DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Infected_alien8_]

Also Jay can you walk me through your flip on Mac exactly?

It's difficult to describe without telling the full tale of the history of MacDougall and JaggedJimmyJay in Mafia games (a tale stretching back about seven years now), but I will try to be brief:

Mac has a pretty keen understanding of the things that I look for and the strategies that I favor when I am a civilian, certainly better than most. Indeed, he has said more than once as a mafioso that his primary strategic objective was to fool me, because where I go the game tends to follow. A recent example can be seen in the side mission Assassination Classroom, a game which may have been my worst ever and simultaneously one of Mac's best on The Syndicate. He deserves a ton of credit for that. When my reads are shite and/or my strategic motions aren't leading me somewhere productive while Mac is not aligned with me, I have every expectation that he'd want to capitalize on that. He has said himself in this game that when my eye of suspicion falls upon players, their lifespans shorten:

I said he didn't know what my stance is, not that he wouldn't like it. I did say "and you hate it", meaning he hates not knowing, because I'm an asshole.

I will reiterate that the only thing I hate is that you have a scum read on me. The logistics of it do not affect my emotions. There are certain players that when their eye turns towards you, your lifespan in the game immediately becomes shorter so forgive me for being immediately in fight or flight mode under duress from you.

And if he knows my eye of suspicion is pointed in the wrong direction, he will attempt to reap the benefits. So I return to this post:

I at least agree with the first sentence here. I still have suspicions of sprityo, but don't care to see any single player dominating this poll right now. Competing wagons facilitate the best construction of data.

I agree, but I also am not used to seeing it play out.

Jay here's a proposition for you before you bounce.

In my opinion we have a larger than normal volume of active participation in this game. In my view active participation is good because it forces the scum to continue to refine their perspectives which eventually leads to a collapse in logic that's visible, sooner. Basically "they can't hide forever".

With that in mind, I am very tempted to lead us towards removing the lower participants sooner so that we can maintain this high level of participation and remove those who are not giving us the ability to leverage the aforementioned perspective. ie. Marmot, Dharmahelper and to a lesser extent Colin and Turnip Head.

and the follow-up directed against Turnip head, I find myself narrowing my gaze. The rationale for lynching Turnip Head looks like shit to me. Mac expects a red flip, and thinks that red flip will clear a bunch of people. The reasons he provided for those clears are weak. The more important problem is that if Turnip Head flips civilian, the promise of information is nill, and Mac doesn't care. So, the entire exercise looks bogus to me.

And I have to note that when he brought up the idea in the first place, he specifically brought it to my attention. This is important because in recent memory I have tended to favor POE lynches of this variety on Day 1 instead of the larger cases against larger contributors, because I don't believe civilians are good enough (any of them) to make effective Day 1 cases against active players on a consistent basis. Mac is well aware of my tendencies, and probably expects that I'd be willing to accept a Turnip Head lynch purely for POE. In many games he wouldn't be wrong about that.

If Turnip Head gets lynched though based upon a MacDougall and JaggedJimmyJay-driven charge, but then flips civilian -- which of the two of us takes more shit for it? It'd probably be me, because I'm the louder player and I draw tinfoil like turds draw flies. This is a scenario Mac would like to create.

I recognize the tinfoil nature of all this, as a lot of pieces have to come together for it to be sensible. I probably don't care about the idea for most players, but with MacDougall I am hyper-aware.

Alright, thanks. That actually does make a lot of sense to me. The fact he didn't seem bothered by turnip's potential Town slip is concerning, I asked him about it earlier but I think I'm still waiting for a response.

When is the deadline by the way? If it's soon I'm not sure I'm going to be able to catch up

What town slip?

town flip* sorry, lol

What about turnip made you think he was more likely Mafia than not, to want to lynch him based off of the results you'd get if he flipped Mafia?

At the time Turnip Head was in a list of players who I deemed as underperforming as far as their general standard is concerned. Of the players in that list I had the least reason to give him a pass on it. Of the players that remained his flip would leave the most in thread connections based on what I could observe. That was literally it. I am shocked and appalled that this clearly town-leaning reasoning near got me lynched and I put the blame squarely at the feet of Golden.

What info did you expect to get if he flipped Town?

[Tangrowth]

abyssum,

I looked back at your reads list. I see what you are referring to. You provide in a few cases a distinct "points in favor" and "points against" blurb to qualify your reads. I don't think this is quite the same thing as writing a blurb to explain a read which contains the word "but" twelve times, each followed by a new disclaimer discounting the previous. Your point is acknowledged though. It's a fine line.

thanks for responding & giving an explanation on why you think they're distinct (& also just taking the time to give weight to my question lol)

Dana Scully doesn't ask questions unless they are important to the case!

This was well said

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Here's another person that liked the post you said sucked Jay!

I still think it's horseshit that you'd clear DharmaHelper and sprityo based upon "my spirit animal" and "DH is town".

You think that I am incapable of seeing a simple post and making a tone read on it with strong conviction?

Do you actually not know how I play at all?

Not the strength of convinction that would be needed for the strategy you proposed to make sense. If and only if Turnip Head flips mafia, you then have a couple little moments which for some time might move you, and then the entire game continues to proceed onward, the players in question continue to make posts, and your reads adapt with the times. If you're asking me whether I believe you'd lock them in for the rest of the game, my answer is no.

[sprityo]

This post in which mac goes through individually his options he put forth for an information lynch, he backs up how that will benefit the town as a whole and I thought that looked good on him

Do you think we should follow the advice he laid out in that post?

I think its a valid option, and technically appeals to me through mac’s eyes.

However, it can, and could very well be an easy way to get pressure off himself. In where mac thought he could get an easy lynch out of me, he was met with resistance and now has to backtrack to another lynch. Only this time he adds understandable reasons it’s to lynch XYZ unlike previously.

Hey look he is doing that thing that Russ said made Alien bad!!!

Oh man I’m gonna have a field day when I actually get to read that damn ISO

[Infected_alien8_]

When is the deadline by the way? If it's soon I'm not sure I'm going to be able to catch up

It's in about 3.5 hours. You can see the exact time at the top of the poll, as long as you have your time zone set correctly.

Oh, thank you

[Tangrowth]

I'd vote Jay for luring my into playing this game when I should be doing other things.

We should all be doing other things. It's a hell of a world out there, and we're sitting here in this damned thing.

Because we love it.

Also yeah this x 9001

And I love all of you guys.

[Tangrowth]

I'm also caught up.

Everyone is town.

Lynch the contestants.

Marmot is scum

[abyssum]

Spoiler: show

Mac’s recent posts have softened my image on him. I think he’s actually playing to something I can agree and work with.

Note to self to go back and read Russ’ alien iso

sprityo I need to know what inspired this turn on Mac.

He stopped being self centered and looked outside himself, providing a better reasoning to his reads and interacting with other players.

does self-centered naturally follow to somebody being mafia to you, or is this a question of playstyle compatibility for you?

It’s not that, it was the matter of not contributing to the thread outside of the people who in any aspect poked at him. The moment mac started contributing to the overall well being of the thread I started to reconsider if maybe I jumped the gun on him

there's a difference between "not contributing" (not posting game-relevant information or attempting to solve) and "not contributing to the overall well being of the thread" (this is more about thread health and is less AI from my perspective). which one are you referring to here? because the distinction is important

if it's the first one then oh boy do we have some disagreements about Mac's play so far.

You’ve lost me, can you explain the differences better?

yeah, sorry. this is how i interpret the two:

not contributing=not making any attempts to solve the game, make comments on it, offer opinions, generate content, etc. could be lurking, could be avoiding offering takes on any situations, could be posting only fluffy spammy content.

not contributing to the overall well being of the thread=not trying to boost thread mood/morale, not rallying other players, posting toxic or overly distracting content (not necessarily all of these, but that's the basic idea).

which one are you trying to say is going on with Mac's earlier posts and then changed?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This post in which mac goes through individually his options he put forth for an information lynch, he backs up how that will benefit the town as a whole and I thought that looked good on him

Do you think we should follow the advice he laid out in that post?

I think its a valid option, and technically appeals to me through mac’s eyes.

However, it can, and could very well be an easy way to get pressure off himself. In where mac thought he could get an easy lynch out of me, he was met with resistance and now has to backtrack to another lynch. Only this time he adds understandable reasons it’s to lynch XYZ unlike previously.

You don't think Mac provided understandable reasons to lynch you the first time around?

[sprityo]

Now, I need the rest of the thread's help. Sanity check: am I insane for thinking there's no good reason to point out a scumslip, waffle on it, and then say you never thought it was a scumslip in the first place? Is Alien just asking lots of questions because he's super friendly, has just it it off with JJJ organically, and waffling on reads because he's new and doesn't know anyone? Does he truly suspect MP is mafia?

I think the answers to all these are a resounding NO. It makes sense to me that he's been caught trying to push a lynch with no accountability, that he's being really nice to JJJ (and polite to the thread in general) in order to curry favor, that he's waffling so as not to be pinned to a bad suspicion, and that he threw out a (first post!) garbage case on MP because that was the one person he knows and he knew roughly what reaction he'd get. However, if my case is weak and/or I'm tunneling, I want to hear about it and have it out now.

Linki: Thanks, MP. And yeah, I didn't include it in my case except to quote JJJ, but he's right - having you as his sole suspicion is nuts imo.

LOL DH good memories. And MP, Goldfuss FTW!!!

Great work on the wall but I'm gonna have to nope you pretty hard here.

You are picking how to interpret his words to suit your read. He did say in the first place that it looked like it could be a slip. He did then refer to it as "the slip" which I am not going to hold against him because I'm not going to force him to refer to it as "the slip that could have been" every time when we all know what he means when he says "the slip".

He also did not say that he never thought it was a scumslip in the first place. He said that he never did say that it DEFINITELY was except for when off handedly referring to it. While trying to explain what was an offhand remark.

So that he didn't do the third part of what you are accusing him of, leaves just the former two. Is there a good reason for pointing out what looks like it might be a scumslip (but can also be town explained). Yes. If you notice something weird as town you point it out and let the rest of us make judgement. Is there a good reason to waffle on it? Well that's the way you would describe it if you wanted to just not be objective. A better thing to ask would be, is there a good reason to not have a firm stance on it? Well yes, because he's just making an observation on something that pinged him. Did he at some point refer to it as a slip outright, yes. Did he do so while ever adjusting the actual point to mean that he now actually believed it was a slip, no.

So to summarise, I'm not convinced the choice of how he has communicated around this slip thing is not suspicious to me, the behaviour is though.

I am fascinated by the pattern of making statements and then offering the alternate perspective every time. That looks very Mafiaish. This is shown in no greater colour than around the way he both accused me of a slip and also didn't.

I apologise for refuting some of your argument and yet agreeing but I think it is important that you are held to a high standard lest we just allow you to get away with a mislynch because you made a wall. Which is a pet hate of mine since dating back to a RYM game I was lynched in a Mafia led assault because they made a big effort to make a case.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] there’s still more posts for me to look for but phone quoting is a pain

[sprityo]

This post in which mac goes through individually his options he put forth for an information lynch, he backs up how that will benefit the town as a whole and I thought that looked good on him

Do you think we should follow the advice he laid out in that post?

I think its a valid option, and technically appeals to me through mac’s eyes.

However, it can, and could very well be an easy way to get pressure off himself. In where mac thought he could get an easy lynch out of me, he was met with resistance and now has to backtrack to another lynch. Only this time he adds understandable reasons it’s to lynch XYZ unlike previously.

You don't think Mac provided understandable reasons to lynch you the first time around?

Absolutely, 100%, no.

[Tangrowth]

shoot, i forgot simon is watching this game, i've been saying so many curse words, im sorry

LOL have you heard Epi talk?

We are fucking fine

[MacDougall]

Also Jay can you walk me through your flip on Mac exactly?

It's difficult to describe without telling the full tale of the history of MacDougall and JaggedJimmyJay in Mafia games (a tale stretching back about seven years now), but I will try to be brief:

Mac has a pretty keen understanding of the things that I look for and the strategies that I favor when I am a civilian, certainly better than most. Indeed, he has said more than once as a mafioso that his primary strategic objective was to fool me, because where I go the game tends to follow. A recent example can be seen in the side mission Assassination Classroom, a game which may have been my worst ever and simultaneously one of Mac's best on The Syndicate. He deserves a ton of credit for that. When my reads are shite and/or my strategic motions aren't leading me somewhere productive while Mac is not aligned with me, I have every expectation that he'd want to capitalize on that. He has said himself in this game that when my eye of suspicion falls upon players, their lifespans shorten:

I will reiterate that the only thing I hate is that you have a scum read on me. The logistics of it do not affect my emotions. There are certain players that when their eye turns towards you, your lifespan in the game immediately becomes shorter so forgive me for being immediately in fight or flight mode under duress from you.

And if he knows my eye of suspicion is pointed in the wrong direction, he will attempt to reap the benefits. So I return to this post:

I agree, but I also am not used to seeing it play out.

Jay here's a proposition for you before you bounce.

In my opinion we have a larger than normal volume of active participation in this game. In my view active participation is good because it forces the scum to continue to refine their perspectives which eventually leads to a collapse in logic that's visible, sooner. Basically "they can't hide forever".

With that in mind, I am very tempted to lead us towards removing the lower participants sooner so that we can maintain this high level of participation and remove those who are not giving us the ability to leverage the aforementioned perspective. ie. Marmot, Dharmahelper and to a lesser extent Colin and Turnip Head.

and the follow-up directed against Turnip head, I find myself narrowing my gaze. The rationale for lynching Turnip Head looks like shit to me. Mac expects a red flip, and thinks that red flip will clear a bunch of people. The reasons he provided for those clears are weak. The more important problem is that if Turnip Head flips civilian, the promise of information is nill, and Mac doesn't care. So, the entire exercise looks bogus to me.

And I have to note that when he brought up the idea in the first place, he specifically brought it to my attention. This is important because in recent memory I have tended to favor POE lynches of this variety on Day 1 instead of the larger cases against larger contributors, because I don't believe civilians are good enough (any of them) to make effective Day 1 cases against active players on a consistent basis. Mac is well aware of my tendencies, and probably expects that I'd be willing to accept a Turnip Head lynch purely for POE. In many games he wouldn't be wrong about that.

If Turnip Head gets lynched though based upon a MacDougall and JaggedJimmyJay-driven charge, but then flips civilian -- which of the two of us takes more shit for it? It'd probably be me, because I'm the louder player and I draw tinfoil like turds draw flies. This is a scenario Mac would like to create.

I recognize the tinfoil nature of all this, as a lot of pieces have to come together for it to be sensible. I probably don't care about the idea for most players, but with MacDougall I am hyper-aware.

Alright, thanks. That actually does make a lot of sense to me. The fact he didn't seem bothered by turnip's potential Town slip is concerning, I asked him about it earlier but I think I'm still waiting for a response.

When is the deadline by the way? If it's soon I'm not sure I'm going to be able to catch up

What town slip?

town flip* sorry, lol

What about turnip made you think he was more likely Mafia than not, to want to lynch him based off of the results you'd get if he flipped Mafia?

At the time Turnip Head was in a list of players who I deemed as underperforming as far as their general standard is concerned. Of the players in that list I had the least reason to give him a pass on it. Of the players that remained his flip would leave the most in thread connections based on what I could observe. That was literally it. I am shocked and appalled that this clearly town-leaning reasoning near got me lynched and I put the blame squarely at the feet of Golden.

What info did you expect to get if he flipped Town?

None but a removed player who would have probably got mislynched at a more inopportune moment anyway.

[abyssum]

Mac’s recent posts have softened my image on him. I think he’s actually playing to something I can agree and work with.

Note to self to go back and read Russ’ alien iso

sprityo I need to know what inspired this turn on Mac.

He stopped being self centered and looked outside himself, providing a better reasoning to his reads and interacting with other players.

does self-centered naturally follow to somebody being mafia to you, or is this a question of playstyle compatibility for you?

It’s not that, it was the matter of not contributing to the thread outside of the people who in any aspect poked at him. The moment mac started contributing to the overall well being of the thread I started to reconsider if maybe I jumped the gun on him

there's a difference between "not contributing" (not posting game-relevant information or attempting to solve) and "not contributing to the overall well being of the thread" (this is more about thread health and is less AI from my perspective). which one are you referring to here? because the distinction is important

if it's the first one then oh boy do we have some disagreements about Mac's play so far.

Does that mean you think I'm bad for game health?

i don't think you're bad for game health, i just don't think you seem like the type of player who would be actively rallying people a la MP7. i'm trying to figure out what sprityo is saying about you because i don't really get what they're saying.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Absolutely, 100%, no.

I agreed with him at least in part. What does that say about me?

[sprityo]

Spoiler: show

sprityo I need to know what inspired this turn on Mac.

He stopped being self centered and looked outside himself, providing a better reasoning to his reads and interacting with other players.

does self-centered naturally follow to somebody being mafia to you, or is this a question of playstyle compatibility for you?

It’s not that, it was the matter of not contributing to the thread outside of the people who in any aspect poked at him. The moment mac started contributing to the overall well being of the thread I started to reconsider if maybe I jumped the gun on him

there's a difference between "not contributing" (not posting game-relevant information or attempting to solve) and "not contributing to the overall well being of the thread" (this is more about thread health and is less AI from my perspective). which one are you referring to here? because the distinction is important

if it's the first one then oh boy do we have some disagreements about Mac's play so far.

You’ve lost me, can you explain the differences better?

yeah, sorry. this is how i interpret the two:

not contributing=not making any attempts to solve the game, make comments on it, offer opinions, generate content, etc. could be lurking, could be avoiding offering takes on any situations, could be posting only fluffy spammy content.

not contributing to the overall well being of the thread=not trying to boost thread mood/morale, not rallying other players, posting toxic or overly distracting content (not necessarily all of these, but that's the basic idea).

which one are you trying to say is going on with Mac's earlier posts and then changed?

Oh definitely the latter.

[MacDougall]

Here's another person that liked the post you said sucked Jay!

I still think it's horseshit that you'd clear DharmaHelper and sprityo based upon "my spirit animal" and "DH is town".

You think that I am incapable of seeing a simple post and making a tone read on it with strong conviction?

Do you actually not know how I play at all?

Not the strength of convinction that would be needed for the strategy you proposed to make sense. If and only if Turnip Head flips mafia, you then have a couple little moments which for some time might move you, and then the entire game continues to proceed onward, the players in question continue to make posts, and your reads adapt with the times. If you're asking me whether I believe you'd lock them in for the rest of the game, my answer is no.

Why are you holding me to such a ridiculously high standard. It's like you expect every single thing I am doing on day 0 and day 1 to be foolproof logic and make uncrackable sense. It's not fair.

[sprityo]

Absolutely, 100%, no.

I agreed with him at least in part. What does that say about me?

Point to me where and I can answer your question

[Tangrowth]

@abyssum

Are you around? What are your reads right now? Top lynch candidates? I see you're also on Robot.

i'm semi-around but not entirely. i've been on Robot for a while now; the points that i made in my reads posts about Robot are ones that still stand. unlike you/Alien/Tsaiah(?), i don't have any meta on robot, so i can't offer anything of value there, but i still really dislike them saying that they like kylemii and then saying that they don't mind the wagon. i just cannot imagine that sort of behavior/thought coming from a townie; when i form a read (even a minor/light one) on somebody, i don't then want to hop onto their wagon just because a few other people are.

i know that they said that they didn't see any compelling reason to do so, but the eagerness to the possibility of joining that wagon rubs me the wrong way entirely.

Noted thanks aby!

Not sure why I thought you might have meta lol.

Otherwise yeah that’s the part that bothered me the most too but now that I’m wondering more about it it’s like sooo transparent for a scum strategy?

[MacDougall]

I am not Mafia for being hair brained Jay. Hair brained logic and whacky strategies are not part of my mafia meta.

[Tangrowth]

shoot, i forgot simon is watching this game, i've been saying so many curse words, im sorry

well shit

Dammit aby already did this and better than me

[Tangrowth]

Mario! There's Goombas

[abyssum]

@abyssum

Are you around? What are your reads right now? Top lynch candidates? I see you're also on Robot.

i'm semi-around but not entirely. i've been on Robot for a while now; the points that i made in my reads posts about Robot are ones that still stand. unlike you/Alien/Tsaiah(?), i don't have any meta on robot, so i can't offer anything of value there, but i still really dislike them saying that they like kylemii and then saying that they don't mind the wagon. i just cannot imagine that sort of behavior/thought coming from a townie; when i form a read (even a minor/light one) on somebody, i don't then want to hop onto their wagon just because a few other people are.

i know that they said that they didn't see any compelling reason to do so, but the eagerness to the possibility of joining that wagon rubs me the wrong way entirely.

Noted thanks aby!

Not sure why I thought you might have meta lol.

Otherwise yeah that’s the part that bothered me the most too but now that I’m wondering more about it it’s like sooo transparent for a scum strategy?

it's only too transparent if Robot remembered that they had said that about kylemii, though.

[Tangrowth]

The shitposting this game has been unreal I missed you guys

And the new folks are meshing in perfectly tbh

[MacDougall]

This post in which mac goes through individually his options he put forth for an information lynch, he backs up how that will benefit the town as a whole and I thought that looked good on him

Do you think we should follow the advice he laid out in that post?

I think its a valid option, and technically appeals to me through mac’s eyes.

However, it can, and could very well be an easy way to get pressure off himself. In where mac thought he could get an easy lynch out of me, he was met with resistance and now has to backtrack to another lynch. Only this time he adds understandable reasons it’s to lynch XYZ unlike previously.

You don't think Mac provided understandable reasons to lynch you the first time around?

Absolutely, 100%, no.

What? Yes or no?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Absolutely, 100%, no.

I agreed with him at least in part. What does that say about me?

Point to me where and I can answer your question

Mac states a beef with sprityo

I state my agreement, after having expressed separate concerns

[MacDougall]

Seriously Jay. You are hounding the logic of a whacky strategy of mine. If Sloonei were here he would tell you that is a town tell of mine.

[Tangrowth]

I find it hard to believe that the thread consensus is so focused on me and the new players given we are some of the only players that are actually trying to solve this badboy and you've got sprityo being a hypocrite, DharmaHelper and Turnip Head hardly giving a shit and Marmot not even posting.

Makes you wonder who's really in charge around here.

I might band together with these hot new posters and make a run for team captain I think.

LOL well this is a not bad point

Fuck it let’s just lynch Marmot or Turnip Head

[Russtifinko]

This post in which mac goes through individually his options he put forth for an information lynch, he backs up how that will benefit the town as a whole and I thought that looked good on him

Do you think we should follow the advice he laid out in that post?

I think its a valid option, and technically appeals to me through mac’s eyes.

However, it can, and could very well be an easy way to get pressure off himself. In where mac thought he could get an easy lynch out of me, he was met with resistance and now has to backtrack to another lynch. Only this time he adds understandable reasons it’s to lynch XYZ unlike previously.

Hey look he is doing that thing that Russ said made Alien bad!!!

Hah! Responding to Jay, waffling....got 'im!

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Mac’s recent posts have softened my image on him. I think he’s actually playing to something I can agree and work with.

Note to self to go back and read Russ’ alien iso

sprityo I need to know what inspired this turn on Mac.

He stopped being self centered and looked outside himself, providing a better reasoning to his reads and interacting with other players.

does self-centered naturally follow to somebody being mafia to you, or is this a question of playstyle compatibility for you?

It’s not that, it was the matter of not contributing to the thread outside of the people who in any aspect poked at him. The moment mac started contributing to the overall well being of the thread I started to reconsider if maybe I jumped the gun on him

Hahahaha.

Mate.

Are you going to make me wall post you to death? I really don't want to dedicate the next 30 minutes of my life. You're this close to inexplicably surviving day one sprityo. Keep pretending not to be here and you'll live another day.

See it’s things like this that drive me to insult you. I’m here when I can be. What more do you want?

Ummmm guys

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ummmm guys

The words.

[Tangrowth]

FUCK MY PHONE I WASNT DONE

I was gonna highlight the part that says

What more do you want

... I hardly believe in universal scum tells but isn’t this an actual universal scum tell

[abyssum]

I am not Mafia for being hair brained Jay. Hair brained logic and whacky strategies are not part of my mafia meta.

Mac has written 'whacky' rather than 'wacky' in this sentence. as you all know, 'whack' is often used colloquially to mean to murder or kill (i.e., "He got whacked by the mob"). this is yet another example of a slip in Mac's posting, and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is mafia.

pack it up boys, this one's a done deal

[abyssum]

[mention]sprityo[/mention] do you think that making specific/visible attempts to improve thread health is alignment-dependent rather than player-dependent? lol.

[Kylemii]

shoot, i forgot simon is watching this game, i've been saying so many curse words, im sorry

LOL have you heard Epi talk?

We are fucking fine

i want to be a good influence on the youthes

[abyssum]

FUCK MY PHONE I WASNT DONE

I was gonna highlight the part that says

What more do you want

... I hardly believe in universal scum tells but isn’t this an actual universal scum tell

probably not when it's referring to someone's schedule, MP7

[JaggedJimmyJay]

FUCK MY PHONE I WASNT DONE

I was gonna highlight the part that says

What more do you want

... I hardly believe in universal scum tells but isn’t this an actual universal scum tell

It was presented as such in my tournament Season 2 final game (when I said "what do you want from me?" and got slammed ). To be fair though I have no idea how reliable it really is, and I think I pursued it once on The Syndicate erroneously when INH said something like that.

[MacDougall]

Apologies for being myopic still but I feel like there is still a chance I am getting mislynched here and I want to put it down.

Arguments for Mac being town:

Mac has "flinged his poo" at pretty much everyone at least at some point
Mac has had his customary heated disagreements with every loud player
Mac has tunnelled at least one player
Mac has come up with a whacky strategy
Mac has posted a shit ton
Mac has posted with reckless abandon

Arguments for Mac being scum:

Mac made an imperfect case for why we should lynch a player (The Jay argument)
Mac was too focused on himself (the Sprityo argument)
Mac seems like scum Mac? (More Jay argument)
Mac just don't feel right (the general consensus)

Is that it or did I not make a fair distinction between the two?

[MacDougall]

I would have come close to saying what more do you want from me to Jay at some point in this game. I imagine Jay is capable of making anybody say that.

[Tangrowth]

Guys seriously I love you all but let’s all try to use spoilers when we can

Going through quote walls on phone is literal hell

[Tangrowth]

[mention]Infected_alien8_[/mention]
Yo Alien

Why is your vote still on me

[abyssum]

so i've thought for a while and i've decided that i'm doubling down on my Mac townread, potentially strengthening it, and don't want this lynch to go through. i'll figure out what this means for everyone else's alignments later but my points for townreading him stand and a lot of the reasoning for him being scum is tenuous at best IMO. i'm not following the line of logic in "Mac knows [Jay's] civilian meta so let's be wary and lynch him" because it means essentially nothing for his rand either

[MacDougall]

Mac’s recent posts have softened my image on him. I think he’s actually playing to something I can agree and work with.

Note to self to go back and read Russ’ alien iso

sprityo I need to know what inspired this turn on Mac.

He stopped being self centered and looked outside himself, providing a better reasoning to his reads and interacting with other players.

does self-centered naturally follow to somebody being mafia to you, or is this a question of playstyle compatibility for you?

It’s not that, it was the matter of not contributing to the thread outside of the people who in any aspect poked at him. The moment mac started contributing to the overall well being of the thread I started to reconsider if maybe I jumped the gun on him

Hahahaha.

Mate.

Are you going to make me wall post you to death? I really don't want to dedicate the next 30 minutes of my life. You're this close to inexplicably surviving day one sprityo. Keep pretending not to be here and you'll live another day.

See it’s things like this that drive me to insult you. I’m here when I can be. What more do you want?

I don't mind if you insult me actually. I would consider it bizarre if you didn't.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Friendly memo that all players are strictly forbidden from letting their votes chill on solo wagons through the deadline because it makes them feel cool.

[MacDougall]

so i've thought for a while and i've decided that i'm doubling down on my Mac townread, potentially strengthening it, and don't want this lynch to go through. i'll figure out what this means for everyone else's alignments later but my points for townreading him stand and a lot of the reasoning for him being scum is tenuous at best IMO. i'm not following the line of logic in "Mac knows [Jay's] civilian meta so let's be wary and lynch him" because it means essentially nothing for his rand either

You're now on Team Mac

Team Mac:

MacDougall (Captain)
abyssum

Who else wants to be on Team Mac?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

so i've thought for a while and i've decided that i'm doubling down on my Mac townread, potentially strengthening it, and don't want this lynch to go through. i'll figure out what this means for everyone else's alignments later but my points for townreading him stand and a lot of the reasoning for him being scum is tenuous at best IMO. i'm not following the line of logic in "Mac knows [Jay's] civilian meta so let's be wary and lynch him" because it means essentially nothing for his rand either

That's not my argument! That argument is silly! I made a pretty argument that wasn't silly!

Oh well though, I'm not feeling a Mac lynch either.

[MacDougall]

Hey [mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] your boy sprityo is going to get lynched and if you leave your vote on me through end of day you'll be an easy lynch tomorrow after he flips Mafia so you probably should move that.

[Infected_alien8_]

Ughhh Mac's mindset makes sense but I disagree since I never like to assume people will inevitably be mislynched as a Townie because they can always bring it back, but I don't think it's necessarily alignment-indicative because I know people who favour lynches like that as Town 'they're gonna die inevitably anyway so let's kill them for info', but it is definitely scum compatible and the fact he suggested it to Jay after Jay's story makes me think 'hmm' and that in combination with my earlier points makes me inclined to lean that it's a Mafia sided thing rather than a Town thing (how's this for hedge!)

Can someone give me a run down on the sprito case since it looks like it's him vs me vs mac right now?

I have to go away again now, I'll be back in like an hour I think

[DharmaHelper]

Hey @DharmaHelper your boy sprityo is going to get lynched and if you leave your vote on me through end of day you'll be an easy lynch tomorrow after he flips Mafia so you probably should move that.

Don't tell me what to do bub.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Guys seriously I love you all but let’s all try to use spoilers when we can

Going through quote walls on phone is literal hell

Fully quoting wall posts or huge quote pyramids is actually against the law. I don't know why people here seem to have no fear of the police.