GAME OVER: BLUE vs. RED

[Jackofhearts2005]

Meant FZ. Mafia 101. We were never gonna get him lynched. Epi's an easy fall guy, anyhow. He's got negative Hillary points.

[MacDougall]

Who said I was certain? I am more confident in my little read on you than anyone else seems to be on anything and you aren't gonna lynch yourself so might as well get a wagon cooking on someone. Why not Pingy McStrangepost himself?

A fool would be certain given such little evidence.

If he's good: This looks pretty legit

If he's bad: He accuses while simultaneously suggesting it's foolish to believe it.

In that last post, it seems like MacDougall is throwing in the towel trying to get his biggest suspect lynched...before he's actually done anything in earnest to get people to vote Jack.

Am I reading that incorrectly?

It sounds like you guys are just struggling to believe I am this good at Mafia.

If you can't persuade others to vote for your man, then no, you're not that good.

Mac uses playful humour.

Epignosis is not affected.

[DFaraday]

I'm putting a vote on Jack for now. I'm not liking how Wilgy has three votes right now, for what seem to be three different reasons. Llama for the visual, but also a little because he didn't like Wilgy's SVS vote. Epi because he finds Wilgy's case against him forced and fabricated. LC because he doesn't like how jokey Wilgy is playing?

For the record, I don't agree with Wilgy's assessment of Epi, but I can see how a civ could come to that conclusion.

[Long Con]

I'm not liking how Wilgy has three votes right now, for what seem to be three different reasons.

You prefer votes on the same individual to be for the same reasons?

What are your opinions of the voters?

[Epignosis]

I'm putting a vote on Jack for now. I'm not liking how Wilgy has three votes right now, for what seem to be three different reasons. Llama for the visual, but also a little because he didn't like Wilgy's SVS vote. Epi because he finds Wilgy's case against him forced and fabricated. LC because he doesn't like how jokey Wilgy is playing?

For the record, I don't agree with Wilgy's assessment of Epi, but I can see how a civ could come to that conclusion.

This is the kind of thing that loses games, DF.

You don't like why people are voting for Wilgy...why can't you offer some other insight? If Jack were not on the poll, where would you vote and why? That question goes to everybody. The level of participation this phase has been shite. There's an outed mafia member for crying out loud.

Say something.

[Epignosis]

I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

[Jackofhearts2005]

All four players voting for me are scum, desperate to pad their townie cred after acting suspicious all game.

[Jackofhearts2005]

"Would Mac and Jack both vote for DF if some of them were teammates?"


You tell me.

[Marmot]

I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

I'm busy.

Why'd you put your vote on me. You just asked everyone where they'd vote and why. What's your why?

[notsawyer540]

Just caught back up.

I'm going to leave my vote on Jack. However, if I were to vote for someone else today it would be Wilgy because of the way he supported Epi's argument for keeping Jack alive but added little to no substance to the debate. It seemed to me like he was taking advantage of the debate to try to keep Jack alive longer. My second suspect is Epi. At first I thought either Wilgy or Epi was bad, but now I think it's possible that it's both after their back and forth about Eloh and whether or not her death on night one confirms Epi as civ. This struck me as an attempt to distance themselves from each other after they both convinced everyone not to kill Jack--in the hopes that if we lynched Wilgy and he flipped bad, we wouldn't look twice at Epi. If I had to name two people I thought were working together, it would be them.

My other suspects are Mac and LC, in that order. I've already discussed my Mac suspicions to death. LC, on the other hand, has been pretty lackadaisical about his voting and hasn't really added much to the conversation as far as baddie hunting goes. His first two votes were for llama without elaboration or explanation, and now he appears to be piggy-backing of what other people say.

[thellama73]

I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

I'm busy.

Why'd you put your vote on me. You just asked everyone where they'd vote and why. What's your why?

I'm also busy, but I'm pleased to see the thread has come to its senses and is finally prepared to lynch the only person we know is bad.

Moving vote to Jack.

[Epignosis]

I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

I'm busy.

Why'd you put your vote on me. You just asked everyone where they'd vote and why. What's your why?

My vote isn't on you. It's on notsawyer for the horrible theory about me he just posted.

[thellama73]

I'm starting to feel left out. I think I'm close to the only person Epi hasn't voted for today.

[Marmot]

I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

I'm busy.

Why'd you put your vote on me. You just asked everyone where they'd vote and why. What's your why?

My vote isn't on you. It's on notsawyer for the horrible theory about me he just posted.

[notsawyer540]

I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

I'm busy.

Why'd you put your vote on me. You just asked everyone where they'd vote and why. What's your why?

My vote isn't on you. It's on notsawyer for the horrible theory about me he just posted.

You asked for people to post their ideas not relating to Jack and I answered. Seems a bit petty and insincere to vote against someone because they voiced suspicion against you. Not really a civ move imo.

[Long Con]

I'm starting to feel left out. I think I'm close to the only person Epi hasn't voted for today.

Aw, I'll vote for you again, if it will make you feel better!

[thellama73]

I'm starting to feel left out. I think I'm close to the only person Epi hasn't voted for today.

Aw, I'll vote for you again, if it will make you feel better!

Believe me, I feel very loved by you.

[Epignosis]

I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

I'm busy.

Why'd you put your vote on me. You just asked everyone where they'd vote and why. What's your why?

My vote isn't on you. It's on notsawyer for the horrible theory about me he just posted.

You asked for people to post their ideas not relating to Jack and I answered. Seems a bit petty and insincere to vote against someone because they voiced suspicion against you. Not really a civ move imo.

My perspective of your theory is entirely sincere.

[Long Con]

I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

I'm busy.

Why'd you put your vote on me. You just asked everyone where they'd vote and why. What's your why?

My vote isn't on you. It's on notsawyer for the horrible theory about me he just posted.

You asked for people to post their ideas not relating to Jack and I answered. Seems a bit petty and insincere to vote against someone because they voiced suspicion against you. Not really a civ move imo.

My perspective of your theory is entirely sincere.

You think that notsawyer is bad and is putting forth a fraudulent theory that he doesn't really believe?

[notsawyer540]

I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

I'm busy.

Why'd you put your vote on me. You just asked everyone where they'd vote and why. What's your why?

My vote isn't on you. It's on notsawyer for the horrible theory about me he just posted.

You asked for people to post their ideas not relating to Jack and I answered. Seems a bit petty and insincere to vote against someone because they voiced suspicion against you. Not really a civ move imo.

My perspective of your theory is entirely sincere.

How many people have you voted for today?

Linkitis: I definitely believe it's in the realm of possibility. Epi helped us get Scotty (who wasn't even mafia) and then convinced a bunch of people to lynch SVS instead of a confirmed baddie.

[Long Con]

An audacious move for a baddie to make.

[notsawyer540]

An audacious move for a baddie to make.

Just like killing their significant other on the first day.

I'm very suspicious of Epi, but like I said, Wilgy seems a bit more scummy and it's a lot more plausible that he's bad.

[Long Con]

An audacious move for a baddie to make.

Just like killing their significant other on the first day.

I'm very suspicious of Epi, but like I said, Wilgy seems a bit more scummy and it's a lot more plausible that he's bad.

You're not just saying that to me because my vote is on him right now?

[DrWilgy]

Remember that time I pointed out your facts were wrong Sawyer and you responded with "dun dun duuuun" amd didn't engage me even though I gave you every opportunity to do so?

[notsawyer540]

Remember that time I pointed out your facts were wrong Sawyer and you responded with "dun dun duuuun" amd didn't engage me even though I gave you every opportunity to do so?

You said you were the first person to suggest not lynching a baddie? Am I remembering that correctly? I'll go back and see if that's true. Give me a minute.

[Epignosis]

I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

I'm busy.

Why'd you put your vote on me. You just asked everyone where they'd vote and why. What's your why?

My vote isn't on you. It's on notsawyer for the horrible theory about me he just posted.

You asked for people to post their ideas not relating to Jack and I answered. Seems a bit petty and insincere to vote against someone because they voiced suspicion against you. Not really a civ move imo.

My perspective of your theory is entirely sincere.

You think that notsawyer is bad and is putting forth a fraudulent theory that he doesn't really believe?

I'm in the process of figuring that out.

[Epignosis]

I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

I'm busy.

Why'd you put your vote on me. You just asked everyone where they'd vote and why. What's your why?

My vote isn't on you. It's on notsawyer for the horrible theory about me he just posted.

You asked for people to post their ideas not relating to Jack and I answered. Seems a bit petty and insincere to vote against someone because they voiced suspicion against you. Not really a civ move imo.

My perspective of your theory is entirely sincere.

How many people have you voted for today?

I don't know. I'm not counting.

Linkitis: I definitely believe it's in the realm of possibility. Epi helped us get Scotty (who wasn't even mafia) and then convinced a bunch of people to lynch SVS instead of a confirmed baddie.

So the fact that I'm persuasive enough to get a bunch of people to vote for S~V~S makes me suspicious?

You're going to have to lynch someone who isn't Jack eventually. Doing so sooner was the preferred choice of many, irrespective of who got lynched.

[notsawyer540]

Rip Eloh.

Everyone lets refrain from voting from Jack immediately.

Is this what you're talking about? If so, there is a difference between it and this:

Given that data, I think it is reasonable to assume the entire mafia is powerless beyond a kill.

I don't mind lynching Jackie O, but I would only do so as a last resort. Lynching exposed mafia only keeps his teammates out of discussion and pressure.

This.

Scotty basically hog tied and handed us a hostage.

You go from essentially saying, "let's take our time and discuss things" to "I agree with Epi. We should keep him around."

You see the inconsistency? You waited until someone else floated the idea of keeping him around and jumped right on board. Then a civ got lynched. My facts aren't and weren't wrong.

[notsawyer540]

I don't know. I'm not counting.

I wish I had been. It's quite a few, and iirc it hasn't been the confirmed baddie at all.

Linkitis: I definitely believe it's in the realm of possibility. Epi helped us get Scotty (who wasn't even mafia) and then convinced a bunch of people to lynch SVS instead of a confirmed baddie.

So the fact that I'm persuasive enough to get a bunch of people to vote for S~V~S makes me suspicious?

You're going to have to lynch someone who isn't Jack eventually. Doing so sooner was the preferred choice of many, irrespective of who got lynched.

Nothing wrong with being persuasive. I agreed with your assessment of Scotty on day one and helped lynch him. What I was talking about was the fact that you've helped lynch one indie role, one civ, and refuse to vote for someone you know is bad.

You're going to have to lynch Jack eventually. Doing so sooner is the more logical decision, irrespective of how many people you convince otherwise.

[DrWilgy]

Are these not the same? We are still going to lynch JoH, but we are taking our time. Never did I specify phase. Also if Epi and I are teammates, why would've I waited for my teammate to float an idea? I could've just stated it myself. I also don't see a scenario where I'd ever adamantly stand on a view with a teammate, but that's just me.

Are you sying it's my fault a civ got lynched?

Linki - how is it logical? How? What logic did you use to decide this.

[Epignosis]

I don't know. I'm not counting.

I wish I had been. It's quite a few, and iirc it hasn't been the confirmed baddie at all.

So moving my vote around a lot means I'm bad. Got it.

Linkitis: I definitely believe it's in the realm of possibility. Epi helped us get Scotty (who wasn't even mafia) and then convinced a bunch of people to lynch SVS instead of a confirmed baddie.

So the fact that I'm persuasive enough to get a bunch of people to vote for S~V~S makes me suspicious?

You're going to have to lynch someone who isn't Jack eventually. Doing so sooner was the preferred choice of many, irrespective of who got lynched.

Nothing wrong with being persuasive. I agreed with your assessment of Scotty on day one and helped lynch him. What I was talking about was the fact that you've helped lynch one indie role, one civ, and refuse to vote for someone you know is bad.

You're going to have to lynch Jack eventually. Doing so sooner is the more logical decision, irrespective of how many people you convince otherwise.

Deal with it mate. Jack has a team. My job is to find them. I don't accomplish that by going, "Okay, voting Jack."

[DrWilgy]

You're going to have to lynch Jack eventually. Doing so sooner is the more logical decision, irrespective of how many people you convince otherwise.

I have such a problem with this quote it throws my reads into madness. "More logical" could've just been "obvious" or "easier" or "simple" or "straightforward". Instead there's an nessicary snark of "why don't you choose the SMMMMAAAAAAARRRRRTTT decision?"

End me fam

[notsawyer540]

I don't know. I'm not counting.

I wish I had been. It's quite a few, and iirc it hasn't been the confirmed baddie at all.

So moving my vote around a lot means I'm bad. Got it.

Linkitis: I definitely believe it's in the realm of possibility. Epi helped us get Scotty (who wasn't even mafia) and then convinced a bunch of people to lynch SVS instead of a confirmed baddie.

So the fact that I'm persuasive enough to get a bunch of people to vote for S~V~S makes me suspicious?

You're going to have to lynch someone who isn't Jack eventually. Doing so sooner was the preferred choice of many, irrespective of who got lynched.

Nothing wrong with being persuasive. I agreed with your assessment of Scotty on day one and helped lynch him. What I was talking about was the fact that you've helped lynch one indie role, one civ, and refuse to vote for someone you know is bad.

You're going to have to lynch Jack eventually. Doing so sooner is the more logical decision, irrespective of how many people you convince otherwise.

Deal with it mate. Jack has a team. My job is to find them. I don't accomplish that by going, "Okay, voting Jack."

Stick to your guns then. My job is to find and kill baddies, because that's how the game works. What's the preferred ending to a day for you: lynching a civ or lynching a baddie?

Linki: Lynching Jack was (and is) the smart choice. I'm sure SVS would agree with that.

[notsawyer540]

Are these not the same? We are still going to lynch JoH, but we are taking our time. Never did I specify phase. Also if Epi and I are teammates, why would've I waited for my teammate to float an idea? I could've just stated it myself. I also don't see a scenario where I'd ever adamantly stand on a view with a teammate, but that's just me.

Are you sying it's my fault a civ got lynched?

Linki - how is it logical? How? What logic did you use to decide this.

I'm saying you played a part.

As far as how it's logical, I discussed this to death before. Lynching someone we know is bad sooner rather than later gives us more time to avoid making the kind of mistake that lynching SVS was. Not only would we have had an extra day to make a more rational decision, the mafia kill a civ every night, so the odds of a mislynch go down every day.

[notsawyer540]

Quote fail. That was supposed to be one post.

I put off my workout long enough for today. I'll be back in a bit.

[Epignosis]

Are these not the same? We are still going to lynch JoH, but we are taking our time. Never did I specify phase. Also if Epi and I are teammates, why would've I waited for my teammate to float an idea? I could've just stated it myself. I also don't see a scenario where I'd ever adamantly stand on a view with a teammate, but that's just me.

Are you sying it's my fault a civ got lynched?

Linki - how is it logical? How? What logic did you use to decide this.

I'm saying you played a part.

As far as how it's logical, I discussed this to death before. Lynching someone we know is bad sooner rather than later gives us more time to avoid making the kind of mistake that lynching SVS was. Not only would we have had an extra day to make a more rational decision, the mafia kill a civ every night, so the odds of a mislynch go down every day.

No it doesn't. You don't get a bonus Day phase because you lynch Jack. You merely postpone actually having to do work. Lynching Jack Day 2 would also not preclude lynching S~V~S Day 3.

[Marmot]

Deal with it mate. Jack has a team. My job is to find them. I don't accomplish that by going, "Okay, voting Jack."

Why did you vote for me?

[Epignosis]

Deal with it mate. Jack has a team. My job is to find them. I don't accomplish that by going, "Okay, voting Jack."

Why did you vote for me?

No reason. Should I have a reason?

[Marmot]

Deal with it mate. Jack has a team. My job is to find them. I don't accomplish that by going, "Okay, voting Jack."

Why did you vote for me?

No reason. Should I have a reason?

Given that you said this, then absolutely yes!

[Epignosis]

Deal with it mate. Jack has a team. My job is to find them. I don't accomplish that by going, "Okay, voting Jack."

Why did you vote for me?

No reason. Should I have a reason?

Given that you said this, then absolutely yes!

Oh wait, I did have a reason. I was just taking my vote off DrWilgy to give him some room so he wouldn't end up feeling like he had to vote Jack. You were just a bystander. I do not know if you are an innocent one.

[Marmot]

I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

How did you forget Quin was in this game, you had a lengthy back-and-forth with him about whether or not you would murder FZ, and also called him a civilian.

[DrWilgy]

Deal with it mate. Jack has a team. My job is to find them. I don't accomplish that by going, "Okay, voting Jack."

Why did you vote for me?

No reason. Should I have a reason?

Given that you said this, then absolutely yes!

Oh wait, I did have a reason. I was just taking my vote off DrWilgy to give him some room so he wouldn't end up feeling like he had to vote Jack. You were just a bystander. I do not know if you are an innocent one.

You think I'd go out like a coward?

Recent interaction with Sawyer had me doubting my Epi read, oh well going back to that.

[Epignosis]

I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

How did you forget Quin was in this game, you had a lengthy back-and-forth with him about whether or not you would murder FZ, and also called him a civilian.

Because I'm getting old and forget things, and Quin hasn't posted recently.

[Marmot]

If you're a civilian, I don't see how you would have forgotten a read or an interaction like that.

You my friend, are my top suspect behind jack right now.

[Epignosis]

Deal with it mate. Jack has a team. My job is to find them. I don't accomplish that by going, "Okay, voting Jack."

Why did you vote for me?

No reason. Should I have a reason?

Given that you said this, then absolutely yes!

Oh wait, I did have a reason. I was just taking my vote off DrWilgy to give him some room so he wouldn't end up feeling like he had to vote Jack. You were just a bystander. I do not know if you are an innocent one.

You think I'd go out like a coward?

Recent interaction with Sawyer had me doubting my Epi read, oh well going back to that.

Go on.

[Epignosis]

If you're a civilian, I don't see how you would have forgotten a read or an interaction like that.

You my friend, are my top suspect behind jack right now.

If that's what does it for you.

You can join the rest of the clowns at the clown table who think I'd kill Eloh Night 1.

[DrWilgy]

Deal with it mate. Jack has a team. My job is to find them. I don't accomplish that by going, "Okay, voting Jack."

Why did you vote for me?

No reason. Should I have a reason?

Given that you said this, then absolutely yes!

Oh wait, I did have a reason. I was just taking my vote off DrWilgy to give him some room so he wouldn't end up feeling like he had to vote Jack. You were just a bystander. I do not know if you are an innocent one.

You think I'd go out like a coward?

Recent interaction with Sawyer had me doubting my Epi read, oh well going back to that.

Go on.

With what?

[Epignosis]

I feel like there is zero rational thought taking place in this thread right now. Zero.

[DrWilgy]

I feel like there is zero rational thought taking place in this thread right now. Zero.

That makes you wrong again. Stop being wrong Epi.

[Epignosis]

I feel like there is zero rational thought taking place in this thread right now. Zero.

That makes you wrong again. Stop being wrong Epi.

That's my feeling. Feelings aren't wrong.