informed decision.

My meaning is that you have no room to complain about 1,000 posts.

#1026

What's the case against Snow Dog?

#1027

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:So I have around 1,000 posts to read and no motivation to read them. What to do...
You of all people should be ashamed to even post this.
Why? I've been preoccupied, and I wasn't going to spend my only week all year spending time with my family and friends in person playing mafia.

I can't help that the deadline ends on Christmas evening. I'll be properly engaged going forward, but this unfortunate timing makes another cycle wherein I don't have the time or motivation to read to make any semblance of an informed decision.
My meaning is that you have no room to complain about 1,000 posts.

I'm not complaining.

#1028

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:So I have around 1,000 posts to read and no motivation to read them. What to do...
You of all people should be ashamed to even post this.
Why? I've been preoccupied, and I wasn't going to spend my only week all year spending time with my family and friends in person playing mafia.

I can't help that the deadline ends on Christmas evening. I'll be properly engaged going forward, but this unfortunate timing makes another cycle wherein I don't have the time or motivation to read to make any semblance of an informed decision.

lol, this is funny and very ironic. :P

Is Snow Dog really drunk or faking it?

@Quin, Dom voted for me for no good reason and voting for me is mean. :shrug2

linki: Nvm, I'm confusing alignment claiming with role claiming.

#1029

MovingPictures07 wrote:Someone convince me whom to vote for. What's out there?

Vote anyone but DDL.

I dislike LC's switcheroo on him, and I'm gonna call it an OMGUS, despite Con's claims to the contrary.

I cannot believe that JoH honestly thinks lynching DDL will somehow hurt Snow Dog, for some reason?

I see no logic in that.

#1030

Why should I trust you, Epi? What are your current suspects and townreads and why?

#1031

sig wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:So I have around 1,000 posts to read and no motivation to read them. What to do...
You of all people should be ashamed to even post this.
Why? I've been preoccupied, and I wasn't going to spend my only week all year spending time with my family and friends in person playing mafia.

I can't help that the deadline ends on Christmas evening. I'll be properly engaged going forward, but this unfortunate timing makes another cycle wherein I don't have the time or motivation to read to make any semblance of an informed decision.
lol, this is funny and very ironic. :P

Is Snow Dog really drunk or faking it?

@Quin, Dom voted for me for no good reason and voting for me is mean. :shrug2

linki: Nvm, I'm confusing alignment claiming with role claiming.

I can't post in supatown MP mode all the time even if I'd like to, and this game started at a bad time. I'm resigned to doing what I can with the limited time that I have. Hopefully I can read during N2 and D3.

Why would Snow Dog fake being drunk?

What's your read of Dom?

#1032

MovingPictures07 wrote:What's the case against Snow Dog?

People don't like that he's taking the piss (which here means making jokes at the expense of other) and Quin thinks DDL and Snow Dog are teammates on the flimsiest of evidence.

#1033

insertnamehere wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Someone convince me whom to vote for. What's out there?
Vote anyone but DDL.

I dislike LC's switcheroo on him, and I'm gonna call it an OMGUS, despite Con's claims to the contrary.

I cannot believe that JoH honestly thinks lynching DDL will somehow hurt Snow Dog, for some reason?

I see no logic in that.

So you're townreading DDL, but otherwise don't have any strong feelings on anyone? Correct me if I'm wrong. What do you think of LC and JoH re: alignment?

#1034

sig wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:So I have around 1,000 posts to read and no motivation to read them. What to do...
You of all people should be ashamed to even post this.
Why? I've been preoccupied, and I wasn't going to spend my only week all year spending time with my family and friends in person playing mafia.

I can't help that the deadline ends on Christmas evening. I'll be properly engaged going forward, but this unfortunate timing makes another cycle wherein I don't have the time or motivation to read to make any semblance of an informed decision.
lol, this is funny and very ironic. :P

Is Snow Dog really drunk or faking it?

@Quin, Dom voted for me for no good reason and voting for me is mean. :shrug2

linki: Nvm, I'm confusing alignment claiming with role claiming.

That's drunk Snow Dog. He's Welsh, for God's sake, and it's Christmas and now like after midnight over there.

#1035

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why should I trust you, Epi? What are your current suspects and townreads and why?

You should never trust me except for when you should.

If you read the thread, you'll find my positions on many people.

#1036

Speaking of taking the piss, excuse me a moment.

#1037

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:What's the case against Snow Dog?
People don't like that he's taking the piss (which here means making jokes at the expense of other) and Quin thinks DDL and Snow Dog are teammates on the flimsiest of evidence.

I'm lost regarding the first half.

What do you think of Quin?

#1038

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Why should I trust you, Epi? What are your current suspects and townreads and why?
You should never trust me except for when you should.

If you read the thread, you'll find my positions on many people.

That's the most convincing thing I've ever heard.

That's fair enough, and I have every intention of reading the thread in due time, but I don't have the time to read 1,000 posts properly, absorb the information, and make reads in a quick enough fashion to cast an informed d2 vote, so I'm trying my best by conversing with folks over the next 15 minutes or so and then casting as informed of a vote as I can.

So inform me quickly. Where are you casting your vote and why? Where should I consider casting my vote? Where shouldn't I?

#1039

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Why should I trust you, Epi? What are your current suspects and townreads and why?
You should never trust me except for when you should.

If you read the thread, you'll find my positions on many people.
That's the most convincing thing I've ever heard.

That's fair enough, and I have every intention of reading the thread in due time, but I don't have the time to read 1,000 posts properly, absorb the information, and make reads in a quick enough fashion to cast an informed d2 vote, so I'm trying my best by conversing with folks over the next 15 minutes or so and then casting as informed of a vote as I can.

So inform me quickly. Where are you casting your vote and why? Where should I consider casting my vote? Where shouldn't I?

Le sigh.

Epignosis wrote:The only person with more than one vote I'm even entertaining voting for right now is sprityo. I am considering a vote for Quin, or any of the four people voting sig or Long Con.

#1040

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Why should I trust you, Epi? What are your current suspects and townreads and why?
You should never trust me except for when you should.

If you read the thread, you'll find my positions on many people.
That's the most convincing thing I've ever heard.

That's fair enough, and I have every intention of reading the thread in due time, but I don't have the time to read 1,000 posts properly, absorb the information, and make reads in a quick enough fashion to cast an informed d2 vote, so I'm trying my best by conversing with folks over the next 15 minutes or so and then casting as informed of a vote as I can.

So inform me quickly. Where are you casting your vote and why? Where should I consider casting my vote? Where shouldn't I?
Le sigh.

Epignosis wrote:The only person with more than one vote I'm even entertaining voting for right now is sprityo. I am considering a vote for Quin, or any of the four people voting sig or Long Con.

I understand the frustration. I realize it's ironic. I'm trying to do what I can with what time I have.

Should I quickly glance at their ISOs? Maybe I should. I think I'll do that and let you know what I see from an uneducated perspective.

#1041

Epi, can I take this to mean you lean civ on LC? Can you give me an idea why because I really want to believe he is, but I'm having a hard time believing it.

#1042

Of course, I had to fiirst pick the guy that was lynched and then replaced back in.

Who did sprityo replace?

#1043

Must have been Glorf. Disregard.

#1044

Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, can I take this to mean you lean civ on LC? Can you give me an idea why because I really want to believe he is, but I'm having a hard time believing it.

What is giving you a hard time?

#1045

I don't like that sprityo 2.0's first handful of posts of any game-related content are all a combination of salt over his 1.0 self dying and discussing his former self rather than attempting to generate reads on anyone. I'd say that's a bad look.

#1046

Dom wrote:
sig wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
sig wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
sig wrote:hm Glorf replaced out, that is interesting.
What do you make of it?
:
I think it could mean Sprityo is mafia, in fact I'd be willing to lynch on it. Glorf was alreayd a suspect of mine, for not giving reads not talking much and a general gut read. Two things to know about Glorf is he hates lying, even in a game he won't do it and he hates being mafia. His refusal to answer the good/bad question was a tip off, he wouldn't lie about it, he'd just not say it either way. I'm thinking his BTSC mates told him that. He went with it, but hated it and asked to be replaced. Since even if he was bad, he wouldn't want to let his team down. So he replaced out since he couldn't be a mafia member and he did this soon enough that most people wouldn't consider it.

He attempted to do the same thing in Star wars mafia when he was bad as well.

So I'm voting there and I'll be voting there now, since I am 80% sure Sprityo 2.0/Glorf are mafia and that is why Glorf acted the way he did day 1 and was replaced.

I'm feeling good about the SDs and Golden. I won't be lynching Jack today since he is a civ lean, or Epi/LC since I need time to read them.
I never saw the case on MM so he won't get my vote either.
So Glorf replacing out is closely correlated with him being a baddie?
I would say yes there is a correlation.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ?f=2&t=769

Take a look at Star Wars mafia, Glorfs first game here, he subbed out after awhile as mafia there as well. Though I will admit that was in part due to being mafia and being completely overwhelmed, while I don't think i've ever seen a civ Glorf sub out, not even when he is being harassed and bothered.

Finally I'd say im being replaced just assured me of my read, I'd say I can gut read some players rather well, Glorf being one of them and he was pinging me from his first post. Furthermore when he wouldn't give me reads, something he does often regardless of alignment, but much more as mafia.
Voting sig for this contradiction despite me suspecting glorf.
Hedging.
Not making assertive claims.

Is this not a reason for voting you, sig?

#1047

It's alright MP I'll replace you if I get lynched two days in a row

:Noble:

#1048

Long Con wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Posting my intention to vote DDL per Quin's argument and Snow Dog's horrendous defense of himself.
That really surprises me a lot, after the post of yours which I just quoted above... which states that your town read of DDL just got townier.

It wasn't that strong of a town read on DDL.

And yeah, even if DDL and Snow are likely not on a team (my previous thought) and not likely are on a team (where I'm trending to but not 100% sold on), it doesn't mean Snow being mafia makes DDL not mafia. It just makes it more likely.

I'm much more sold on Snow = bad because no defense, not being helpful or scumhunting and the possible connection with DDL than

DDL = bad because of a possible connection with Snow and misrep of LC plus pinging others

But that second one is better than Gloryo = bad cause replacement, Sig = bad cause his case on Gloryo is reaching or LC is bad cause not being committal enough. None of that is even slightly convincing to me.

If most people think DDL + Snow Dog = super unlikely w/w combo, I'll not go that direction. Like I said, struggling with the meta a bit and the argument that this is too obvious of a play for them or too obvious of a solution for Quin is something that I'm having to take everyone's word for as I've never played with any of them before.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Someone convince me whom to vote for. What's out there?

Snow Dog's posts in the last two pages suck.

Epignosis wrote:I don't know that what you just saw about Snow Dog could be considered a defense, but there you are.

Part of my problem with it.

#1049

Trying this part again.

And yeah, even if DDL and Snow are likely not on a team (my previous thought) instead of likely on a team (where I'm trending to but not 100% sold on), it doesn't mean Snow being mafia makes DDL not mafia. It just makes it more likely.

#1050

@MP I'm on my way home after being out ALL day, so I can throw you some stuff then

I personally wanted to look into quin and why people didn't like em, even though I think quin is pretty okay looking off the top of my head?

Who needs to practice their stabbing?