Game of Champions 2017 - GAME OVER

[DrWilgy]

SVS is bad. Pove me wrong.

Prove that you're not, first.

Is this possible? Why ask for impossibilities?

[Scotty]

SVS is bad. Pove me wrong.

Prove that you're not, first.

Is this possible? Why ask for impossibilities?

lay out a case against SVS. color me intrigued

[S~V~S]

SVS is bad. Pove me wrong.

[S~V~S]

SVS is bad. Pove me wrong.

Prove that you're not, first.

Is this possible? Why ask for impossibilities?

lay out a case against SVS. color me intrigued

Well, her first role sounded really bad.

[nijuukyugou]

Let’s try this again.

No I haven’t caught up.

Yes I said that last time.

Why yes, I did literally just remember that I was playing this. This week is already hella busy/exhausting and it’s TUESDAY.

Yes I’m aubergine’ing Wilgy. That last lunch was a shitshow.

[nijuukyugou]

God dangit. My lunch was delicious. Lynch, autocorrect! Argh. Nap time.

[colonialbob]

Let’s try this again.

No I haven’t caught up.

Yes I said that last time.

Why yes, I did literally just remember that I was playing this. This week is already hella busy/exhausting and it’s TUESDAY.

Yes I’m aubergine’ing Wilgy. That last lunch was a shitshow.

Why was it a shitshow?

[colonialbob]

[VOTE: quin ] aubergine

You were warned.

(This is not a real vote and will be changed by EoD.)

[Quin]

[VOTE: quin ] aubergine

You were warned.

(This is not a real vote and will be changed by EoD.)

[Dragon D. Luffy]

You are wasting your vote Quin.

[S~V~S]

Let’s try this again.

No I haven’t caught up.

Yes I said that last time.

Why yes, I did literally just remember that I was playing this. This week is already hella busy/exhausting and it’s TUESDAY.

Yes I’m aubergine’ing Wilgy. That last lunch was a shitshow.

Why was it a shitshow?

Becasue, A, someone who flipped civ was lynched, and, B, she did not vote for that person. See how civvie that makes her ?

I am going to start looking for people for tomorrow, and Niju is top of my reread list.

[Kylemii]

Ok, all caught up. I don't like Sig's explanation of the haiku confusion on a personal level, but I guess that's a playstyle disagreement. Not going to push it when we have juicy nightkill responses to make.

I wasn't involved in killing Blooper, but I strongly suspect that whoever did kill her is laughing their asses off at the WIFOM they just created. I'm betting it's one of the older players who understands the couples meta. Coupled with sig's good point about a ballsy scum team being willing to NK their own for the wifom...

Marmot needs to show up and give us something to chew on. Wilgy has also been super blendy so far. About the only thing we've gotten from him is some gentle needling of Sloonei based on a point made by Scotty. And a cryptic comment about Kyle — why is he a "hero and patriot" for voting Blooper?

I also have an eyeball on Lorab right now. "Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone" at the end of Day 1 is so noncommittal, then she votes Sloonei for "peer pressure" and the active voices in the thread don't really get on her for that lack of reasoning. She then jumps in, first post of Day 2, to begin the WIFOM about me and the Blooper kill.

Sig is bad, maybe, or i just don't agree with him but not gonna push for him.

lol I didn't kill my SO, guys. that would be so ballsy...and WIFOMy...plus SIG made a good point, and I mean I trust the guy...

Marmot's uh not...around...but hey, WILGY is also not around and people bring up good points about him! He's probably suspicious!

LoRab is non-committal (hey, that's basically what Scotty said recently at this point)

I remember back then the primary defense of boomslang was based on the fact that he wouldn't have killed blooper, but that argument is a lot weaker with the revelation that there's at least 2 mafias. i also.... don't remember who specifically was saying it

[DharmaHelper]

Great stuff everyone
Hard to see a baddie win
with such discussion

[Scotty]

Great stuff everyone
Hard to see a baddie win
with such discussion

I could do analysis linking bad Wilgy to a few people based on voting patterns on, say, day 5. But it would be a waste of time if Wilgy is civ.

I always prefer 24 hour days > anything longer, but I understand other people are more normal and have to sit down after work to process this stuff.

In this case, there’s not too much to process. Cue the jeapordy music

[S~V~S]

It is unlikely they have a switch, if they did you would think they would have waited to drop that vote and not done it so early. I am prolly just being paranoid, but I plan to get all my thoughts out there, but not tonight, I am fried. I will start in the AM.

Hoping to hear from INH, see what he has up his sleeve.

[DharmaHelper]

I cannot be lynched
Thank you refrigerator
You have made my day.

[Epignosis]

Yes, apologies S~V~S- I didn't realize your post was in jest.

[Epignosis]

INH, my biggest reason for voting Wilgy was what Sloonei raised + he isn't being replaced + he isn't contributing.

I argued that Wilgy should be lynched before speedchuck. Now we have Wilgy who won't try to exert any effort instead of speedchuck who was having a valiant go at this.

I am comfortable lynching Wilgy. If he is good, the game isn't over. It's minimal risk, high reward.

[sprityo]

^^^^ “minimal risk-high reward”

Though in this case it’s more like “minimal risk-potential reward”

[Epignosis]

^^^^ “minimal risk-high reward”

Though in this case it’s more like “minimal risk-potential reward”

That's a gambling expression. Obviously the reward isn't guaranteed.

[Epignosis]

I do think ideally we should have waited to pile on to Wilgy.

There are people who aren't reading the thread (hi!).

It would have been helpful to have spread votes around and see where they would have gone, and then pile on Wilgy.

[Epignosis]

INH: Why did you withhold your defense of Wilgy until today? None of the arguments against him changed or evolved since before.

[Epignosis]

And here is the Epignosis Credit Report (which is not a rainbow list):

People with full credibility:

Sloonei - Called for Marmot's head, and has looked exactly as I would expect, if slightly less talkative.
Quin - speedchuck was adamant Quin was good, and until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll respect that.
sprityo - For something or other

People with some credibility:

Dom - Called out Long Con, but suspects me.
DDL - I need see something more out of you, but I still take you for a civilian.
Scotty - I had viewed Scotty as good based on his activity in my earliest interactions with him, but now I'm not so sure.
Spacedaisy - This is pending DrWilgy's death as a bad boy. She took a hard stance on a tough character, and I'm cool with that. Hell, even if Wilgy shows up civilian, I'm cool keeping Spacedaisy here.

People with no credibility:

DharmaHelper - On a new life, and his DrWilgy / speedchuck back-and-forth looked like an act to me.
nijuukyugou - Drunken whore.
Boomslang - Drunken whoremonger.
colonialbob - New role and the old role didn't look good anyway.
DrWilgy -
insertnamehere - JackofHearts2005 was against him most of the way.
sig - ditto
Lorab - Nothing she's done or has not done, but new role.
S~V~S - ditto, plus the opinions don't sound logical, and so they seem forced to me.
Kylemii - I have nothing against him, but I have nothing in his favor either. Also maybe whores.

Pulling this forward for my own benefit.

[Epignosis]

I am about to advocate lynching anyone and everyone at the bottom of that list.

There cannot be enough mafia around to save their teammates.

If you have grievances with Sloonei, Quin, or sprityo, state them.

If you have grievances with Dom, DDL, Scotty, or Spacedaisy, state them.

If you have defenses of DharmaHelper, nijuukyugou, Boomslang, coloninalbob, DrWilgy, insertnamehere, sig, Lorab, S~V~S, or Kylemii, state them.

[DharmaHelper]

I am about to advocate lynching anyone and everyone at the bottom of that list.

There cannot be enough mafia around to save their teammates.

If you have grievances with Sloonei, Quin, or sprityo, state them.

If you have grievances with Dom, DDL, Scotty, or Spacedaisy, state them.

If you have defenses of DharmaHelper, nijuukyugou, Boomslang, coloninalbob, DrWilgy, insertnamehere, sig, Lorab, S~V~S, or Kylemii, state them.

Super civ epi
The mafia are so fucked
with you on the case

[Epignosis]

That's right.

I am after all

Spoiler: show

speedchuck's teammate.

[sprityo]

That's right.

I am after all

Spoiler: show

speedchuck's teammate.

[LoRab]

I totally thought the lynch ended tonight. Meh.

[insertnamehere]

INH: Why did you withhold your defense of Wilgy until today? None of the arguments against him changed or evolved since before.

I didn't purposefully withhold anything. I stated that I didn't agree with Daisy's case and thought it was bullpucky when she posted it in the Cerberus Tribe thread. I stated that I had misgivings about voting for him, but I still did it anyway on Day 9. That led to people voting for me for "distancing." Then, when I posted a spirited defense of him, the same handful of people responded to me with a shrug, basically ignoring the question of his alignment, and asked me "why not Wilgy?"

[Epignosis]

INH: Why did you withhold your defense of Wilgy until today? None of the arguments against him changed or evolved since before.

I didn't purposefully withhold anything. I stated that I didn't agree with Daisy's case and thought it was bullpucky when she posted it in the Cerberus Tribe thread. I stated that I had misgivings about voting for him, but I still did it anyway on Day 9. That led to people voting for me for "distancing." Then, when I posted a spirited defense of him, the same handful of people responded to me with a shrug, basically ignoring the question of his alignment, and asked me "why not Wilgy?"

I don't mean that you purposefully withheld your defense.

Who should die instead of Wilgy?

[insertnamehere]

Half of me: inh is def civ after that post

the other half of me: why does inh only show up when someone calls his name?

Laziness. A lack of mafia time. A personal fondness towards Luca Guadganino's filmography. Take your pick.

[colonialbob]

INH: Why did you withhold your defense of Wilgy until today? None of the arguments against him changed or evolved since before.

I didn't purposefully withhold anything. I stated that I didn't agree with Daisy's case and thought it was bullpucky when she posted it in the Cerberus Tribe thread. I stated that I had misgivings about voting for him, but I still did it anyway on Day 9. That led to people voting for me for "distancing." Then, when I posted a spirited defense of him, the same handful of people responded to me with a shrug, basically ignoring the question of his alignment, and asked me "why not Wilgy?"

The handful of people that voted for you were me, speed, and I think DDL. Speed is gone, and I thought your case was pretty solid.

[insertnamehere]

INH: Why did you withhold your defense of Wilgy until today? None of the arguments against him changed or evolved since before.

I didn't purposefully withhold anything. I stated that I didn't agree with Daisy's case and thought it was bullpucky when she posted it in the Cerberus Tribe thread. I stated that I had misgivings about voting for him, but I still did it anyway on Day 9. That led to people voting for me for "distancing." Then, when I posted a spirited defense of him, the same handful of people responded to me with a shrug, basically ignoring the question of his alignment, and asked me "why not Wilgy?"

The handful of people that voted for you were me, speed, and I think DDL. Speed is gone, and I thought your case was pretty solid.

Both of you responded to my Wilgy case with "why not Wilgy," which was basically why I voted for him Day 9 despite my misgivings. For you to criticize me, then turn around, and spout the same viewpoint a couple days later, feels a tad hypocritical.

[insertnamehere]

INH: Why did you withhold your defense of Wilgy until today? None of the arguments against him changed or evolved since before.

I didn't purposefully withhold anything. I stated that I didn't agree with Daisy's case and thought it was bullpucky when she posted it in the Cerberus Tribe thread. I stated that I had misgivings about voting for him, but I still did it anyway on Day 9. That led to people voting for me for "distancing." Then, when I posted a spirited defense of him, the same handful of people responded to me with a shrug, basically ignoring the question of his alignment, and asked me "why not Wilgy?"

I don't mean that you purposefully withheld your defense.

Who should die instead of Wilgy?

Off the top of my head, Sig or Scotty. I've been nursing a case against Sig since like Day 5, and I still think my reasons for suspecting him are valid.

YE OLDE SIG CASE

THE CASE AGAINST SIG

this is gonna have to be multiple posts because ISO’ing someone is fucking impossible on phones

insertnamehere wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:51 pm
Quick non-insanified explanation of my Sig vote yesterday.

I didn't like his statements on the haiku situation, it kinda felt like covering for possible liars.

I sided with Boomslang on the whole 70% comment. Thought it was weird, and didn't like how people jumped to sig's defense and attacked Boomslang simply for pointing it out.

Then there's his flippity floppity treatment of Sloonei which just felt disingenuous. TBH, I might end up voting for him again today.

To elaborate, he went from town reading Sloonei to voting for him to once again to town reading him to calling his posts scummy a couple hours later. All the while, he was accusing Sloonei of “flip-flipping.” He later provided some explanations that were more than a little half-assed, IMO.

Early in the game, he called Sloonei’s case against me weak and thought it reflected poorly on Sloonei.

By Day 4, he’s completely reversed that opinion, and considers me one of his top suspects because he now believes Sloonei’s early case against me was “good.”

He just hasn’t really shown any consistency in his reads and views, seemingly changing them depending on which way the wind blows. He hasn’t contributed much if any substantial content to the thread, and is by far the strongest candidate for today’s lynch, in my opinion.

Since the merge happened, he's:
-proceeded to vacillate wildly about Sloonei
-voted for Boomslang Day 9 sans justification
-was a loyal passenger on the Speedchuck wagon, attacking the Wilgy case, calling it a "scapegoat counterwagon." Interrogates Wilgy voters and tries to get them to swich to Speed.
-immediately after the Speedchuck lynch, suggests a Wilgy lynch the next day, tells people to look at people who "flipflopped" or "gave very weak reasoning" for their Speed votes, presumably without irony.
-posted this bland wall of reads

Spoiler: show

I like SVS, Epi, DDL

I don't like DH last minute switch from Wilgy to Speed with such little reasoning when he was so adamant on leaving Speed alive, very strange progression.

I would say the same about DDL, but outside of that he looks good.

Sloonie is looking very meh to me. He was a civ than mafia than back to civ and now he's leaning back into the mafia camp. I just can't decide what to think about him.

Bloober pinged me awhile back, but I can't remember why.
Lorab, Scotty, and Sprityo are all civ leans/independent.

I'll probably vote for Wilgy.

Didn't we figure out refrigerator has to be Quin? If that's the case do we believe that's a mafia role. It doesn't seem that civvie, however we have had curse roles that are held by a civ this past year.

Every word in that post makes me go "meh." Oddly enough, Lorab, a civ lean, was heavily criticized by Sig for voting Wilgy during Day 10. His tune seems to have very quickly changed.

Nothing he's said has been inspiring, he's had no real consistent stances or opinions, he seems to go with whatever the popular thread direction is, and is bringing nothing to the table, while trying to look like a "contributor."

Now, for Scotty. Here's the thing about Scotty. Dude posts a shitton of stuff. To me, him posting a shitton of stuff ain't alignment indicative. It's his playstyle, and he'd try to imitate it best he could if he was bad.

In my opinion, he's been relentlessly pushing weak lynch candidates, who are mainly infrequent posters, then backing off whenever he detects any possible resistance. Here's the example of this that sticks in my proverbial craw, due to the context of the Pikachu Tribe at the time, and the likely possibility that scum team BTSC communicated info about each tribe, and they all knew about the lynch-trading mechanic.

Thirdly, Scotty. @S~V~S, you were pretty sus of him due to all the Day 5 shenanigans. Here's my perspective. Scotty, JoH, and Sloonei were all desperately pushing towards lynches at any costs at this point in the game, which was tricky due to having no real flips or info to go off of. Their solution seemed to essentially be playing spin-the-bottle with whoever either disagreed with them or hadn't posted in a while. Boomslang, who is my current top civ read, disagreed with them, and has been relentlessly pursued because of it.

Sloonei and Scotty had a case against me, which they themselves admitted was BS. Nevertheless due to a mixture of apathy and inertia, I began picking up votes. I wrote up a case against sig, which was based on actual, y'know, stuff, and that managed to shift their attention.

At the time, I was nervous that a scummeister could be using the pressure towards a lynch with more voters than Pikachu's to frame civilians.

The fact that this push to beat Pikachu's numbers happened at the same time as LC was about to be lynched over there, well, it don't look great.

Out of the three (relatively) hyper-active players pushing towards a lynch, Scotty's the one that looks the worst to me. JoH is dead, and Sloonei has seemingly calmed down a hell of a lot when the button got pressed. Scotty's the one who first made the switch when I protested against my lynch and offered an "easier" alternative.

This is all not to imply that I don't still suspect sig. As I said over at NuCerberus:

Like Quin said, there's a pretty decent chance that in a game this size that's this convoluted, (I know, I'm one to talk) there are multiple baddie teams. Even if sig's "wagon" was bolstered by an attempt to save LC's bacon, that doesn't discount any of my suspicions of him. Plus, sig had an extra life at that time, and I could see a baddie team not really minding bussing a member with two lives to try and save someone else.

Scotty's the one who moved thread-targets lightning fast, and desperately tried to drum up votes in order to fulfill the, imo, not particularly necessary, objective of lynching someone at the exact same time that Pikachu was about to sell LC down the river.

The timing stinks worse than 8-month old tuna.

Other things fill me with skepticism towards him. His beating of the Boomslang drum, and his utter bafflement when I said I listed him as a town read. Followed by his 180 where he now leans civ on Boomslang despite trying to lynch the poor guy for most of the game. Bleh.

That's off the top of my head. I may try and dive into the mountain of Scotty posts to try and dig for some more stuff later. Unfortunately, I need sleep.

[Quin]

You are wasting your vote Quin.

What happened to the DDL who would happily engage in verbal fisticuffs with me when I suspected him?

[Quin]

[mention]insertnamehere[/mention] i need a new theme for my T O W N C O R E and as my newly appointed second in command you get to decide what it is.

[insertnamehere]

@insertnamehere i need a new theme for my T O W N C O R E and as my newly appointed second in command you get to decide what it is.

[Quin]

@insertnamehere i need a new theme for my T O W N C O R E and as my newly appointed second in command you get to decide what it is.

"The uploader has not made this video available in your country"

[insertnamehere]

[Sloonei]

I haven't paid enough attention to this game in recent days to comment on anything that's currently going on, but if we're looking for other names to talk about, SVS was my lone suspect from my peek into Pikachu on Day 3. I thought something had happened to pseudo-clear her over there, but that apparently did not happen. I'd advocate for a case to be made against her. I'm not currently in a position to make the case myself though.

[Scotty]

Spoiler: show

INH: Why did you withhold your defense of Wilgy until today? None of the arguments against him changed or evolved since before.

I didn't purposefully withhold anything. I stated that I didn't agree with Daisy's case and thought it was bullpucky when she posted it in the Cerberus Tribe thread. I stated that I had misgivings about voting for him, but I still did it anyway on Day 9. That led to people voting for me for "distancing." Then, when I posted a spirited defense of him, the same handful of people responded to me with a shrug, basically ignoring the question of his alignment, and asked me "why not Wilgy?"

I don't mean that you purposefully withheld your defense.

Who should die instead of Wilgy?

Off the top of my head, Sig or Scotty. I've been nursing a case against Sig since like Day 5, and I still think my reasons for suspecting him are valid.

YE OLDE SIG CASE

THE CASE AGAINST SIG

this is gonna have to be multiple posts because ISO’ing someone is fucking impossible on phones

insertnamehere wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:51 pm
Quick non-insanified explanation of my Sig vote yesterday.

I didn't like his statements on the haiku situation, it kinda felt like covering for possible liars.

I sided with Boomslang on the whole 70% comment. Thought it was weird, and didn't like how people jumped to sig's defense and attacked Boomslang simply for pointing it out.

Then there's his flippity floppity treatment of Sloonei which just felt disingenuous. TBH, I might end up voting for him again today.

To elaborate, he went from town reading Sloonei to voting for him to once again to town reading him to calling his posts scummy a couple hours later. All the while, he was accusing Sloonei of “flip-flipping.” He later provided some explanations that were more than a little half-assed, IMO.

Early in the game, he called Sloonei’s case against me weak and thought it reflected poorly on Sloonei.

By Day 4, he’s completely reversed that opinion, and considers me one of his top suspects because he now believes Sloonei’s early case against me was “good.”

He just hasn’t really shown any consistency in his reads and views, seemingly changing them depending on which way the wind blows. He hasn’t contributed much if any substantial content to the thread, and is by far the strongest candidate for today’s lynch, in my opinion.

Since the merge happened, he's:
-proceeded to vacillate wildly about Sloonei
-voted for Boomslang Day 9 sans justification
-was a loyal passenger on the Speedchuck wagon, attacking the Wilgy case, calling it a "scapegoat counterwagon." Interrogates Wilgy voters and tries to get them to swich to Speed.
-immediately after the Speedchuck lynch, suggests a Wilgy lynch the next day, tells people to look at people who "flipflopped" or "gave very weak reasoning" for their Speed votes, presumably without irony.
-posted this bland wall of reads

Spoiler: show

I like SVS, Epi, DDL

I don't like DH last minute switch from Wilgy to Speed with such little reasoning when he was so adamant on leaving Speed alive, very strange progression.

I would say the same about DDL, but outside of that he looks good.

Sloonie is looking very meh to me. He was a civ than mafia than back to civ and now he's leaning back into the mafia camp. I just can't decide what to think about him.

Bloober pinged me awhile back, but I can't remember why.
Lorab, Scotty, and Sprityo are all civ leans/independent.

I'll probably vote for Wilgy.

Didn't we figure out refrigerator has to be Quin? If that's the case do we believe that's a mafia role. It doesn't seem that civvie, however we have had curse roles that are held by a civ this past year.

Every word in that post makes me go "meh." Oddly enough, Lorab, a civ lean, was heavily criticized by Sig for voting Wilgy during Day 10. His tune seems to have very quickly changed.

Nothing he's said has been inspiring, he's had no real consistent stances or opinions, he seems to go with whatever the popular thread direction is, and is bringing nothing to the table, while trying to look like a "contributor."

Now, for Scotty. Here's the thing about Scotty. Dude posts a shitton of stuff. To me, him posting a shitton of stuff ain't alignment indicative. It's his playstyle, and he'd try to imitate it best he could if he was bad.

In my opinion, he's been relentlessly pushing weak lynch candidates, who are mainly infrequent posters, then backing off whenever he detects any possible resistance. Here's the example of this that sticks in my proverbial craw, due to the context of the Pikachu Tribe at the time, and the likely possibility that scum team BTSC communicated info about each tribe, and they all knew about the lynch-trading mechanic.

Thirdly, Scotty. @S~V~S, you were pretty sus of him due to all the Day 5 shenanigans. Here's my perspective. Scotty, JoH, and Sloonei were all desperately pushing towards lynches at any costs at this point in the game, which was tricky due to having no real flips or info to go off of. Their solution seemed to essentially be playing spin-the-bottle with whoever either disagreed with them or hadn't posted in a while. Boomslang, who is my current top civ read, disagreed with them, and has been relentlessly pursued because of it.

Sloonei and Scotty had a case against me, which they themselves admitted was BS. Nevertheless due to a mixture of apathy and inertia, I began picking up votes. I wrote up a case against sig, which was based on actual, y'know, stuff, and that managed to shift their attention.

At the time, I was nervous that a scummeister could be using the pressure towards a lynch with more voters than Pikachu's to frame civilians.

The fact that this push to beat Pikachu's numbers happened at the same time as LC was about to be lynched over there, well, it don't look great.

Out of the three (relatively) hyper-active players pushing towards a lynch, Scotty's the one that looks the worst to me. JoH is dead, and Sloonei has seemingly calmed down a hell of a lot when the button got pressed. Scotty's the one who first made the switch when I protested against my lynch and offered an "easier" alternative.

This is all not to imply that I don't still suspect sig. As I said over at NuCerberus:

Like Quin said, there's a pretty decent chance that in a game this size that's this convoluted, (I know, I'm one to talk) there are multiple baddie teams. Even if sig's "wagon" was bolstered by an attempt to save LC's bacon, that doesn't discount any of my suspicions of him. Plus, sig had an extra life at that time, and I could see a baddie team not really minding bussing a member with two lives to try and save someone else.

Scotty's the one who moved thread-targets lightning fast, and desperately tried to drum up votes in order to fulfill the, imo, not particularly necessary, objective of lynching someone at the exact same time that Pikachu was about to sell LC down the river.

The timing stinks worse than 8-month old tuna.

Other things fill me with skepticism towards him. His beating of the Boomslang drum, and his utter bafflement when I said I listed him as a town read. Followed by his 180 where he now leans civ on Boomslang despite trying to lynch the poor guy for most of the game. Bleh.

That's off the top of my head. I may try and dive into the mountain of Scotty posts to try and dig for some more stuff later. Unfortunately, I need sleep.

I appreciate you, INH. I need at least a few detractors to get the boogies off my back. I like you, even if you’re misguided on me. I understand I have a lot of bullshit to sift through. A side effect of the spur of the moment bullshit is that, if I were mafia, I’m giving myself away by talking too much. I’d like to think I would be more cautious as mafia and not want to put all my thoughts on paper. But I dunno. Maybe I would.

I could definitely be down with a sig lynch tho.
I don’t think sig was sacrificed. I think he is on the opposing team that killed him.
If Wilgy is bad, I’m keeping in mind however that sig ended up targeting Wilgy (as Mr. Poe) and would have had a 1/3 chance to die, but was silenced instead. Supposedly. All of that is hearsay.

Scotty's the one who moved thread-targets lightning fast, and desperately tried to drum up votes in order to fulfill the, imo, not particularly necessary, objective of lynching someone at the exact same time that Pikachu was about to sell LC down the river.

The timing stinks worse than 8-month old tuna.

Now look here, bucko.

Your linking of my involvement to the LC lynch is annoyingly coincidental, and actually my “desperation” in drumming up votes to lynch wasn’t just from Day 5 or whenever LC was lynched.

If you want an example, don’t worry, I went back to my history to pull up for you with time stamps my intrinsic desire to get lynches:

Day 3:
#542 Post Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:17 pm

I don't disagree that comparisons can be drawn to LoRab in this game and Fiddler, but I would hesitate to pounce on them. There has been next to no consensus in this thread and very little in the way of strong reads from anyone. LoRab probably stands out as being the most off the radar, though, and that worries me some. She's provided reasons for this which make her absence understandable, but do not tell me anything about her alignment.

In a sort of answer to your question, Scotty, I have no reason to town read LoRab. I'd consider voting for her today. I'm not eager to settle on her for being the easiest target.

There are no easy targets because we’ve learned nothing from our side aside from ninja having a mason and my old insanifying role.

If we ever want to lynch someone we will need more votes than the other tribe, which means more consensus. I’d still treat this as a D1. I hate D1s but someone should go, cause someone be killing and I’m pissed

So I just want to nip that one in the bud. Yes, I wanted as much lynch votes as possible on day 3, 4, 5, 6, because OF COURSE I DID. WE WERE ON PERPETUAL DAY 1 and had lost 5 people to NKs and no lynches to offset. I’m surprised MORE people weren’t pissed off.

I was also assuming that lynches = the other team received the NK because nothing pointed to the contrary at that point.

So anyway, moving on

[Scotty]

@insertnamehere i need a new theme for my T O W N C O R E and as my newly appointed second in command you get to decide what it is.

Why were you “townfirmed” again to begin with?

Honest question, I just kept hearing (via Speedchuck??) and never really took to heart what the reasoning was.

[Quin]

@insertnamehere i need a new theme for my T O W N C O R E and as my newly appointed second in command you get to decide what it is.

Why were you “townfirmed” again to begin with?

Honest question, I just kept hearing (via Speedchuck??) and never really took to heart what the reasoning was.

Technically I'm "mechanically can't be scum"firmed. I can be indy, though I'm not. LC 1.0's vote was worth more or less depending on if he voted for town or scum. He (or DDL?) did this whole mechanical breakdown about it on Pikachu.

[Quin]

If I have a vote-related power I'm not confirmed, but I don't.

[S~V~S]

I haven't paid enough attention to this game in recent days to comment on anything that's currently going on, but if we're looking for other names to talk about, SVS was my lone suspect from my peek into Pikachu on Day 3. I thought something had happened to pseudo-clear her over there, but that apparently did not happen. I'd advocate for a case to be made against her. I'm not currently in a position to make the case myself though.

I would love it if you did find the time. I would love it if you would just explain why.

And I don't believe I have been cleared. It's incredibly unlikely that I am an Even, although if we had Strex at Pikachu there is no reason I couldn't be them.

[Dom]

I haven't paid enough attention to this game in recent days to comment on anything that's currently going on, but if we're looking for other names to talk about, SVS was my lone suspect from my peek into Pikachu on Day 3. I thought something had happened to pseudo-clear her over there, but that apparently did not happen. I'd advocate for a case to be made against her. I'm not currently in a position to make the case myself though.

!!!¡¡¡

weird af

[S~V~S]

Spoiler: show

INH: Why did you withhold your defense of Wilgy until today? None of the arguments against him changed or evolved since before.

I didn't purposefully withhold anything. I stated that I didn't agree with Daisy's case and thought it was bullpucky when she posted it in the Cerberus Tribe thread. I stated that I had misgivings about voting for him, but I still did it anyway on Day 9. That led to people voting for me for "distancing." Then, when I posted a spirited defense of him, the same handful of people responded to me with a shrug, basically ignoring the question of his alignment, and asked me "why not Wilgy?"

I don't mean that you purposefully withheld your defense.

Who should die instead of Wilgy?

Off the top of my head, Sig or Scotty. I've been nursing a case against Sig since like Day 5, and I still think my reasons for suspecting him are valid.

YE OLDE SIG CASE

THE CASE AGAINST SIG

this is gonna have to be multiple posts because ISO’ing someone is fucking impossible on phones

insertnamehere wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:51 pm
Quick non-insanified explanation of my Sig vote yesterday.

I didn't like his statements on the haiku situation, it kinda felt like covering for possible liars.

I sided with Boomslang on the whole 70% comment. Thought it was weird, and didn't like how people jumped to sig's defense and attacked Boomslang simply for pointing it out.

Then there's his flippity floppity treatment of Sloonei which just felt disingenuous. TBH, I might end up voting for him again today.

To elaborate, he went from town reading Sloonei to voting for him to once again to town reading him to calling his posts scummy a couple hours later. All the while, he was accusing Sloonei of “flip-flipping.” He later provided some explanations that were more than a little half-assed, IMO.

Early in the game, he called Sloonei’s case against me weak and thought it reflected poorly on Sloonei.

By Day 4, he’s completely reversed that opinion, and considers me one of his top suspects because he now believes Sloonei’s early case against me was “good.”

He just hasn’t really shown any consistency in his reads and views, seemingly changing them depending on which way the wind blows. He hasn’t contributed much if any substantial content to the thread, and is by far the strongest candidate for today’s lynch, in my opinion.

Since the merge happened, he's:
-proceeded to vacillate wildly about Sloonei
-voted for Boomslang Day 9 sans justification
-was a loyal passenger on the Speedchuck wagon, attacking the Wilgy case, calling it a "scapegoat counterwagon." Interrogates Wilgy voters and tries to get them to swich to Speed.
-immediately after the Speedchuck lynch, suggests a Wilgy lynch the next day, tells people to look at people who "flipflopped" or "gave very weak reasoning" for their Speed votes, presumably without irony.
-posted this bland wall of reads

Spoiler: show

I like SVS, Epi, DDL

I don't like DH last minute switch from Wilgy to Speed with such little reasoning when he was so adamant on leaving Speed alive, very strange progression.

I would say the same about DDL, but outside of that he looks good.

Sloonie is looking very meh to me. He was a civ than mafia than back to civ and now he's leaning back into the mafia camp. I just can't decide what to think about him.

Bloober pinged me awhile back, but I can't remember why.
Lorab, Scotty, and Sprityo are all civ leans/independent.

I'll probably vote for Wilgy.

Didn't we figure out refrigerator has to be Quin? If that's the case do we believe that's a mafia role. It doesn't seem that civvie, however we have had curse roles that are held by a civ this past year.

Every word in that post makes me go "meh." Oddly enough, Lorab, a civ lean, was heavily criticized by Sig for voting Wilgy during Day 10. His tune seems to have very quickly changed.

Nothing he's said has been inspiring, he's had no real consistent stances or opinions, he seems to go with whatever the popular thread direction is, and is bringing nothing to the table, while trying to look like a "contributor."

Now, for Scotty. Here's the thing about Scotty. Dude posts a shitton of stuff. To me, him posting a shitton of stuff ain't alignment indicative. It's his playstyle, and he'd try to imitate it best he could if he was bad.

In my opinion, he's been relentlessly pushing weak lynch candidates, who are mainly infrequent posters, then backing off whenever he detects any possible resistance. Here's the example of this that sticks in my proverbial craw, due to the context of the Pikachu Tribe at the time, and the likely possibility that scum team BTSC communicated info about each tribe, and they all knew about the lynch-trading mechanic.

Thirdly, Scotty. @S~V~S, you were pretty sus of him due to all the Day 5 shenanigans. Here's my perspective. Scotty, JoH, and Sloonei were all desperately pushing towards lynches at any costs at this point in the game, which was tricky due to having no real flips or info to go off of. Their solution seemed to essentially be playing spin-the-bottle with whoever either disagreed with them or hadn't posted in a while. Boomslang, who is my current top civ read, disagreed with them, and has been relentlessly pursued because of it.

Sloonei and Scotty had a case against me, which they themselves admitted was BS. Nevertheless due to a mixture of apathy and inertia, I began picking up votes. I wrote up a case against sig, which was based on actual, y'know, stuff, and that managed to shift their attention.

At the time, I was nervous that a scummeister could be using the pressure towards a lynch with more voters than Pikachu's to frame civilians.

The fact that this push to beat Pikachu's numbers happened at the same time as LC was about to be lynched over there, well, it don't look great.

Out of the three (relatively) hyper-active players pushing towards a lynch, Scotty's the one that looks the worst to me. JoH is dead, and Sloonei has seemingly calmed down a hell of a lot when the button got pressed. Scotty's the one who first made the switch when I protested against my lynch and offered an "easier" alternative.

This is all not to imply that I don't still suspect sig. As I said over at NuCerberus:

Like Quin said, there's a pretty decent chance that in a game this size that's this convoluted, (I know, I'm one to talk) there are multiple baddie teams. Even if sig's "wagon" was bolstered by an attempt to save LC's bacon, that doesn't discount any of my suspicions of him. Plus, sig had an extra life at that time, and I could see a baddie team not really minding bussing a member with two lives to try and save someone else.

Scotty's the one who moved thread-targets lightning fast, and desperately tried to drum up votes in order to fulfill the, imo, not particularly necessary, objective of lynching someone at the exact same time that Pikachu was about to sell LC down the river.

The timing stinks worse than 8-month old tuna.

Other things fill me with skepticism towards him. His beating of the Boomslang drum, and his utter bafflement when I said I listed him as a town read. Followed by his 180 where he now leans civ on Boomslang despite trying to lynch the poor guy for most of the game. Bleh.

That's off the top of my head. I may try and dive into the mountain of Scotty posts to try and dig for some more stuff later. Unfortunately, I need sleep.

I appreciate you, INH. I need at least a few detractors to get the boogies off my back. I like you, even if you’re misguided on me. I understand I have a lot of bullshit to sift through. A side effect of the spur of the moment bullshit is that, if I were mafia, I’m giving myself away by talking too much. I’d like to think I would be more cautious as mafia and not want to put all my thoughts on paper. But I dunno. Maybe I would.

I could definitely be down with a sig lynch tho.
I don’t think sig was sacrificed. I think he is on the opposing team that killed him.
If Wilgy is bad, I’m keeping in mind however that sig ended up targeting Wilgy (as Mr. Poe) and would have had a 1/3 chance to die, but was silenced instead. Supposedly. All of that is hearsay.

Scotty's the one who moved thread-targets lightning fast, and desperately tried to drum up votes in order to fulfill the, imo, not particularly necessary, objective of lynching someone at the exact same time that Pikachu was about to sell LC down the river.

The timing stinks worse than 8-month old tuna.

Now look here, bucko.

Your linking of my involvement to the LC lynch is annoyingly coincidental, and actually my “desperation” in drumming up votes to lynch wasn’t just from Day 5 or whenever LC was lynched.

If you want an example, don’t worry, I went back to my history to pull up for you with time stamps my intrinsic desire to get lynches:

Day 3:
#542 Post Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:17 pm

I don't disagree that comparisons can be drawn to LoRab in this game and Fiddler, but I would hesitate to pounce on them. There has been next to no consensus in this thread and very little in the way of strong reads from anyone. LoRab probably stands out as being the most off the radar, though, and that worries me some. She's provided reasons for this which make her absence understandable, but do not tell me anything about her alignment.

In a sort of answer to your question, Scotty, I have no reason to town read LoRab. I'd consider voting for her today. I'm not eager to settle on her for being the easiest target.

There are no easy targets because we’ve learned nothing from our side aside from ninja having a mason and my old insanifying role.

If we ever want to lynch someone we will need more votes than the other tribe, which means more consensus. I’d still treat this as a D1. I hate D1s but someone should go, cause someone be killing and I’m pissed

So I just want to nip that one in the bud. Yes, I wanted as much lynch votes as possible on day 3, 4, 5, 6, because OF COURSE I DID. WE WERE ON PERPETUAL DAY 1 and had lost 5 people to NKs and no lynches to offset. I’m surprised MORE people weren’t pissed off.

I was also assuming that lynches = the other team received the NK because nothing pointed to the contrary at that point.

So anyway, moving on

Did you ever insanify anyone, Scotty?

OK, GTH reads. I never completed my read of Cerberus so this is based on spot readings over there in some cases.


Boomslang- WHERE ARE YOU!?! Felt good about his posts at Cerberus. Shake civ feels.
colonialbob- Missed that crucial LC #2 lynch vote, then tried to say he didn't. But not everyone can be on the Evens, plus there was his point about how Nutella would not have been last to vote for him had she been his teammate. Could be bad, but I know I felt fairly good about him until Day 6, and have not felt bad about him since. So meh.
dharmahelper-I have brainwashed myself into not suspecting him. I have had my scares, but overall he feels civ to me.
Dom- Feel good about Dom, I always feel good about Dom, my opinion about Dom is meaningless.
Dragon D Luffy- I think DDL is bad.
DrWilgy- I could see Wilgy bad, more so after his vote yesterday. I had no real opinion of him on my own, my opinions were based on others cases, like Kyle, he was a null for me. Which is concerning, since they are almost never null values to me.
Epignosis- I think he's a civ
insertnamehere- I also think he's a civ
Kylemii- I can't recall much that he has said. I need to read him. This concerns me because I almost always notice him for the light he brings to the thread. Sloonei says Kyle is one of his strongest civ reads, but I am missing how.
LoRab- Feels blendy even for her, hasn't had any strong opinions I can think of, held onto the merge, keeping info from civs. Leaning bad.
nijuukyugou- I think she is bad, makes blendy votes. I don't recall what about her posts @Cerberus got my eye, but she felt "faux" to me. My initial impression was "bad" and nothing has changed that.
Quin- Think he's a civ
Scotty- Conflict, he has civved the civ, but a few things stand out. Gut says don't trust him.
sig- I was freaked by him (and Sloonei) instantly understanding how the lynched worked with no discussion less than 5 minutes after the first lynch post. But since then he has sigged pretty hard GTH I actually feel pretty OK about him. I don't feel the sly element I get from bad sig. But like Dom, he fools me well, so not sure how much value this opinion has.
Sloonei- I think he's bad, and to my credit, did so in Cerberus. Hated his refusal to share info with civs, who had none, out fo fear of sharing it with baddies who had it anyhow. Also hated how he knew how the lynches worked as soon as the first lynch was posted.
Spacedaisy- Like Boom, fell off the radar. Although I know she is also irl megabusy, but I felt good about her when she was here
sprityo- I felt he was civ based totally on his thread before he died. He sttod out more before the merge, but it could be his level is the same, there are just more people
S~V~S- I am the civviest poisoner ever to not poison anyone

Not sure how work will treat me today, I plan to work on a Niju case, and see where that leads me. I will definitely have time to post before lynch end even if work is busy.

Question to the group: Would holding back the merge have benefitted a baddie team? I an not great at that kind of analysis, so any opinions on this? Or did those opinions already happen and I missed them? I missed a lot of the thread the day Chuck was off the poll and we had Wilgy 1, it felt somewhat "Lords of the Flies" ish to me in here that day, so I skipped alot of it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

You are wasting your vote Quin.

What happened to the DDL who would happily engage in verbal fisticuffs with me when I suspected him?

That was when doing so mattered.

[S~V~S]

ebwop, also Sloonei has said I was his on;y bad read from when he watched us. But this is his first mention of it, or me (other than in passing about the Speed lynch) since the tribes merged.

Wonder why supaciv did not mention his one bad read in front of me? This was his one mention of it, when he got to Pikachu, but he did not say why and he did not bring it up again.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 8
#2847 Post by Sloonei » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:12:49 am
what I gathered from my peek at chu all many many moons ago was that y'all didn't seem to know that your lynches were canceling ours out, and that you thought we were getting your nightkill results while we were getting yours. I assume this has already been covered, but it became pretty apparent to us right away that the tribe which reached a greater majority in the poll would have their lynch go through over the other tribe's, and for the first 5 phases I assumed that the opposite tribe would then be victimized by the nightkill. This changed when I think it was SVS was nightkilled after cbob's lynch. Also, two small notes: 1, @DharmaHelper I let everyone know about your intentions to fight us all. 2, INH had predicted on Day 1 that this thread would double ours in post count. when I first was granted access to this thread, you guys had exactly twice as many posts as us. My head exploded.

I didn't bother to work too hard on developing reads on the original iteration of this tribe while I was over here. Epi, Quin, and DH were town reads, SVS was my lone scum read. I had an impulse to scum read nutella, but that always happens and I came around to feeling good about her. I only read about ~10 pages of this thread though.

Marmot has been my top suspect for a few phases now and I think by virtue of me being the loudest person in Cerberus, we eventually came to what I will gracefully dub a consensus on him and literally the entire tribe, Marmot included, voted to out him yesterday because we were sick of you jerks standing in our way.

My reasons would mostly mean nothing to those who weren't in that thread since they can't see any of it. The general vibe I got from him was a player who was trying to remain just barely above water enough to not attract the wrong kind of attention while also not disturbing the ineptitude of the thread in any major way. I don't believe he ever responded to my Big Ass Case in any meaningful way, but it's gone forever now. Or until we can see that thread again.

Pikachus should give him a chance and judge him on their own.

"The button" which brought us all together was one of our publicly-revealed roles at the start of the game. I don't know what took them so long.
The other was INH's first role. If that hasn't already been covered. Sorry, I haven't actually read things and I'm a smidge drunk. Happy Irish Day.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@insertnamehere i need a new theme for my T O W N C O R E and as my newly appointed second in command you get to decide what it is.

Why were you “townfirmed” again to begin with?

Honest question, I just kept hearing (via Speedchuck??) and never really took to heart what the reasoning was.

Quin can only be bad if there were more vote manipulators on Pikachu than just LC and me.

(He can be indie or civ)

This becomes increasingly unlikely as Pikachu first roles flip, too.