Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[MacDougall]

Did anybody not vote?

[MacDougall]

I just caught up. I am about to rain hell down on the following.

Sloonei
Marmot
Jack
Kyle
Luna

This should be good.

Just to be clear. I wrote that post after having a catch up read and as I go back over the game time and time again my perspectives change. After having deep dived through Sloonei's posts I have you back more towards the middle of the pack.

Right now Sloonei, Marmot and Colin are full scumreads with Long Con, Dunya and Luna all scum leans and you and Kyle more null.

Read my case on Sloonei and give me some perspective.

[novaselinenever]

Kites and Lapluie didn't.

[MacDougall]

Kites and Lapluie didn't.

Kites posted. Did Lapluie?

[Golden]

Kites and Lapluie didn't.

Kites posted. Did Lapluie?

Yes

But kites asked for a replacement

[MacDougall]

M Plus 7
Scotty
Turnip Head
Dom
novaselinenever
Golden
Epignosis
wolbre04
Choutas
Spacedaisy
lapluie
speedchuck
Kylemii
Jackofhearts2005
Kites
dunya
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
ColinIsCool
Sloonei

Get dat rainbow.

[MacDougall]

Kites and Lapluie didn't.

Kites posted. Did Lapluie?

Yes

But kites asked for a replacement

Care to help me build perspective on the people in the middle of my rainbow? From Choutas through to Kites. I'd love to hear some reads on that group.

[wolbre04]

Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

[MacDougall]

Having a quick analysis of where the suspicious groups votes ended up.

dunya - Off wagon vote for Turnip Head. Interesting. I know she has had to take some time out of the game but I can't recall a time I saw Dunya's vote end up on someone nobody else voted for.

Long Con - On a Dunya wagon that didn't take off. Safe place for a scum vote to end up (especially if that player is a teammate).

Lunalee - Voted for Golden. Worth going back over the why here. Lunalee was catching some heat and I was pinged several times during the read by Lunalee. For what I perceived as insincerity.

Marmot - Right there on sig. That's a bold vote for a scum to make, but it's Marmot, and he would.

ColinIsCool - Lunalee. Same rules apply on this as Long Con's vote.

Sloonei - Last vote on Nova before Golden pushed sig over the line. In isolation it's the best explained vote of all of these, but I would expect nothing less from Sloonei.

The worst votes here are Colin and Long Con's. There is fucking 100% scum in this pile.

[wolbre04]

Because I'm not seeing any answer to this elsewhere, and I'm used to submitting it to the host (I'm just not sure which person helping run the game to pm)

[MacDougall]

Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Just PM Jay with questions like this.

[speedchuck]

She's myy wiiiife. *borat voice*

seriously? I had no idea

Yep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:

so then would you rate your level of familiarity with dunya and golden's respective fetas as being generally pretty low?

I don’t eat feta

Scum.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I just caught up. I am about to rain hell down on the following.

Sloonei
Marmot
Jack
Kyle
Luna

This should be good.

Just to be clear. I wrote that post after having a catch up read and as I go back over the game time and time again my perspectives change. After having deep dived through Sloonei's posts I have you back more towards the middle of the pack.

Right now Sloonei, Marmot and Colin are full scumreads with Long Con, Dunya and Luna all scum leans and you and Kyle more null.

Read my case on Sloonei and give me some perspective.

It’s sexy.

I need to think everything over (especially cause I haven’t read the first 12 or so pages yet) but it’s a hell of a start.

[Epignosis]

The so-called Brave are colored in Red, finally.

[Dom]

Catching up.

Hey, Lunalee, I asked you a question about logical fallacies. Did you miss it?

Yep, I missed it. You should tag me when asking a question. You asked about my use of the term logical fallacy? All I meant was that LC's reasoning was erroneous. His vote on Golden should not be dependent on my previous vote on him.

Do you feel like this tells you anything about LC's alignment?

[novaselinenever]

Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

[Golden]

Kites and Lapluie didn't.

Kites posted. Did Lapluie?

Yes

But kites asked for a replacement

Care to help me build perspective on the people in the middle of my rainbow? From Choutas through to Kites. I'd love to hear some reads on that group.

Kyle is nothing like his baddie self in GoC and reminds me of town Kyle from six years ago.

Spacedaisy, nothing bothers me yet, but she’s not easy to read.

I very much find myself agreeing with speedchuck perspective, not just his reads but rationale, and he was a leading voice in questioning the nova train which I think was a good look for him. I have him town.

Choutas I’ll reserve judgment on, but his vote for me was more idealistic than grounded which I don’t love.

The rest are true null reads for me for now.

[Lunalee]

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She's myy wiiiife. *borat voice*

seriously? I had no idea

Yep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:

so then would you rate your level of familiarity with dunya and golden's respective fetas as being generally pretty low?

I'm sort of familiar with dunya's meta. Not so much Golden's.

[Golden]

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She's myy wiiiife. *borat voice*

seriously? I had no idea

Yep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:

so then would you rate your level of familiarity with dunya and golden's respective fetas as being generally pretty low?

I'm sort of familiar with dunya's meta. Not so much Golden's.

Not at all mine yet, I’d say, unless I’m wrong that we haven’t played together before? Or is this a ‘you’ve heard of me’ thing like dunya with dom?

[wolbre04]

Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

I didn't know who I would submit an ability to if I eventually used it because there were several people helping run the game. Jimmy said that I could message him after I asked in pm

[Lunalee]

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She's myy wiiiife. *borat voice*

seriously? I had no idea

Yep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:

so then would you rate your level of familiarity with dunya and golden's respective fetas as being generally pretty low?

I'm sort of familiar with dunya's meta. Not so much Golden's.

Not at all mine yet, I’d say, unless I’m wrong that we haven’t played together before? Or is this a ‘you’ve heard of me’ thing like dunya with dom?

Yep, I don't believe I've played with you before, Golden. I'm only familiar with dunya's meta because we've been in a couple of games together, and I've heard more about her.

[Kylemii]

Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

private chat?

[Lunalee]

BTW, that was a crazy turn of events earlier. I was around until the last half hour before the lynch, and didn't realize sig had any votes. Anyone care to explain what happened? [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] , [mention]Marmot[/mention] , [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] , [mention]Dom[/mention] , [mention]Golden[/mention]

[novaselinenever]

Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

private chat?

Yes.

[novaselinenever]

BTW, that was a crazy turn of events earlier. I was around until the last half hour before the lynch, and didn't realize sig had any votes. Anyone care to explain what happened? @novaselinenever , @Marmot , @M Plus 7 , @Dom , @Golden

He had a good case against him, imo at least.

[wolbre04]

Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

If by private chat you mean the role PM that all of us got, yes.

you're making it seem like I'm in a scum chat by using "private chat"

[novaselinenever]

Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

If by private chat you mean the role PM that all of us got, yes.

you're making it seem like I'm in a scum chat by using "private chat"

lol no, I'm not baiting you or implying that.

I mean the role private conversation. Questions like that can be asked there and it looks like you did.

[Dom]

I don't like the case for nova right now; reading the thread, it looks like it's based on the whole sig thing, but then why wouldn't people just vote sig? Feels weird to me, but sig doesn't seem like scum either. I don't think using hedge words is necessarily a scum tell, I think some people just talk like that (you might notice I say the word "just" about a thousand times a post, for example.) Nothing after that changed my view of him.

I don't think Epignosis is scum right now. I think he doesn't give a shit, but there's a big difference there. I can't support lynching him.

So as far as people who did ping me ... The case against lunalee was interesting. I really don't like the scenario she outlines where Persians conspire on day 1 to lynch dunya, I don't think it's likely and it seems like big buddying. She kind of reminds me of my scum play in FWWM, possibly acting overly friendly as obfuscation. GTH, scum read right now, and that's the best I can go for.

[VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

Hello suspect #1.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.

Hello suspect #2.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]

explanation?

Colin's post, boiled down

"I have a reason not to vote nova and a reason not to vote epi and... err... there's one specific post about sig that isn't bad and then nothing changed my mind... so I'll vote off wagon"

All while sig is one vote behind.

I don't disagree.

Justify your sig vote since you spent the whole day saying you wouldn't do that and then did so because Collin did something suspicious.

And Mac if you’d been here I would have joined you in pushing the thread in another direction. I regret that MP had to leave just when he did. I was trying to catch up and never fully engaged with him in real time, that could have lead to better results.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]

explanation?

Colin's post, boiled down

"I have a reason not to vote nova and a reason not to vote epi and... err... there's one specific post about sig that isn't bad and then nothing changed my mind... so I'll vote off wagon"

All while sig is one vote behind.

Sorry it was Colin, not Scotty. Yes very bad look for Colin.

Agree. I also very much like your sloonei case (suspect #3).

[Dom]

BTW, that was a crazy turn of events earlier. I was around until the last half hour before the lynch, and didn't realize sig had any votes. Anyone care to explain what happened? @novaselinenever , @Marmot , @M Plus 7 , @Dom , @Golden

Going to be honest, here:

My vote for sig was explained ad nauseum. If you really missed it, I suggest looking harder.

[Dom]

This is a good place to start

[Golden]

My suggestion is that we stop talking about Wolbres role question since it’s against the rules and it’s only pushing him into potentially breaking them worse.

He got the answer he needed which was PM jay. He should do that and we should leave the discussion here.

[Golden]

Dom, no offence, but I’m not going to spend any time justifying a shitty snap decision and I’ll give you the same advice you gave Luna.

[MacDougall]

ISO of Scotty, and his mentions of Epignosis.

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Golden’z Sure acting like an independent. Yoloing and supporting other people yoloing. No firm stances against people, only for them.

Yikesarooni. pinged by him rn. No longer drunk. Ready for action.

Anyway, ima vote for someone I haven’t talked about yet. Epi. All he’s got right now is “If”. My response?

Then

vote Epi aubergine

Light-hearted vote for Epignosis.

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which reads has he forced?

Are you asking because you aren’t following what I’m saying or just because picking a fight is interesting?

Which read do you think I mean?

from a tone POV I'm not sure I actually believe she believes what she's saying about him.

MP said this about dunya and I find this interesting since it is virtually identical to the objection I just felt in my conversation with dunya.

So, the question is... to those that know dunya, is this our lack of knowledge of her? Dunya's questions *feel* hollow to me, is this me trying to project dunya onto sloonei or something?

Sloonei, actually, it's possible you are best placed to answer this. Interested in Choutas' view too.

Do you see me saying mp is bad or good?

do you see me saying i think you think mp is bad or good?

Interesting - I think we meant two different things here.

I meant that I had a solid townread when you were going at me as though I was painting him bad.
I think you meant you'd legitimately not made a read on him.

Interesting. Epignosis, he's your witness.

Broken quote where Scotty points out Golden's diction to Epignosis.

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Can you explain your Epi vote? @Golden @Scotty

If

Null response to sig asking about his vote for Epignosis.

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Epi is more than fashionably late at this point

Vote him and see if we can summon him from his casket.

Have the wooden stake ready

Request to TH to vote for Epignosis. No reason given.

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I remain unmoved with my opinion of Epi.

*tap tap*

That’s the sound of my finger on his fishbowl. Do tricks, fish.

Scotty is "unmoved" by Epignosis.

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I remain unmoved with my opinion of Epi.

*tap tap*

That’s the sound of my finger on his fishbowl. Do tricks, fish.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Good trick.

Serious question though, what do you think of scotty's response to Colin earlier this page?

The real question you should be asking is: what does Epi think about anything this game thus far?

A legitimate concern voiced here.

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Next time I’m bad, I’m going to see if I can get into one of these day 1 dick measuring contests with a teammate to test all of you who are sure you can sus out when these things are scripted.

lol

I’m seeing a civ-civ altercation with Dom and sig

In 500 words or fewer please explain your answer. Guiding questions might be: "Why did sig vote for Dom?" "Why did sig stop voting for Dom?" "Why did sig personally attack Dom, repeatedly?" "What did sig hope to accomplish by the post Dom has bemoaned?"


Thank you for your time.

This is where I write my name on my test, calmly take out a pack of gum, look around absently to the other students in class, clear my throat, pop some gum in, stare at nothing on my desk and then methodically get up with blank test in hand, place it on the teacher’s desk, quietly exclaim that I had a great semester and about face to go decompress into a box of fries

v funny
but like
pls substantiate ur claim for me?

I can’t really defend sig. he’s talking in his own language. I’m choosing to ignore the subject matter of your clash because I believe that what you both are perceiving as personal attacks is just miscommunication. He doesn’t agree with the dunya thing and thinks you brought it up when you don’t believe it to be true.

dog is also defending Epi right now to a large extent and if they are teammates then that’s bogus.

Calls Dom out for defending sig.

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Why is it so hard to lynch Epi in general? His reputation precedes him and he tends to have people touring his perceived meta as a civ. I’m scrapping pretenses and I don’t find his input today civ-leaning. It’s sporatic, like my girlfriend digging through a new bag of Trail Mix for the M&M’s and leaving me the nut crap

Asks why Epignosis is hard to lynch, and offers a sincere lament at Epignosis survivability.

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In dunya’s defense, she probably made as many reads as she could on the surface level before departing for places unknown (Paris?)

Yeah honestly I'd rather give her the BOTD and find a better suspect for today. I want to catch up and talk with her in real time. We'll see.

What are your thoughts, Scotty? Where would you recommend I consider voting?

Wherever you want dude, it’s a free market.

Check out lunalee and tell me if you’re seeing what I see. Her iso ain’t long.

Epi and to an extent, LC, are the ones that were continuing to push the dunya Dom scumslip. I don’t think Epi looks town right now.

Pushes the Epignosis vote when asked by another MP7.




Addendum: My assumption was that Scotty is looking to push some folks into the spotlight for tomorrow's lynch that don't deserve it. But that might not be true. I find Scotty's Epignosis suspicion and growth thereof to be believable.

What I don't understand is Scotty's behavior post-lynch. A lot of self-righteousness for someone who doesn't know if he's actually right. That's what smells bad to me, and what made me look back through his Epignosis commentary.
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Scotty did nothing wrong. If anything pushing Epi is civvie because Epi is a tough nut and was intentionally playing goofy. Probably was even doing it to see who would lay into him for civ clues. You're bad.

[Golden]

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I don't like the case for nova right now; reading the thread, it looks like it's based on the whole sig thing, but then why wouldn't people just vote sig? Feels weird to me, but sig doesn't seem like scum either. I don't think using hedge words is necessarily a scum tell, I think some people just talk like that (you might notice I say the word "just" about a thousand times a post, for example.) Nothing after that changed my view of him.

I don't think Epignosis is scum right now. I think he doesn't give a shit, but there's a big difference there. I can't support lynching him.

So as far as people who did ping me ... The case against lunalee was interesting. I really don't like the scenario she outlines where Persians conspire on day 1 to lynch dunya, I don't think it's likely and it seems like big buddying. She kind of reminds me of my scum play in FWWM, possibly acting overly friendly as obfuscation. GTH, scum read right now, and that's the best I can go for.

[VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

Hello suspect #1.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.

Hello suspect #2.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]

explanation?

Colin's post, boiled down

"I have a reason not to vote nova and a reason not to vote epi and... err... there's one specific post about sig that isn't bad and then nothing changed my mind... so I'll vote off wagon"

All while sig is one vote behind.

I don't disagree.

Justify your sig vote since you spent the whole day saying you wouldn't do that and then did so because Collin did something suspicious.

And Mac if you’d been here I would have joined you in pushing the thread in another direction. I regret that MP had to leave just when he did. I was trying to catch up and never fully engaged with him in real time, that could have lead to better results.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]

explanation?

Colin's post, boiled down

"I have a reason not to vote nova and a reason not to vote epi and... err... there's one specific post about sig that isn't bad and then nothing changed my mind... so I'll vote off wagon"

All while sig is one vote behind.

Sorry it was Colin, not Scotty. Yes very bad look for Colin.

Agree. I also very much like your sloonei case (suspect #3).

BTW dom, if this post reflects your thoughts generally, I suggest you check my iso, because suspecting me doesn't logically fit with any of your other opinions here.

[Kylemii]

private chat?

Yes.

i've just never heard of anyone referring to private messages as private chat b4

[Dom]

Dom, no offence, but I’m not going to spend any time justifying a shitty snap decision and I’ll give you the same advice you gave Luna.

I did. And I feel like you have some explaining to do. And you can't just say, "no".

Here you say that you'll vote for Epi or sig.
I missed this and it makes me feel better, but I still want an answer to this question:

Why did Colin's actions prompt you to vote sig? Did you not put the cart before the horse here?

[Golden]

I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

[Dom]

I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

I don't think so either.

That's not my case. That's not my thoughts.

I don't understand why Colin's post prompted you to vote for sig.

[Golden]

The dumb thing for me, dom, is that I shouldn't have had sig on the table. I got a bit caught up in MP's dogpee enthusiasm and I shouldn't have. For me, the names on the table that I actually felt bad about today were Sloonei, LC and Jack with a side helping of Epi (but not an overly convinced one). So I don't even know why I added sig to the pile, it went against my own gut.

[Golden]

I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

I don't think so either.

That's not my case. That's not my thoughts.

I don't understand why Colin's post prompted you to vote for sig.

This post literally gave you the answer.

[Dom]

I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

I don't think so either.

That's not my case. That's not my thoughts.

I don't understand why Colin's post prompted you to vote for sig.

This post literally gave you the answer.

Then I'm not sure I understand.

[Golden]

I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

I don't think so either.

That's not my case. That's not my thoughts.

I don't understand why Colin's post prompted you to vote for sig.

This post literally gave you the answer.

Then I'm not sure I understand.

Clearly, but asking me to continually explain it won't help.

You said didn't I put the cart before the horse.

My answer is YES, because voting the HORSE would achieve nothing, but voting the CART would lynch the cart.

If you're looking for something better than that, you won't find it, because me decision to vote sig was stupid and not well thought through, so you aren't going to find any evidence of it being well thought through.

[Dom]

Marmot's analysis is suspect because he clearly isn't reading the posts he is referencing in any context. He says Scotty "called [me] out for depending sig" when anyone with knowledge of the thread would know I did nothing of the sort.

[Dom]

I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

I don't think so either.

That's not my case. That's not my thoughts.

I don't understand why Colin's post prompted you to vote for sig.

This post literally gave you the answer.

Then I'm not sure I understand.

Clearly, but asking me to continually explain it won't help.

You said didn't I put the cart before the horse.

My answer is YES, because voting the HORSE would achieve nothing, but voting the CART would lynch the cart.

If you're looking for something better than that, you won't find it, because me decision to vote sig was stupid and not well thought through, so you aren't going to find any evidence of it being well thought through.

I don't know why you're getting so testy. I'm trying to understand.

I'm looking to understand you here. To be clear, you voted for sig because Colin wasn't an option?

[Golden]

I couldn't vote the horse, it would have simply led to a three-way tie. The horse wasn't on the table, the cart was.

It doesn't clear Colin that sig was good.

I don't think so either.

That's not my case. That's not my thoughts.

I don't understand why Colin's post prompted you to vote for sig.

This post literally gave you the answer.

Then I'm not sure I understand.

Clearly, but asking me to continually explain it won't help.

You said didn't I put the cart before the horse.

My answer is YES, because voting the HORSE would achieve nothing, but voting the CART would lynch the cart.

If you're looking for something better than that, you won't find it, because me decision to vote sig was stupid and not well thought through, so you aren't going to find any evidence of it being well thought through.

I don't know why you're getting so testy. I'm trying to understand.

I'm looking to understand you here. To be clear, you voted for sig because Colin wasn't an option?

I didn't vote Colin because Colin wasn't an option, and Colin's post pushed me over the edge on choosing sig over Epi.

[Dom]

And again, to be clear: Colin wasn't an option because your objective was to break the tie?

[Golden]

And again, to be clear: Colin wasn't an option because your objective was to break the tie?

My objective is always to vote somewhere it can make a difference. I don't think there is ever any value in town voting off wagon, no matter how much you might think every wagon is civ. I don't care about breaking the tie - I'd have voted my biggest suspect of the three even if it created a tie.

[Dom]

I will think on that. Thank you.

[lapluie]

I dont like yellow [mention]MacDougall[/mention] ugall

[novaselinenever]

I dont like yellow @MacDougall ugall

Is that all you have to say ?