2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

[S~V~S]

And fwiw, I do know bea was actually sick, and she can be as slick as the next baddie, but I doubt she would use that as a faux excuse.

[Scotty]

Thats the kind of post I was expecting from Booms if he was good. So now I just need to decide where to move my vote.

I don't remember what you thought of bea, juliets, but my vote is now between her and Soneji.
Llama seems fairly convinced about Soneji, which could just be a spitting llama looking for grass.
Bea seems to be fairly engaging now, but still dawdling in my minds' eye. She still feels like she lacks content, and what may have happened is that she legitimately had no time over the past week to contribute and at the same time was unconsciously using it as a crutch as a baddie. I could see both scenarios.

I'm still uncertain who to vote if I am to change my vote.

Linki: I also don't think she would use it as an excuse to be indicative of her alignment, but it is convenient.

[Scotty]

Oh right and John coltrane. Golden voted there at some point.

All he did was complain about attacking low posters but not offering any other help before taking a frustrated leave from the thread. I have no idea who he finds bad

[Scotty]

Placed a vote on MetalMarsh.

It's a placeholder.

Maybe.

[Boomslang]

Well, I'm gonna go ahead and vote Soneji. I like llama's case, there are tonal and play elements I found in addition to that case that look bad to me, and I don't think we should lynch Made.

[juliets]

Thats the kind of post I was expecting from Booms if he was good. So now I just need to decide where to move my vote.

I don't remember what you thought of bea, juliets, but my vote is now between her and Soneji.
Llama seems fairly convinced about Soneji, which could just be a spitting llama looking for grass.
Bea seems to be fairly engaging now, but still dawdling in my minds' eye. She still feels like she lacks content, and what may have happened is that she legitimately had no time over the past week to contribute and at the same time was unconsciously using it as a crutch as a baddie. I could see both scenarios.

I'm still uncertain who to vote if I am to change my vote.

Linki: I also don't think she would use it as an excuse to be indicative of her alignment, but it is convenient.

When we did GTH reads I read bea as bad because of lack of suspicions including the fact that she didn't vote because even when she's at work she manages to steal away and vote on her phone. I don't think she would lie about having a cold but I'm also concerned that she has posted several times but we haven't seen any suspicions.

I'm also wary of Coltrane though. I GTH'd him as bad too. He left last night after presumably getting mad that we suspected him. He's not provided any good reads either that I can see so how is that any different from bea.

I will more than likely vote one of these two.

linki will read after

[juliets]

I'm going to go ahead and move my vote to Coltrane and then see what happens from here.

[Akemi Homura]

As was the case with Macdougall yesterday, I don't agree with all of the elements of the Soneji case, but that does not mean I read him as town. I won't fight against the idea of lynching him, but at the moment I don't necessarily support it either.
I read Metalmarsh as town. I don't want to lynch him.
Made and Bea remain my top two choices, but I would also be willing to consider John Coltrane if he becomes a popular target.

[Echo]

I'm here for a bit, mostly (and, unfortunately, skimming, as I meant to read more last night since I knew I'd be busy this evening).

I have moved away from Coltrane but he does only have 3 posts as someone just pointed out and in his last post he seemed angry and then gave up. I'm not wild about that but I guess it doesn't mean he's bad.

Sorry for not responding right away, juliets - I was irritated last night and needed to step away. I'll respond to this:

John, it would be helpful to me if you would just remind me of what things you said in the main thread. You're right that low contribution doesn't mean no contribution it's just that nothing stands out to me. So maybe just a short synopsis of what your suspicions or thoughts were would be helpful. Thanks.

And wow, it's a lot harder to remember even my own posts from a thread I can't check. Basically, I threw out three suspicions: Mac, sig, and Epi as a tinfoil because I believed him to be steering the thread. Now that Epi's been NK'ed, I wish I could look back more at who exactly I saw being steered and voting every which way he went. I eventually settled on Mac because I liked the meta argument more than anything else, knowing I'd be last on the train.

Someone said my vote was a "useless" vote at the end of a train, but I would disagree, for sure - we don't know about manipulations or anything of the sort, so having a large majority lead on one person is helpful. Also, I'd be called out whether or not I voted Mac (at the end of a train or on sig instead), so there's that. But I digress.

Here's what I like so far being said in this thread:

1) I find Scotty's comments on Prisoner regarding his/her disinterest in The Process compelling if, indeed, there is a Process role. The Process would be one to say that Cheerleader is not much to be looked at at this moment Then again, I can also empathize with Prisoner's sentiments - I'm almost always inclined to ignore the "buzzing" of these random additions. Then again (yes, again), it IS the GoC, so this is less likely to be an annoyance and more likely to be something not to ignore.

2) This:

Because you guys are following Golden's vote around, you being the primary one.

Question to everyone on the beach: who would you lynch if everyone was on the poll and not just the Sand-Surfers?

I'd probably still go with Sig, but I'm increasingly comfortable with my vote for Soneji.

Does it make a difference to you that Soneji voted for sig on Day 1?

Linki: I'll read you later.

Easy distancing perhaps? People voting for each other in a thread with changeable votes doesn't mean much for gauging connection.

Linki @Prisoner. OK.

I have said what she did, but am happy to do so again. In the other thread, she made one big post where she said she felt Made and Wilgy were getting a bad rap. She did this without pointing fingers at anyone who might be giving them a bad rap, though. Then she wrote several sentences saying nothing, and said that she felt OK about me, LC and (???). "Same old same old" kind of thing. No negative opinions, or even remotely critical, about anyone. Bea and I have a long history. I want to know where she is at. So far I am not sure she is at the same place I am. I am not sure she has expressed even one remote suspect. Bea is always polite, but Bea does not shrink from speaking her mind, even if it is in a very passive way.

Bea is a huge question mark for me.

Poor bea has been sick, but this reminds me of another game (for the life of me, I can't remember, nor do I really want to look for/reveal in order not to risk my identity being more obvious ), but the last game I played with her, this is the same sort of behavior she exhibited when bad - not offering much solid opinion. It's always hard to vote bea, since she's just so friggin' nice. But I'm most compelled in that direction today, mostly because I'm tired and was thinking about voting her for these reasons earlier today, anyway.

3) Also this:

Is there more to the Soneji case than his denouncement of meta-analysis? Because I can't vote for him if that's it.

There's a little more to it. I initially noticed Soneji for his avoidance of mentioning Macdougall, even when he was the central topic of discussion. The meta comment combined with that observation to form my suspicion, as I think baddies often forget to talk about one another.

Same reason for bea, same reason to look at Prisoner (except this is more compelling, as Macdougall is confirmed baddie. Avoidance. May also vote here.

Other thoughts:

1) Perhaps Golden keeps changing his vote in order to get discussion going on those people, rather than actually placing the vote? Since he appears to be silenced? I kinda wish I'd been around in real time to see his switches, but y'all are doing a good job of commenting when he moves, so...

Okay, actually, I keep seeing linki and want to post, and also I see votes. This is the first free moment I've had all day, so sorry for the delay! Gonna put the vote on Soneji at this time.

[Akemi Homura]

John Coltrane was already a distant third behind Bea and Made, and I like the tone of that post. It'll take something really big to sway me onto him now.

[S~V~S]

Now see, this is the kind of post I remembered that you made in the other thread, Coltrane.

We have a guy who plays here. He is a straight shooter, but he is famously blendy, good or bad. But when he does say something it's well thought out. You remind me of him.

Won't be voting for you.

[juliets]

John, thank you for your post, I feel better about you now.

I'm interested in the Soneji votes. Maybe my meta analysis on him was off as so many of you are seeing a baddie soneji. I really thought his "meta as a crutch post" came in the middle of the Mac lynch and not after a Golden post but I have no way to see that. I won't argue against a lynch there since there are obviously some strong feelings about it.

S~V~S - how are you feeling about bea's posts? I wish she had named some suspicions in the times she has posted today.

[Made]

Gth for other group per request of juliets
Civvie: DH, LC trimmer wilgy
Baddie: br sig professor Sorsha Floyd and lorab

Svs- I don't think you're silly, I think you're one of the best players on this site. That said, while weird, I'd argue that memory has little to say about allighnment. I hope we agree to disagree at least on that point.

Scotty- I just felt at that moment you could of gotten a few votes, I really don't have a reason other than gut. I thought the thread night 0 was heading that direction

[Made]

But out of my room ATM getting food, when I return will say things more relevant to today

[juliets]

Donna Meagle I see you voted for bea without explaining. Could you tell us why you voted for her?

[Akemi Homura]

Gth for other group per request of juliets
Civvie: DH, LC trimmer wilgy
Baddie: br sig professor Sorsha Floyd and lorab

Svs- I don't think you're silly, I think you're one of the best players on this site. That said, while weird, I'd argue that memory has little to say about allighnment. I hope we agree to disagree at least on that point.

Scotty- I just felt at that moment you could of gotten a few votes, I really don't have a reason other than gut. I thought the thread night 0 was heading that direction

Why is LoRab a baddie read? What is Quin?

[Made]

Gth for other group per request of juliets
Civvie: DH, LC trimmer wilgy
Baddie: br sig professor Sorsha Floyd and lorab

Svs- I don't think you're silly, I think you're one of the best players on this site. That said, while weird, I'd argue that memory has little to say about allighnment. I hope we agree to disagree at least on that point.

Scotty- I just felt at that moment you could of gotten a few votes, I really don't have a reason other than gut. I thought the thread night 0 was heading that direction

Why is LoRab a baddie read? What is Quin?

Lorab Read mad blendy, quin is civ, thought I typed that but regardless, yeah.

[S~V~S]

Gth for other group per request of juliets
Civvie: DH, LC trimmer wilgy
Baddie: br sig professor Sorsha Floyd and lorab

Svs- I don't think you're silly, I think you're one of the best players on this site. That said, while weird, I'd argue that memory has little to say about allighnment. I hope we agree to disagree at least on that point.

Scotty- I just felt at that moment you could of gotten a few votes, I really don't have a reason other than gut. I thought the thread night 0 was heading that direction

Thank You

You are missing my point though. I don't suspect your memory, I question whether it IS your memory, especially since you then happened to have another window with the other thread open in a browser. Although to be fair, I don't see why the hosts would allow baddies to have continued access to the other thread, so there is that.

[S~V~S]

Gotta eat, gotta shovel. Will be back to make a final vote.

[Akemi Homura]

Made, you still have not addressed my two biggest questions about you: this post and this post. I can't move my vote until you address these things, unfortunately.

[Made]

For what it's worth...arguably nothing...Donnie is my top suspect in thread atm.

linki- Answered one of these, and part of the other here

Gth for other group per request of juliets
Civvie: DH, LC trimmer wilgy
Baddie: br sig professor Sorsha Floyd and lorab

Svs- I don't think you're silly, I think you're one of the best players on this site. That said, while weird, I'd argue that memory has little to say about allighnment. I hope we agree to disagree at least on that point.

Scotty- I just felt at that moment you could of gotten a few votes, I really don't have a reason other than gut. I thought the thread night 0 was heading that direction

The flaw in the logic imo is the following:
if everyone has 20 candies and of those 20, ten of them are are sour, if you pick ten out of the bag and none of them are sour, you can't conclude the bag has no sour candy.
To conclude that I'm bad because I pulled 2 sour candies but other people pulled 4 out of a random bag doesn't say anything about how many candies are in either my bag nor everyone else's.
for the record, I love sour candy, I don't, however, love when sour candies start killing people.

[juliets]

2) This:

Because you guys are following Golden's vote around, you being the primary one.

Question to everyone on the beach: who would you lynch if everyone was on the poll and not just the Sand-Surfers?

I'd probably still go with Sig, but I'm increasingly comfortable with my vote for Soneji.

Does it make a difference to you that Soneji voted for sig on Day 1?

Linki: I'll read you later.

Easy distancing perhaps? People voting for each other in a thread with changeable votes doesn't mean much for gauging connection.

Linki @Prisoner. OK.

I have said what she did, but am happy to do so again. In the other thread, she made one big post where she said she felt Made and Wilgy were getting a bad rap. She did this without pointing fingers at anyone who might be giving them a bad rap, though. Then she wrote several sentences saying nothing, and said that she felt OK about me, LC and (???). "Same old same old" kind of thing. No negative opinions, or even remotely critical, about anyone. Bea and I have a long history. I want to know where she is at. So far I am not sure she is at the same place I am. I am not sure she has expressed even one remote suspect. Bea is always polite, but Bea does not shrink from speaking her mind, even if it is in a very passive way.

Bea is a huge question mark for me.

Poor bea has been sick, but this reminds me of another game (for the life of me, I can't remember, nor do I really want to look for/reveal in order not to risk my identity being more obvious ), but the last game I played with her, this is the same sort of behavior she exhibited when bad - not offering much solid opinion. It's always hard to vote bea, since she's just so friggin' nice. But I'm most compelled in that direction today, mostly because I'm tired and was thinking about voting her for these reasons earlier today, anyway.

This ^ explains well how I feel about bea. Poor thing, she is sick, I truly believe that. But I also believe she doesn't offer much solid when she is bad. So I'm really torn about whether to vote her.

Llama's case on Soneji seems the most solid out of anything so far. Omitting the lynchee from discussion while questioning the judgment used to lynch him is textbook indirect mafia support. I also don't like Soneji quickly jumping to "You didn't see me defend Mac, did you?" when talking about his distrust of meta. That seemed to me to be ahead of llama's questioning. Doth protest too much. And whoa, Soneji saying "As for a GTH, everyone is bad in my eyes until they flip otherwise" is just a tremendous cop-out of responsibility. Could at least say he didn't have time or just ignore the request altogether. And there's some snarky sarcasm that doesn't read right.

And this point that I underlined about Soneji is something I didn't fully consider. It is a cop out, damn right Boomslang. That's just as bad as bea only being able to name people she likes - it's the exact opposite but in my mind the same principle. Soneji if you come back into the thread I would like to see your reads on everyone. I think the rest of us except for bea (and maybe Donna) have done that (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

So, it looks like we have a three way tie right now if Cheerleader's vote really counts. My lean is toward bea or Soneji.

[Marmot]

Placed a vote on MetalMarsh.

It's a placeholder.

Maybe.

Hehe sorry about that.

I'm voting for bea. Boomslang's entrance was phenomenal, and I like his point on bea.

[Thundercat]

There was a time when I thought Donna Meagle was Mongoose. That time has passed (thanks for posting in another thread hun).

:whistle:

This is the post that sounded disingenuous to me. You haven't posted that much yet you say you don't remember the post in question. First you say you wrote something about him, then you say maybe it was a response to something he said. It just seemed to me you would remember better than this.

I realize it's just one post but it just gave me a bad feeling. My baddie read was not a strong baddie read but in GTH you have to pick a side.

i wrote something about llama in the other thread it might have just been a response to something he said.

i think i agreed with him.

idk i'm peeved i can't go back and read the other thread.

Juliets I actually have a few questions in regard to this:

You say I should remember, but admit you don't remember many things here.

Spoiler: show

before I forgot, this isn't true. Surprised llama didn't point this out actually because he's the one i'm quoting.
According to a post from night one he made,
the players who mac talked to that day or quoted by name that day were Golden, priz, Wilgy, DH, Boom, Quin, Sig, Epi, MM, llama, juliets, me, LC, BR, John Coltrane, and Sorsha. The players who talked about or quoted mac by name were Priz, Quin, Epi, Mm, llama, juliets, Professor, BR, LC, Myself, Wilgy, Golden, Scotty, Sig, DH, Boom, John Colltrane, Sorsha, and Lorab

The players who neither talked about nor talk to him bea. bwt, Soneji, Floyd, and timmer

Source: this happened to be on the one page i had open in another tab.

Thanks for digging up that list, Made. I needed a refresher on it. The fact that Bea was on the "no interaction" list is one of the reasons I am more willing to lynch her than I am Boomslang, for example. Until now I have been giving her the benefit of the doubt because of her illness, but my patience for non-contributors is running out.

Does anyone recall what Booms said about Mac? I only remember him randomizing among the Mac voters as opposed to saying anything about Mac. My memory is not the best after two days. I do agree llama I am out of patience with the non-contributors.

So, why am I expected to remember everything, but you aren't?

I think I agreed with his analysis on sig.
You're asking for a response, but I don't really know what there is to say about what you've pointed out?

Same with you Donna. Let's get some input!!!

I don't like doing GTH's or Rainbows, but I'll share some thoughts now that i'm here.


I don't think I trust bea very much. I don't think bea would make up fake excuses, but I don't like her tone in responding to SVS who is her friend. It seems manipulative to me.

I am questioning juliets who thinks I should remember everything, but openly admits her memory is "not the best".

Donna Meagle I see you voted for bea without explaining. Could you tell us why you voted for her?

Doesn't the poll end like 10 minutes ago?
I voted for someone I mildly suspect and really am having a hard time finding my footing in this game. So I made it a three way tie.

[Made]

Llama's case on Soneji seems the most solid out of anything so far. Omitting the lynchee from discussion while questioning the judgment used to lynch him is textbook indirect mafia support. I also don't like Soneji quickly jumping to "You didn't see me defend Mac, did you?" when talking about his distrust of meta. That seemed to me to be ahead of llama's questioning. Doth protest too much. And whoa, Soneji saying "As for a GTH, everyone is bad in my eyes until they flip otherwise" is just a tremendous cop-out of responsibility. Could at least say he didn't have time or just ignore the request altogether. And there's some snarky sarcasm that doesn't read right.

The tone reads consistent through Soneji's post. Regardless, this is kinda big. I can think of reasons not to give reads, Soneji, but what are yours? Do you actually think everyone in here is bad?

linki- polls ends at like 8 EST

[Made]

also, everyone but bea has voted so far--a whole two hours before the lynch. That participation tho.

[juliets]

Donna, my point about your memory is you did not post much in the other thread and I would expect you to remember if you had a post with llama's name in it whether you suspected him or were responding to him. I remember a lot of things from the other thread though not everything. I certainly remember who I suspected and I would expect you to too.

[Akemi Homura]

Voting for Bea. I'd at least like to see how Made pursues the 6 additional suspects he just named when our threads remerge.

[juliets]

I have to go start dinner. For the moment I'm going to change my vote to bea. If she comes back with some solid baddie reads I may very well change to soneji. The more I think about him refusing to give reads the more I don't like it.

[S~V~S]

Soneji knows how GTH works. That whole, Everyone is bad thing is weak. I feel more comfortable joining his wagon than beas, and I am feeling better about Made.I am still not sure about MM, but we have had enough content here that "not sure" is a weak excuse for a vote.

*Votes Soneji*

Linki, YES, I want to see Made accuse all those people as well

[Made]

Intuition is telling me we're not going to have access to this thread nor hatch thread come as soon as night. Save everything you can for personal use/later reads.
Baddies, tell your teammates to tell the other thread pls/thx

[juliets]

I'm back because I changed my mind. The part of Booms post I quoted re: not giving reads is sticking in my craw. I want to give bea a chance and as I said, Soneji is doing exactly the same thing only in reverse. So as wishy-washy as it makes me look, I'm changing my vote to Soneji. Now I really HAVE to start dinner.

[Akemi Homura]

Intuition is telling me we're not going to have access to this thread nor hatch thread come as soon as night. Save everything you can for personal use/later reads.
Baddies, tell your teammates to tell the other thread pls/thx

I do not think we're allowed to save things.

[Scotty]

Gah i don't wanna be a tie breaker, but I find the bea meta more convincing than the Soneji case.

They could both be bad.

Voting bea and hoping for the best

[Scotty]

Literally bea and Soneji are the only ones not on the trains. (Unless you count Cheerleader)

Just bookmarking this because the poll doesn't end for another hour and if both vote for the other, bea is lynched.

[Akemi Homura]

I think we've done a good job generating content today and I am satisfied with the conclusions we've come to, at least as we're approaching the deadline right now. I'm still here in case anything is said that might influence me off of Bea or onto Soneji, but I'm also comfortable with my vote where it is and don't object to the Soneji votes in any major way. Let's keep up this activity when we get back to a complete game, beach goers.

One question that just popped in my head now: Do we think Golden was silenced by somebody who's in here with us? It seemed most people had clued into what the poll meant, and it might make more sense for the silencer to pick somebody in their own grouping. The only reason I could think for them not to do that would be the WIFOM factor, which we can never rule out.

[bea]

Im pretty up in the air about scotty, but slightly civ is where im leaning.


And yes jc is juliets sorry.

What do you make of Boomslang's post a few minutes ago? He had something to say about you and I'd like to know what you think of that.

Sorry caught a rush at work. I dont know why boom would think it was a tanginal defense. If i went with the flow and voted him soley cuz of stiff i was uninformed about and quietness, that would ne pretty scummy dont you think? I wanted to know tue case because i wanted to know the case. Simple as that.

[Made]

I think we've done a good job generating content today and I am satisfied with the conclusions we've come to, at least as we're approaching the deadline right now. I'm still here in case anything is said that might influence me off of Bea or onto Soneji, but I'm also comfortable with my vote where it is and don't object to the Soneji votes in any major way. Let's keep up this activity when we get back to a complete game, beach goers.

One question that just popped in my head now: Do we think Golden was silenced by somebody who's in here with us? It seemed most people had clued into what the poll meant, and it might make more sense for the silencer to pick somebody in their own grouping. The only reason I could think for them not to do that would be the WIFOM factor, which we can never rule out.

well, this implies baddies knew that half were going to hatch and half were going to the beach. I know personally, i didn't put that together and figured it'd be like felt were the one that gets the most votes picks were we as a group goes.

[Akemi Homura]

I think we've done a good job generating content today and I am satisfied with the conclusions we've come to, at least as we're approaching the deadline right now. I'm still here in case anything is said that might influence me off of Bea or onto Soneji, but I'm also comfortable with my vote where it is and don't object to the Soneji votes in any major way. Let's keep up this activity when we get back to a complete game, beach goers.

One question that just popped in my head now: Do we think Golden was silenced by somebody who's in here with us? It seemed most people had clued into what the poll meant, and it might make more sense for the silencer to pick somebody in their own grouping. The only reason I could think for them not to do that would be the WIFOM factor, which we can never rule out.

well, this implies baddies knew that half were going to hatch and half were going to the beach. I know personally, i didn't put that together and figured it'd be like felt were the one that gets the most votes picks were we as a group goes.

It does. There was a bit of discussion about what the poll meant (I had no idea until others mentioned it), so I would guess that there was some level of awareness on the part of the baddies.

[The Dry Flood]

Question received privately:

Is it okay to save thread information personally so that it may be used later for paraphrasing but not posted directly as a screenshot or a quote?

Answer: Yes. Go ahead and do as you like on your own, just be mindful of what you actually post. If anyone has further questions, please ask privately. Thanks.

[Made]

I think we've done a good job generating content today and I am satisfied with the conclusions we've come to, at least as we're approaching the deadline right now. I'm still here in case anything is said that might influence me off of Bea or onto Soneji, but I'm also comfortable with my vote where it is and don't object to the Soneji votes in any major way. Let's keep up this activity when we get back to a complete game, beach goers.

One question that just popped in my head now: Do we think Golden was silenced by somebody who's in here with us? It seemed most people had clued into what the poll meant, and it might make more sense for the silencer to pick somebody in their own grouping. The only reason I could think for them not to do that would be the WIFOM factor, which we can never rule out.

well, this implies baddies knew that half were going to hatch and half were going to the beach. I know personally, i didn't put that together and figured it'd be like felt were the one that gets the most votes picks were we as a group goes.

It does. There was a bit of discussion about what the poll meant (I had no idea until others mentioned it), so I would guess that there was some level of awareness on the part of the baddies.

you know, that's actually really interesting... wish I had access to the other thread so i could compare if there were any weird location switches when that was brought up.

[Thundercat]

Llama's case on Soneji seems the most solid out of anything so far. Omitting the lynchee from discussion while questioning the judgment used to lynch him is textbook indirect mafia support. I also don't like Soneji quickly jumping to "You didn't see me defend Mac, did you?" when talking about his distrust of meta. That seemed to me to be ahead of llama's questioning. Doth protest too much. And whoa, Soneji saying "As for a GTH, everyone is bad in my eyes until they flip otherwise" is just a tremendous cop-out of responsibility. Could at least say he didn't have time or just ignore the request altogether. And there's some snarky sarcasm that doesn't read right.

The tone reads consistent through Soneji's post. Regardless, this is kinda big. I can think of reasons not to give reads, Soneji, but what are yours? Do you actually think everyone in here is bad?

linki- polls ends at like 8 EST

it says 6 for me

Donna, my point about your memory is you did not post much in the other thread and I would expect you to remember if you had a post with llama's name in it whether you suspected him or were responding to him. I remember a lot of things from the other thread though not everything. I certainly remember who I suspected and I would expect you to too.

I didn't mean to imply that I suspected Llama. I suspected sig.

[bea]

I am voting sonji. People I trust seem to think the case is solid. I had a very difficult time following the finer details of the case, but I know I'm not bad. I'm sorry Ibwas beginning of the game fail.

[Made]

Llama's case on Soneji seems the most solid out of anything so far. Omitting the lynchee from discussion while questioning the judgment used to lynch him is textbook indirect mafia support. I also don't like Soneji quickly jumping to "You didn't see me defend Mac, did you?" when talking about his distrust of meta. That seemed to me to be ahead of llama's questioning. Doth protest too much. And whoa, Soneji saying "As for a GTH, everyone is bad in my eyes until they flip otherwise" is just a tremendous cop-out of responsibility. Could at least say he didn't have time or just ignore the request altogether. And there's some snarky sarcasm that doesn't read right.

The tone reads consistent through Soneji's post. Regardless, this is kinda big. I can think of reasons not to give reads, Soneji, but what are yours? Do you actually think everyone in here is bad?

linki- polls ends at like 8 EST

it says 6 for me

Donna, my point about your memory is you did not post much in the other thread and I would expect you to remember if you had a post with llama's name in it whether you suspected him or were responding to him. I remember a lot of things from the other thread though not everything. I certainly remember who I suspected and I would expect you to too.

I didn't mean to imply that I suspected Llama. I suspected sig.

Yo, while i have you, GTH?

[Ben Linus]

Stop speculating about me, please. Nothing to see here.

[Ben Linus]

I'll wave my pompoms in Soneji's direction, because ties are fun.

[Made]

Stop speculating about me, please. Nothing to see here.

[Akemi Homura]

Well now if Soneji comes in and puts his vote where he ought to, we've got a tie, and ties (if I remember correctly) are resolved randomly. Are we cool with putting things in the hands of a coin?

[Akemi Homura]

That's assuming no vote manipulation, which I shouldn't do.

[Scotty]

Well now if Soneji comes in and puts his vote where he ought to, we've got a tie, and ties (if I remember correctly) are resolved randomly. Are we cool with putting things in the hands of a coin?

That's assuming Cheerleader's vote isn't worth 0 like I assume.