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Should U-Pick be an annual special game?

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Bop it.

Shout it.

Fuck I forgot to bop it

Bop it.
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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Spacedaisy wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 8:00 pm I am troubled by kites asking to be NKed. If Kites were civ, this seems less likely to be a civ power. Most civs who need to die are a village idiot type role where they need to get lynched to activate some ability or win con or whatever.

If I were civ, I would town it up if I were Kites and try to draw the baddie kill that way, instead of asking for it. Asking for it makes the baddies less likely to kill them, because why make a civ (or even a possible opposing mafia team member) more powerful?

@Kites can you tell me why you went about it this way please?
i need to die n1 and i am just incapable of posting solid content and being a threat to mafia in the early game + the odds of me being nightkilled next night in a game this big are so small Im simply just asking for it. and yeah i gain sort of an ability, it’s not a win con cos im a civ. It doesn’t harm my attacker either because i would keep this whole thing a secret then
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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spacedaisy says she'd just "town it up" like it's some light switch she can flick :ponder:

when i try to "town it up" jack rips off my left testicle.
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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Quin wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 12:48 am spacedaisy says she'd just "town it up" like it's some light switch she can flick :ponder:

when i try to "town it up" jack rips off my left testicle.
I hope that's not his win con.
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[mention]Kites[/mention] I don't have that ability I'm afraid.
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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Quin wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 12:48 am spacedaisy says she'd just "town it up" like it's some light switch she can flick :ponder:

when i try to "town it up" jack rips off my left testicle.
Look as dunya was talking about Golden and Jay and assigning purpose and emotions to their posts, I was thinking, I don't play that way as mafia. I doubt many of us actually do. When I am mafia, I play to emulate my town meta as much as possible. If I see something suspect, I won't ignore it. I killed it in Lost Again: Season 2, and in that game Sorsha's early play was super baddie looking imo, and I coudln't ignore it. I was one of the few that called her on it early. Not because I was trying to bus a teammate but because, when my gut says something about someone's play I say what I'm thinking. It's what killed me in Fiddler, I came in hard playing my gut, without realizing the team I came onto set Jay up to look bad. I wasnt even told until late in the day. So here I was playing like my town self and it got me killed later. I don't phrase things with the purpose of framing someone's intent in a certain light, or with a certain emotion attached or to get a certain emotional response. So when I say town tit up, I mean that I would post like crazy and scum hunt hard for better or worse. Call out shit that I see. That is how I play, regardless of alignment. And I would turn that up a notch even if I was looking to get NKed to activate a power on N1. I would be shaking every tree I could think of and generating as much discussion as I could. Maybe it is a light switch, I don't know. I feel like I rarely get lynched as a abddie for any real baddie tell, usually it's something people interpret badly that I would have said either as a civ or as a baddie. Or else it's PoE. :shrug:
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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Spacedaisy wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 8:34 pm Barring some major change in the game, I think I'm going to vote for either kites or Kenway today. Unless Kenway comes in and engages. Then I will likely vote Kites.
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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Quin wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 12:48 am spacedaisy says she'd just "town it up" like it's some light switch she can flick :ponder:

when i try to "town it up" jack rips off my left testicle.
When's the last time that happened?
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 1:23 am
Quin wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 12:48 am spacedaisy says she'd just "town it up" like it's some light switch she can flick :ponder:

when i try to "town it up" jack rips off my left testicle.
When's the last time that happened?
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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[mention]Kites[/mention] do you die when killed
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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wolbre04 wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 8:38 pm
sig wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 6:32 pm
novaselinenever wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 5:52 pm
sig wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 5:43 pm Wolbre is gut bad and is weird lets lynch 7him.
What about is boob quest?
No clue what that is tbh
Sig if you're still on page 3 I would suggest that you catch up because I think everyone is aware of my boobquest. I'm not a mafia role ffs and idk why you always scum read me :meany:
Sig also does this as mafia. He literally went after me one game on our home forum for several day phases and eventually flipped scum in a lynch.
I isoed you, all i see is you messing around no proof one way or another if its real or a gimmick.

Nice omgus though.
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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Quin wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 9:52 pm also i just remembered that i'm supposed to be very good at reading elohcin so i'm making my day 1 claim that she's town
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Marmot wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 3:38 pmWhere I live, going out for drinks is synonymous with having good times as friends. Kyle will you be my friend?
I'm.... Not gonna agree to anything involving consumption, at least not without more details. For all I know your role is "Wifom" and if I say yes there's a 50% chance I'll die or something.
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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Kylemii wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 1:50 am
Quin wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 9:52 pm also i just remembered that i'm supposed to be very good at reading elohcin so i'm making my day 1 claim that she's town
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In exchange for the promise of beetroot, I may.
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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Quin wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:04 am
Kylemii wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 1:50 am
Quin wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 9:52 pm also i just remembered that i'm supposed to be very good at reading elohcin so i'm making my day 1 claim that she's town
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In exchange for the promise of beetroot, I may.
im fresh out of beetroot. :( what about in exchange for an exciting minigame
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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I don't think beets are supposed to even go inside of a salad roll? how would that even work, they'd slide right out
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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Kylemii wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:09 am
Quin wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:04 am
Kylemii wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 1:50 am
Quin wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 9:52 pm also i just remembered that i'm supposed to be very good at reading elohcin so i'm making my day 1 claim that she's town
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In exchange for the promise of beetroot, I may.
im fresh out of beetroot. :( what about in exchange for an exciting minigame
Don't worry. You will surely be able to find some.
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Quin wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:10 am
Kylemii wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:09 am
Quin wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:04 am
Kylemii wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 1:50 am
Quin wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 9:52 pm also i just remembered that i'm supposed to be very good at reading elohcin so i'm making my day 1 claim that she's town
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In exchange for the promise of beetroot, I may.
im fresh out of beetroot. :( what about in exchange for an exciting minigame
Don't worry. You will surely be able to find some.
oh man is there a hidden map mechanic too? we have to find the treasure aka secret ingredients?

I move to square D3 :smoky:
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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is everyone high
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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[mention]Quin[/mention] is your read on eloh based on anything she's done or said or is it just a hunch
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Kylemii wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:19 am is everyone high
Canapés, man, that's all I can think about these days
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[mention]Quin[/mention] sup I think you're town. you think eloh is town. I think eloh is bad. you think I am...?

(the correct answer is a delicious brunch food)
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nutella wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:20 am
Kylemii wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:19 am is everyone high
Canapés, man, that's all I can think about these days
more like..... cannabés
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Kylemii wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:22 am
nutella wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:20 am
Kylemii wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:19 am is everyone high
Canapés, man, that's all I can think about these days
more like..... cannabés
it's about ethics in gaming journalism
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I'm actually not high as it happens but I am making meringues :cloud9:
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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Kylemii wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:20 am @Quin is your read on eloh based on anything she's done or said or is it just a hunch
Elohcin wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 7:19 pm
nutella wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 4:57 pm Hot take Eloh is bad kkbye
Not too sure if I comprehend this post correctly. But if nutella is saying I am bad, I don't care. She always sees me as bad so it means nothing to me.
An Eloh telling someone to kiss her ass is an Eloh I enjoy.

Also Eloh's ISO link on the OP doesn't work.
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nutella wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:22 am @Quin sup I think you're town. you think eloh is town. I think eloh is bad. you think I am...?

(the correct answer is a delicious brunch food)
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Quin wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:24 am An Eloh telling someone to kiss her ass is an Eloh I enjoy.
A Quin who enjoys Eloh telling him to kiss her ass might not be a Quin that Epi enjoys. :slick:
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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nutella wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:26 am
Quin wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 2:24 am An Eloh telling someone to kiss her ass is an Eloh I enjoy.
A Quin who enjoys Eloh telling him to kiss her ass might not be a Quin that Epi enjoys. :slick:
I'm an ass-kicker, not an ass-kisser.
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I'd concurs eloh seems towny at the moment.
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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Daidy looks pretty good except for the one post where she's talking about who to vote for.

The idea of voting for kenway for not being engaged or kites for wanting to die are very basic moves something that i could see mafia trying to do day 1 to avoid suspicion and have an easily justifiable vote.
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 5:40 pm
dunya wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 5:51 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu May 17, 2018 9:18 pm
dunya wrote: Thu May 17, 2018 9:07 pm i'm breaking my own rule. i will not discuss this ridiculous theory again for the rest of day 1.
What did Golden accuse you of?
"trying to control the narrative."
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Golden, do you think in a game of role madness we'd have someone who could investigate me and see i'm civ-aligned right? you'd think after all the shit I did till now, I'd be a pretty good target for someone with an investigative ability. do you really want to lynch a civ-dunya on day 1 without giving me a chance?
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Lc seems really lighthearted this game, usually civ or mafia i get an almost sinister vibe from his posts lile he's scheming to blow up new york or paris from his evil underground lair located somewhere either under the sea or vermont since nobody would look for an evil lair there.

I'd peg him as a 3p or light civ right now.
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Cant be mad at [mention]Marmot[/mention]'s vote. he's just too damn cute. damn gifs.
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dunya wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:26 am Golden, do you think in a game of role madness we'd have someone who could investigate me and see i'm civ-aligned right? you'd think after all the shit I did till now, I'd be a pretty good target for someone with an investigative ability. do you really want to lynch a civ-dunya on day 1 without giving me a chance?
Hate the cop check argument, you could have a role that checks green regardless/teammates role or any amount of other night actions could mess with the cops ability.

I'm curious though there doesn't seem to be a movement to lynch you and you've only got one vote, why are you dealing in this type of what if scenario?
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so i read up. here's where my new head is at:

Golden is civ tinfoiling cos I flipped scum and he doesn't deal with people giving him emotion to his robotic voice well. actually, the reason I discredit Golden from being scum is that he's playing a pretty lousy scumgame to not ping me if he was scum. he's just so focused on me, it's uncanny. does he usually tunnel like this? he says i want him off my back to get rid of the heat: nah. idc. I'd feel differently if I was scum, but since this is a case of omgussing that turned into "she said he said", i'm gonna give him a civ-read or at the most he's s/a.

i think spacedaisy is scum and here's why: she's defending every post she makes with really wordy and thought-out explanations. it just feels like someone trying to justify every move and show people why she is doing what she's doing and why she's civ, like she has to. i do that sometimes when i'm scum (justifying my actions before i have to or immediately when someone asks me something about it). i don't do it as a civ because my thoughts don't need justification.
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sig wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:29 am
dunya wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:26 am Golden, do you think in a game of role madness we'd have someone who could investigate me and see i'm civ-aligned right? you'd think after all the shit I did till now, I'd be a pretty good target for someone with an investigative ability. do you really want to lynch a civ-dunya on day 1 without giving me a chance?
Hate the cop check argument, you could have a role that checks green regardless/teammates role or any amount of other night actions could mess with the cops ability.

I'm curious though there doesn't seem to be a movement to lynch you and you've only got one vote, why are you dealing in this type of what if scenario?
first of all: i have 2 votes on me. second of all: maybe you haven't read the thread to get a feel of the "dunya vs golden vs jay" argument. third of all: is your name golden? :meany: this discussion is only meant for golden, k? me and him have a thing going on. i'm going to get to the bottom of it if it's the last thing i do.
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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dunya wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:34 am so i read up. here's where my new head is at:

Golden is civ tinfoiling cos I flipped scum and he doesn't deal with people giving him emotion to his robotic voice well. actually, the reason I discredit Golden from being scum is that he's playing a pretty lousy scumgame to not ping me if he was scum. he's just so focused on me, it's uncanny. does he usually tunnel like this? he says i want him off my back to get rid of the heat: nah. idc. I'd feel differently if I was scum, but since this is a case of omgussing that turned into "she said he said", i'm gonna give him a civ-read or at the most he's s/a.

i think spacedaisy is scum and here's why: she's defending every post she makes with really wordy and thought-out explanations. it just feels like someone trying to justify every move and show people why she is doing what she's doing and why she's civ, like she has to. i do that sometimes when i'm scum (justifying my actions before i have to or immediately when someone asks me something about it). i don't do it as a civ because my thoughts don't need justification.
add on before someone says something witty: i do it as suspected civ, because then my thoughts do need justification.

don't think anyone's suspected daisy yet...
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dunya wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:34 am so i read up. here's where my new head is at:

Golden is civ tinfoiling cos I flipped scum and he doesn't deal with people giving him emotion to his robotic voice well. actually, the reason I discredit Golden from being scum is that he's playing a pretty lousy scumgame to not ping me if he was scum. he's just so focused on me, it's uncanny. does he usually tunnel like this? he says i want him off my back to get rid of the heat: nah. idc. I'd feel differently if I was scum, but since this is a case of omgussing that turned into "she said he said", i'm gonna give him a civ-read or at the most he's s/a.

i think spacedaisy is scum and here's why: she's defending every post she makes with really wordy and thought-out explanations. it just feels like someone trying to justify every move and show people why she is doing what she's doing and why she's civ, like she has to. i do that sometimes when i'm scum (justifying my actions before i have to or immediately when someone asks me something about it). i don't do it as a civ because my thoughts don't need justification.
I can't give you a specific game I'm pulling this from, but I feel like Daisy's done this before - though I don't remember her alignment. Maybe she'll pull an example for me.
Lunalee wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
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and i still think eloh is bad. if scotty is going to lynch non-contributors, i'd like to see a lynch eloh movement too cos she self-admits she won't read the thread. she's done this several times as a baddie and while i love eloh like the stars love the moon, i don't wanna be outplayed by a lurky eloh who makes the same self-justification of not knowing what's happening and that we post too much and she can't keep up. :p
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ASOUE is where I always go when I want to compare civ vs bad Eloh. Tell me what you think, dunya.
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dunya wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:36 am
sig wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:29 am
dunya wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:26 am Golden, do you think in a game of role madness we'd have someone who could investigate me and see i'm civ-aligned right? you'd think after all the shit I did till now, I'd be a pretty good target for someone with an investigative ability. do you really want to lynch a civ-dunya on day 1 without giving me a chance?
Hate the cop check argument, you could have a role that checks green regardless/teammates role or any amount of other night actions could mess with the cops ability.

I'm curious though there doesn't seem to be a movement to lynch you and you've only got one vote, why are you dealing in this type of what if scenario?
first of all: i have 2 votes on me. second of all: maybe you haven't read the thread to get a feel of the "dunya vs golden vs jay" argument. third of all: is your name golden? :meany: this discussion is only meant for golden, k? me and him have a thing going on. i'm going to get to the bottom of it if it's the last thing i do.
I may be golden you don't know my role card ;)

Also i have it strikes me as more high poster dick slinging nothing more. Also i feel with all discussion if people have thoughts they should weight in regardless if the people involved want them to.
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the fact lilefer has disappeared into nothingness after we voiced suspicion on him also does nothing to sway me off him. people gotta post more for reads to develop. otherwise you're doing your team (whether civ or scum) a disservice.
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Re: U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Day 1

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sig wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:46 am
dunya wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:36 am
sig wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:29 am
dunya wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:26 am Golden, do you think in a game of role madness we'd have someone who could investigate me and see i'm civ-aligned right? you'd think after all the shit I did till now, I'd be a pretty good target for someone with an investigative ability. do you really want to lynch a civ-dunya on day 1 without giving me a chance?
Hate the cop check argument, you could have a role that checks green regardless/teammates role or any amount of other night actions could mess with the cops ability.

I'm curious though there doesn't seem to be a movement to lynch you and you've only got one vote, why are you dealing in this type of what if scenario?
first of all: i have 2 votes on me. second of all: maybe you haven't read the thread to get a feel of the "dunya vs golden vs jay" argument. third of all: is your name golden? :meany: this discussion is only meant for golden, k? me and him have a thing going on. i'm going to get to the bottom of it if it's the last thing i do.
I may be golden you don't know my role card ;)

Also i have it strikes me as more high poster dick slinging nothing more. Also i feel with all discussion if people have thoughts they should weight in regardless if the people involved want them to.
that's gross and sexist; I don't have a dick.
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Quin wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:45 am ASOUE is where I always go when I want to compare civ vs bad Eloh. Tell me what you think, dunya.
was eloh bad or good?
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dunya wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:48 am
Quin wrote: Sat May 19, 2018 4:45 am ASOUE is where I always go when I want to compare civ vs bad Eloh. Tell me what you think, dunya.
was eloh bad or good?
bad, but with two scum teams. So, appropriate.
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For coining the phrase "High poster dick slinging" Sig receives 1 Big Mac Meal and I am drafting that phrase into my vocabulary.
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