Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[colonialbob]

I do think you slipped. I just think I know why, and it doesn't mean you're mafia. In fact it's pretty strong evidence you aren't.

[DharmaHelper]

TFW you vote for the guy who can't be lynched lolololol

[DharmaHelper]

Speedchuck is bad or hates his role I guess and is practically begging to get lynched so who am I to deny such a clearly civ player what they most desire

[speedchuck]

I do think you slipped. I just think I know why, and it doesn't mean you're mafia. In fact it's pretty strong evidence you aren't.

I want to know what you mean by this.

TFW you vote for the guy who can't be lynched lolololol

Why can't cBob be lynched?

[DharmaHelper]

Epignosis and Long Con love themselves some Adverb Theory. Me? I don't subscribe to that particular superstition. I do however want to bring up another A-Word that I find much more telling and interesting on the whole: Accountability.

Accountability in ones vote, to be most precise. Lets take a look at Chuck's votes:

Day 1 - "I'm going to follow Epignosis and vote for a person I think is a civ, rather than follow through on any of my supposedly legitimate suspicions."

Day 2 - "Rather than follow through on any of my supposedly legitimate suspicions, I'm going to vote for C-Bob, whom we are all aware cannot be lynched until Day 6.

By avoiding the accountability and consequences normally associated with a lynch vote, Speedchuck hopes to avoid the suspicion that goes with accountability.

Think again, big guy.

[speedchuck]

Day 2 - "Rather than follow through on any of my supposedly legitimate suspicions, I'm going to vote for C-Bob, whom we are all aware cannot be lynched until Day 6.

Oh screw you I forgot.

[sprityo]

I’m going to [VOTE: nutella] aubergine but I’m going to look again at DDL later

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

[DharmaHelper]

I too frequently forget when a players role has been outted in the thread and they are unlynchable for six full day phases.

[DharmaHelper]

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Epignosis and Long Con love themselves some Adverb Theory. Me? I don't subscribe to that particular superstition. I do however want to bring up another A-Word that I find much more telling and interesting on the whole: Accountability.

Accountability in ones vote, to be most precise. Lets take a look at Chuck's votes:

Day 1 - "I'm going to follow Epignosis and vote for a person I think is a civ, rather than follow through on any of my supposedly legitimate suspicions."

Day 2 - "Rather than follow through on any of my supposedly legitimate suspicions, I'm going to vote for C-Bob, whom we are all aware cannot be lynched until Day 6.

By avoiding the accountability and consequences normally associated with a lynch vote, Speedchuck hopes to avoid the suspicion that goes with accountability.

Think again, big guy.

[speedchuck]

I too frequently forget when a players role has been outted in the thread and they are unlynchable for six full day phases.

Oh good I'm not the only one.

[Dom]

I'm not reading, eh?

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This is pretty neat
Like all of the game in one
Refridgerator

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Hey guys not to be
a dick but there's no D in
refrigerator

Don't be so fridgid
This is southerner english
learn the dialect

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Poll runs till Sunday
I am glad we have some time
I am in two games

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The two deaths thing; was that something in a game played while I was on break? Or is it a unique new thing?:

From the Rules:

8) Players will get two roles in this game. You will all get your first role at the start of the game. You will only get your second role upon your first death. If you die twice, you are officially actually dead. When your first role dies (regardless of how you die), your role will be revealed, but your affiliation and win conditions will be kept secret. When your second role dies, your role and affiliation will be revealed if you die by lynch or any method other than nightkill. It is possible for players to change win conditions or affiliations, however any mafia player who has BTSC with their team for role one will continue to have the same affiliation and win conditions for role two

I think it's just a thing to let them put more role in the game

Mechanics.

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Guys I have an idol

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We are all voting in a circle to drive a group tie to flush out who didn't send in a haiku. Not sure if that was storytelling or not in the host post about finding those who did not send in a haiku.

This is so stupid.

I mean, I sent a haiku.

But no. You're kidding?

Haiku.

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Oh sweet. Can't lynch me! Tell me who's vulnerable, and we'll go from there.

Speculation on haiku.

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Oh sweet. Can't lynch me! Tell me who's vulnerable, and we'll go from there.

me

Voted for Sprityo, who is vulnerable and mafia clearly

Voted sprityo-- seems to be a joke. No rationale given.

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We are all voting in a circle to drive a group tie to flush out who didn't send in a haiku. Not sure if that was storytelling or not in the host post about finding those who did not send in a haiku.

This is so stupid.

I mean, I sent a haiku.

But no. You're kidding?

The host post implies we look for people who did not pay their fare. I asked if anyone thought it was storytelling or not. We have to days and changeable votes.

And can we stop calling each other silly and stupid? Have a better idea instead.

Sorry. I am better at insulting than playing mafia. Or making haikus.

Jokes about haikus.

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Oh sweet. Can't lynch me! Tell me who's vulnerable, and we'll go from there.

me

Voted for Sprityo, who is vulnerable and mafia clearly

thats why i used the : Mafia : emote

besides the fact you would vote me in the round robin anyways

i hate you speedchuck

I love you though

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[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine for posterity

Vote tag.

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game is rigged from the start

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[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine for posterity

READ THE RULES NEXT TIME, WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

I read them yesterday but then I saw the poll and was like WWEEEEEEEE

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No I was annoyed at Chuck's stupid crack but I got over it because I missed playing and people stopped name calling

I'm really a butt
Most people get used to it
'cause I could be worse

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Why does Cbob lead / when he has said to us that / he cannot be lynched?

Questions about Cbob. No follow up.

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[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

He feels pretty low key so imma start here.

Mkay.

I'm going to be low key on weekends. That's pretty much a constant for me.

Defense against being "lowkey"
That accusation was kind of bull (from DDL).

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I kind of see what SVS is saying about speed, he reacted strongly against the round robin at first because it sounded like he didn't realize/missed that people who sent haikus have immunity, and then when SVS explained it he said this-

Oh sweet. Can't lynch me! Tell me who's vulnerable, and we'll go from there.

which... idk could be NAI but it feels funky

I am funky

(seriously though I'll play more tomorrow)

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Hey Sprityo, it looks like it's a battle between me and you.

YOU READY FOR THIS!?!???

(actually, I don't want you lynched if you have a cool role, which you're acting like you do. Hm.)

Hedges on a sprit lynch in case he has a "cool role". This indicates to me that he does not.

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Hey Sprityo, it looks like it's a battle between me and you.

YOU READY FOR THIS!?!???

(actually, I don't want you lynched if you have a cool role, which you're acting like you do. Hm.)

Why does this post not surprise me?

I kept getting an (albeit early, especially with the two role business) team-y vibe from you and Sprit, especially with how you reacted to the idea of the RR ... UNTIL you dropped that opportunistic vote on him. That made me feel as if one or the other of you was bad, not both. This post brought we right back to where I was.

I want to see SpeedBuffy again~ you may not have been overly effective there due to divided attentions as your other game was in endphase combined with 24 hour days, but once I had a grip on your civvieness, I understood you; but to be honest, I am not seeing that person at all in this game. I am going to reread you there, becasue as I recall, you discussed your civ game there, and being as you were a civ would have no reason to be misleading about it.

linki, lol. Yup.

Why do you want to see Speedbuffy again? So you can start a scum-lead wagon on me?

Speedbuffy - was playing with divided attention, as an important townie, under pressure.
Speedchuck in this game - is invincible day 1, has a boring but helpful role, has been promised a second role if he is lynched, and is in freaking dire straits in another game. Plus it's the weekend. Look all the way back to my first games here. Outside of burglaries, I generally play most on weekdays, and slack on weekends. I have every motivation to play low-key in this game.

Metareads are complicated, multi-state things.

And for that matter, Sprit and me are buddies, going back to a game called Terminal 13 mafia that I played in 2014. I've known him four times as long as anyone else on this site. He's the reason I'm here. There's some familiarity there.

I promise that, when half of the game isn't invincible and the chips are down, I'm going to bear down on this game and give it my all. I'm not going to join any other games while this game is going. I want to focus solely on it, especially once things get going.

But anyway, given my current invulnerable state (which leaves most of the game unlynchable even if I do scumhunt), and the burglary that might take place today, and my church duties, and so on, I'm going to pull a CC123 role #13 and be lazy for a day period. Aggressively lazy.

Six paragraphs of various sizes on how he's going to play more when he's not invincible anymore.

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THEORY TIME YOU SQUIBS~!

Everyone in this game has 2 lives. Their alignment is not revealed on their first death. On top of that, some people are not lynchable their first day. AND role claiming is not allowed.

With this in mind...

Scumhunting today is more fruitless than on most day ones. It will remove a role from the game, give us no information regarding alignment, and (if the lynch trickles down) will tell us more about who was invulnerable today than who was actually scum. So I want to hear pros and cons on the following, beyond what I'm going to say.

WHAT IF WE ASKED FOR LYNCH VOLUNTEERS?

Does anyone, someone who did not send in a haiku, have a role that they don't care for? We could CC123 this crap.

"But Speedchuck," you might whimper, "lynching someone opens them up to being lynched FOR REEEEEAAAAL." True. But if we really want to lynch someone, we'll keep at it until they die. Lives mean nothing if people really want you dead, nothing but extra wasted time.

"But Speedchuck," a more confident and smart person, in other words not you, might cry, "Lynching someone opens them up to the danger of nightkills! If we lynch a townie, mafia can just reduce their numbers. And voting numbers are important!"

To which I'd say, "Dang, you smart yo. I didn't even think of that until I was halfway done with this post. I was going to say things about how scumpeeps might volunteer to look more towny, but you've forced me to think about it another way. It's a bad idea."

And thus my mind would be changed, no thanks to YOU.

I should hypothesize more often. I think I just motivated myself to scumhunt.

"Hey guys, anyone WANT to be lynched?"

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no I was the second guy

Voice of reason right here

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The only way that having 2 roles does NOT benefit scum is if we commit to every lynch. Mathematically.

Lynching someone opens them up to lynch or nightkill. It takes us two lynches to kill someone. It takes us TWO lynches. If we mislynch, mafia can kill the mislynchee instantly. Would they do that?

"Of course," Long Con says. "After all, killing someone else would supply a townfirm."

Right. So Mafia will probably finish the job for us. Unless they don't. In the case that our lynched dude is scum, they'll kill someone else. This leads us to kill the dude again, and they can finish the job on that other person, bringing us back to square one.

Basically, for game balance and assurance that mafia won't just wipe the floor with us, both sides will, by nature, double down. Which is dumb, because it means the second roles we are given aren't worth a flying flip darn tootin' skippy, except for a last night action before biting the dust. In addition, the roles of these players that get doubled down on won't be revealed if they get nightkilled (we'll know they aren't scum, but that's all).

AM I MISSING ANYTHING?

Mechanics. No talk on players.

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The only way that having 2 roles does NOT benefit scum is if we commit to every lynch. Mathematically.

Lynching someone opens them up to lynch or nightkill. It takes us two lynches to kill someone. It takes us TWO lynches. If we mislynch, mafia can kill the mislynchee instantly. Would they do that?

"Of course," Long Con says. "After all, killing someone else would supply a townfirm."

Right. So Mafia will probably finish the job for us. Unless they don't. In the case that our lynched dude is scum, they'll kill someone else. This leads us to kill the dude again, and they can finish the job on that other person, bringing us back to square one.

Basically, for game balance and assurance that mafia won't just wipe the floor with us, both sides will, by nature, double down. Which is dumb, because it means the second roles we are given aren't worth a flying flip darn tootin' skippy, except for a last night action before biting the dust. In addition, the roles of these players that get doubled down on won't be revealed if they get nightkilled (we'll know they aren't scum, but that's all).

AM I MISSING ANYTHING?

By night killing other options, the mafia is providing itself with a chance to grow.

Alignments don't change.

Common sense.

Otherwise, we lynch a mafia, they become town, they get their team lynched, GG.

[Incorrect] post about mechanics.

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Can the baddies kill
each other in the night time
If so, we are boned

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Since we have two lives
It is near impossible
A lynch will be "good"
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Could it be worthwhile
To kill everyone's first role
And then play the game?

1. presumably
2. yes
3. If the scum played along. They won't, if they're smart.

Mechanics.

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Can the baddies kill
each other in the night time
If so, we are boned

1. presumably

I should clarify
I meant kill their own teammates
New "role" but still "maf"

Oh, I knew what you meant. All of the benefits of bussing with none of the numerical consequences or lynch variables.

We gonna get led by the nose.

Mechanics.

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I'm almost tempted to no lynch on D1, just to put the mafia in the deciding position of killing one of their own or giving us a townfirm to work with on our first lynch. Put the pressure on them, instead of allowing them to capitalize on our likely mislynch and give us nothing.

(we can't even lynch who we want to today, in all likelyhood)

linki: CRAP
So mafia numbers can grow, but they can't defect to town. Frikkin perfect.
Lynch me so that I might see what my final win con is.

Mechanics.

(Don't actually lynch me. If I don't swap, then mafia will kill me. If I do swap, you guys will lynch me tomorrow for still being alive.)

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Defense/Mechanics.

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(Wait I can't be lynched. NVM.)

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I'm starting to think the double-life issue won't be as large of an obstacle as I initially believed.

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Does anyone else have opinions on the no-lynch?

I know there's no option, but we could pile all our votes on an invincible person. Like me.

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So speedchuck isn't keen on reading lengthy guidelines carefully.

We are all voting in a circle to drive a group tie to flush out who didn't send in a haiku. Not sure if that was storytelling or not in the host post about finding those who did not send in a haiku.

This is so stupid.

I mean, I sent a haiku.

But no. You're kidding?

I don't know if I believe this, especially now.

(Don't actually lynch me. If I don't swap, then mafia will kill me. If I do swap, you guys will lynch me tomorrow for still being alive.)

(Wait I can't be lynched. NVM.)

Go for it. I'm possibly advocating for a no-lynch, and going after me might make it happen.

If not, then I'll have more control over the secondary wagon. Yes, this is a good idea.

Talking a no lynch... but why?

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And I still HATE your reaction to the RR.

Sorry, I didn't mean it personally.

Not sure how to classify it, but I'm still unclear on where speedchuck stands on anything.

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Why did you think it was DH that thought of the round robin, Chuckers?

What do you think of S~V~S' suspicion on you that stems from this error?

Skimming the topic. Must have missed her post somehow. I have a bad habit of jumping on and reading the most recent stuff.

SVS's suspicion of me is probably warranted. Or, at least as warranted as it was in Buffy. She seems town to me.

First substantiated opinion on a player: SVS is civ.

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I do not understand the value of a no-lynch. A no-lynch serves a very specific purpose, and Day 1 is never it.

If we mislynch, mafia follow up on it. We make the decisions, mafia capitalize.

If we no-lynch, mafia has to make the decision. We get to capitalize on the info that gives us.

Mechanics.

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Wait, did Chuck think that, too? So did Sprityo:

*Donald Trump voice* I should vote whoever suggested round robin in the first place. Terrible!

I think it was DH

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

And Chuck, it was not the "stupid" that I hate, it was that you felt strongly enough about it to react that way, if you understand my point.

I don't think I actually did make that mistake. Read into that as you will.

I tend to word things strongly. I think I said that in Buffy mafia as well, if you recall. As town or scum, if I can bring a barrel of scorn down on easy targets, it gets me town cred. Sometimes. It's all about tone.

In other words, I did that because I wanted to.

Talking about buffy mafia.

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I do not understand the value of a no-lynch. A no-lynch serves a very specific purpose, and Day 1 is never it.

If we mislynch, mafia follow up on it. We make the decisions, mafia capitalize.

If we no-lynch, mafia has to make the decision. We get to capitalize on the info that gives us.

What info? Mafia kills someone, you learn a discarded role, and then what? Not lynch the person who drew the kill even though he or she has a new role and possibly a new alignment?

New role, sure. New alignment, not super likely, unless this game is completely broken. If people can't defect FROM scum, then most aren't likely to defect TO scum.

Then again, in that unlikely circumstance, if that person they nightkilled doesn't get nightkilled the next night, we might think something's up.

Mafia will be setting the pace, giving us something to go off of. Not much, but it's something.

You may not think it's worth it. You may be right. But these are not normal circumstances, and it's worth thinking about.

Mechanics.

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Wait, did Chuck think that, too? So did Sprityo:

*Donald Trump voice* I should vote whoever suggested round robin in the first place. Terrible!

I think it was DH

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

And Chuck, it was not the "stupid" that I hate, it was that you felt strongly enough about it to react that way, if you understand my point.

I don't think I actually did make that mistake. Read into that as you will.

I tend to word things strongly. I think I said that in Buffy mafia as well, if you recall. As town or scum, if I can bring a barrel of scorn down on easy targets, it gets me town cred. Sometimes. It's all about tone.

In other words, I did that because I wanted to.

So what was this about, is LC mistaking you and Sprit? I just want to clear this up, I have to go facetime my sister in 5 minutes and want Mafia not on my mind at that time ha ha.

Why did you think it was DH that thought of the round robin, Chuckers?

What do you think of S~V~S' suspicion on you that stems from this error?

Skimming the topic. Must have missed her post somehow. I have a bad habit of jumping on and reading the most recent stuff.

SVS's suspicion of me is probably warranted. Or, at least as warranted as it was in Buffy. She seems town to me.

I think LC mixed Sprit and I up, and I responded assuming that I said something to that effect because I was very distracted yesterday. Take that as you will.

Correcting LC.

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[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine
[VOTE: Vote Dom] aubergine

My headspace is between no-lynch and lynch-low-posters and lynch-scum and lynch-people-that-aren't-good-for-the-tribe

I can at least hit 2 or 3 with this vote

votes for me... for literally no reason.

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linki: oh I've disappointed you

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I do not understand the value of a no-lynch. A no-lynch serves a very specific purpose, and Day 1 is never it.

If we mislynch, mafia follow up on it. We make the decisions, mafia capitalize.

If we no-lynch, mafia has to make the decision. We get to capitalize on the info that gives us.

What info? Mafia kills someone, you learn a discarded role, and then what? Not lynch the person who drew the kill even though he or she has a new role and possibly a new alignment?

New role, sure. New alignment, not super likely, unless this game is completely broken. If people can't defect FROM scum, then most aren't likely to defect TO scum.

Then again, in that unlikely circumstance, if that person they nightkilled doesn't get nightkilled the next night, we might think something's up.

Mafia will be setting the pace, giving us something to go off of. Not much, but it's something.

You may not think it's worth it. You may be right. But these are not normal circumstances, and it's worth thinking about.

That's demonstrably false though.

Hosts sometimes use dead civilians to replace back into their games, and sometimes those civilians come back in as mafia.

You can't have a lynched mafia come back as a civilian, because that breaks the game. The other way does not break the game. A lynched civilian might also come back as an independent or a serial killer.

Correct. I don't see what the issue is.

If town can come back as scum, and scum can't come back as town, then the former (a scum recruitment) CANNOT happen often. For game balance. Mafia teams need to be a reasonable size. Example: If you have 2-3 mafia between the 11 of us, that's fine. 4 is too many, because 1 mislynch puts us in 'MYLO'. 1 is too few. So we could have 2 mafia and one recruitment, maybe.
Look at the odds and tell me that more than 1 specific townie could be reborn as scum.

Indies are a whole nother ballgame, but some down to the same problem as town. If we lynch them, or scum kill them, then it's likely they'll die again soon.

I don't understand your meaning here:

Then again, in that unlikely circumstance, if that person they nightkilled doesn't get nightkilled the next night, we might think something's up.

I think you are assuming that mafia will just kill the person who got lynched that Day. Is that what you're thinking? If so, that would be incredibly short-sighted, given that the person who just got lynched might draw the attention of a protector.

So we lynch someone because we genuinely want them dead, and then a townie protects them? That'd be stupid. We lynch people because we want them dead.

Mechanics.

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Will the dead return
the moment they are killed off
Or will they delay

This is important.

Mechanics.

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For all you know, speedchuck, there could be two active mafia in BTSC right now. One here and one in the other tribe. That could easily mean three potential recruits from the dead coming back evil.

What I am saying is that you cannot make assumptions about what mafia will do with their kills because of assumptions you are making regarding the setup.

It would be hilarious, then, if the 3 recruits slipped the radar and we lynched the two mafia early.

But I suppose we can wait and see.

If there are a lot of recruits, then our lynches might backfire even more catastrophically.

Mechanics.

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speedchuck
Long Con
sprityo
S~V~S
Quin
Epignosis
nutella
Dragon D Luffy
Dharmahelper
colonialbob
dom

Readlist

Unsubstantiated Rainbow.

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If you can, explain
Why my name is in yellow
on your silly list.

It is kinda hard
to get a solid read on you
Good haikus though.

Hedges on DH.

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Whoa poll ends in like less than 10 minutes

Fluff.

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[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

I could go for this

Votes DDL.
No reasons given.

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Or that. Epi, you and I are the only ones here with 3 minutes left. I'll vote wherever you do to set up another second place lynch that isn't sprityo or SVS

Colludes with Epi.

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Yeah, okay

Colludes with Epi.

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[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Follows Epi in voting Quin.
No reasons given.

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I'd rather lynch DDL or Dom, but I'm okay with a Quin lynch.

infamous post on DDL and me where he says he's okay with lynching Quin (green on his rainbow) over DDL or me (yellow on his rainbow).

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I didn't realize the poll would be ending at this time.

Sorta feel bad for Quin. He's asleep

Kind of... regrets voting Quin?

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How's this: Epi and chuck have BTSC and speedchuck didn't send in a haiku. It could explain both contradictions, since it seemed I was the only one with enough votes to save speed. I do think there is value is distancing as civilians who have BTSC.

linki: yeah, why not?

and just to elaborate, speed has sprityo as a strong townread, so it was me or...nobody.

Sounds about right. Though I read sprit as town, and thought this might be trickle down, sooo I think between this and epis posts, you guys can figure my reasons.

On phone. I'm okay with no lynch happening. See you guys tomorrow

???

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And now that my life doesn't depend on it, I can reveal...

That I totally did submit a poem, guys. I'm just weird.

k

fluff.

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I'd rather lynch DDL or Dom, but I'm okay with a Quin lynch.

literally what the fresh hell is this post and why hasn't speedchuck cared to explain the shit out of it?

What's wrong with it?

Defense against my accusations.

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(im sure you have a cool role too)

Overall after catching up, this game is gonna be tough, because everyone talking looks pretty damn civ to me, minus a few transgressions. The most apparent issue was the circa day end when quin got +2 votes.

Also i think the following people are town.

SVS
Epi
Speedchuck
Long Con

Unclear what the point of this post is.

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The only way that having 2 roles does NOT benefit scum is if we commit to every lynch. Mathematically.

Lynching someone opens them up to lynch or nightkill. It takes us two lynches to kill someone. It takes us TWO lynches. If we mislynch, mafia can kill the mislynchee instantly. Would they do that?

"Of course," Long Con says. "After all, killing someone else would supply a townfirm."

Right. So Mafia will probably finish the job for us. Unless they don't. In the case that our lynched dude is scum, they'll kill someone else. This leads us to kill the dude again, and they can finish the job on that other person, bringing us back to square one.

Basically, for game balance and assurance that mafia won't just wipe the floor with us, both sides will, by nature, double down. Which is dumb, because it means the second roles we are given aren't worth a flying flip darn tootin' skippy, except for a last night action before biting the dust. In addition, the roles of these players that get doubled down on won't be revealed if they get nightkilled (we'll know they aren't scum, but that's all).

AM I MISSING ANYTHING?

By night killing other options, the mafia is providing itself with a chance to grow.

Alignments don't change.

Common sense.

Otherwise, we lynch a mafia, they become town, they get their team lynched, GG.

Did you even read the setup?

Alignments change.

I may have skimmed it.

The third time speedchuck has confused that alignments change...

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I'd rather lynch DDL or Dom, but I'm okay with a Quin lynch.

literally what the fresh hell is this post and why hasn't speedchuck cared to explain the shit out of it?

What's wrong with it?

compare this with your bullshit rainbow and i am at a loss as to any of your rationale.

D1 + going along with Epi to make a lynch happen + Not wanting Sprit to die because of some thing that were said after the rainbow + EOD craziness and a deadline that snuck up on me + nobody being around but Epi + Me wanting to do something with my vote = THAT

I do not see the problem

Self defense.

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I'd rather lynch DDL or Dom, but I'm okay with a Quin lynch.

literally what the fresh hell is this post and why hasn't speedchuck cared to explain the shit out of it?

What's wrong with it?

compare this with your bullshit rainbow and i am at a loss as to any of your rationale.

D1 + going along with Epi to make a lynch happen + Not wanting Sprit to die because of some thing that were said after the rainbow + EOD craziness and a deadline that snuck up on me + nobody being around but Epi + Me wanting to do something with my vote = THAT

I do not see the problem

"Don't look at me, I just went along with Epignosis!"

That's not what I said.

"No puppet. You're the puppet."

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(im sure you have a cool role too)

Overall after catching up, this game is gonna be tough, because everyone talking looks pretty damn civ to me, minus a few transgressions. The most apparent issue was the circa day end when quin got +2 votes.

Also i think the following people are town.

SVS
Epi
Speedchuck
Long Con

You are all over you and Epi being considered as town, but he feels the EOD was weird? It WAS weird. VERY WEIRD. I am still way up in the air as to you, but Epi feels mostly town to me, minus any grammar based suspects. But what he did at EOD WAS weird. What you did WAS weird. Based on some of your own posts, even you seem to think it was a bit weird. Thinking someone did something questionable while also thinking they are likely not bad are not necessarily mutually exclusive things.

I don't disagree with you, but maybe I should have highlighted different things.

"everybody talking looks pretty damn civ to me" - talking about his difficulty finding scum reads
"The most apparent issue was the circa day end" - the one issue that doesn't look 'pretty damn civ'
Town:
Epi and speedchuck

I want to hear Sprityo's response, thanks.

Epi and himself are civ.

no reasons given.

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What's wrong with it?

compare this with your bullshit rainbow and i am at a loss as to any of your rationale.

D1 + going along with Epi to make a lynch happen + Not wanting Sprit to die because of some thing that were said after the rainbow + EOD craziness and a deadline that snuck up on me + nobody being around but Epi + Me wanting to do something with my vote = THAT

I do not see the problem

"Don't look at me, I just went along with Epignosis!"

That's not what I said.

It was quite literally the first thing you said.

I guess all of the rest of it doesn't matter then.

Self defense.

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(im sure you have a cool role too)

Overall after catching up, this game is gonna be tough, because everyone talking looks pretty damn civ to me, minus a few transgressions. The most apparent issue was the circa day end when quin got +2 votes.

Also i think the following people are town.

SVS
Epi
Speedchuck
Long Con

You are all over you and Epi being considered as town, but he feels the EOD was weird? It WAS weird. VERY WEIRD. I am still way up in the air as to you, but Epi feels mostly town to me, minus any grammar based suspects. But what he did at EOD WAS weird. What you did WAS weird. Based on some of your own posts, even you seem to think it was a bit weird. Thinking someone did something questionable while also thinking they are likely not bad are not necessarily mutually exclusive things.

I don't disagree with you, but maybe I should have highlighted different things.

"everybody talking looks pretty damn civ to me" - talking about his difficulty finding scum reads
"The most apparent issue was the circa day end" - the one issue that doesn't look 'pretty damn civ'
Town:
Epi and speedchuck

I want to hear Sprityo's response, thanks.

I am hopeful you will hear his response, but you will have to sit through mine as well as anyone else who might be intrigued by your new direction

Now after making a big production out of not lynching him yesterday, now you want to ask him pointed questions demanding responses? Whatevs, we will see what the night brings.

If you're expecting me to literally clear someone as town on N1, you'll be disappointed.

And I'd prefer that he respond first. Where I come from, answering questions or subtle suspicions that are aimed at a player, before they can answer them, is considered -EV (estimated value) play. I can't pressure someone and get a genuine response out of them to scumhunt if some other fellow with no stake in the question comes up and makes excuses or answers for him. Please, let me do my thing, and question me afterward.

"Let me scumhunt"

Has not scum hunted.

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What is the estimated value of trying to lynch someone you think is a civ

You're clearly ignoring my content, based on your sarcastic repetition. If you honestly still don't understand, I'd advise rereading my posts until your eyes are bleary.

Self defense.

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What is the estimated value of trying to lynch someone you think is a civ

You're clearly ignoring my content, based on your sarcastic repetition. If you honestly still don't understand, I'd advise rereading my posts until your eyes are bleary.

Put another way why did you feel more comfortable following Epi into a Quin vote when you could have just as easily suggested he vote with you, for me, someone that was "yellow" on your list. Instead the two of you voted for a "mild" "green" suspect.

I didn't. I would have been more comfortable if we'd voted for you in first place.

But I didn't have time to poll Epi on his options and desires to compare notes, because I realized the deadline too late.
And it wouldn't have been a whole lot more comfortable, as going from the lightest of townreads to a null read on D1 isn't a big jump.
And also only beating out Sprityo by one vote isn't super comfortable (vote manipulating roles), making Quin a better option.

Self defense.

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Speedchuck ignored his rainbow list because he doesn't care about it, it's not real, he doesn't actually trust or suspect anyone he put on that list in any color, he just wanted to look productive and he is bad.

Kay.

So, if I'm bad, what is my logic behind anything I've done this dayphase? Just saying that it doesn't hold town logic is bad. Where is the scum logic?
"Wanted to look productive."
Psh. I'm pretty good at blending when bad. Let me give you some meta context.

I just got out of two scum games and a town game. MK, LOTR, and Buffy.

Scum: I survived in MK until I alignment claimed, with only Mac and maybe Dunya voicing suspicion along the way. Nothing gained any traction. I survived in LOTR by making posts, giving effort, and laying low. Typical scum games for me. Clean, smart, calculated (except for the alignment claim. Don't ask.)

Town: I survived in Buffy as town because my D1 play was crappy and my BTSC partner wasted his role protecting me. Then I gambited in order not to be lynched, despite having a lynchproof I forgot about, got lynched anyway and survived. I then vigged two townies, wrote off the ENTIRE EFFING SCUMTEAM as town, and lost the game, despite having gut scumreads on some of the baddies in early game. It was a crapshoot, and I made some weird choices, especially in the early days.

Tell me, which one of these recent games more matches my behavior in this game?

If you think I'm good enough to calculate my horrendous town game and put on an act, then i thank you for the compliment. But I LIKE having little suspicion. I LIKE playing scum games and being the supahtown smart guy. I LIKE being on top of things. But I'm not a good enough hunter to do that as town.

You can hate self-calls to meta if you want, but the fact of the matter is: if I were scum, I'd have an inkling of an idea what I'm doing.

"My meta says I'm civ."

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You can hate self-calls to meta if you want, but the fact of the matter is: if I were scum, I'd have an inkling of an idea what I'm doing.

I could give a rats ass about a different game, role, and affiliation.

Well, I did allow for this.

Fluff.

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Explain your issue because I’m not seeing it.

What I was saying was everybody actively participating hasn’t given me a bad feeling. And what with all the he talk about how you guys jumped to quin was what the “issue” is. Now I don’t see it as something major, more minor really. But I would still consider you and Epi as town thus far.

I’m not sure if that’s the response you’re looking for

It was.

I just wanted some clarification on what you meant by 'issue'

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guys. epi didn't want sprityo to get lynched. because sprityo is a civilian. this is not fucking complicated

"Sprityo is a civilian"

Don't you mean "Epi thought sprityo was a civilian"?

No. sprityo is a civilian.

I guess that's one way to avoid TMI. Double down.

Are you certain?

Sprit is civ right right right???
Still have no idea who he thinks is bad.

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And by that, I mean, gimme a percentage.

addendum to last post.

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Nah I just really really think he's town for mostly the same reasons Epi does. I'd give it like 90%.

Awww.

Fluff.

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I actually feel better about Sprit overall, but worse about Nutella. She just slipped away from DDL's point, and put a surety as an opinion. Who knows who is civ? Baddies. BUT we don't know how many baddies there are, so I would assume they do not either unless it is one very big bad team, then they might know.

I don't know how I feel about this. I am going to reread this thread in case it goes away with the night post.

Yeah, DDL pointed it out as TMI. Nutella doubled down, and then when I questioned to see how sure she was (implicitly sussing out some kind of civ connection), she backed off inconsistently.

Is weird.

Is weird.

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It is obvious to me that the mafia have already been caught, the only question is which of the people that have been caught are mafia?

You and nutella.

Suspects DH and nutella..... no reasons given.

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I hope they lynched someone. Pikachu 4 lyfe.

Fluff.

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Maybe the mafia is spread across tribes and the only nightkill was over there?

But no, they had a lynch as well.

I am thinking there was a failed nightkill on Pikaside.

Mechanics.

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So no death in here
How many syllables are
in Nijus full name?

I will not need more
than seventeen syllables
to give my gut reads

Good thing I am not
really a great case builder
I do talk too much

Well that solves my next question of who got cursed

Did we come to the conclusion that Refrigerator was a mafia role or no?

Looks pro-town to me.

Mechanics.

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[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

Votes me. Not one of the two suspects just given, with no reason.

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Maybe the mafia is spread across tribes and the only nightkill was over there?

But no, they had a lynch as well.

I am thinking there was a failed nightkill on Pikaside.

How do you know this?

I am making assumptions.

Describe to me what their tribe is doing if not lynching anyone.

Mechanics.

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WOULD NOT LYNCH D2
sprityo
Epignosis
nutella
Quin

WOULD LYNCH D2
Dragon D Luffy
colonialbob
Dharmahelper
dom

It's as simple as that, folks.

LC is off the poll, SVS is out so long as she haikus, and I'm not lynching myself. Here's my line in the freaking sand, boys.

Nutella switches sides and he creates a suspect list.
No reasons given.

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Maybe the mafia is spread across tribes and the only nightkill was over there?

But no, they had a lynch as well.

I am thinking there was a failed nightkill on Pikaside.

How do you know this?

I am making assumptions.

Describe to me what their tribe is doing if not lynching anyone.

That doesn't read like an assumption to me.

It's less assumption and more "I'm not a moron when it comes to game balance, so this is true."

@Quin It's not. I was considering the possibility that mafia had only one nightkill, between the mafia spread. The spread was a prerequisite to my supposition. I was considering the single kill.

But for balance, that would mean there needs to be a single lynch, and that would be dumb.

Mechanics.

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Where is Vaseline
to tell Chuck how voting for
low posters is bad?

DDL and DH are in there as well.

That post isn't about high/low posters. I'm 85%+ certain on every person in those top four being non-scum. You would be on the bottom list too, as would LC.

SVS and LC join me, DDL, bob, and DH.

No reasons given.

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I'd prefer not to lynch DH just so Negan remains in the tribe.

Unclear on what this means.

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When using targeted abilities, you may only target people on your tribe.

Either

1. The mafia are all on the other tribe
2. The mafia's killer is on the other tribe
3. The mafia are allowed to send in a kill as a team and just didn't want to kill anyone from over here
4. Two or more mafias exist and the one over here got blocked



Am I missing anything?

5. There is no mafia

So long as we're considering all options.

Fluff.

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YOU VOTED FOR QUIN
YESTERDAY, NOW HE'S OK
SUDDENLY? How so?

linki at chuck
you posted a vote for Dom
lowest live poster

I'm willing to change it. Where to, oh unlynchable one?

Quin's posted more since D1. My quindar is on point.

linki: You guys are funny.

Quin is good for (no) reasons.

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I'm actually in a particular position today where getting lynched might prove me town, even without an alignment reveal.

That apparently means jack squat when compared to my second life, otherwise I'd consider it.

Mechanics as self defense.

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I can say with confidence that somewhere in this thread someone made a very serious slip.

Is it you?

Because I'm not seeing it.

questions dh, rightly.

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an actual waffle.

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I can say with confidence that somewhere in this thread someone made a very serious slip.

huh really how much confidence? in my experience slips are usually not really a thing, like I don't think I've seen an actual slip in years but I could be wrong

100% confidence. This person was surprisingly reckless.

Reckless, huh?

That sounds like me, but I'm town, so...

self defense.

I haven't a read
on Dom, but you voted for
the lowest poster

Dom, who said that your
rainbow was bullshit, and now
you voted for him

No u much Chucky?
Why do you suspect him, Dom,
specifically?

I'm willing to vote for anyone in the four that I mentioned.

Dom is the one that I want to see more from at the moment.

Granted, Dom isn't the only one who dissed my beautiful rainbow. I forgot he did that. Are you sure that wasn't DH? Regardless.

If you've got a single reason for me not to vote Dom, please provide.

"Why shouldn't I vote for Dom?"

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Maybe the mafia is spread across tribes and the only nightkill was over there?

But no, they had a lynch as well.

I am thinking there was a failed nightkill on Pikaside.

Were you going anywhere with the "failed nightkill" theory?

And if the other side had a lynch as well, wouldn't we find out who was lynched, like we found out about the nijuu nightkill? I think that kind of works against the idea that this was a slip.

1. Not explicitly.

2. They were under Haiku law as well.

Mechannics.

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I haven't a read
on Dom, but you voted for
the lowest poster

Dom, who said that your
rainbow was bullshit, and now
you voted for him

No u much Chucky?
Why do you suspect him, Dom,
specifically?

I'm willing to vote for anyone in the four that I mentioned.

Dom is the one that I want to see more from at the moment.

Granted, Dom isn't the only one who dissed my beautiful rainbow. I forgot he did that. Are you sure that wasn't DH? Regardless.

If you've got a single reason for me not to vote Dom, please provide.

Voting Dom is not
my problem and I think that
you know this Speedchuck

My problems the vote
right off the bat for a guy
for a weak sauce reason

I am haikued out
I am going to vote now
Aubergine Speedchuck

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I think it is your problem. I think this is Buffy all over again. And I think you're town for it.

Buffy this buffy that.
...

[Dom]

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By "status quo," I mean that mafia were satisfied with the existing state of affairs in the other tribe, such that they did not feel the need to take down a loudmouth civilian who was raising hell and pointing fingers.

To be fair, it wouldn't get rid of the player.

Epi's theory talk.

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Perhaps its an off on situation where since we're separated into tribes, the mafia can only kill on certain nights

Then town would have 2 lynches for each mafia kill. Presumably.

Look at where we are in the game. 2 lynches each day. 2 kills per night. 2 lives per player. I'm hardly making assumptions. This is basic, assuming that the people in the other thread have something to do. The lynches sure as heck aren't alternating, so the kills aren't either.

Mechanics.

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Epi's nightkill analysis assumes that mafia teams have chat across the divide. I'm not willing to rely on it entirely, but I am willing to use it.

@Epignosis Who would you consider a go-along-to-get-along mafia player?

Epi's thoery.

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Epignosis Who would you consider a go-along-to-get-along mafia player?

Please avoid the mention feature when you want me to address something. I tend to have technical issues with it. Just ask and I'll get to it, because I do read all posts.

Let me do some digging and think about this.

Sorry, forgot about that.

Not sure this was followed up on....

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I'd rather here others share their opinions of go-along-get-along mafia before I share mine.

Hm.

I feel no shame in saying that I'm one. I don't provide input on scumkills unless asked. Part of that is my limited access to Chatzy when you guys use that instead of quicktopic or something.

Can't really speak for anyone else, for that same reason.

Epi's theory talk.

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I haven't a read
on Dom, but you voted for
the lowest poster

Dom, who said that your
rainbow was bullshit, and now
you voted for him

No u much Chucky?
Why do you suspect him, Dom,
specifically?

I'm willing to vote for anyone in the four that I mentioned.

Dom is the one that I want to see more from at the moment.

Granted, Dom isn't the only one who dissed my beautiful rainbow. I forgot he did that. Are you sure that wasn't DH? Regardless.

If you've got a single reason for me not to vote Dom, please provide.

Why are you looking for reasons to not vote dom... should you not look for reasons TO vote for someone?

It's like you've made up your mind that you are going to vote for me.

It's not like that at all.

I've POE'd me a list for today. You're on it. So are other people. Who do YOU think I should vote for?
I'm getting kinda tired of being suspected for voting early. If I had voted for any of the other three on my list, I guarantee that I would have gotten just as much kickback. Votes are changeable. React, suspect, hunt, solve, instead of complaining that I clicked a poll option.

I get that you're busy, though, Dom. I will endeavor not to be sarcastic about anything there. I like playing with you.

"Maybe Dom isn't someone I wanna fuck with. Not an easy lynch... damn..."

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It's not like that at all.

I've POE'd me a list for today. You're on it. So are other people. Who do YOU think I should vote for?
I'm getting kinda tired of being suspected for voting early. If I had voted for any of the other three on my list, I guarantee that I would have gotten just as much kickback. Votes are changeable. React, suspect, hunt, solve, instead of complaining that I clicked a poll option.

I get that you're busy, though, Dom. I will endeavor not to be sarcastic about anything there. I like playing with you.

You mentioned a suspicion of me on Day 1.... was that POE as well?

For the most part.

I think, at the time, I was listing players that I had no reason to think were town.

On the bright side, I'm wanting to move my vote rightabout now.

I'm apparently not awake yet.

"Hey Dom, so suddenly I suspect you a lot less...."

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Don't be coy, speedchuck - you're implying that you have reason to think Dom is town now, right? Share, baby!

No, not this time. No coyness. I just like his showing today so far.

I mean, no mechanical reason, that is.

"Dom is totally civ guys"

So... who's bad and why the change of heart?

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Gut Civ read. Maybe based on his reactions to the thing I'm not acknowledging?

What thing?

(Yes, mostly)

Oh reaction to the thing... right... the thing.

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Part of me is saying that you are looking to curry favour from the newly-active Dom, based on the reality that you currently have two votes, and no one else does. You need some allies out here.

I'm not that worried about it. If I stay alive, I can hunt. If I flip, my last posts/role will provide some good information, and I'll still be in the game.

No no no. Not buddying Dom at ally! I swears it!!

Anyway, if I flip, you'll get some good info (weird-- you seemed to indicate that your role wasn't cool earlier).

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Care to elucidate?

You may not do anything which could amount to info dumping.

No? Also I don't know how your quoted text is relevant. That was D1, and has nothing to do with my role.

I ask him to elucidate on suspicions. He obfuscates on role info.

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I dunno, though. I get a little leery when people pressure a person, vote them, push them, and then complain when they defend themselves.
You also posted an absurd absolute there.
I have posted a lot of mechanics and a moderate amount of self-defense. I have also posted reads, both as a group and in response to others. Some of those reads have my reasoning behind them. Based on the posts in this game, where I stand on everyone in the game is more clear than anyone else's stand. Except DH.

I don't like it when a person pressures a player, votes them, pushes them, and then complains when they defend themselves.

Hey speedchuck-- is that not exactly what you did to me?

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speedchuck, if you have so many reads, why don't I have an inkling of a clue of who you might vote for?

I suppose you aren't actually reading my posts?

I honestly don't know how to answer this.

Me: So... like... I have no idea who you suspect.
Speedchuck: Do you even read my posts
Narrator: anyone who had truly had no idea what speedchuck was talking about.




This is where I leave off because this is where I was up to.


And the next post appears to be a player by player analysis.

[Dom]

that took me forever.

now to read what i missed.

[nutella]

OH jesus lord please use vertical space I cannot read a thing

[Dom]

colonialbob - I hate to say this, since he's my one buddy who has said he won't vote me today, but here goes. cBob has 20 posts. First, empty haikus. Then a vote on sprit. Then an easy suspicion on DH, which he backs off of with minimal engagement, soon as DH gave him what he said he wanted. Then an easy suspicion of me, which he quickly backed off of again. The reason I call these suspicions 'easy' is because they are not based on mafia motive. One was 'not playing optimally' and the other a 'slip.' cBob is trying to look like hunting without actually finding scum behavior or pursuing suspicions. [VOTE: colonialBob] aubergine

Dragon D Luffy - spends time earning points for fighting round robin. Has about the same amount of content as cbob. His is better-looking, but he has nearly twice as many posts. Compatible teammate for cbob.

Dharmahelper - Stubborn. Repetitive. Alignment indicative? The only meta I have in mind on DH is from Survivor. Not helpful. Compatible teammate for cbob.

dom - Dom has actually been doing pretty well today, aside from a couple of quibbles I have with his approach to me. I had no read on him going into today. For a while it seemed like he was engaging me, but now I feel more like he's making sure I stay down, burdened with this scumread stuff. Dunno. Nature of the oppressed, my read is biased. After reading the others, I'm happy to leave him alone.

Epignosis - I felt really good about Epi going into today. He engaged me on my mechanic speculation in a way that was pro-town. My speculation could have been used to discourage town, complain, or make empathetic arguments. He didn't do that. He countered and suggested the most pr-town way of looking at things IMO.
Today is different. Not gonna talk about it. Don't feel great about it. Not sure if read or not.

Long Con - Not on the poll, so I haven't been paying much attention to this read. I don't see any reason for him NOT to be scum. Doing a lot this game, though. I'd like him to be town.

nutella - town. Waffley, but town. Hard to say why. 90% certain.

Quin - I'm pretty good at tonereading quin, most of the time. I like him this game. His reaction to the lynch seemed very genuine.

speedchuck - town - 100% certain

sprityo - town - 85% certain

S~V~S - Her approach to hunting is the same as it was in Buffy, before she was recruited. I see the same thought processes and the same determination. In Buffy she fell off of that approach, and I thought it was because I was townfirmed to her and she lost confidence. Nope. She was scum.

I recognize that some of these reads are more substantiated than others. Deal with it.

This is what I'm talking about.

Talk to me about DDL.

I do think you slipped. I just think I know why, and it doesn't mean you're mafia. In fact it's pretty strong evidence you aren't.

Who is this directed at and what is this about?

[DharmaHelper]

Aubergine vote tags
Are at least bearable now
Sorry for my fit.

[nutella]

dom wtf was the purpose of doing that

[nutella]

like... is that supposed to be a case??

[colonialbob]

I do think you slipped. I just think I know why, and it doesn't mean you're mafia. In fact it's pretty strong evidence you aren't.

I want to know what you mean by this.

I think your "the other thread had a lynch" was not an assumption.

The fact that you said getting lynched today could prove you're town makes me think the fact that it wasn't an assumption is not because you have BTSC with mafia members in the other thread.

[Dom]

It shows that speedchuck truly has not had a substantiated opinion on anyone until i pressed him to.

but he had no problem moving people from civ to bad on a whim.

wants no accountability is the indication there.

[colonialbob]

I do think you slipped. I just think I know why, and it doesn't mean you're mafia. In fact it's pretty strong evidence you aren't.

I want to know what you mean by this.

I think your "the other thread had a lynch" was not an assumption.

The fact that you said getting lynched today could prove you're town makes me think the fact that it wasn't an assumption is not because you have BTSC with mafia members in the other thread.

Yikes that's terrible syntax.

I think I know how you know the other thread had a lynch, and it isn't because you were talking to mafiamates in the other thread.

[Dom]

I do think you slipped. I just think I know why, and it doesn't mean you're mafia. In fact it's pretty strong evidence you aren't.

I want to know what you mean by this.

I think your "the other thread had a lynch" was not an assumption.

The fact that you said getting lynched today could prove you're town makes me think the fact that it wasn't an assumption is not because you have BTSC with mafia members in the other thread.

wut

[DharmaHelper]

Yes Dom, join me in the Accountability police,

[speedchuck]

DDL:

Post #1: Excuses a future lack of activity. Not alignment indicative.
Post #2: Corrects the number of roles in another game.
Posts #3-#17: Anti-round-robin. Even suggests lynching himself, saying that would be better than round robin. Despite saying that he sent in a haiku earlier. No hunting in this, just a suggestion that people hunt. I don't disagree with his posts, but they contain nothing that makes me think 'town' either. A common tactic I use as scum is arguing fervently against a scumhunting tactic, which makes me look good without doing scumhunting.
Post #18: Off-topic comment about epi.
Post #19: Comment about the setup, that mafia might have non-btsc players that defect to town.
Post #20: Votes speedchuck for being low-key (I hadn't posted much at the time.)
Post #21: Calls back to post #1, signs off.
Post #22-#23: Continues arguing about alignment changes.
Post #24: Casts shade on LC for being proactive, since LC's past 3 town games have been lackluster.
Post #25: Clarifies that he argued with Cbob (our unlynchable D6 target), but doesn't scumread him or townread him
Post #26: Says that votes jumping around at EOD isn't suspicious as of late.
Post #27: calls nutella out on a 'slip' where she said Sprit was town instead of 'Epi thinks sprit is town.'
Post #28: Throws away DH's observations about the Quin lynch, says the reasoning was logical, suspects speedchuck anyway because 'gut'
Post #29: Is flattered by nutella calling him a high contributor
Post #30: Jokes about rainbow-ing unrelated players in... the other tribe I think?
Post #31: "Game has a good ratio of players posting" - off topic
Post #32: Again states that people changing votes at EOD is normal.
Post #33: Still feeling bad about speedchuck but not as bad as D1 (How does this make sense?) Feels worse about nutella. (okay then. The slip? Why?) Votes nutella. Eggplant.
Post #34: More excusing EOD vote changes.

This is a summary of DDL's posts, with very little commentary. I greened the off-topic stuff and colored the mechanic speculation. Previewedit: Ugh those colors clash.

Where is DDL's head at? What has he done, other than
-throw shade
-excuse any actual actions in this game
-feel bad about people

At least cBob has called people out on specific things. DDL has not taken any action, post, or omission in this game and called it scummy.

[speedchuck]

I do think you slipped. I just think I know why, and it doesn't mean you're mafia. In fact it's pretty strong evidence you aren't.

I want to know what you mean by this.

I think your "the other thread had a lynch" was not an assumption.

The fact that you said getting lynched today could prove you're town makes me think the fact that it wasn't an assumption is not because you have BTSC with mafia members in the other thread.

Yikes that's terrible syntax.

I think I know how you know the other thread had a lynch, and it isn't because you were talking to mafiamates in the other thread.

I appreciate that you figured that idea out.

You're wrong though. I've been taking your very approach in calculating my reads, not even very subtly, but you have the wrong target. I will be townsly for a different reason. (Assuming I understand the idea that you're orbiting. I'm tiptoeing with this nasty claiming business.)

[sprityo]

Dom I know you’ve been focusing on beating the shit out of Speedchuck and a little bit of Epi, but what’s your take on the rest of the players so far? You don’t really need to include SVS, LC, or Cbob since they can’t be lynched today if that makes the task easier for you

[sprityo]

Also, maybe to just me but, the way I’ve read what Dom has recently said sound more so aggressive-defense than saying “X is bad because-“ So it doesn’t really make me feel like he is more civilian it just leaves me at unknown what to think. Albeit I like him posting something, even if it’s the tidal wave of destruction that makes me scared of Dom

[colonialbob]

I do think you slipped. I just think I know why, and it doesn't mean you're mafia. In fact it's pretty strong evidence you aren't.

I want to know what you mean by this.

I think your "the other thread had a lynch" was not an assumption.

The fact that you said getting lynched today could prove you're town makes me think the fact that it wasn't an assumption is not because you have BTSC with mafia members in the other thread.

Yikes that's terrible syntax.

I think I know how you know the other thread had a lynch, and it isn't because you were talking to mafiamates in the other thread.

I appreciate that you figured that idea out.

You're wrong though. I've been taking your very approach in calculating my reads, not even very subtly, but you have the wrong target. I will be townsly for a different reason. (Assuming I understand the idea that you're orbiting. I'm tiptoeing with this nasty claiming business.)

Aw, I was feeling all smart.

[S~V~S]

like... is that supposed to be a case??

I believe it is
What do you find so awful?
Others are like it

I will leave my vote
Where it is for now; I am
at full peace with it

I would consider
A nutella vote as well
I need to catch up

Haiku is harder
for New Yorkers; our English
Has more syllables

[Dom]

Dom I know you’ve been focusing on beating the shit out of Speedchuck and a little bit of Epi, but what’s your take on the rest of the players so far? You don’t really need to include SVS, LC, or Cbob since they can’t be lynched today if that makes the task easier for you

At first I was feeling good about nutella, but i don't like her acting as epi's mouth piece.

I await DDL's response to speedchuck.

I like that speedchuck is substantiating.

I feel good about you.

undecided on quin.

Also, maybe to just me but, the way I’ve read what Dom has recently said sound more so aggressive-defense than saying “X is bad because-“ So it doesn’t really make me feel like he is more civilian it just leaves me at unknown what to think. Albeit I like him posting something, even if it’s the tidal wave of destruction that makes me scared of Dom

[Golden]

Haiku is harder
for New Yorkers; our English
Has more syllables

Something that I do
Try to imagine my words
in other accents

It's hard to find words
With the same syllable count
for all and sundry!

[DharmaHelper]

No dom we must crush speedchuck together

[nutella]

"acting as epi's mouth piece" what

[Dom]

An observation
Twice now Nut interpreted
Epi for others

First re Sprityo and
Townness surety,
Again chiding Dom

While I was on break
Has Nut become the forum
Epi whisperer ?

[Dom]

No dom we must crush speedchuck together

What do you think of his substantiated posts?

[DharmaHelper]

No dom we must crush speedchuck together

What do you think of his substantiated posts?

I think if you call someone out for not being accountable, and they immediately follow up with some slapdash accountability, it doesn't matter. They're caught

[Dom]

No dom we must crush speedchuck together

What do you think of his substantiated posts?

I think if you call someone out for not being accountable, and they immediately follow up with some slapdash accountability, it doesn't matter. They're caught

It doesn't change that they've made points.

What do you think of them?

[DharmaHelper]

No dom we must crush speedchuck together

What do you think of his substantiated posts?

I think if you call someone out for not being accountable, and they immediately follow up with some slapdash accountability, it doesn't matter. They're caught

It doesn't change that they've made points.

What do you think of them?

They're not....good....

[Dom]

Why

[nutella]

An observation
Twice now Nut interpreted
Epi for others

First re Sprityo and
Townness surety,
Again chiding Dom

While I was on break
Has Nut become the forum
Epi whisperer ?

Yeah I responded to that already. substantiate your accusation please.

[DharmaHelper]

Spoiler: show

DDL:

Post #1: Excuses a future lack of activity. Not alignment indicative.
Post #2: Corrects the number of roles in another game.
Posts #3-#17: Anti-round-robin. Even suggests lynching himself, saying that would be better than round robin. Despite saying that he sent in a haiku earlier. No hunting in this, just a suggestion that people hunt. I don't disagree with his posts, but they contain nothing that makes me think 'town' either. A common tactic I use as scum is arguing fervently against a scumhunting tactic, which makes me look good without doing scumhunting.
Post #18: Off-topic comment about epi.
Post #19: Comment about the setup, that mafia might have non-btsc players that defect to town.
Post #20: Votes speedchuck for being low-key (I hadn't posted much at the time.)
Post #21: Calls back to post #1, signs off.
Post #22-#23: Continues arguing about alignment changes.
Post #24: Casts shade on LC for being proactive, since LC's past 3 town games have been lackluster.
Post #25: Clarifies that he argued with Cbob (our unlynchable D6 target), but doesn't scumread him or townread him
Post #26: Says that votes jumping around at EOD isn't suspicious as of late.
Post #27: calls nutella out on a 'slip' where she said Sprit was town instead of 'Epi thinks sprit is town.'
Post #28: Throws away DH's observations about the Quin lynch, says the reasoning was logical, suspects speedchuck anyway because 'gut'
Post #29: Is flattered by nutella calling him a high contributor
Post #30: Jokes about rainbow-ing unrelated players in... the other tribe I think?
Post #31: "Game has a good ratio of players posting" - off topic
Post #32: Again states that people changing votes at EOD is normal.
Post #33: Still feeling bad about speedchuck but not as bad as D1 (How does this make sense?) Feels worse about nutella. (okay then. The slip? Why?) Votes nutella. Eggplant.
Post #34: More excusing EOD vote changes.

This is a summary of DDL's posts, with very little commentary. I greened the off-topic stuff and colored the mechanic speculation. Previewedit: Ugh those colors clash.

Where is DDL's head at? What has he done, other than
-throw shade
-excuse any actual actions in this game
-feel bad about people

At least cBob has called people out on specific things. DDL has not taken any action, post, or omission in this game and called it scummy.

Is this what you mean by extrapolating or whatever the word you used was? He doesn't make any point here. He just summarizes DDL's posts to justify a vote for him. It's a big, color coded post though, so is it supposed to be kosher?

IDK. What is Speedchuck accusing DDL of here? What is Speedchuck's aim? To borrow a phrase, what has speedchuck done other than summarize a guys posts and claim he's doing things that Chuck himself is arguably guilty of?

[S~V~S]

An observation
Twice now Nut interpreted
Epi for others

First re Sprityo and
Townness surety,
Again chiding Dom

While I was on break
Has Nut become the forum
Epi whisperer ?

Not sure what you mean about "interpreting" Epi? I have agreed with him, sure. I haven't answered questions for him. (though I do tend to do that kind of thing sometimes, I think it was either in Buffy or LOTR that Ambray and someone else got annoyed when I answered something about someone that they wanted to hear directly from the person, if I feel like I understand something that people are misinterpreting I like to provide clarity if I can)

You did not address
the point I made, what you said
isn't what I meant

Why did you not ask
me to, um, substantiate
anything myself?

[nutella]

Well I questioned what you meant by "interpreting" rather than "agreeing with." Where have I "interpreted" Epi or "acted as his mouth piece"? I agree with him about Sprityo, what more do you want?

[speedchuck]

Spoiler: show

DDL:

Post #1: Excuses a future lack of activity. Not alignment indicative.
Post #2: Corrects the number of roles in another game.
Posts #3-#17: Anti-round-robin. Even suggests lynching himself, saying that would be better than round robin. Despite saying that he sent in a haiku earlier. No hunting in this, just a suggestion that people hunt. I don't disagree with his posts, but they contain nothing that makes me think 'town' either. A common tactic I use as scum is arguing fervently against a scumhunting tactic, which makes me look good without doing scumhunting.
Post #18: Off-topic comment about epi.
Post #19: Comment about the setup, that mafia might have non-btsc players that defect to town.
Post #20: Votes speedchuck for being low-key (I hadn't posted much at the time.)
Post #21: Calls back to post #1, signs off.
Post #22-#23: Continues arguing about alignment changes.
Post #24: Casts shade on LC for being proactive, since LC's past 3 town games have been lackluster.
Post #25: Clarifies that he argued with Cbob (our unlynchable D6 target), but doesn't scumread him or townread him
Post #26: Says that votes jumping around at EOD isn't suspicious as of late.
Post #27: calls nutella out on a 'slip' where she said Sprit was town instead of 'Epi thinks sprit is town.'
Post #28: Throws away DH's observations about the Quin lynch, says the reasoning was logical, suspects speedchuck anyway because 'gut'
Post #29: Is flattered by nutella calling him a high contributor
Post #30: Jokes about rainbow-ing unrelated players in... the other tribe I think?
Post #31: "Game has a good ratio of players posting" - off topic
Post #32: Again states that people changing votes at EOD is normal.
Post #33: Still feeling bad about speedchuck but not as bad as D1 (How does this make sense?) Feels worse about nutella. (okay then. The slip? Why?) Votes nutella. Eggplant.
Post #34: More excusing EOD vote changes.

This is a summary of DDL's posts, with very little commentary. I greened the off-topic stuff and colored the mechanic speculation. Previewedit: Ugh those colors clash.

Where is DDL's head at? What has he done, other than
-throw shade
-excuse any actual actions in this game
-feel bad about people

At least cBob has called people out on specific things. DDL has not taken any action, post, or omission in this game and called it scummy.

Is this what you mean by extrapolating or whatever the word you used was? He doesn't make any point here. He just summarizes DDL's posts to justify a vote for him. It's a big, color coded post though, so is it supposed to be kosher?

IDK. What is Speedchuck accusing DDL of here? What is Speedchuck's aim? To borrow a phrase, what has speedchuck done other than summarize a guys posts and claim he's doing things that Chuck himself is arguably guilty of?

I know this isn't my conversation, but I'm going to butt in.

1. Read my posts. You can't quote a post where I explain why I'm voting DDL and then ask what I'm accusing him of. That's silly. I literally said in that post that DDL's posts have very little commentary from me. There are words AFTER THE SUMMARY, and it ain't an essay.

2. I have done things. Plenty of things. Your issue with me is accountability. Accountability for THINGS I have done. I'm on DDL for not doing anything that NEEDS accountability. He's laying low and avoiding being called out on something he's committed to. At least I'm doing things, making waves, drowning in them. If I were playing like DDL, I'd be skating by and we wouldn't be having this nice little chat.

3. If you believe that DDL is doing the same thing as me (he's not, but I think changing your mind is like trying to beat down a brick wall with a pool noodle), then why doesn't he merit any suspicion? It's because speedchuck is bad bad bad bad bad bad (sorry, there seems to be an echo in this tunnel)

4. This isn't related to that post, but apparently you believe that once you call someone out for lack of accountability, that magically makes them scum and nothing they do henceforth, regardless of accountability, can change that. If you don't believe that, stop acting like it. Not that I agree with you on accountability, or heck, even the meaning of the word at this point, but regardless of your reasons, this is magical thinking and it's not the good sparkly kind of magic.

And yeah, this post isn't going to help matter, but I like defending myself. It lets me vent all the sarcasm out of my system.

[Quin]

I was reading nutella’s posts. I want to know if she still plans voting for Dom/DDL/Quin today and why

Linki: I mean I haven’t done that DDL, I know you have before

DDL? I said my vote was probably between Dom, Quin, and Speedchuck. Most likely speed I think. I'm pretty sure I was misremembering something about Quin, and Dom is looking town now as far as I can tell (he can fool me though)

So what do you actually think of me though

[sprityo]

Spoiler: show

DDL:

Post #1: Excuses a future lack of activity. Not alignment indicative.
Post #2: Corrects the number of roles in another game.
Posts #3-#17: Anti-round-robin. Even suggests lynching himself, saying that would be better than round robin. Despite saying that he sent in a haiku earlier. No hunting in this, just a suggestion that people hunt. I don't disagree with his posts, but they contain nothing that makes me think 'town' either. A common tactic I use as scum is arguing fervently against a scumhunting tactic, which makes me look good without doing scumhunting.
Post #18: Off-topic comment about epi.
Post #19: Comment about the setup, that mafia might have non-btsc players that defect to town.
Post #20: Votes speedchuck for being low-key (I hadn't posted much at the time.)
Post #21: Calls back to post #1, signs off.
Post #22-#23: Continues arguing about alignment changes.
Post #24: Casts shade on LC for being proactive, since LC's past 3 town games have been lackluster.
Post #25: Clarifies that he argued with Cbob (our unlynchable D6 target), but doesn't scumread him or townread him
Post #26: Says that votes jumping around at EOD isn't suspicious as of late.
Post #27: calls nutella out on a 'slip' where she said Sprit was town instead of 'Epi thinks sprit is town.'
Post #28: Throws away DH's observations about the Quin lynch, says the reasoning was logical, suspects speedchuck anyway because 'gut'
Post #29: Is flattered by nutella calling him a high contributor
Post #30: Jokes about rainbow-ing unrelated players in... the other tribe I think?
Post #31: "Game has a good ratio of players posting" - off topic
Post #32: Again states that people changing votes at EOD is normal.
Post #33: Still feeling bad about speedchuck but not as bad as D1 (How does this make sense?) Feels worse about nutella. (okay then. The slip? Why?) Votes nutella. Eggplant.
Post #34: More excusing EOD vote changes.

This is a summary of DDL's posts, with very little commentary. I greened the off-topic stuff and colored the mechanic speculation. Previewedit: Ugh those colors clash.

Where is DDL's head at? What has he done, other than
-throw shade
-excuse any actual actions in this game
-feel bad about people

At least cBob has called people out on specific things. DDL has not taken any action, post, or omission in this game and called it scummy.

Is this what you mean by extrapolating or whatever the word you used was? He doesn't make any point here. He just summarizes DDL's posts to justify a vote for him. It's a big, color coded post though, so is it supposed to be kosher?

IDK. What is Speedchuck accusing DDL of here? What is Speedchuck's aim? To borrow a phrase, what has speedchuck done other than summarize a guys posts and claim he's doing things that Chuck himself is arguably guilty of?

You say this like Dom didn’t do something similar with quoting every single Speedchuck post and summarizing it

[Quin]

I do think you slipped. I just think I know why, and it doesn't mean you're mafia. In fact it's pretty strong evidence you aren't.

i'm inclined to vote him because of said slip so i'd appreciate an elaboration on this

[DharmaHelper]

Spoiler: show

DDL:

Post #1: Excuses a future lack of activity. Not alignment indicative.
Post #2: Corrects the number of roles in another game.
Posts #3-#17: Anti-round-robin. Even suggests lynching himself, saying that would be better than round robin. Despite saying that he sent in a haiku earlier. No hunting in this, just a suggestion that people hunt. I don't disagree with his posts, but they contain nothing that makes me think 'town' either. A common tactic I use as scum is arguing fervently against a scumhunting tactic, which makes me look good without doing scumhunting.
Post #18: Off-topic comment about epi.
Post #19: Comment about the setup, that mafia might have non-btsc players that defect to town.
Post #20: Votes speedchuck for being low-key (I hadn't posted much at the time.)
Post #21: Calls back to post #1, signs off.
Post #22-#23: Continues arguing about alignment changes.
Post #24: Casts shade on LC for being proactive, since LC's past 3 town games have been lackluster.
Post #25: Clarifies that he argued with Cbob (our unlynchable D6 target), but doesn't scumread him or townread him
Post #26: Says that votes jumping around at EOD isn't suspicious as of late.
Post #27: calls nutella out on a 'slip' where she said Sprit was town instead of 'Epi thinks sprit is town.'
Post #28: Throws away DH's observations about the Quin lynch, says the reasoning was logical, suspects speedchuck anyway because 'gut'
Post #29: Is flattered by nutella calling him a high contributor
Post #30: Jokes about rainbow-ing unrelated players in... the other tribe I think?
Post #31: "Game has a good ratio of players posting" - off topic
Post #32: Again states that people changing votes at EOD is normal.
Post #33: Still feeling bad about speedchuck but not as bad as D1 (How does this make sense?) Feels worse about nutella. (okay then. The slip? Why?) Votes nutella. Eggplant.
Post #34: More excusing EOD vote changes.

This is a summary of DDL's posts, with very little commentary. I greened the off-topic stuff and colored the mechanic speculation. Previewedit: Ugh those colors clash.

Where is DDL's head at? What has he done, other than
-throw shade
-excuse any actual actions in this game
-feel bad about people

At least cBob has called people out on specific things. DDL has not taken any action, post, or omission in this game and called it scummy.

Is this what you mean by extrapolating or whatever the word you used was? He doesn't make any point here. He just summarizes DDL's posts to justify a vote for him. It's a big, color coded post though, so is it supposed to be kosher?

IDK. What is Speedchuck accusing DDL of here? What is Speedchuck's aim? To borrow a phrase, what has speedchuck done other than summarize a guys posts and claim he's doing things that Chuck himself is arguably guilty of?

You say this like Dom didn’t do something similar with quoting every single Speedchuck post and summarizing it

Nobody asked me about Dom's post.

[sprityo]

Spoiler: show

DDL:

Post #1: Excuses a future lack of activity. Not alignment indicative.
Post #2: Corrects the number of roles in another game.
Posts #3-#17: Anti-round-robin. Even suggests lynching himself, saying that would be better than round robin. Despite saying that he sent in a haiku earlier. No hunting in this, just a suggestion that people hunt. I don't disagree with his posts, but they contain nothing that makes me think 'town' either. A common tactic I use as scum is arguing fervently against a scumhunting tactic, which makes me look good without doing scumhunting.
Post #18: Off-topic comment about epi.
Post #19: Comment about the setup, that mafia might have non-btsc players that defect to town.
Post #20: Votes speedchuck for being low-key (I hadn't posted much at the time.)
Post #21: Calls back to post #1, signs off.
Post #22-#23: Continues arguing about alignment changes.
Post #24: Casts shade on LC for being proactive, since LC's past 3 town games have been lackluster.
Post #25: Clarifies that he argued with Cbob (our unlynchable D6 target), but doesn't scumread him or townread him
Post #26: Says that votes jumping around at EOD isn't suspicious as of late.
Post #27: calls nutella out on a 'slip' where she said Sprit was town instead of 'Epi thinks sprit is town.'
Post #28: Throws away DH's observations about the Quin lynch, says the reasoning was logical, suspects speedchuck anyway because 'gut'
Post #29: Is flattered by nutella calling him a high contributor
Post #30: Jokes about rainbow-ing unrelated players in... the other tribe I think?
Post #31: "Game has a good ratio of players posting" - off topic
Post #32: Again states that people changing votes at EOD is normal.
Post #33: Still feeling bad about speedchuck but not as bad as D1 (How does this make sense?) Feels worse about nutella. (okay then. The slip? Why?) Votes nutella. Eggplant.
Post #34: More excusing EOD vote changes.

This is a summary of DDL's posts, with very little commentary. I greened the off-topic stuff and colored the mechanic speculation. Previewedit: Ugh those colors clash.

Where is DDL's head at? What has he done, other than
-throw shade
-excuse any actual actions in this game
-feel bad about people

At least cBob has called people out on specific things. DDL has not taken any action, post, or omission in this game and called it scummy.

Is this what you mean by extrapolating or whatever the word you used was? He doesn't make any point here. He just summarizes DDL's posts to justify a vote for him. It's a big, color coded post though, so is it supposed to be kosher?

IDK. What is Speedchuck accusing DDL of here? What is Speedchuck's aim? To borrow a phrase, what has speedchuck done other than summarize a guys posts and claim he's doing things that Chuck himself is arguably guilty of?

You say this like Dom didn’t do something similar with quoting every single Speedchuck post and summarizing it

Nobody asked me about Dom's post.

Why point out one thing and throw shade but not address something that’s essentially the exact same? That seems pretty lowly